Is There Method To "the left's" Madness ?

  
By:  john-russell  •  4 months ago  •  65 comments

Is There Method To "the left's" Madness ?
The gamble of the left argument is that if the Democratic nominee is a "progressive" with policy proposals to the left of the mainstream, young people will come out and vote in numbers never before seen for that progressive candidate. Numbers that will more than make up for any loss of moderates , centrists or independents.

Back in 2016 Democrats were faced with a fork in the road. Bernie Sanders, a self avowed democratic socialist was running for the party nomination on a platform of medicare for all, free college for all, a $15 per hour national minimum wage, and other "leftist" policies. The other road was the more traveled one following Hillary Clinton. At the time, many Democrats thought the more prudent thing to do was nominate Clinton because we knew that Trump was a human and governmental disaster in the making, and Clinton was better poised to beat Trump than a "socialist" would be. As it turned out Clinton lost, and Trump has been a disaster. Realistically, Sanders end result wouldn't have been any worse, and may have been better. We will never know. 

I do remember at the time the progressive celebrity activist, actress Susan Sarandon , speaking for some on the left when she said that she would rather see Trump win than Clinton because if Trump was president it would speed up the "revolution" from the left but if Clinton won it would be the same old thing in Washington. 

Now we are two years into Trump and the next election is on the distant horizon. The Democrats are said to be "split" as to whether it will be easier to beat trump with a "centrist" or with a progressive (what the right wing calls "socialist"). 

The theory behind choosing a "progressive" as the Democratic candidate is an interesting one, in that it could present centrist Democrats and independents with a dilemma - should they vote for a "left" of center candidate like a Warren or a sanders, were they the nominee, or vote for the abhorrent but ineffectual Trump?  Presumably this would be a tough choice for an unknown number of "moderates". 

So, what is the left's response to this dilemma?  It is that nominating a centrist like Biden or Bloomberg or Kloubuchar or Booker, or maybe even Harris, will not excite young people who will then stay home , again , in the 2020 presidential election. 

The gamble of the left argument is that if the Democratic nominee is a "progressive" with policy proposals to the left of the mainstream, young people will come out and vote in numbers never before seen for that progressive candidate. Numbers that will more than make up for any loss of moderates , centrists or independents.

It is an interesting theory, but one that has never been tested in a national election. We know that young people support progressive policies,  but will they vote for them at a level that will make up the difference from moderates who either stay home or in extreme cases even vote for Trump? 

That is the roll of the dice facing the Democrats this year and next year. I think it is possible that a progressive could win the presidential election, but maybe we would be more sure of getting rid of the plague of Trump with a more centrist Democratic candidate. 

Most people want to get rid of Trump, I think. 

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JohnRussell
1  author  JohnRussell    4 months ago

Another consideration is an even more practical one. What if you get a Warren into the White House, but without the Congress behind her? She would be a symbol of a progressive victory but without the effectiveness. This is why progressivism must be built from the ground up, so when we do get a president of "change" they will be able to get their policies passed. 

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
1.1  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  JohnRussell @1    4 months ago

What policies would you like to see. Most of the policies pitched by Warren and company are policies that would take down a good economy. Is the plan to make the economy better? I have yet to hear one proposal at this time that would make a good economy better.

Can you think of one that would benefit the economy?

 
 
 
WallyW
1.2  WallyW  replied to  JohnRussell @1    4 months ago

If Trump was president it would speed up the "revolution" from the left but if Clinton won it would be the same old thing in Washington. 

I think what Trump's election actually did, was to speed up the revolution of the far left wing of the party away from the moderate/centrist element. Since the country as a whole is a bit to the right politically, I think there will be an even greater rejection of the Democrats if they continue the path they appear to be on, which seems to be in your face progressive-ism

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The Magic Eight Ball
1.3  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  JohnRussell @1    4 months ago
Numbers that will more than make up for any loss of moderates , centrists or independents.

actually, no.

but I like that you think that way.

Is There Method To "The Left's" Madness ?

no, they are just mad

cheers :)

 
 
 
Nerm_L
2  Nerm_L    4 months ago

The OP kinda points to one of the big problems that Democrats are going to need to solve.  Democrats nominated Hillary Clinton, independents did not.  If Democrats want to appeal to independents then the primaries need to be opened to allow more participation by independents.  If more voters have a voice in selecting the Democratic nominee then those voters are more likely to support the candidate in the general election.

More Democrats are becoming independent voters just as has happened with Republicans.  Independents leaning toward a party is not the same thing as party loyalty. Independents are not Democrats by choice which means they don't care about loyalty to party brand.  Party brands are no longer enough to maintain voter loyalty.  Party loyalty is a thing of the past and is not going to return.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
3  Buzz of the Orient    4 months ago

“If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain.”  (Sir Winston Churchill)

"...medicare for all, free college for all, a $15 per hour national minimum wage, and other "leftist" policies."

In my opinion, that may be attractive to a person who thinks with their heart, but I think that a person who thinks with their brain is going to wonder where the money is going to come from to pay for all that.

There is another factor that would work against the Democrats that may not have been quite so prominent previously but will most likely have some effect at election time, which might not have shown up at the recent midterms because it was not exposed, and that is the effect antisemitism will have among the voters, made clearly more of an issue in that party now.  And with religion being a factor, Pew Research indicates that about 25% of Americans are Evangelical Christians, and Bernie Sanders is not exactly pro-Israel, whereas Trump has proven himself in that respect.

Personally, I think that by running a progressive candidate, the Democrats will be losers.

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
3.1  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3    4 months ago
“If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain.”  (Sir Winston Churchill)

actually, that statement is not as divisive as one might suggest.

it simply points out that liberals continue to grow up long past college.

if that was not the case there would be no conservatives at all.

we all start out led by emotions. but as we grow up, we learn better.

it is easy to be liberal when one is young and has nothing.

but after a decade or so of hard work and success, people tend to want to keep what they have earned.

a conservative is just an older, smarter, and wiser breed of liberal.  


another common misconception is

"the young will change the world." 

but, they will not be young when they do it.

us old fuks used to be young and we are now changing the world

when today's young are old? it will be their turn. but not until then.


and sorry about the double post. hit the wrong box below.

cheers :)

 
 
 
Heartland American
3.2  Heartland American  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3    4 months ago
 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
3.2.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Heartland American @3.2    4 months ago

China blocks YouTube, Google, Facebook and Twitter, so I would appreciate knowing what it is you posted.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
3.2.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Heartland American @3.2    4 months ago

To Keep America Great:

Since you will not tell me what the YouTube that you directed to me, that you must know I cannot open, is about I will flag it and ask for it to be deleted.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
3.3  Trout Giggles  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3    4 months ago

trmp is "pro-Israel" as long as that policy continues to make him money

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.3.1  Tessylo  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.3    4 months ago

He is only for anything that makes him money.  

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
3.3.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.3    4 months ago

Ah, THAT'S why you have so much knowledge about the movies.  I didn't realize we had another SWAMI on the site, capable of reading the future.

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Since you're good at it, I would really appreciate it if you would send me a private note with the name of the team that will win the World Series this year.  Oh, and since you have the knowledge you profess, how DOES one make money for being pro-Israel.  It's common knowledge here that I'm pro-Israel, so why am I so poor?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
3.3.3  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.3.2    4 months ago

Waiting for an answer....

th?id=OIP.yT1A9jsucb9WVy3OulggygHaGn&pid

 
 
 
BeastOfTheEast
6  BeastOfTheEast    4 months ago

I think a Democrat from the extreme far left will win the 2020 presidential election mainly due to millennials voting in droves who were taught by their lame brain parents they were special and didn't have to work to achieve success, they are owed free college, free medical care, and a high wage because they were born in the United States.

Little do they realize the extreme far left Democrats ultimate main goal is to bring about the collapse of America turning it into a third world country.

 
 
 
TᵢG
6.1  TᵢG  replied to  BeastOfTheEast @6    4 months ago

You might be right.

I can see Sanders potentially getting the nomination; especially with the attacks on Biden.   Given his optics and his policies he likely would lose in the general and we get yet another 4 years of Trump.

It would not surprise me if we wind up with back to back no-choice presidential elections.  Murphy's law.

 
 
 
IceMan
6.2  IceMan  replied to  BeastOfTheEast @6    4 months ago
I fear Nikita Khruschchev was right when he said " You Americans are so gullible, no you won't accept Communism outright, but we will keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you finally wake up and find you already have Communism. We'll so weaken your economy until you'll fall like overripe fruit into our hands" He than he said I can prophecy that your grandchildren in America will live under socialism -- Our firm conviction is that sooner or later Capitalism will give way to Socialism. Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you.
 
 
 
IceMan
6.3  IceMan  replied to  BeastOfTheEast @6    4 months ago
Millennial's are buying into AOC's New Green Deal thinking we have only 12 years to implemented it or else we're all going die. Little do they realize if it is put into effect it will turn the United States into a third world country and make America a one party rule nation in which only the privileged few in the Democratic party will benefit from the good things in life, just like it was in the old Soviet Union
 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
6.3.1  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  IceMan @6.3    4 months ago
we have only 12 years to implemented it or else we're all going die.

and.... in 13 yrs most of them will be conservatives.

truth has a funny way of doing that.

cheers :)

 
 
 
nightwalker
6.4  nightwalker  replied to  BeastOfTheEast @6    4 months ago

OH NO!!!!!!

VOTERS!!!

The most dangerous thing in the world to conservatives! jrSmiley_2_smiley_image.png

We've seen in action the ultra-conservative vision of " 'Merika." A nice Plutocratic police state, with a heavy side of repressive religion.

I can see where a Socialist Democrat could very well win but it won't be just the millennials it'll be the 70% of the U.S. that doesn't want the "good for the few the hell with the rest" style of rule.
 

 
 
 
Tacos!
7  Tacos!    4 months ago
We know that young people support progressive policies

I wonder which policies they're thinking of with this claim. Simply slapping the term "progressive" onto what is really a socialist policy - or even one that's just looney tunes - doesn't make it progressive. There are plenty of ways to be progressive that don't involve crushing individual liberty or throwing more taxpayer money at a problem.

 
 
 
BeastOfTheEast
7.1  BeastOfTheEast  replied to  Tacos! @7    4 months ago

The Communist Party USA and liberal progressives both agree that the role of government is to be not only a protector of the people but, also a provider of jobs and of extensive entitlement programs. The Communist Party USA basically believes that should ensure that no citizen is ever in need. A  socialist Bill of Rights would ensure the “freedom from unemployment, from poverty, from illiteracy, and from discrimination and oppression… the right to vote, to health care, to a job at a living wage, to decent housing” and also, “free education through the college level.” In a socialist America, welfare programs, the Party says, would take precedence over defense and weapons systems. Are you wondering who is going to pay for all this “free stuff” yet?

The Communist/Progressive agenda is one and the same—the ultimate goal is to keep people dependent on government and hold everyone “equally” at the same level of mediocrity, because financial success is scorned and envied. These people want to take the phrase “land of the free” to an unaffordable, unrealistic, disgusting extreme—the land of free health care, free education, free housing, free money, free everything for everyone.

The Communist/Progressive Party USA defined their two main goals as defeating the right-wing and implementing socialism in the United States. For the first goal, I say good luck. The thousands of other conservatives out there, and I don’t ever plan to sit down and shut up in the face of tyranny, And to the latter goal, I say they’re well on their way.

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
7.1.1  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  BeastOfTheEast @7.1    4 months ago
because financial success is scorned and envied

there is only one step from envy to hate.   

 progressives/communists have already taken that step.

 but to be honest, if not for their 8 yrs of bs under obama?

 hillary would have won. and we would be very fuked right now

so we should thank them for that :)

 
 
 
nightwalker
7.1.2  nightwalker  replied to  BeastOfTheEast @7.1    4 months ago

You are defending the idea that a Country should have NO responsibility to aid or protect it citizens?

Really?

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
7.1.3  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  nightwalker @7.1.2    4 months ago

our culture of liberty and security is scorned by the traitors among us.

 
 
 
nightwalker
7.1.4  nightwalker  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @7.1.3    4 months ago

(sniff)

That smells like a old, old pile of BS to me.

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
7.1.5  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  nightwalker @7.1.4    4 months ago
That smells like a old, old pile of BS to me.

thanks for proving my point.  that BS will be standing in the lefts way forever and ever.

although old, our culture of liberty and security will last the test of time :)

 

 
 
 
luther28
8  luther28    4 months ago

Is There Method To "the left's" Madness ?

At this point it would appear not, no one seems to have a path forward. Perhaps if they concentrated on a concrete plan ( and the means to achieve such a plan) rather than chasing Mr. Trumps and their own tails they may actually find a method, but until such a time it is blah, blah, blah.

 
 
 
WallyW
8.1  WallyW  replied to  luther28 @8    4 months ago
Perhaps if they concentrated on a concrete plan ( and the means to achieve such a plan) rather than chasing Mr. Trumps and their own tails they may actually find a method, but until such a time it is blah, blah, blah.

You would think they would know that by now, but they appear to be trapped in an endless loop of circular reasoning.

 
 
 
It Is ME
9  It Is ME    4 months ago

"Safe Spaces" have created "Numb" Brains needing a leader to tell them what not to and what to do !

The ADULT "Youth" of today...… jrSmiley_94_smiley_image.png 's (didn't want to use the actual word) jrSmiley_9_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
cms5
10  cms5    4 months ago

Just another game of identity politics. Young voters = free, free, free. Naive. No need to explain where the money will come from to pay for all of the free stuff...or tell them the rich people in this Nation will pay for it all!

Forget about the centrists and moderates...let them fend for themselves. Don't worry about independents...they have minds of their own and use them accordingly.

There is a 'method' - identity politics didn't work in 2016 but go ahead and give it another shot in 2020.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
11  Perrie Halpern R.A.    4 months ago

Millennials like to talk the talk, but when it comes to getting out the vote, they don't. Heck, they couldn't even get a woman elected. 

The Dems better get their act together. There is no way middle America will vote for Bernie. And the number game is that they need the swing states, the moderates, and independents and even some Republicans and Biden appeals to those. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
11.1  Texan1211  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11    4 months ago
Millennials like to talk the talk, but when it comes to getting out the vote, they don't. Heck, they couldn't even get a woman elected.

How true that is. Some act as though millennials will decide the election. The turnout numbers are simply to low.

The Dems better get their act together. There is no way middle America will vote for Bernie. And the number game is that they need the swing states, the moderates, and independents and even some Republicans and Biden appeals to those.

I think Biden's window has closed. being even accused of such things is enough to end his candidacy.

Personally, I believe Biden is just one of those touch-feely people who do not mean any harm and don't intend anything sexual by touching or hugging. Some folks are just like that, and there is nothing wrong with that as long as the people on the receiving end don't have a problem with it. Of course, the time to say you have a problem with it is when it happens, not years or decades later.

I'm thinking it will be like this for another 10 years or so, and then people will begin to question the motives and lack of reporting such incidents if the "victims" haven't spoken up.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
11.1.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Texan1211 @11.1    4 months ago
I think Biden's window has closed. being even accused of such things is enough to end his candidacy.

I agree with everything you said, but that. I think there is just not enough out there to do him damage. I find it sad that they left is willing to eat their own. Talk about self-destructive. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
11.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11.1.1    4 months ago
I think there is just not enough out there to do him damage.

I can see your point, but I believe the damage is already done,. Just being accused is more then enough in today's political world.

That doesn't make it right, or fair, but it sure seems to be the case.

 
 
 
Ender
11.1.3  Ender  replied to  Texan1211 @11.1.2    4 months ago

I actually agree with you. The damage has already been done and he hasn't even thrown his hat in the ring.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
11.2  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11    4 months ago

Well, you sort of highlight the issue. If you listen to leaders in the "leftist" grouping ,such as The Young Turks, (why are TYT leaders?  Well, Cenk Ugyar and company started "Justice Democrats" the activist group that sponsored Alexandra Ocasio Cortez, and other candidates coming to the fore) the reason that young people don't vote is because they never are presented with candidates to their liking. Yes Sanders was to their liking, and lost, but you could say that the "progressive" movement has only grown and evolved in the past 3 years. I have a niece in San Antonio who liked Bernie Sanders and voted for him in their primary, but was not active. Two years later she was a volunteer for Beto O'Rourke in the senate race. (She has since gone back to Sanders as her choice because Beto "accepts corporate money". I think she heard it on The Young Turks. She is 23 years old this week. 

There is no doubt that depending on young people's votes to get rid of Trump is a big gamble, and not one that I am hoping to see. I think Biden would give Trump a hell like he has never seen.  But I don't rule out a progressive being able to win if we hit a record high youth vote turnout. 

Young people want change and most of them are progressive. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
11.2.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  JohnRussell @11.2    4 months ago

Again, there are not enough of them, and many of them don't vote. They have temper tantrums when they don't get their own candidate. Look at what they did to Hillary. 

The adults in the room vote. Middle America votes. Union people vote. Independents and moderates vote. I will not vote for Sanders. I know a lot of other people just like me who feel the same way.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
11.2.2  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11.2.1    4 months ago
I will not vote for Sanders.

You make Trump happy. 

On a slightly more serious note, the premise from the left is that IF a candidate that they approve of gets the nomination, the millennials will come out and vote. In large enough numbers to win the election. 

We elected Donald Trump, the biggest fool to ever lead this country. Who's to say what is impossible? 

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
11.2.3  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  JohnRussell @11.2.2    4 months ago

Wait, explain why you'd vote for Hugo Chavez Sanders?

 
 
 
Ender
11.2.4  Ender  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11.2.1    4 months ago

I agree. I wouldn't vote for him.

No matter what people say, he would never win the general vote.

Hillary was never my ideal candidate but I think the Bernie sanction helped her downfall.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
11.3  r.t..b...  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11    4 months ago
Heck, they couldn't even get a woman elected.

Maybe it was the wrong woman. I think if a candidate emerges from the field that speaks to the younger generation, sans the normal b.s. that they can smell a mile away, is honest and articulate, they will come out in droves. I don't blame them for not wanting to have any part of our generation in regard to our politics...just look at the dysfunctional, divisive mess we have concocted. Hell, I want no part of it either. Here's hoping such a candidate even exists.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
11.3.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  r.t..b... @11.3    4 months ago

I really don't think Hillary appealed to the millennials. They liked Bernie because of all of his free stuff speech. That unfortunately doesn't appeal to older voters like myself who know that there's no such thing as free and there's an element of our society that doesn't want to be taxed at all for anything let alone drive their taxes up.

 
 
 
Veronica
11.3.2  Veronica  replied to  Trout Giggles @11.3.1    4 months ago

I think we are in sync today.  I agree once again.  I am hoping that the candidates that are thrust upon us for 2020 are choices, not the lesser of two evils. 

 
 
 
Ender
11.3.3  Ender  replied to  r.t..b... @11.3    4 months ago

Obama captured a younger vote. I think someone like Beto might be able to, just not with as large numbers.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
11.3.4  r.t..b...  replied to  Veronica @11.3.2    4 months ago
I am hoping that the candidates that are thrust upon us for 2020 are choices, not the lesser of two evils.

True that. The spineless GOP has hitched their wagon to the incumbent. There will be a myriad of choices as the other side sorts themselves out in what promises to be an interesting primary season. Here's hoping the first priority of the Democrats is electability. Unfortunately, they seem to have a penchant for turning victory into self-inflicted defeat. 

 
 
 
Veronica
11.3.5  Veronica  replied to  r.t..b... @11.3.4    4 months ago

I was hoping the Republican party would find a candidate to run against Trump in the primaries that would be more suitable.  I was also hoping the Democratic party would not be a clown car scenario.  Seems like both those hopes are in the process of being dashed.  Bernie does not appeal to me whatsoever, Biden I think is too old for what we need.  These are just my opinions before anyone jumps all over me.

 
 
 
Ender
11.3.6  Ender  replied to  Veronica @11.3.5    4 months ago

The only one I could see in the ring so far is Beto. Of course I like him so a little biased.

I don't see people like Warren ever winning a general election.

 
 
 
katrix
11.3.7  katrix  replied to  Veronica @11.3.5    4 months ago

I was hoping for the same ... and agree that those hopes seem to be dashed.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
11.3.8  r.t..b...  replied to  Veronica @11.3.5    4 months ago
These are just my opinions before anyone jumps all over me.

If you are jumped for expressing an opinion, that speaks more to the self-serving intentions of the jumper. I share your thoughts about Sanders, Biden, and even Warren, if based on nothing more than a generational criteria. Their platforms will no doubt influence the debate, but it is up to a younger candidate who can somehow coalesce their thoughts into (again with the electability) a winning strategy. The base must be energized without alienating the multitude of independents and moderates (who will ultimately decide the election). A fine line.

 
 
 
Veronica
11.3.9  Veronica  replied to  Ender @11.3.6    4 months ago

I fear what you say is true.  I will be doing a lot of research on the candidates, but sometimes we do not get what this country needs.

 
 
 
Veronica
11.3.10  Veronica  replied to  katrix @11.3.7    4 months ago

Makes me want to cry a little.  So much to lose & they offer nothing to choose from.

 
 
 
Veronica
11.3.11  Veronica  replied to  r.t..b... @11.3.8    4 months ago
if based on nothing more than a generational criteria.

I know.  Some of these people need to realize their time has passed & support the ones coming up.  Not everyone gets to be President.

 
 
 
Ender
11.3.12  Ender  replied to  Veronica @11.3.11    4 months ago

I would like to see someone with a little guts and gas behind them. Someone that could stand up to the trump name calling and false rhetoric. It seems that most of the Dems cow down when such things happen.

Sometimes it is better to call bullshit for what it is instead of trying to turn the other cheek.

 
 
 
Veronica
11.3.13  Veronica  replied to  Ender @11.3.12    4 months ago
better to call bullshit for what it is instead of trying to turn the other cheek.

Yea, I hear you.  With all the failings in the character of the sitting president I am not sure why so many on both sides bow down before him.  I just do not get it.  

I have to remain positive that someone somewhere will pop up and be that strong, assertive, intelligent, upstanding leader that we need.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
11.3.14  Trout Giggles  replied to  Ender @11.3.6    4 months ago

Tulsi Gabbard (I think that;'s right), from Hawaii is one to watch. She has my local right-winger local talk show host nervous

 
 
 
r.t..b...
11.3.15  r.t..b...  replied to  Trout Giggles @11.3.14    4 months ago

With thanks to Colour Me Free...

Pete Buttigieg, Mayor of South Bend, Indiana, is a voice of calm yet unapologetic reason. Check out his CNN interview with Van Jones from this past Sunday. Very impressive at first blush.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
11.3.16  Trout Giggles  replied to  r.t..b... @11.3.15    4 months ago

I like him, too

 
 
 
nightwalker
11.4  nightwalker  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11    4 months ago

I actually think Bernie has a very good chance if he gets a straight shot. He seems to at least have some well thought out plans and how to bring them about and even how to pay for them. As I said before, people have seen what the rights vision of a Country is and it's not all that popular with the non-wealthy.

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
12  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh    4 months ago

Democrats need to start voicing exactly how they are going to improve upon a decent economy. So far I've heard everything but that. Most of them are proposing wacky policies no economist would consider as sound policy. I'd even take it further and call their proposals out of touch and outlandish.

You can't just pitch woke rubbish to the elite and the poor and expect that to resonate with the electorate ie working class/middle class.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
12.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @12    4 months ago

Don't fix what ain't broke.....that's my policy.

IF (and that's a really big if) the economy really is in that good a shape and stays that way, there's no point in putting forth policies, is there? What's wrong with just saying "We're not trmp" and try to get elected on that?

But there are problems in this country. I'm thinking we really need to do something about infrastructure. A bridge fell down in Tennessee the other day.

 
 
 
katrix
12.1.1  katrix  replied to  Trout Giggles @12.1    4 months ago
I'm thinking we really need to do something about infrastructure. A bridge fell down in Tennessee the other day.

Both parties seem to agree that this is something we need ... yet still ... crickets.

 
 
 
nightwalker
12.1.2  nightwalker  replied to  Trout Giggles @12.1    4 months ago

I don't think saying "I'm not trump" is enough. Just because they aren't trump doesn't mean they're not crazy I want to hear what kind of plans they want to work on, how they plan to go about it and any thoughts they may have on how to pay for it.

I'm thinking there is a lot of things broken and a bunch more bent into unrecognizable shapes in this Country.

 
 
 
katrix
12.2  katrix  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @12    4 months ago
Democrats need to start voicing exactly how they are going to improve upon a decent economy.

Trump didn't do that, and he got elected.  Well, he did make promises he failed to keep about manufacturing and coal, but those are things that no President is going to bring back.

But the Dems definitely need to come up with some selling points, and I don't think either Biden or Sanders are going to make the cut.  For me their age would pretty much disqualify them, and Bernie is too far left IMO to win even if he were younger. 

 
 
 
nightwalker
13  nightwalker    4 months ago

Tsk. I always thought the greatness of a Country had something to do with the health, education, security and general welfare of the GENERAL population as well as the economy.

Silly me, I really was over-thinking that wasn't I? jrSmiley_4_smiley_image.png

 
 
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