Democrats Want To Kill The Electoral College Because They Fear The Constitution
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The United States isn’t a “democracy.” Though every American should have learned this fact in high school civics class, the smart-set still like to ridicule people who point it out–such a cliché, and all.
Today, we see why the Left worked to convince Americans that majoritarianism was a profound moral good. And it’s not just that America is going through another silly debate about the suddenly inconvenient Electoral College; it’s that Democrats are increasingly comfortable attacking foundational ideas of American governance.
Most of the founders believed that a diffused democracy weakened the ability of politicians to scaremonger and rely on emotional appeals to take power. Most of them believed that proportional voting blunted the vagaries of the electorate and helped ensure national stability. Contemporary Democrats agree, which is why they want to scrap the system. So much for protecting norms.
Now that they believe they have the numbers, Democrats prefer a system where politicians who promise the most free stuff to the largest number of people win. Since they can’t admit it, we have to wrestle with preposterous arguments in favor of overturning the Electoral College. The most absurd is the notion that in a direct democracy every vote “counts.”
“My view is that every vote matters and the way we can make that happen is that we can have national voting and that means get rid of the electoral college—and every vote counts,” Elizabeth Warren said this week. It looks like most Democratic Party hopefuls are following her lead .
Fact: We always “count” every vote, but “every vote” never counts.
It might come as a surprise to many Americans that their losing ballots don’t count in elections, which is why we disperse power in this country: to protect political and geographical minorities. As anyone who’s looked at a history of electoral maps can see, the most closely fought-over states are always changing because the issues Americans care about are always changing. Today, much of the divide is between urban, rural, and suburban areas, making the Electoral College even more vital.
“This is such a daft idea on its face,” MSNBC’s Chris Hayes wrote , reacting to Lindsey Graham’s contention that eliminating the Electoral College is meant to snuff out the political voice of rural Americans. “Every American already lives in a state that has both cities and rural areas. During statewide races, politicians campaign all over!”
It’s correct that politicians in statewide races tend to campaign everywhere. It is also true that, in the end, it is urban areas that predominately elect Democrats, not rural ones. In direct national elections—with vast spaces to cover and limited time to campaign—politicians would be incentivized to rack up as many votes as they could in accessible urban areas with huge media markets. The Electoral College, imperfect as it is, forces candidates to moderate their views, create coalitions, and appeal to voters is disparate areas.
For example, it’s the kind of system that might induce a Democratic Party candidate for the presidency to consider the voters of Wisconsin from their Brooklyn campaign headquarters.
Some people like to point out that the Electoral College couldn’t really be important since we’ve only had four elections where it was in conflict with the “popular vote.” The Electoral College isn’t about outcomes, it’s about process. Most successful candidates have messages that don’t merely appeal to big states. If they did, they would lose.
On this note, though, it needs to be said that trying to delegitimize Donald Trump’s 2016 victory by pointing to Hillary Clinton’s “popular vote” victory is one of the most dishonest political arguments going. Not merely because the “popular vote” is mythical and irrelevant, or that he won the presidency in the same exact way every other president did, but rather because Trump ran a campaign focused on the Electoral College. If Republican presidential candidates concentrated their efforts on the huge untapped reserve of GOP voters in big states, the “popular vote” in 2016 may have looked very different. The problem is that we’d have two candidates vying for voters in new York and California.
We don’t know how many voters in deep blue states—which tend to be bigger—don’t bother casting ballots in statewide or national elections. Some people might believe that’s a problematic trend. Perhaps it is. Those voters are free to move. But forcing candidates to calibrate and moderate their message to appeal to the widest number of areas and states helps diminish partisanship and concentration of power.
“The idea that amending the Constitution—or simply proposing amendments—is somehow radical is a recent phenomenon and a silly one,” Ryan Lizza of Esquire recently argued . “The 2016 Republican platform called for five constitutional amendments (abortion, same-sex marriage, term limits, balanced-budget, education).”
What’s truly silly is treating every proposed constitutional amendment as if they were equally consequential. No, there’s nothing particularly radical about partisans proposing amendments that reflect their positions (a balanced budget amendment or an equal rights amendment). None of the ones the GOP has proposed fundamentally challenge one of the core ideas of our governing process. The idea of proportional voting and states’ rights and decentralized power are not the same as an amendment dealing with bookkeeping.
Then again, it was unsurprising to see media outlets quickly take up the Democrats’ cause. “The Electoral College has been debated since the days of James Madison, who called it ‘evil,’” CNN’s John Avalon falsely claimed . Madison was referring to elections that would be thrown to the House of Representatives, which awards two votes to states of every size. As others have pointed out, “evil” in Madison’s connotation, meant harm, not nefariousness. Of all the founders, in fact, Madison, who wanted to create more voters in the Electoral College, made the most impassioned arguments against direct democracy in Federalist #10 .
To be fair, it’s going to take a ton of historical revisionism and fairy tales to make constitutional sense of the Democrats’ position.
Though, one of the most (inadvertently) instructive arguments against the Electoral College has been made by people pointing to polls that prove its unpopularity . Did you know that the majority of Americans prefer majoritarianism? Yes, we do. That’s one of the reasons why the Electoral College exists. Direct democracy disenfranchises a sizable minority of Americans.
Now, it’s unlikely Democrats will be successful in their efforts to change the Constitution. The problem is that their core notions about governance are increasingly conflicting with the Constitution in a number of vital ways. This is merely one example of many .
David Harsanyi is a Senior Editor at The Federalist. He is the author of the new book, First Freedom: A Ride Through America's Enduring History with the Gun, From the Revolution to Today . Follow him on Twitter .
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“On this note, though, it needs to be said that trying to delegitimize Donald Trump’s 2016 victory by pointing to Hillary Clinton’s “popular vote” victory is one of the most dishonest political arguments going. Not merely because the “popular vote” is mythical and irrelevant, or that he won the presidency in the same exact way every other president did, but rather because Trump ran a campaign focused on the Electoral College. If Republican presidential candidates concentrated their efforts on the huge untapped reserve of GOP voters in big states, the “popular vote” in 2016 may have looked very different. The problem is that we’d have two candidates vying for voters in new York and California.
We don’t know how many voters in deep blue states—which tend to be bigger—don’t bother casting ballots in statewide or national elections. Some people might believe that’s a problematic trend. Perhaps it is. Those voters are free to move. But forcing candidates to calibrate and moderate their message to appeal to the widest number of areas and states helps diminish partisanship and concentration of power.
“The idea that amending the Constitution—or simply proposing amendments—is somehow radical is a recent phenomenon and a silly one,” Ryan Lizza of Esquire recently argued . “The 2016 Republican platform called for five constitutional amendments (abortion, same-sex marriage, term limits, balanced-budget, education).”
What’s truly silly is treating every proposed constitutional amendment as if they were equally consequential. No, there’s nothing particularly radical about partisans proposing amendments that reflect their positions (a balanced budget amendment or an equal rights amendment). None of the ones the GOP has proposed fundamentally challenge one of the core ideas of our governing process. The idea of proportional voting and states’ rights and decentralized power are not the same as an amendment dealing with bookkeeping.
Then again, it was unsurprising to see media outlets quickly take up the Democrats’ cause. “The Electoral College has been debated since the days of James Madison, who called it ‘evil,’” CNN’s John Avalon falsely claimed . Madison was referring to elections that would be thrown to the House of Representatives, which awards two votes to states of every size. As others have pointed out, “evil” in Madison’s connotation, meant harm, not nefariousness. Of all the founders, in fact, Madison, who wanted to create more voters in the Electoral College, made the most impassioned arguments against direct democracy in Federalist #10 .
To be fair, it’s going to take a ton of historical revisionism and fairy tales to make constitutional sense of the Democrats’ position.”
The electoral college only affects Presidential elections. So, it's not surprising that Presidential candidates raise the issue to get attention. But a President can't actually do anything to change the electoral college.
Presidential candidates are demanding change that they won't be able to deliver under any circumstance. It's all just political theater to get public attention and further divide the country. And the unbiased media and fact checkers appear to be willing to play along. Everyone in political circles ares feeding stupidity to a stupid public. Sadly it appears to be working.
You are right. Only a constitutional amendment can eliminate or radically change the electoral college. The one solution that is available is the Maine and Nebraska model where the majority in each congressional district carries the ev for that one district of a state and the 2 ev’s representing a states senators go to the overall winner in that whole state. That can be done w/o amendment to the constitution which takes 2/3 of both houses of Congress or the states and then ratification by 3/4 or 38 of them.
A President cannot amend the Constitution. A President cannot legislate. Why are we focusing attention on things that a Presidential candidate can never change under any circumstance?
Presidential candidates are blowing smoke to avoid having to answer questions about what they would do within the authority of the President. It's a 'look squirrel' tactic to get attention and divide the country without being held accountable for anything.
They are blowing smoke...to appease those who feel their vote didn't really count in 2016. The Dems run on emotions to win votes. They know they won't be held accountable for any baseless promises if they manage to win the Presidency. MSM won't hold their feet to the fire either. A win-win.
Actually, there is a real threat to the Electoral College out there. It is the movement that Colorado recently joined to tie their Electoral Votes to the popular vote of the entire country rather than to what the voters of that state vote for.
What supporters of this idea do not get is that once the popular vote determines the actual winner of the Presidential election, the only places that will be visited and campaigned at would be the big cities like Los Angeles, New York City, and Chicago and only their desires would be listened to by the candidates. Essentially, this compact would end up eliminating the voices of the small states like Wyoming in the Presidential election and essentially lay the groundwork to electing a dictator as all previous true democracies ended up doing.
And there ain't no way on earth that 38 states are going to vote to allow two states to decide Presidential elections!
True, but a National Popular Vote law has been introduced in all 50 states at some point or another. It is now up in 13 jurisdictions possessing 181 electoral votes. CO's Governor just signed it into law last week there. Delaware and New Mexico have passed it in both chambers are awaiting signature by their Governors.
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When looking it up I was totally surprised at how much ground the initiative actually has. For those who don't know - A state national popular vote law awards the all state electoral votes to the Presidential Candidate who receives the most popular votes in all 50 states and the District of Columbia. For the record I have never supported this idea even though many points made by those that do (I think) are valid, I just don't think this is the right fix.
They do realize they will be violating the Constitution in a very big way, right?
Article II, Section 2.3: The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two Persons,
Can't even conceive how those governors could translate that sentence to mean "all the popular votes".
Again, I don't support this idea, but I do not believe any state is violating the Constitution.They are, however, "gaming the system".
It preserves the Electoral College and would not affect the structure of the Electoral College. The laws are based on the power of the states to choose the method of awarding their electoral votes. They replace existing state winner-take-all statutes with different state statutes.
It's called the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact . States must sign on and total 270 electors to be able to allow their electors to vote for the candidate that takes the popular vote Nation wide instead of the popular vote of their state.
So far Colorado, California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island, Vermont and Washington state as well as the District of Columbia have signed on. They have a combined 181 electors.
If they can't get 270 electors, the electors must vote based on their state's popular vote.
Since only blue states are signing it it simply means if team red wins the popular vote all those blue states will turn their electoral votes red to comply with the compact. Red states are not reciprocating.
Democrats don't want "State rights/lines " .
Hell, They don't even want "Borders" ……. Period !
Number 1 the biggest problem is these mental midgets like Warren keep calling the USA a democracy, You think she would know better that we are a republic.
Secondly why do they all of a sudden call for the abolishment of the Electoral College? Because the Hillaryious Hag Hillary lost?
I for one do not want one state representing me at the federal level, the founding fathers I think made us a republic to avoid this issue. What a state wants to do within reason, in its own boundaries, is its choice.
Part of the problem is that since at least 1913, the states have given up their power and their voice in Congress. Granted all the states still get 2 Senators, but they are now nothing more than super-Representatives since they can only be appointed by popular vote instead of by whatever means the state Legislatures decide. And, this is all because of one of the smallest states in the Union, Rhode Island, failed to send even a single Senator to Washington, DC twice due to Legislature gridlock. And, once the 17th Amendment passed, the state governments were no longer represented by the Senate. The House is supposed to represent the people and the Senate is supposed to represent the state governments by their choice of how to appoint their Senators. Some used to use the popular state-wide vote to appoint their Senators, others were a mix of governor-appointees approved by the state Legislature and direct appointments by the state Legislatures.
We need to repeal the 17th amendment. It was clearly a big mistake.
There are two Amendments that were both enacted in 1913 along with a law that was passed that need to be repealed. The law that needs to be repealed is the Federal Reserve Act, as it created the Federal Reserve, which actually is somewhat unaccountable for its actions and fails to actually be transparent about its inner workings.
The first of the Amendments that needs to be repealed is the 16th Amendment, which legalized the income tax. The income tax along with Withholding is legalized theft of every single person's hard work and is now being used as a cudgel against anyone whom is more prosperous than other people. Think about it, how do Socialists actually propose to pay for their proposals is to tax the rich. However, they are never really about taxing the rich, since the rich already have their money for the most part. They are about taxing those trying to get rich by proposing higher taxes on the money being brought in (income). If they were really about taxing the rich, they would be proposing sales taxes as that is the only way to actually tax people whom already have lots of money.
And, of course, the 17th Amendment would be the other Amendment that needs to be repealed.
Instead of throwing out the Electoral College, try building a national coalition and winning the election because you were able to appeal to the wide variety of people who live in this country.
they can’t run to the hard socialist secular progressive left if they have to appeal to broad cross sections of the country. That’s why they abandoned the white working class. Too much bitter clinging to God and guns and other deplorable ideas.