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Is It Possible-Voting Our Way Out Of The Swamp?

  

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By:  citizen-kane-473667  •  5 years ago  •  141 comments

Is It Possible-Voting Our Way Out Of The Swamp?
They count on you not voting...

Is it possible to vote our way out of this mess in State Legislatures,  Congress, and the White House? 

Seriously, can it be done???

I think we could, but it would require everyone to vote for the people who actually represent the values they hold dearest.  BUT!!! It would also require that you automatically eliminate the Incumbent politicians. You know, the ones that depend on Name Recognition to win; a.k.a., the Lazy Voter's Vote.  You see, we have this thing where we don't actually bother with Politics or Politicians all that much. We go to the polls, we pull the lever or push the button of our favorite Party, and if they are listed as an Incumbent, it makes it so much easier to decide, doesn't it??? It shouldn't!

I want you to vote. Hell I want EVERYONE to vote! I want you to vote whether you are a Democrat, a Republican, an Independent, a Green Party member, a Constitutionalist Party member, or any Party you care to claim--or none at all! Here is the catch though: If you really want Change, you won't get it from those who are already in office! Real Change will only come when you introduce new blood into the mix, so voting for those who are promising Change who are already part and parcel of the problem, just won't happen You simply HAVE to go outside the box.

For the Republican's (and Democrat's can also understand), let me explain it in a way you can really relate to:

A company is failing but it has a long history (think someone like Sear's here--or the Republican or Democrat Parties) that has Brand Identity (Party name and platform), valuable assets (members and supporters of policies), and yet is failing due to not keeping up with the changes in consumer demand (Politicians representing the interest of donors instead of their Party members). Along comes a Buyer (voters) that recognizes that this once great company (Country) is suffering not because it doesn't have what it needs to succeed, but because of a failure in Leadership.  Step One is ALWAYS to fire the heads of the company and replace them with those who will listen to the Consumer (voters) and institute the  changes needed (demands) to meet the current market. You can't get that with the old COE's (Chief Operating Executives) or the company wouldn't be failing in the first place!

So exactly How can we do this without violating our core beliefs in the Party we have chosen to support?

In two words: You Can't! What we all must learn to do is to examine the entire platform the candidate is running on while ignoring the stupid little letter following their name.  If the majority of their message aligns with what you perceive to be needed actions to make your life better, then VOTE for them for God's sake! I know this can get a little complicated at times because we have to weigh just how many points we agree with from each candidate, and how much impact those points would actually have on our lives at the moment--and in the far distant future. After all, what is most important to me when I'm young (like lower taxes and more Take Home pay) may be small potatoes in the future when I get older (like medical insurance and retirement).  It's called planning ahead. It is time we demand that we not only want to know what they will do for us in the short term, but what will you do for us in the long term???

For too long now the current crop of Legislators have focused their attentions on getting our votes only on short-term benefits, not how well we will fair further down the road. To be honest, they hope you die or they retire before they have to deal with you again before the next election. They too are focused on the Here and Now rather than the long run. Why? Because they hope you will either become a Lazy Voter and vote for the names you know, or else that you will become disenfranchised and quit voting altogether. 

It is a plan that has served them very well so far.

So here we are--we have our current crop of Legislator's who will "indoctrinate" the Freshman Legislator's when they reach the various Capitols in how they need to act in order to get along. They will fill them in on the whole Who's Who in the sphere of influence and will insist that these newcomers not rock the boat or they will suffer the consequences.  If they don't toe the Party line, they will see their opponents get funding while they have to scratch for every nickle and dime. On top of that, they will ensure that PAC's are formed to run negative ads against them from within their own Party!

They aren't lying either!

Lofty promises of actual Change that would indeed benefit the entire nation of working class people have been dashed to pieces against the rocks of the Old Boy's Club of politics. It is time we put an end to it once and for all...

Vote the Party or the Candidate of your choice; just make sure that when you do, they are going to be the newcomers to politics whenever possible. It is time to send a message to every Capitol that it is We The People who are really in charge--NOT their Rich friends or Corporate Sponsors!

Let's drain ALL the Swamp's ourselves!


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Citizen Kane-473667
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1  author  Citizen Kane-473667    5 years ago

Even if we get a 25% upset this time around across the board, the repercussions will certainly garner a whole helluva lot of attention making the next election very interesting indeed!

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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1.1  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Citizen Kane-473667 @1    5 years ago

Definitely need to get rid of those politicians from both sides of the aisle that have homesteaded for more than three or four terms terms. 

 
 
 
Citizen Kane-473667
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1.1.1  author  Citizen Kane-473667  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.1    5 years ago

What happened? In the beginning we actually had to pass laws to make Politicians go to work. Now we can't stop them.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2  Jeremy Retired in NC    5 years ago
Is it possible to vote our way out of this mess in State Legislatures,  Congress, and the White House? 

Definitely, it's possible.  We did it with the WH in 2016.

Seriously, can it be done???

No.  There are too many hardcore leftists who, for some ungodly reason, still think the Democrats are going to actually do something.

 
 
 
Snuffy
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2.1  Snuffy  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2    5 years ago

There's too many hardcore on both sides TBH. I seem to remember reading an article many years ago that stated less than 5% of incumbents are voted out of office, the majority them retire or decide not to run.  Too many people will sit and bitch about how badly Washington works and we should vote all the bastards out,  but they refuse to vote their own bastard out as "he's gotten us Washington money so he can't be as bad as those bastards from other states". 

I don't see any real change happening until we can get rid of the two major political parties, but they have so much power and control that I just don't see it happening in my lifetime.

 
 
 
Steve Ott
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2.1.1  Steve Ott  replied to  Snuffy @2.1    5 years ago
he's gotten us Washington money

And there you have a large piece of the puzzle. Everyone bitches about the other guys bastard, never their own. They also don't realize that Washington has no money, it either steals it from us or just prints more, which devalues what little money we have.

 
 
 
Citizen Kane-473667
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2.1.2  author  Citizen Kane-473667  replied to  Snuffy @2.1    5 years ago
until we can get rid of the two major political parties,

It would work if we just eliminate d"Parties" altogether. People would be forced to judge them on their positions instead of who they claim to hang with...

 
 
 
Citizen Kane-473667
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2.1.3  author  Citizen Kane-473667  replied to  Steve Ott @2.1.1    5 years ago
They also don't realize that Washington has no money, it either steals it from us or just prints more, which devalues what little money we have

Exactly!!!

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.4  XXJefferson51  replied to  Steve Ott @2.1.1    5 years ago

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Steve Ott
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2.1.5  Steve Ott  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.4    5 years ago

LMFAO. That is supposed to be a reasoned reply? [Deleted] See my reply to your other Instagram reply.

 
 
 
Ender
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2.1.7  Ender  replied to  Snuffy @2.1    5 years ago

Ack. I don't know what is wrong. This is the second time this month I have voted up someone more conservative.  Haha

In my state, one man was in congress for 45 years. It is ridiculous that it ends up being a lifelong career for a lot of people. I don't think that is what the founders envisioned.

John Dingell ended up serving 59 years....I think he holds the record.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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2.1.8  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Citizen Kane-473667 @2.1.2    5 years ago

If people took the time to vet a candidate, we might not have the dysfunction on the hill that we do now.

 
 
 
Citizen Kane-473667
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2.1.9  author  Citizen Kane-473667  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @2.1.8    5 years ago

Ab-so-f*ing-lutely!

 
 
 
Citizen Kane-473667
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2.2  author  Citizen Kane-473667  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2    5 years ago
the Democrats are going to actually do something.

They do indeed "do something". They line their pockets at the Government trough like their Republican counterparts do...

 
 
 
Ronin2
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2.2.2  Ronin2  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.1    5 years ago

Funny that you think the exact same thing hasn't happened during previous administrations. 

Politicians line their pockets, and those that finance them, with money no matter who is in charge.

 
 
 
Citizen Kane-473667
Professor Quiet
2.2.3  author  Citizen Kane-473667  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.1    5 years ago
No, it's this 'president' and his whole administration who are looting, raping, pillaging the treasury as fast as their crooked fingers allow and also lining their pockets.

Just out of curiosity, please name all retired Congressional's final worth when leaving office willingly (who worked for low 6 figure incomes) that were not millionaires??? and their party... and any other pertinent information about them.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.2.4  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.1    5 years ago
No, it's this 'president' and his whole administration who are looting, raping, pillaging the treasury as fast as their crooked fingers allow and also lining their pockets.

Name one administration where this DIDN'T happen.  

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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2.2.5  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.2.4    5 years ago

Don't expect a clear or coherent answer. She firmly believes that progressive leftist liberal Democrats are incapable of any wrongdoing and is always more than willing to five them a pass or free ride. When have you ever heard her say something bad about a proglib? Besides, it is just always so much easier to blame the conservative right....

 

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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2.2.6  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.2.4    5 years ago

So it is okay to let the practice continue, the old "Well they did it so....."

 
 
 
It Is ME
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4  It Is ME    5 years ago

"Vote the Party or the Candidate of your choice; just make sure that when you do, they are going to be the newcomers to politics whenever possible. It is time to send a message to every Capitol that it is We The People who are really in charge--NOT their Rich friends or Corporate Sponsors!"

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igknorantzrulz
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It Is ME
Masters Guide
4.1.1  It Is ME  replied to  igknorantzrulz @4.1    5 years ago

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Freshman Silent
5      5 years ago

Voting on name recognition is definitely a big part of the problem. I think a lot of people would be disapointed to find laws and policies they don't like were supported by someone they actually voted for. You actually need to put effort in and do research if you want to make an informed vote. That's why I'm not a fan of the left's push to "make sure every person votes". Honestly I think it should go in the opposite direction. Only competent people should vote who actually understand issues and politicians stances on issues. People who do not stay up to date are easily tricked by talking points.

 
 
 
squiggy
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5.1  squiggy  replied to  @5    5 years ago
People who do not stay up to date are easily tricked by talking points.

Cortez.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
5.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  @5    5 years ago
I think a lot of people would be disappointed to find laws and policies they don't like were supported by someone they actually voted for.

That's definitely true for most conservatives I know. They claim they support the Republicans no matter what, but as soon as they're informed the guy they're voting for wants to take away their health insurance because they have a pre-existing condition they stand there dumbfounded "Duh huh, which way did he go, which way did he go...".

That's why I'm not a fan of the left's push to "make sure every person votes"

Par for the course for many fascists. They don't trust anyone not in line with their ideology to have a voice.

Honestly I think it should go in the opposite direction.

Like I said. Not surprised.

Only competent people should vote who actually understand issues and politicians stances on issues.

Right, by your ideological standards, how wonderful. Maybe you could ask all the fatties to just eat a grenade while you're at it. I mean, why bother letting anyone who doesn't meet your personal standards have a voice or a vote. It's why so many who know their ideology is shit have to push for voter ID laws and other ways to disenfranchise the majority that they know would be their shitty ideologies downfall. Anything to stop the bigots and worthless piece of shit supremacists and white nationalists inevitable extinction. They're the ones truly making this about "identity politics" as the courts have shown.

North Carolina Republican legislators had requested data on voting patterns by race and, with that data in hand, drafted a law that would "target African-Americans with almost surgical precision," the court said.

" In its ruling,  the appeals court said  the law was intentionally designed to discriminate against black people."

People who do not stay up to date are easily tricked by talking points.

It's what right wing nut jobs rely on for recruitment. It's Fox's bread and butter. They'd never be able to snow so many hapless Americans if they didn't prey on their ignorance.

 
 
 
lady in black
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6  lady in black    5 years ago

Fun facts:

Going back to LBJ (53 years), there have been 25 years of Democratic presidents, and 28 years of Republican presidents.

In the 25 years of D presidents, there have been a total of 3 executive branch officials indicted, with 1 conviction, and 1 prison sentence.

In the 28 years of R presidents, there have been a total of 120 indictments of executive branch officials, 89 convictions, and 34 prison sentences.

 
 
 
PJ
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6.1  PJ  replied to  lady in black @6    5 years ago

I hope those numbers include former Congressmen Duncan Hunter and Chris Collins.  

 
 
 
squiggy
Junior Silent
6.1.1  squiggy  replied to  PJ @6.1    5 years ago

"...Congressmen..."

... who would not be included as 'executive'.

 
 
 
lady in black
Professor Quiet
6.1.2  lady in black  replied to  PJ @6.1    5 years ago

Not sure.  Collins can rot in jail.  It sickens me that he was voted back in by the dolts in NY 27 even after it all came out what he did.

 
 
 
PJ
Masters Quiet
6.1.3  PJ  replied to  squiggy @6.1.1    5 years ago

Are you missing the point?  Do you think reducing the two I added is going to make a difference in the republican's ridiculously high tally?  You think it's going to make it look less severe?  Okay - take my two off.  So instead of 122 it's 120.

jrSmiley_80_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
squiggy
Junior Silent
6.1.4  squiggy  replied to  PJ @6.1.3    5 years ago
I've done my charity work for today. 

You spent the morning splitting hairs and now you're not picky?

 
 
 
PJ
Masters Quiet
6.1.5  PJ  replied to  squiggy @6.1.4    5 years ago

Being the charitable person that I am, I've decided that the volume of criminal acts from the republicans doesn't require my help.  

 
 
 
PJ
Masters Quiet
6.1.7  PJ  replied to    5 years ago
Removed for context

  jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif your words don't bother me.  [ Deleted ]

 
 
 
squiggy
Junior Silent
6.2  squiggy  replied to  lady in black @6    5 years ago

"In the 28 years of R presidents..."

...which can be taken as an indicator of vindictiveness.

 
 
 
lady in black
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6.2.1  lady in black  replied to  squiggy @6.2    5 years ago

[deleted]

 
 
 
bugsy
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6.2.2  bugsy  replied to  squiggy @6.2    5 years ago

which can be taken as an indicator of vindictiveness.

 

You are probably pretty close to the truth. Including Reagan, every Republican president since has had articles of impeachment filed against them.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
Professor Quiet
6.2.3  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  squiggy @6.2    5 years ago

Try justice, not vindictiveness.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
Professor Quiet
8  Paula Bartholomew    5 years ago

Until people start voting for the most qualified and not by a D, R, or I attached to the name, the swamp won't drain.  I have asked more than one person why they voted for a particular candidate knowing that the person should not be in a position of power and they all answered because it was their party.

 
 
 
lib50
Professor Silent
8.2  lib50  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @8    5 years ago

Exhibit #1, Muva post 8.1.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
8.2.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  lib50 @8.2    5 years ago
Exhibit #1 , Muva post 8.1.

Exhibit  #2 , Muva post 6.1.6

 
 
 
sixpick
Professor Quiet
10  sixpick    5 years ago

I can understand why his children feel the way they do with no experience in the real world and not understanding what Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has in mind for them, but the father, Tom Perez, the Chairman of the Democratic Committee, should know what he is talking about.  Anyone who thinks Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez should be the future of their party has some grave intentions for this country.

But this fellow does know what he is talking about and his indoctrination has been long and strong, like many before him.

 
 

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