The Firing of former Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch
First, a bit of background from Wiki :
Former Ambassador Yovanovitch is a graduate of Princeton University, where she earned a B.A. in History and Russian Studies in 1980. She studied at the Pushkin Institute (1980) and was awarded an M.S. from the National Defense University National War College in 2001.
She has served this country faithfully since her first assignment in Ottowa in 1986. That assignment was followed by overseas assignments including Moscow, London, and Mogadishu.[9] From May 1998 to May
2000 she served as the Deputy Director of the Russian Desk in the U.S. Department of State.
From August 2001 to June 2004, as a career member of the senior foreign service, she was the Deputy Chief of Mission of the U.S. Embassy in Kiev, Ukraine.[10] From August 2004 to May 2005 she was the Senior Advisor to the Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs.
Yovanovitch was nominated on June 3, 2005 to serve as the Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary of the United States of America to the Kyrgyz Republic, and confirmed by the United States Senate on June 30, 2005. She was the United States Ambassador to Kyrgyzstan from November 20, 2004, to February 4, 2008, and the United States Ambassador to Armenia from August 1, 2008, to June 3, 2011.
Yovanovitch was nominated to be the ambassador to Ukraine on May 18, 2016, to replace Geoff Pyatt, and was sworn in on August 18, 2016. She was recalled On May 20th of 2019.
Marie Yovanovitch has served the United States honorably in every post to which she has been assigned. There isn't one bit of proof that she has engaged in any sort of impropriety or unscrupulous dealings.
Nevertheless, yesterday, Donald Trump stood in front of reporters, and when asked about the ambassador's firing, he said "I don't know if I recalled her or somebody recalled her, but I heard very, very bad things about her for a very long period of time -- not good." In the phone call to Ukrainian President, Volodymyr Zelensky, he said, ""The former ambassador from the United States, the woman, was bad news and the people she was dealing with in the Ukraine were bad news so I just want to let you know that," He added, "She's going to go through some things."
Trump trampled Ambassador Yovanovitch, her character, and her impeccable service to this country, and he did in the name of a political personal agenda. Translation: He fired her because she wouldn't 'play ball' regarding Trump's efforts to disparage political rival Joe Biden. There isn't an excuse on this planet that would make his disgusting antics ok.
And PS: Rudy Giuliani needs to flush himself down the nearest toilet for his part in the recall of Ambassador Yovanovitch. In a Wall Street Journal interview , he admitted that he encouraged Trump to fire her because she was interfering with the issue at hand.
Since when have positive character traits turned into liabilities? To say that this is an alarming trend is an understatement.
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As of today, I'll be waving my Trump Derangement Syndrome flag proudly.
unbelievable, yet again
this A Whole knows no bounds
Same here.
There's something rotten in the White House and it has orange hair
And really tiny...hands.
it's a chicken shit move by the biggest walking pile of chicken shit in the US
Treason (!), Sedition, and Trump Derangement Syndrome
Finally, regarding Trump Derangement Syndrome: I'm getting rather tired of the phenomenon whereby anyone who examines and tries to comprehend what our president has done or said and to have a rational conversation about it is accused of suffering from TDS. Let's change that narrative, shall we? A number of diseases or syndromes are named after well-known sufferers from the disease —Lou Gehrig's disease being best known in this category. We've been thinking about Trump Derangement Syndrome all wrong! It refers, actually, to the particular form of derangement from which our president appears to be suffering. I invite readers to read what I have written about the Ukrainian Affair and what Trump has written about the Ukrainian Affair (additional excerpts from Trump's Twitter feed are below, and the rest can be found here ), and to ask yourself: who's the deranged one here?
Trump is the embodiment of deranged. Buffoonishly lambasting others for behavior manifested only in himself.
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They wish not to be informed of the actual reality of the world around them. I;ve attempted to inform others via valid sources, but they too refuse to entertain any other than THEIR Entertainmeant for them
I have no idea who They are nor do I understand any of your statement. Could you be a little more succinct?
Well stated and reasoned article in your comment. I do not say that as a partisan. I agree with his writer, David Post, because President Donald Trump is plainly running to microphones everywhere and anytime to convey unpresidential level and improper disinformation to this nation's citizenry.
Anyone taking a clear eye approach can see Trump by his repetition of truthful hyperbole he manages to delude himself into believing a narrative of his own making—and not being dissuaded of it. Trump is his own sounding board. He makes this clear, because he makes the deliverables himself and likely, considers his repertoire of delivered statements equal (or better) than any supplied by a Trump surrogate!
President Donald Trump is a dangerous man, because he does not have the wisdom to know when to stop talking (about himself). He is a copious liar and we can be confident that world leaders know he is the kind of fool that you do not take at his spoken or written word.
They = Trump supporters/defenders and sticking their heads in the sand.
Some refuse to even read something not from a right wing site, unseen to them would be an actual reality for those artificially flavored buy Trumps' kool Aid, as it's on sale.
Yes, let's. Let us take out Trump's name and insert Obama's name in articles with the most egregious and intolerable behavior ever exhibited by a president. Let's see the reaction to such situation. For instance, the hue and cry when Michelle Obama wore a sleeveless dress was off the charts, as it was when President Obama wore a tan suit or when he put his feet up on his desk. Blasphemy, they all screamed!!! Classless, they said over and over again. Oh dear gawd, the snowflakes were up in arms. But let Trump publicly, on multiple occasions, lust for his own daughter and that's okay. Grabbing pussies? Oh, just locker room talk.
The Traitor In Chief was calling his supporters idiots on the day he said he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and they'd still vote for him. They were too deplorably stupid to even fathom his insult.
I don't understand why they don't question the fact that if he has nothing to hide, he would be more obliged to be transparent. "You think I cheated on my taxes? Here ... here are my returns for the last ten years. It was a perfect conversation with Ukraine, and here are the actual and entire transcripts to prove it. You believe I've had inappropriate dialogue with Russia, China, Ukraine, others? Then look at my secret server.
What happened to infrastructure? What happened to special counsel for Hillary? What happened to Mexico paying for the wall? He counts on low intellect people to soak it up, and they do. And when questioned about their blind faith, especially after their outcry about President Obama, then they jump on their TDS bandwagon. Fortunately we're not as stupid as they are. We can see the fat, grubby, lying, cheating emperor has not a stitch of clothing.
So you looked at both sides and all possible sources then at every turn. Good on ya.
I love it when you get all riled up and sassy!
Trump works for me, and I expect transparency from my employees. Nothing to hide? Then spank it up.
Yeah. That's what I thought.
Yet Trump and his worshippers constantly screech about "unnamed sources" - which not only shows that they have absolutely NO idea how investigative journalism works, or the intellectual curiosity to find out - it also shows what total a fucking hypocrite Trump is, as are any of his supporters who buy this bullshit. Because he constantly says things like "some people say" or "I've heard very very bad things" without saying anything about what those bad things were, or who said them.
Trump Derangement Syndrome is real, and it's a disease caused by worshipping the Orange Idol, which makes people throw away all sense of common decency, ethics, morality, honesty, and patriotism.
Trump decided those traits are over rated, especially when it is he, that be beraten
A clever boy, you are.
Agreed! He knew damn good and well that he is responsible for firing Ambassador Yovanovitch. He also knows that she didn't deserve it, which is why he tried to bamboozle reporters with his trademark and cowardly non-ownership of the act.
Funny that the man with "one of the greatest memories of all time" can't even remember whether he recalled her, or if someone else did.
She must have told the truth, or done something else horrible like that which goes against everything Trump stands for.
Perhaps she'll have even more opportunities to tell the truth during the investigation. Heh.
That's exactly what happened, and Rudy Giuliani admitted it during an interview with The Wall Street Journal.
Knowing that he would turn on her eventually, she still accepted the position. I don't know if that makes her blind or determined.
She accepted the position ( a 36 month assignment ) from the Obama State Department.
Trump recalled her about three months prior to the normal end of her term.
Given the skullduggery by Guliani, she is way too smart not to have anticipated a possible early exit.
My question is this. Is she still on State Dept payroll and if so will Pompeo let her testify?
A lot of people have confused "recalled" with being fired and that is simply not the case.
IMHO she would have to formerly resign, like Volker did, in order to testify.
Critical difference being that Yovanovitch was a paid professional career diplomat ( since 1986)
Volker was an 'volunteer'.
With the bullshit Trump has been spreading all over the place, what government options will be open to her? We both know he will stick to his story about 'bad things', etc. Government life is over for her...at least while Trump remains in office.
That implies that she is still on State's payroll.
Seems like it's worth her while to see wait out the next election.
The Diplomat in Residence program is generally a 12 month stint where these very experienced Ambassadors are used to recruit and screen future FSOs.
There are usually 16 Ambassadors each covering 3 to 4 states or territories of the US near the Ambassadors assigned University, in this case Georgetown, so she is stationed in Washington DC.
Keep your friends close, your enemies closer, lol.
"Since when have positive character traits turned into liabilities?"
In "Politics" ?
ALWAYS !
Someone else will take her place !
She's not his type.
Nothin' but net!
his type
Ambassadors serve at the behest of the US President. Their appointments can be withdrawn at any time for any reason.
Unless of course the left thinks Trump should check with them first before exercising his powers granted under the Constitution?
Why is it folks seem to put that in the waaaaaaaaaaay back of their minds anyway !
Well, if you mean working for an ass-clown who is striving to get himself impeached—then, she should have 'bowed out' long ago. Indeed, anyone who understands the nature of this "Trump-beast" should leave Donald 'high and dry' because only "true patriotic" conservatives take Donald at his word.
Donald deserves only true patriotic conservatives to diss; Heck where is good old John Sessions these days - I hope he has not been driven to hitting the bottle or taking pills to calm himself! /s
I thought you were smarter than this. It's not about exercising his powers, it's about his preference regarding justification. He is saying that she is a bad person who has done bad things. She has not been connected to one ounce of scandal. She has been revered by diplomats on both sides of the aisle. What he's doing to her is much worse than what he's doing to Biden. It's not right and you know it.
There has to be an actual real "Scandal" that occurred for her to be connected to any.
Just because Democrat Politicians say there's a scandal, doesn't make it one.
Same goes for the Biden thingy. It can be said there was a scandal, doesn't make it one either.
All sound fishy, but nothing "definitive" on any of it !
It is fun to watch politicians going after one another though. At least they're leaving us alone for a change.
That is exactly what they think.
Removing for cause is not the same as removal just because.
That is the nature of politics, people are removed all the time without cause.
Even his highness Obama did it.
I must have missed that happening. Please share who Obama fired without cause. Make me smarter. . . please!
Unlike your orange idol, Obama did not publicly smear people - with absolutely no evidence provided, just a vague "many people say" as Trump always pulls when he's speaking out of his ass to insult someone - when he removed someone from a position. But then, he was a grownup, not a toddler.
TDS apparently makes people think that this disgusting behavior is acceptable - or maybe people with TDS have always thought that way, and that's why they worship Trump and refuse to ever, ever admit that anything he's done is wrong. Instead they throw out "Obama!" "Hillary!" "Fake News!" because they have no valid excuses.
He liked firing Generals too.
And Crooked donnie knows more than Generals, ask him, he tell you.
[ deleted ] Was Yovanovitch removed without cause? We don't really know do we? Nonetheless it is politics, people get fired. The whining never ends with liberals.
Apparently Obama thought he did too!
Obama never said it to the whole world like Crooked donnie did
Well, without backstopping your link, you appear to have made me smarter. I am sure I heard about that at the time, but with so much "recessioning" going on at the time I must have 'passed' on the Obama decision with a tongue and cheek expression. This is different from that, seeing that she has been kept on for a considerable time by this president—at least, until she came to his full-attention.
That out of the way, you brought a 'deliverable.' And, for that I am obliged to you. See? This is how we can make harmony out of discordant sounds. (Smile.)
Tso
The news, including WaPo, covered it. But it was Mr. Obama so no big deal.......then. Now is different because.......... well Trump.
The complete avoidance (I'd say "ignorance" in some cases, but since I don't think you're stupid, I'll assume you're doing this deliberately) of the actual point never ends with TDS sufferers. Better to pretend not to know what the real problem is, than to admit your orange idol did anything wrong.
or just Tso's chickens?
Ain't that a hoot, I feel the same way about you.
Well Just Jim NC TttH, everything Trump does ought to suffer further scrutiny due to his poor-quality track record. After all, that man is infamous for lying for pleasure.
Note: Just Jim! You can make me smarter too! What does "TttH" mean?
And the blinders never come off of conservatives.
Trump told them they would help with there peripheral vision
You mean like Mike Flynn, who is heading for prison? LOL
Gotta love it, Obama told trump to not hire flynn because he was crooked, but donny is too fucking stupid to listen, hires him anyway. How well did that work out?
It doesn't matter what the cause is; or just because.
Ambassadors serve at the behest of the President. They can be removed at any time for any reason. Period.
It doesn't matter how much it bunches up left wing panties.
Trump did nothing wrong by removing her, period.
Obama firing 9 Generals in one year. But, Obama good....Orange man bad.
They hypocrisy never ends.
So Crooked donnie knows more than all the Generals...sure he does
Does it always come out later that Trump knows more? Or, can it be the republicans are blocking the truth from having its way with Donald? One has to wonder which has whom: Is Donald Trump the so-called "genius" behind all his administration's chaos or is his republican entourage in the House, Senate, and Administration, and last but not least, "FOXie Neus." channel the madmen?
Whichever it is, Donald Trump has got it 'bad.' I'm starting to worry that is he is sicker than any of us can imagine! We may live to all see men in white coats appearing around and throughout the White House grounds looking to do a presidential 'extraction' on the leader of the free world!
Wow! Ronin2, may be you should show your comment to the 'right conservative channel' and you too can get an offer of an ambassadorship! Do keep in mind not to make too large purchases with long-terms in case you too get the shove off by Trump-in-Chief Inc.!
Sorry, I can't stand Trump. I kiss no ass. I would offend any US president- since I am a true independent. Haven't vote for an Establishment party candidate for President since Clinton second term.
I also have a very good paying job; so I don't need government work.
However, I am far more afraid of the Democrat abuse of power than I am of Trump. We will survive Trump. The Democratic power grab- I am not so sure.
Yes. Very tedious. Not sure how I am supposed to validate who and what you are online. But, "Do tell." *Yawn.
NOTE: This comment is rhetorical. Please remain anonymous as is mandatory.
It's my understanding that Marie is fluent in three languages. That would piss off Trump since he isn't fluent in any language...Covfefe.
American Englich, Frenchy Canadian and Russian if I recall, lol
So she certainly knows how to curse in Ukranian.
Trump only knows two words in Russian, "Da ser!" (Yes sir!)… The only words Putin taught him.
I am in bigly agreement.
Here is an interesting excerpt about Yovanavich/Jovanavich/ Jovanovic from the Zelensky - Trump discussion:
A little background:
The west did more than it's fair share to dangle the carrot in front of Ukraine leading the ouster of then elected Ukraine President Yanukovych, who, btw was friendly with Putin's Russia.
Mind you, Yanukovych had made some overtures to join the EU and become part of the EU economy. When push came to shove Yanukovych overtly switched his loyalty to Russia and the Russian way.
The combination of smoke filled back alley rooms, US and EU influence and a large enough amount of Ukrainians to stage protests in Kiev and bingo, we saw and or experienced Euro Maidan aka, just plan old Maidain for Ukranians or those close enough.
Okay, Poreshenko came and Poreshenko left, doing just enough to keep the EU interested and the US feeling guilty enough to provide a level of financial aid for "border security", aka, defending against "vacationing" Russian military and Russian separatists in the east; basically corralled into the Donbas region. Could have been much worse, not much thanks to either the US or the EU.
So now we have Zelensky. Interesting character. He is a comedian, no joke. Guess what else he is? He is a little friendly with Russia. How about that?
Things that make you go hmmmm?...on more than one level and more than one possibility.
Back in a few minutes with some background on Yovanavich/Jovanavich/ Jovanovic and a collision course set in place with Trump since her appointment as the US Ambassador to Ukraine in 2016.
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