Kate Smith statue covered up in Philadelphia as late 'God Bless America' singer faces new scrutiny

  
Via:  jasper2529  •  3 months ago  •  102 comments

Kate Smith statue covered up in Philadelphia as late 'God Bless America' singer faces new scrutiny
"At the height of her career, during World War II, she repeatedly was named one of the three or four most popular women in America," according to the New York Times obituary for Smith.

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The NHL's Philadelphia Flyers on Friday joined baseball's New York Yankees in halting the playing of Kate Smith's rendition of "God Bless America" at home games because of lyrics in other songs the late singer recorded.

The Flyers also covered up a statue of Smith that has stood at Philadephia's sports complex since 1987.

“We have recently become aware that several songs performed by Kate Smith contain offensive lyrics that do not reflect our values as an organization,” the Flyers said in a statement. "As we continue to look into this serious matter, we are removing Kate Smith’s recording of 'God Bless America’ from our library and covering up the statue that stands outside of our arena.”

KATE SMITH'S 'GOD BLESS AMERICA' OUT AT YANKEE STADIUM OVER RACIST SONGS

Smith, who died in 1986 at age 79, was long considered an American icon, in large part because of her association with "God Bless America," the 1918 Irving Berlin song that she recorded in 1939.

"At the height of her career, during World War II, she repeatedly was named one of the three or four most popular women in America," according to the New York Times obituary for Smith. "No single show-business figure even approached her as a seller of War Bonds during World War II. In one 18-hour stint on the CBS radio network, Miss Smith sold $107 million worth of war bonds, which were issued by the United States Government to finance the war effort. Her total for a series of marathon broadcasts was over $600 million."

Smith received the Presidential Medal of Freedom from President Ronald Reagan in 1982.

But recently the Yankees became aware that Smith sang a 1931 song, “That’s Why Darkies Were Born,” which opened: “Someone had to pick the cotton, Someone had to pick the corn, Someone had to slave and be able to sing, That’s why darkies were born.”

The song was considered a satire of racism in its time, with civil rights activist Paul Robeson also having recorded a version.

Smith also recorded a song called "Pickaninny Heaven," and her likeness appeared in an ad for baking powder that featured a "mammy" character.

The Flyers had played Smith’s version of “God Bless America” before must-win games since 1969, the Philadelphia Inquirer reported, and its record in those games was 101-31-5. She performed her rendition in person before the team captured its Stanley Cup in 1974.

The Yankees played Smith’s “God Bless America” before the seventh-inning stretch for 18 years. The team pulled song after a fan informed them about the lyrics, the New York Times reported.

The removal of Smith’s version comes as scrutiny of American icons has gotten more attention. In recent years, some have called for John Wayne Airport in Southern California to be renamed after a social media uproar over a 1971 Playboy interview. In the interview, Wayne made remarks against Native Americans and African- Americans many deemed as racist.

But Jack Fowler, a vice president of the National Review, argued Friday that the Yankees and Flyers were going too far in banishing Smith.

"(W)hen she wasn't raising dough to crush fascism, Smith was visiting the soldiers," Fowler wrote, quoting from the Times obituary that Smith had "traveled nearly 520,000 miles to entertain American troops."

The Associated Press contributed to this report. 

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Jasper2529
1  seeder  Jasper2529    3 months ago

Will the NY Yankees, Philadelphia Flyers, and others ever condemn rap "music" that blatantly demeans people, especially women, of color?

 
 
 
Tacos!
1.1  Tacos!  replied to  Jasper2529 @1    3 months ago

I'd say "don't hold your breath" but then I'd be surprised if any of those artists found themselves in the position of singing to promote the USA in the first place.

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
1.1.1  XXJefferson#51  replied to  Tacos! @1.1    3 months ago

Promoting the USA and God was her real offense as far as the secular progressives are concerned.  

 
 
 
Jack_TX
1.1.2  Jack_TX  replied to  XXJefferson#51 @1.1.1    3 months ago

They don't think that far into it.

It's simply a shiny object they can chase around.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
1.2  XXJefferson#51  replied to  Jasper2529 @1    3 months ago

It’s just ridiculous that we now try to shame people of the past for not living up to today’s standards.  No one need defend any wrong any person does or did but we are going to bury our history if we retroactively punish the memory of dead people because they weren't perfect like we are now.    

 
 
 
Jasper2529
1.2.1  seeder  Jasper2529  replied to  XXJefferson#51 @1.2    3 months ago

What concerns me the most is that a vocal minority of people are trying to erase portions of history and literature that they feel are "offensive" instead of teaching our younger generations about those subjects within context of the time in which they happened. If people don't learn from others' mistakes, they will certainly repeat those mistakes.

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.2.2  It Is ME  replied to  Jasper2529 @1.2.1    3 months ago

When you "Get-rid" of things, you don't have to teach about it.

I think they call that "The Lazy way out" ! Seems to be the "IN" thing these days.....of Bernie-ites that is !jrSmiley_80_smiley_image.gif

Even the Democrat Presidential candidates have taken that route. They can't come up with their own shit, so they mimic someone else's SHIT, as if it was their own ! jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
 
Jasper2529
1.2.4  seeder  Jasper2529  replied to  Don Overton @1.2.3    2 months ago

Thank you for your comment and for resurrecting my seed that is at least 2 weeks old, but I don't understand why you posted a sweeping generalization comment that includes 9 off-topic links.

BTW ... I did not flag comment 1.2.3. Someone flagged it after I locked the seed last night. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
1.3  MrFrost  replied to  Jasper2529 @1    3 months ago

Music, if we like it or not, is protected as a form of art. Also protected is our right to protest. So this is a win win or a lose lose, depending on how you look at it. 

 
 
 
Jasper2529
1.3.1  seeder  Jasper2529  replied to  MrFrost @1.3    3 months ago
Music, if we like it or not, is protected as a form of art. Also protected is our right to protest. So this is a win win or a lose lose, depending on how you look at it. 

Correct. However, can you explain why people are protesting Kate Smith but not Paul Robeson? They both recorded the anti-slavery song "That's Why Darkies Were Born" in 1931. Please see my comment 14.1 for their 1931 recordings that were posted on YouTube in 2014.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
1.3.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Jasper2529 @1.3.1    3 months ago
can you explain why people are protesting Kate Smith but not Paul Robeson?

Probably because when a black person sings "someone had to pick the cotton" and when a white person sings it, there are different impressions given. 

 
 
 
JBB
1.3.3  JBB  replied to  JohnRussell @1.3.2    3 months ago

My public school taught us Dixie plus many songs thought insensitive today. That was in the 1960's...

 
 
 
charger 383
1.3.4  charger 383  replied to  JBB @1.3.3    3 months ago

mine too. The local radio station was "1360 in the Land of Dixie"

 
 
 
Jasper2529
1.3.5  seeder  Jasper2529  replied to  JBB @1.3.3    3 months ago
My public school taught us Dixie plus many songs thought insensitive today. That was in the 1960's...

Same here, JBB. My music teachers taught us many Stephen Foster songs and Negro spirituals, because they describe an important part of the musical history of our country. 

 
 
 
Jasper2529
1.3.6  seeder  Jasper2529  replied to  JohnRussell @1.3.2    3 months ago
Probably because when a black person sings "someone had to pick the cotton" and when a white person sings it, there are different impressions given. 

MLK, Jr. and many others wouldn't be happy that in 2019 you're still basing someone's character/worth on the color of her or his skin. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
1.3.7  JohnRussell  replied to  Jasper2529 @1.3.6    3 months ago

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Greg Jones
1.3.8  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @1.3.2    3 months ago

Wasn't Robeson a commie sympathizer?

Why would a different impression be given?

Would you consider "Porgy and Bess" racist?

 
 
 
Jasper2529
1.3.9  seeder  Jasper2529  replied to  Greg Jones @1.3.8    3 months ago

John seems to have lost interest in this seed, so I'll answer you ...

Wasn't Robeson a commie sympathizer?

Yes, he was.

Why would a different impression be given?

John's comment 1.3.2  lead us to believe that Kate Smith was a racist because she was a white person singing the anti-slavery song "That's Why Darkies Were Born", and Paul Robeson singing the same song couldn't be a racist because he was black.

Would you consider "Porgy and Bess" racist?

"Porgy and Bess" is a phenomenal American operatic feat in so many ways.  George and Ira Gershwin captured the spirit of our pre-Civil Rights era in collaboration with poet DuBose Heyward.

Is "Porgy and Bess" racist? Only to a racist.

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/porgy-and-bess-the-first-great-american-opera-premieres-on-broadway 

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.4  Tessylo  replied to  Jasper2529 @1    3 months ago
'Will the NY Yankees, Philadelphia Flyers, and others ever condemn rap "music" that blatantly demeans people, especially women, of color?'

What does that have to do with Smith being a racist?

 
 
 
Jasper2529
1.4.1  seeder  Jasper2529  replied to  Tessylo @1.4    3 months ago
What does that have to do with Smith being a racist?

 By reading the seeded article and other links, you'll learn the answer.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
1.4.2  livefreeordie  replied to  Tessylo @1.4    3 months ago

Typical leftist character smear without any evidence.   There is no evidence put forward by you or anyone else that Kate Smith was a racist.

but that won’t stop the anti American left from continuing to spew their hate of this country 

i can remember a different time when ALL Americans of every race considered it to officially be the 4th of July when Kate Smith sang God Bless America

 
 
 
Greg Jones
1.4.3  Greg Jones  replied to  Tessylo @1.4    3 months ago

How, exactly, could "Dixie" be considered racist and insensitive?

 
 
 
Jasper2529
2  seeder  Jasper2529    3 months ago
The Yankees played Smith’s “God Bless America” before the seventh-inning stretch for 18 years. The team pulled song after a fan informed them about the lyrics, the New York Times reported.

So ONE fan changed 18 years of tradition? Hmmm.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
3  seeder  Jasper2529    3 months ago
The statue of Smith was posted outside Philadelphia's old Spectrum arena in 1987 and was relocated nearby when the arena was demolished in 2011.
 
 
 
It Is ME
4  It Is ME    3 months ago

"But Jack Fowler, a vice president of the National Review, argued Friday that the Yankees and Flyers were going too far in banishing Smith."

I AGREE !

 
 
 
BeastOfTheEast
4.1  BeastOfTheEast  replied to  It Is ME @4    3 months ago

This isn't about vanishing Kate Smith, its about vanishing God

 
 
 
It Is ME
4.1.1  It Is ME  replied to  BeastOfTheEast @4.1    3 months ago
This isn't about vanishing Kate Smith, its about vanishing God

Well.... We all know ….. Progressive/Liberals want everything gone that isn't.....THEM ! jrSmiley_92_smiley_image.png

Didn't you know.....They Are GOD now ? jrSmiley_88_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Veronica
4.1.2  Veronica  replied to  BeastOfTheEast @4.1    3 months ago
its about vanishing God

If "god" is almighty nothing can banish him, correct?

Not everything is about your god.

And I do think that discontinuing the song is going too far.  However would you complain if they replaced the Kate Smith version with someone else's?  I know that at Mets games they get someone to sing "God Bless America" during the 7th inning stretch (usually a 1st responder).  It didn't say in the article, so this inquiring mind would like to know - did the Yankees replace the song with another version & your panties are in a wad about nothing?

 
 
 
Veronica
4.1.3  Veronica  replied to  Veronica @4.1.2    3 months ago

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-04-20/rep-adele-simon-konecki-have-separated

The Yankees had used her 1939 recording of the Irving Berlin classic since the 9/11 terrorist attacks. They used an organ version at games on Wednesday and Thursday, according to CBS News.

Panties in a twist about nothing - your god's praising song is still played.  

 
 
 
Jasper2529
5  seeder  Jasper2529    3 months ago

The song was considered a satire of racism in its time, with civil rights activist Paul Robeson also having recorded a version.

I wonder when Rutgers will stop their Robeson idolization and start condemning communist-sympathizer Robeson for singing the same 1931 song that Kate Smith sang? 

https://robeson.rutgers.edu/

https://www.northjersey.com/story/entertainment/2019/04/08/paul-robeson-being-feted-rutgers-100-years-after-his-graduation/3058229002/

Maybe Washington, DC will cover up Robeson's statue?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/(Here_I_Stand)_In_the_Spirit_of_Paul_Robeson

 
 
 
Veronica
5.1  Veronica  replied to  Jasper2529 @5    3 months ago

The Yankees had used her 1939 recording of the Irving Berlin classic since the 9/11 terrorist attacks. They used an organ version at games on Wednesday and Thursday, according to CBS News.

Song still played - so no problem... link in 4.1.3

 
 
 
Jasper2529
5.1.1  seeder  Jasper2529  replied to  Veronica @5.1    3 months ago
They used an organ version at games on Wednesday and Thursday, according to CBS News. Song still played

Yah, OK, sure ... it's the same only in fantasy land.

 
 
 
Veronica
5.1.2  Veronica  replied to  Jasper2529 @5.1.1    3 months ago

The song was played, correct?  So you are only upset to be upset.  Now I get your reason for seeding - just stirring the pot.  THE SONG WAS PLAYED.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
5.1.3  Greg Jones  replied to  Veronica @5.1    3 months ago

It's still silly censorship.

 
 
 
Veronica
5.1.4  Veronica  replied to  Greg Jones @5.1.3    3 months ago

I do agree with you. It is silly, however when people come out & say that it is done because the "left" wants god to go away then it is perfectly sound to point out the song was played at Yankee stadium.  Just not the Kate Smith version & frankly I prefer organ music at the baseball stadiums - it seems traditional.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
6  Sean Treacy    3 months ago

Liberals insanity never ceases to  amaze me.

Pretty soon Abe Lincoln will be declared a  public enemy. 

 
 
 
Jasper2529
6.1  seeder  Jasper2529  replied to  Sean Treacy @6    3 months ago
Pretty soon Abe Lincoln will be declared a  public enemy. 

That's why Democrats assassinated him in 1865.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
6.1.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Jasper2529 @6.1    3 months ago

Where Booth was a democratic sympathizer, he was not a democrat.  It was a republican who shot Garfield.  Bad shit has happened from both sides.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
6.1.2  seeder  Jasper2529  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @6.1.1    3 months ago
Where Booth was a democratic sympathizer, he was not a democrat.

Don't try to whitewash it. He volunteered to be a uniformed member of the Confederate Army's Richmond Grays militia. Look it up ... National Geographic.

Garfield is off topic, so don't go there.

Now, get back on topic ---> Kate Smith.

 
 
 
arkpdx
6.2  arkpdx  replied to  Sean Treacy @6    3 months ago

There is already a movement to remove Thomas Jefferson, George Washington and other founding fathers because they were slave holders 

 
 
 
Jasper2529
6.2.1  seeder  Jasper2529  replied to  arkpdx @6.2    3 months ago

In today's weakened society that consists of people who constantly need something to be offended by, the topic of slavery must be erased. Instead of teaching our youth about its atrocities and how we overcame those struggles, they want to erase it from history books, literature, artwork, music, etc.  That's why we have today's sudden controversies over our founding fathers and Kate Smith.

Creating an ignorant society will lead to a repeat in the future.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.2.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Jasper2529 @6.2.1    3 months ago
In today's weakened society that consists of people who constantly need something to be offended by, the topic of slavery must be erased. Instead of teaching our youth about its atrocities and how we overcame those struggles, they want to erase it from history books, literature, artwork, music, etc. 

Prove it. 

 
 
 
Jasper2529
6.2.3  seeder  Jasper2529  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2.2    3 months ago
Prove it. 

Prove what? That a minority of people constantly find things "offensive"? That history is being erased in the USA?

I won't do the research for you. All you have to do is use your well-honed Internet skills to learn about what's happened - removing statues, altering history textbooks, violence on college campuses, renaming buildings, rewriting Mark Twain's novels, censoring school music programs, hiding paintings.  Is that the "freedom" you want? I don't.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.2.4  JohnRussell  replied to  Jasper2529 @6.2.3    3 months ago

I asked you a simple question.   You said the topic of slavery must be erased from schools, due to political correctness.  Prove it. 

Your reply does not prove it at all. 

Now, some of the confederate states, such as Texas, have sought to remove the harsh reality slavery from schoolbooks. Was that what you are referring to? 

 
 
 
Jasper2529
6.2.5  seeder  Jasper2529  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2.4    3 months ago
You said the topic of slavery must be erased from schools, due to political correctness.  Prove it. 

I NEVER said that. Stop rewriting my comments to suit whatever you THINK they meant.

 
 
 
Texan1211
6.2.6  Texan1211  replied to  Jasper2529 @6.2.5    3 months ago

that appears to be the new way to debate--claim someone said something, then debate that.

morally bankrupt way to argue.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.2.7  JohnRussell  replied to  Jasper2529 @6.2.5    3 months ago
In today's weakened society that consists of people who constantly need something to be offended by, the topic of slavery must be erased. Instead of teaching our youth about its atrocities and how we overcame those struggles, they want to erase it from history books, literature, artwork, music, etc. 
I NEVER said that. Stop rewriting my comments to suit whatever you THINK they meant.

Yeah, you said it. I'm not the person to try and prove wrong. I am extremely observant. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.2.8  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.6    3 months ago
that appears to be the new way to debate--claim someone said something, then debate that. morally bankrupt way to argue.

try getting your facts straight , if that is possible

 
 
 
Texan1211
6.2.9  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2.8    3 months ago
try getting your facts straight ,

They are--thanks for playing.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.2.10  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.9    3 months ago

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Texan1211
6.2.11  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2.10    3 months ago

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JohnRussell
6.2.12  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.11    3 months ago

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Texan1211
6.2.13  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2.12    3 months ago

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Jasper2529
6.2.14  seeder  Jasper2529  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2.7    3 months ago
Yeah, you said it.

That block quote does not describe MY feelings. I described my observations about today's weakened society that needs to be offended by something, John. 

Move along. I am not the topic.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.2.15  JohnRussell  replied to  Jasper2529 @6.2.14    3 months ago

I see, you are not responsible for what you actually say, you' re responsible for what you "feel". Whatever. Maybe you will learn a lesson. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
6.2.16  Greg Jones  replied to  arkpdx @6.2    3 months ago

So was Hamilton.

 
 
 
luther28
7  luther28    3 months ago

Yeah, it is getting rather silly out there.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
7.1  seeder  Jasper2529  replied to  luther28 @7    3 months ago

luther - I apologize. I flagged your comment off topic by mistake. Please ask Perrie to reinstate it! 

 
 
 
luther28
7.1.1  luther28  replied to  Jasper2529 @7.1    3 months ago

No apology needed:)

 
 
 
BeastOfTheEast
8  BeastOfTheEast    3 months ago

Separation of sports and God, that gives liberals a new rallying cry.

 
 
 
BeastOfTheEast
9  BeastOfTheEast    3 months ago

Woodrow Wilson was a member of the KKK an screened Birth Of A Nation at the White house praising the movie. We need to cover all statues of Woodrow Wilson.

aaaaaawilsonbirth.jpg

 
 
 
Jasper2529
9.1  seeder  Jasper2529  replied to  BeastOfTheEast @9    3 months ago

The second link I posted in comment 5 discusses Robeson's communist leanings and Woodrow Wilson's racism. It seems that two famous US universities (Rutgers and Princeton) are very comfortable with communism and racism. 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
9.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  BeastOfTheEast @9    3 months ago
Woodrow Wilson was a member of the KKK an screened Birth Of A Nation at the White house praising the movie. We need to cover all statues of Woodrow Wilson.

If that would help cut out the cancer of racism that has festered in some hearts since then I'd say yes, let's do it. Let's cover every one of his statues.

"(W)hen she wasn't raising dough to crush fascism, Smith was visiting the soldiers," Fowler wrote, quoting from the Times obituary that Smith had "traveled nearly 520,000 miles to entertain American troops."

I don't really care how much good someone did for others if with the other half of their lives they were raping children or being blatant unapologetic racists. Wilson was a bigot, as many white men of his time were. That doesn't excuse it, it just puts it into context. Smith was a bigot, as were many white women of her time. Again, doesn't excuse it, just puts it into context. Any memorial of her would be dishonest if it didn't include that complex part of her character.

Trying to obfuscate, hide, deny or downplay the racism, hatred and bitter prejudice that came from some of our ancestors and created the world we inhabit today is not only dishonest, by protecting it we only ensure that it will resurface once again. If your immediate response was to feel some sort of protectiveness about this woman who callously sang “Someone had to pick the cotton, Someone had to pick the corn, Someone had to slave and be able to sing, That’s why darkies were born”, then maybe you need to do some soul searching and figure out why you're not offended by such a disgusting racist sentiment.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
9.2.1  seeder  Jasper2529  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @9.2    3 months ago
If your immediate response was to feel some sort of protectiveness about this woman who callously sang “Someone had to pick the cotton, Someone had to pick the corn, Someone had to slave and be able to sing, That’s why darkies were born”, then maybe you need to do some soul searching and figure out why you're not offended by such a disgusting racist sentiment.

Are you offended that a black man, Paul Robeson, "callously sang" the same song?

 
 
 
Greg Jones
9.2.2  Greg Jones  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @9.2    3 months ago

Some people keep looking hard for evidence of racism, when no racism exists, and pretend they are partriots.

 
 
 
BeastOfTheEast
9.2.3  BeastOfTheEast  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @9.2    3 months ago
If your immediate response was to feel some sort of protectiveness about this woman who callously sang “Someone had to pick the cotton, Someone had to pick the corn, Someone had to slave and be able to sing, That’s why darkies were born”, then maybe you need to do some soul searching and figure out why you're not offended by such a disgusting racist sentiment.

I don't look at the song as racist. It's a sad song highlighting a people's plight.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
9.2.4  Greg Jones  replied to  BeastOfTheEast @9.2.3    3 months ago

It's not a bit racist to an intelligent, normal, person

 
 
 
Jasper2529
9.2.5  seeder  Jasper2529  replied to  Greg Jones @9.2.4    3 months ago
It's not a bit racist to an intelligent, normal, person

What some people are doing is myopically interpret/condemn a pre-Civil Rights era (1931) satirical song, “That’s Why Darkies Were Born”, through the lens of our post-Civil Rights time. We've seen the same myopic condemnation occur through censorship in academia (classrooms), literature, and history books.

Two famous people sang this 1931 satirical song. One was a very patriotic white woman and the other was a Communist black man. Both had beautiful voices, but the patriotic white woman is being condemned in 2019 by the Yankees and Flyers for a song that Paul Robeson also sang in 1931. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
10  Tacos!    3 months ago

We must be the holiest, most sanctimonious generation in human history the way we judge past generations. God must like us best.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
10.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Tacos! @10    3 months ago
We must be the holiest, most sanctimonious generation in human history the way we judge past generations. God must like us best.

Progress means learning from our mistakes. There is no evidence any God exists so who the fuck cares what an imaginary invisible wizard likes. Instead of giving so much undeserved respect to a fucking imaginary being, why not try to treat your fellow humans who happen to be of a different skin color with at least a minimum of concern and equality? Why not be disgusted instead of coming to the defense of those who have historically debased, demeaned and disrespected other humans simply based on their race? Or is that just too hard for some? Are some persons self worth or self respect so small that they feel the need to shit on others simply based on some indoctrinated racial bias?

 
 
 
Snuffy
10.1.1  Snuffy  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @10.1    3 months ago
Are some persons self worth or self respect so small that they feel the need to shit on others simply based on some indoctrinated racial bias?

I would have to say that yes, some people's self-worth is that small that they willingly shit on others in an attempt to elevate themselves. We see it daily around many things. You can easily change from race to sex, religious belief, political party, gender, education, age, marital status, almost anything that identifies us as people.

This is a lesson that I believe we so desperately need to learn but unfortunately will be ignored by most as it's not convenient in this disposable age.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
10.1.2  Greg Jones  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @10.1    3 months ago

I have very serious doubts that those who complain loudest about pervasive racism are free from being the worst practitioners of it.

 
 
 
Tacos!
10.1.3  Tacos!  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @10.1    3 months ago
Are some persons self worth or self respect so small that they feel the need to shit on others

You tell me.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
10.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  Tacos! @10    3 months ago

I think the Puritans would roll their eyes at the Progessives at this point. 

 
 
 
SteevieGee
11  SteevieGee    3 months ago

Why would you put a statue of Kate Smith in front of a hockey arena?

 
 
 
Jasper2529
11.1  seeder  Jasper2529  replied to  SteevieGee @11    3 months ago
Why would you put a statue of Kate Smith in front of a hockey arena?

The Flyers viewed her as their good luck charm ... until they decided to hate her in 2019.

Significance in professional sports

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kate_Smith
 
 
 
SteevieGee
11.1.1  SteevieGee  replied to  Jasper2529 @11.1    3 months ago

Just shows that good luck can turn on you.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
12  Jeremy Retired in NC    3 months ago

All this because people need something to be offended by.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
13  JohnRussell    3 months ago

Kate Smith's hey day was 80 years ago. She is much more contemporaneous to Babe Ruth than today's Yankee players and fans. 

Just play a more recent recording of "God Bless America" and let the dead bury the dead. 

 
 
 
Jasper2529
13.1  seeder  Jasper2529  replied to  JohnRussell @13    3 months ago
Kate Smith's hey day was 80 years ago.

Trying to demean her importance, John? Her popularity lasted from the 1930s into the 1970s.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
13.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Jasper2529 @13.1    3 months ago

I SAID that Kate Smith's "hey day" was 80 years ago. 

Her list of hit records spans the time from 1927 to 1948.  She never had a hit single after 1948.  

Of course I stand by what I SAID. 

Yes, she continued in show business into the 1960's, but she was not a big star by any stretch. 

Her hey day was the 30's and 40's. 

I also notice she was nicknamed "the songbird of the south" which probably explains a few of her song choices.  I don't think the sports teams should be forced or co-erced into not playing  Smith recordings anymore, but they might as well do it on their own. Let the dead bury the dead. 

 
 
 
Jasper2529
13.1.2  seeder  Jasper2529  replied to  JohnRussell @13.1.1    3 months ago
Her list of hit records spans the time from 1927 to 1948.  She never had a hit single after 1948.  

There is more to Kate Smith's decades of popularity than her "hit records". 

Warning: You're welcome to comment on my seeds, but leave your hostile tone at the door before you comment again. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
13.1.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Jasper2529 @13.1.2    3 months ago

I wasnt hostile to you, actually it was the other way around.  I made a factual statement. 

hey·day
[ˈhāˌdā]
NOUN
(one's heyday)
  1. the period of a person's or thing's greatest success, popularity, or vigor.
 
 
 
Tessylo
13.1.4  Tessylo  replied to  Jasper2529 @13.1.2    3 months ago

What hostile tone?

 
 
 
arkpdx
13.2  arkpdx  replied to  JohnRussell @13    3 months ago

Maybe so John but the song and her edition of it is ageless and are as relavent today as then. I know things that mention Giving anyway but negatively and praises America offends your delicate, progressive "sensiblities" but get over it.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
13.2.1  JohnRussell  replied to  arkpdx @13.2    3 months ago
I know things that mention Giving anyway but negatively and praises America offends your delicate, progressive "sensiblities" but get over it.

Does that sentence actually mean something? 

 
 
 
arkpdx
14  arkpdx    3 months ago

It is no wonder the lefties are against Kate Smith. She sang a song that while it was considered anti racist at the time, she sang a song that praised America and God at the same time. Actions that progressives can absolutely not tolerate in any way shape or form. 

 
 
 
Jasper2529
14.1  seeder  Jasper2529  replied to  arkpdx @14    3 months ago
It is no wonder the lefties are against Kate Smith. She sang a song that while it was considered anti racist at the time, she sang a song that praised America and God at the same time. Actions that progressives can absolutely not tolerate in any way shape or form.

What I find hypocritical is that The Flyers and Yankees loved Kate Smith for decades but now hate her in 2019 when they suddenly learned that in 1931 she sang a satirical, anti-slavery song

Why do Princeton and Rutgers idolize and memorialize communist Paul Robeson, who sang the same song in 1931?

Both renditions of the song have been available on YouTube since 2014. Is Kate Smith being demonized because she was white?  

Here are both versions, posted in 2014. Expand "Show More" for the lyrics ...

Kate Smith:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_11Fb01Ujw

Paul Robeson:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lqaw2jviEsQ

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
15  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh    3 months ago

When I hear the anthem from the white PATRIARCHY I cry uncontrollably and then I clench my fists and march in my pink crotch hat with the antisemites against bigotry and scream uncontrollably at the sky.

"He will not divide us!"

 
 
 
JohnRussell
15.1  JohnRussell  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @15    3 months ago

Fascinating. 

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
15.1.1  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  JohnRussell @15.1    3 months ago

I'm trying to get Flava Flav to join Newstalker's and be my hype man.

FIGHT THE POWER!

Yeah booooooy!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
16  JohnRussell    3 months ago

“Someone had to pick the cotton,
Someone had to pick the corn,
Someone had to slave and be able to sing,
That’s why darkies were born;

Someone had to laugh at trouble,
Though he was tired and worn,
Had to be contented with any old thing,
That’s why darkies were born;

Sing, sing, sing when you’re weary and
Sing when you’re blue,
Sing, sing, that’s what you taught
All the white folks to do;

Someone had to fight the Devil,
Shout about Gabriel’s Horn,
Someone had to stoke the train
That would bring God’s children to green pastures,
That’s why darkies were born.”

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
16.1  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  JohnRussell @16    3 months ago

That's racist!

What are you saying? Did you write that?

 
 
 
Jasper2529
16.2  seeder  Jasper2529  replied to  JohnRussell @16    3 months ago

Thanks for posting the obvious, because in my comment 14.1 I made the following very clear:

Here are both versions, posted in 2014. Expand "Show More" for the lyrics ...
 
 
 
Greg Jones
16.3  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @16    3 months ago

"Old Man River" from "Porgy and Bess" essentially said the same thing.

Was Gershwin racist?

There is NO widespread racism in the USA.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
17  Buzz of the Orient    3 months ago

Ford vehicles should no longer be put on the market using the Ford name, because Henry Ford was KNOWN to be a virulent anti-Semite. His name should not be perpetuated.  If it is continued to be used, it would also be okay to call one of the Ford car models the "Hitler". 

 
 
 
Goodtime Charlie
17.1  Goodtime Charlie  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @17    3 months ago

How about a swastika placed under the Ford emblem on the cars built between 1933-1945, would that be sufficient?

The Volkswagen is still the Volkswagon that should be named the Hitler car.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
17.1.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Goodtime Charlie @17.1    3 months ago

I think that a swastika could be in a circle in the middle of the grill, like Mercedes has its symbol there.

Yeah, the VW was known as the People's Car, which is the English translation of the name.

 
 
 
Krishna
18  Krishna    3 months ago

But recently the Yankees became aware that Smith sang a 1931 song, “That’s Why Darkies Were Born,” which opened: “Someone had to pick the cotton, Someone had to pick the corn, Someone had to slave and be able to sing, That’s why darkies were born.”

The song was considered a satire of racism in its time, with civil rights activist Paul Robeson also having recorded a version.

What they are doing to her is the right thing to do...or ...it isn't.

But they should be consistent. If they chose to demonize her for singing this song, they should do the same to Paul Robeson.

Or if not...well again, they should do the same to Robeson.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
19  Greg Jones    3 months ago

To apply the left's logic, that would be racist.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
20  Sean Treacy    3 months ago

The Yankees were racist. 

I'm surprised they haven't banned from existence and monument park in Yankee stadium burned to the ground.

 
 
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