The Troll Presidency Takes Another Pointlessly Cruel Action , Trump has turned the U.S. government into a cult of grievance.
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The Troll Presidency Takes Another Pointlessly Cruel Action
Trump has turned the U.S. government into a cult of grievance.
The Trump Administration decided to roll back the amount of fruits and vegetables given to school children. This is obviously terrible, so why do it? Well, because it was a Michelle Obama initiative, that’s why. Why do it now? It was Michelle Obama’s birthday.
No, seriously .
The Trump administration moved on Friday to roll back school nutrition standards championed by Michelle Obama, an effort long sought by food manufacturers and some school districts that have chafed at the cost of Mrs. Obama’s prescriptions for fresh fruit and vegetables… Combating childhood obesity was Mrs. Obama’s signature issue , a rallying cry for her supporters and a lightning rod for conservative critics who saw it as epitomizing the liberal “nanny state” of the Obama era.
The administration says, of course, that it was just a coincidence and not intentional:
A spokeswoman for the department said that it had not intended to roll out the proposed rule on Mrs. Obama’s birthday, although some Democratic aides on Capitol Hill had their doubts. Food companies applauded the proposal, while nutritionists condemned it, predicting that starchy foods like potatoes would replace green vegetables and that fattening foods like hamburgers would be served daily as “snacks.”
Sure. The folks at Red State are certainly celebrating it as an act of aggressive trolling. So even in the unlikely event it wasn’t intentional, Trump’s base is reveling in the meanness of it nonetheless. Which is further astonishing since…don’t some of these people also have kids who go to public schools? Certainly they must. Do they not care about their own children’s health? Apparently not as much as scoring a point against their hated political opponents.
It’s just another reminder that we don’t actually have a government. We have a cult of grievance orchestrated by a cable news network for bitter, angry bigots with a cruelty streak.
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Lowlife see, lowlife do.
He is so intent on removing anything with the name Obama on it, he chooses to turn kids into fat mini me's of himself. Chow down on fat and calorie laden food kids. We will just roll you down the aisle on graduation day.
Lol, I think he's getting fatter by the day.
True. He is determined to wipe away anything with Obama's name.
Then people wonder why some call him racist.
It is his narcissistic nature. He doesn't care if he is doing harm to kinds as long as he can dissociate the name Obama from as many things as possible.
Some say the whole birther thing was racist in nature. I tend to believe it was rooted in that.
Make that kids instead of kinds.
It is not racist to disagree with Obama policies or to reverse or undue them
You can think what ever you want and so can I.
When his main objective is to try to remove anything and everything with Obama's name on it, and with trump's past, you can't tell me it didn't factor into it.
Even if they are good policies? I mean, what's the benefit of feeding kids more fatty foods? I mean, I get it, it was an Obama policy and I am sure it was JUST a coincidence that trump reversed it on M.O.'s birthday, but how do you justify that decision?
Remove healthy food, add fatty unhealthy food. Makes no sense at all.
it proves what a petty and vindictive asshole he really is
Let's add childish as well.
Looks like he has "dicky-do". But then he would have that if he was skinny.
The kids in America’s schools are eternally grateful to President Trump for this action. They can now eat their entire lunch
You have no idea what you are talking about. That program set standards for school lunches to be healthy. For many students that is the only healthy meal they will have all day. Do some research before just repeating the party line.
Oh yes, they worked so well./S
Offer a kid a choice of pizza, hamburger, hot dog, corn dog; or a salad, tomatoes, carrots, and celery and guess which most kids will readily jump on and which will be thrown in the garbage. Same with candy bar, ice cream, milk shake/malt, soda; or pretty much any fruit and healthy drink you can name. You can't for kids to eat. If they don't eat at school they will just tank up on junk food both before and after. There is a reason that obesity didn't decrease after Michelle Obama's plan.
If something isn't working; by all means throw more damn money into it. That always fixes everything.
The program wasn't working, period. Ending it will save the schools money, and stop the food waste. Better one semi healthy meal; than a bunch of more expensive vegetables and fruit that are just going to be tossed in the garbage to sooth some people's political angst.
And by teaching them to eat garbage, they'll be dead by the time they're 40, great job Trump!!!
Read my link @9, please.
Also, I'm not really sure we can blame obesity among 2-5 year olds on school lunches. I mean, most kids start school at age 5, so...
Diabeetus is pro-life
Gripe and moan. So now you want to listen to kids! How convenient. BTW, 2012-2015 amounts to three years. That is not enough time to study and reverse trends. But conservatives pull out 'pointed" facts and say see all the time. None of it is trustworthy. But it can and usually does make a big 'splash'!
Let a generation or several go by. It can take as long to get kids accustomed to healthy foods in school meals, as it did to get them to love fast food and less or non-nutritional treats.
Conservatives are always trying to cut things short with their petty messaging. BTW, with the former in mind, trust that conservatives will never end their efforts to take away any social program per se.
Michelle Obama gave a crap whether or not this nation's children, especially underprivileged children, had access to one healthy meal a day, and you have a problem with it?
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Sister!! Please stop by the front office on your way out!
Sugar and starch, sugar and starch, sugar and starch
A nation of fast food based on salty fried potatoes and sugary soft drinks...
Oops. I didn't realize I said that out loud. Mea culpa.
You're the best, 'babe'! (I call all my besties 'babe' - no worries.)
This doesn't really document proposed changes but the stinkiest does seem to follow allowing local decision-making. I don't see how a few green beans are going to slim down that 200 pound eigth-grader when SNAP benefits allow for pizza, chips and ice cream. It's never the parents' fault - but just look at the cashier belt in front of you as the EBT card hits the reader.
I read this yesterday and I thought it was totally petty and also who would want our children to have less healthy meals at school?
It was a very petty move.
Interestingly, when I read what this was actually about you, as a teacher, biologist, and "vocal" independent I wanted to know if this moved you in any way. There is a bible expression: "For if they do these things when the wood is green, what will happen when it is dry?"
President Donald Trump remains in his first term of office. His scale of contempt is "high" for the past inner workings of this country. How much higher will his disgust for what has come before go and expose itself, when he perceives himself "unstoppable"?
The fattest states in the nation are red states.
Ironic that they cheer on trump and what he is doing.
Let their kids get fatter and take away healthcare.
Dumbasses are their own worst enemy.
They think that beer and BBQ are food groups.
Lol , well to be fair ,,,
Haha I drink beer but one has to be careful. One can get pregnant...
Source please?
Google is your friend.
2. The five states with the most room for improvement are Arkansas (No. 46), Oklahoma, Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana, in ascending order. Last year, Mississippi ranked as the least healthy state.
My thanks for the info. Appreciate it Sir.
Not up to me to research the comment you made. You should be able to back yourself up, so I guess that means you didn't have much clue. You have a nice evening.
My pleasure buddy.
Not up to me to do simple research for others. If one cannot type fattest states then click enter...not my problem.
Nice deflection.
Holy crap dude. Does it really mean that much to you...
Ok, just for you. From fox news no less.
All I asked you for was your source. Thank you. It could come from the man in the moon for all I care.
I am glad we can get this behind us. You know I hate it when we fight.
Wait...I can never type things like that out have have it sound sincere. Haha
I might have to give Alaska a pass even though they appear in several lists.
Blubber would help with the cold. : )
Everything pos crooked donnie touches turns to shit
It's obvious? How so? We have lots of evidence that kids throw the fruits and vegetables into the garbage.
For every kid that does that, there is one who will take nutrition to heart.
My own son has. Not that he doesn't like his junk food. But he noticed he's getting a spare tire, and baseball season is coming, so he's been eating veggies and cutting carbs, and he's in the basement on my treadmill right now.
So maybe there's a middle ground where the government supplies less veggies and the kids who actually want them can take them.
How about we be the adults and not let the kids pick the menus?
They have adults in their lives. Parents.
Yes, and they have teachers and school administrators when they're at school. Those adults are the ones responsible for taking care of them when they're not with their parents. That includes some control over food choices offered with taxpayer funding. I'd rather we pay for something that doesn't mean we'll be paying for premature heart disease and diabetes. Call it financial conservativism, if you like. And, you know, raising kids with some discipline.
That's great. People who know how to teach math and writing or people who know how to run a facility. Super. They don't know anything about the nutritional needs of a particular child. They aren't counting everybody's macros or calories and incorporating knowledge of student health and activity. They are not qualified to be forcing specific nutrition at individual kids.
They can make healthy choices available. I see nothing wrong with that. It is up to the parents to manage the overall nutrition of their children. Not teachers, and not the government.
The government, by the way, has a really shitty track record when it comes to public nutritional recommendations. The government is a big part of the reason why America is fatter than ever.
I have never seen a child force-fed in public schools. Having an orange on one's tray does not force the orange down one's throat.
I'm not sure what nutritional need you think is served by making more fried foods available. Do you suspect there are students with a grease deficiency who are slipping through the cracks? Do we need to add more French fries for everyone to remedy the lack?
It's not the government's job to indulge kids with junk food.
Reduce that to the absurd. America's school age kids are in school nearly as many hours during a year as they are at home (exaggerated, but you can get my drift): Here is an idea. Along with a quality education lets feed them mediocre or worse "brain food" during their waking hours as a captive audience. They will think they are "happy" in the short-term, and undernourished over the long-term. Fine!
Highlight on your last sentence. You put down the government for trying to evolve towards better nutrition with "baby steps." And then you decry its unsatisfactory output. A lose-lose proposition. Where is the good ole-fashioned commonsense in that? Not this time, however. This one is on you! You are responsible for wanting to 'dumb down' school meals and regress the schools to diminutive treats and poor nourishment.
Yeah, I 'rethunk' it and edited (see above) that. You read the 'old' stuff. Good looking out though! (If you catch my drift!) Incidentally, did you ingest the point of that whole comment exercise?
To accomplish that, you must pack lunch for them every day. If they're eating school lunch, some bureaucratic hack is deciding what's in that lunch.
If I'm paying taxes to support a school lunch program, then as a taxpayer, it is my business what that lunch program serves.
I have no problem with familial choices at all. Families aren't cooking school lunches.
Except that they don't. I had lunch with my son when he was in elementary school, when he still thought that was cool (now he's embarrassed I exist). Kids were eating their salad. They were eating their fruit. The time I saw them have trouble eating fruit was on the school - they served whole, peeled kiwi fruit that couldn't be sliced with plastic knives and forks. I saw a few kids try to eat it, and give up.
And, as some of us posted above, our own schools' salad bars were the more popular lunch choices.
Kids will eat fruits and vegetables. Of course, some would rather have fries. Some would rather live on chocolate cake. Doesn't mean the state should provide them with a steady diet of fries and cake.
Okay. Here's a compromise. Suspend lunches and cafeteria times. Unemploy school kitchen staffs and planned meals! Allow parents to rearrange their daytime schedules and use their LIBERTY to come pick up little "juniors' and "misses," and allow their young adults can go off campus for lunches, and all can 'pig out' or 're-enerize' themselves accordingly. No harm-no foul practical! . . . Right? What's wrong with this picture?
(I mean really. If you don't want teachers and administrators and officials to care about your child, children, or grands, . . .if you don't want the best for them once they leave your presence and enter the 'world' —just throw up all kinds of red flags and curse the good that is out there. That will put those "busybody" professionals in their place but good!)
Progressives think that government should parent our kids and take over our choices as parents from us.
What are you talking about?
The guidelines were for school lunches provided and paid for by local authorities. It was not about packed lunches.
Oh boo hoo. Schools tried to make kids eat healthy and some are acting like every right in the world has been taken from them.
Nothing constructive at all.
Never said it was. It just forces him to take it even though he’s going to throw it in the trash. And the self-righteous government types can pat themselves on the back for fixing the nutrition of America’s youth. This is fake. Giving it to a kid who doesn’t want it wastes the food. Maybe that kid gets fruit all the time at home and is sick of it.
Maybe some other kid who has zero access to fruit at home would like two oranges. Now he can’t have two because government forced the extra orange into the trash.
We have finite resources that should be managed with thoughtfulness and restraint.
There is always home-schooling out there for consideration. The funkiest truth kept on the down-low of all is this: All liberty ain't good. Some liberty is actually bad. And for the record, parenting conservative children is not something any progressive looks forward to. Those 'long' hours and restless nights are prohibited. And oh, the tension headaches!
I never said more fried foods should be made available. Please stop making stuff up.
It’s possible. Government has convinced people that fat is bad for them when it’s actually a critical macronutrient.
You don’t know the nutritional needs of every person. Potatoes are a perfectly good food. I would never say that French fries is all a person should eat but they can be a good part of a healthy diet. I would rather see kids better educated about nutrition and empowered to make smart choices relevant to their individual needs than to have government push some one-size-fits-all meal at them.
Yeah, as stated above, my schoolmates and I ate our veggies and fruit. But then, we weren't raised to believe that we ruled the roost and our demands for junk food meant anything.
Maybe, smaybe. Let us all try not to be part of the problem in the United States. Remember, we can get through this if we all just put on our thinking caps, use common sense, a heaping amount of critical thinking, and calm the heaven down!
If one does not know what commonsense and critical thinking are: Ask somebody (quickly).
Preparation matters, tacos. More broccoli and less fried foods are not going to deprive any child of adequate nutrition, and it doesn't require knowing every child's nutritional needs to know that.
That doesn’t make sense and has no connection to anything I said.
Here’s a quick bit of food for your thought.
Question #1: Is youth nutrition and dietary health today better or worse than it was 60 years ago? (I would say worse)
Question #2: Is government more or less involved in school nutrition than it was 60 years ago? (I would say more)
Conclusion: If you’re unhappy with youth nutrition and health, government is likely more of the cause than the solution.
Where exactly did someone propose more fried foods?
That's the effect the loosened guidelines are likely to have. Maybe you should examine what you're defending.
The problem is that either way, the food is tossed out. Think fast food joints. You get the wrong order, they usually say to keep it because if you don't, it goes in the trash. Same thing with school buffets, (for lack of a better term).
What?! And that connects to this present rollback of fruits and vegetables in school meals by the Trump Administration how? The new "rules" were in place only short-term. So what's there to criticize?
BTW, why are you arguing healthy fruits and vegetables versus fast food and 'junk' anyway?
And apparently, regressives think feeding our kids shitty fatty foods is much better than feeding them something healthy.
So, then you do want to force kids to eat the fruits and veggies. Or go hungry.
We all have choices in life, Tacos. Nobody will force kids to eat anything.
No, the government has been trying to tell people what to eat for decades. And the story keeps changing. They have made several errors that have led people to consume large quantities of processed carbs like bread and rice, which have increased obesity.
I'm not. You are. This is a conversation you are having with yourself. I have not advocated fast food or junk food anywhere. I invite you to cite the place where I have.
Then just make the food available. That's all I'm saying. It's frankly stupid to shove an apple into a kid's hand if he's just going to throw it away. Leave it out for him. If he wants it, he can take it.
If kids cannot be convinced to eat the apples, and apples are left over, it makes sense to supply less apples. Maybe try a different fruit if you want to be persistent. But stop wasting food and public resources.
This one just cracks me up, BTW. All parents better go out and buy Twinkies, ice cream, Milky Ways, etc. If they insist on fixing broccoli without adding a choice of Twinkie, instead, they're forcing the little darlings to eat that nasty vegetable. The horror of not letting kids eat themselves into malnutrition and a mouthful of rotted teeth. It's child abuse, I tell you!
@9. The Obama-era rules did not increase food waste in the long term.
Because that's the only other possible option? It's your way or the apocalypse? This is why people can't talk about things anymore.
If you don't like hyperbole, Tacos, maybe don't accuse me of forcing kids to eat healthy. They have the choice to eat what they're served, or not. Many a parent, by your definition of "forced", has therefore "forced" a child to eat what's served, because they recognize that children are generally not the best decision-makers in the world.
Restaurants, grocery stores, and families throw out tons of food every day. It seems a little over reaching to accuse schools of wasting food.
Yeah - and look at the examples of the folks "advocating" for government recommended foods. Every one of them are overweight and, probably, not very healthy.
Let the govenment stick to the laws they are required to monitor - keep them away from "health" issues.
Here ya go John -
In the United States , food waste is estimated at between 30-40 percent of the food supply. This estimate, based on estimates from USDA's Economic Research Service of 31 percent food loss at the retail and consumer levels, corresponded to approximately 133 billion pounds and $161 billion worth of food.
And that doesn't even cover the wastefulness in the homes.
Can you imagine??? 133 BILLION pounds - $161 BILLION worth of food.
Oh please. Tell it to someone who wants to idle in conversation. There is no third option presented.
It's how s/he makes points by hyperbole. Just latch onto a gripe and pound it "home" non-stop.
I didn’t say that either. You want to force them to eat what you want them to eat. You don’t know what will be most healthy for any particular kid. If a kid gets nothing but veggies at home, they might need proteins and fats from school. Or maybe they do like veggies, but just not the ones you want to provide.
Where progressivism goes wrong is the when the progressive thinks he or she knows so much better than the people they are trying to help. All I have been saying is give people education and choices, listen to their decisions and spend our resources accordingly. You want to turn that very sensible give and take into I want them to eat junk food and have rotten teeth.
They’re wasting their own resources, then. Not someone else’s.
You are crabbing about nothing. When multitudes of people are fed there will always be some waste.
Nope. I want a healthy meal to be provided if I'm the one paying for it (and as a taxpayer, I am). They can either eat it, bring lunch, or go hungry. This is a choice that many of them face when their parents make something they don't like for dinner - eat it, or go hungry. That's not forcing anybody. That's just saying they're not entitled to a different meal from what is provided for them.
What makes you think school lunches don't have protein, or fat? They generally contain some sort of meat, and often cheese - protein and fat both, right there. Beans are not unheard of in school lunches, nor are eggs.
What "choices" do you propose?
Oh, and the wasted food thing?
Not really an issue.
I would expect links for #1 and #2 before I offered a conclusion.
Just saying, you seem to be going off of your feeiings...
Government influence is easy enough to find. The track record is not great, as evidenced by the continual revisionism in the effort.
The Evolution of the Food Pyramid
Did the government’s dietary guidelines help make us fat?
I’m not here to say the government is solely to blame for increasing obesity, but I will say we should not be relying on the government to feed the children. In getting everyone panicked about fat and filling the bottom of the food pyramid with bread, they drove much of America to consume mass quantities of simple carbs, which are not as satiating as fat and protein and promote insulin resistance, contributing to overeating and weight gain.
I also say that it’s wasteful to keep pushing foods at kids if they just throw it away. Over and over here I have advocated for the opportunity to make educated choices.
They're not. At least, not more than they did before the Healthy, Hunger-Free Kids guidelines.
So the solution is not to offer well-balanced meals, instead pile on low nutritional value foods? Feed capitalism:starve nutritionally the kid's of tomorrow?
Feed the kids more crap food that they can get anywhere and do it from a local, state, and federal perspective? Why not promote fruits and vegetables in a qualitative "pitch" to a healthier lifestyle and future campaign. Drop the old status quo of gluttony for it's own sake?
Also, the Trump Administration's disrespect of other leaders it is at odds with is legendary. We don't have to guess at any deep-seated intent of Trump or his administration. We know he does not mind trampling on the Obamas, Bushs, Clintons, Carters, foreign leaders who are not 'strongmen,' and small leaders like in Ukraine. We can probably go with an "all of the above" approach to explain why and now the administration did this.
Why does the food at school need to come in the form of a "well-balanced meal?" What does that even mean? What makes you think a person needs to eat a fruit or a vegetable every time they eat?
Without knowing anything about a particular kid or how they eat at home, you are declaring what they need to eat at one or two meals of the day when they are at school. That is nutritional malpractice.
What is crap food?
By all means, promote it. But trying to force it on kids is clearly a "fruitless" endeavor.
I don't even know what that is or how it could be promoted in schools.
Only several points are needed:
1. Commonsense. 2. Science and nutrition. 3. Fast food. (lLike that which is strategically killing the youth of tomorrow and turning an incremental number of them into "rollie-pollies.")
Lastly, you can argue a great many things in that style of yours. Don't try arguing fat, flabby, out of shape, kids. Commonsense will prevail. If something is for the good, all of us should be able to open our mouths and tap on our keyboards to state so!
When Donald Trump is wrong, say so. Rebuke wrong-headedness like you do with other presidents I presume. Of course, the corporations which love and need capital want to sell anybody, all of us, on more salt, sugar, fats, and byproducts, all blended in the right proportions to suit our taste.
We have to be the smart ones. Process food is pervasive. It is in vending machines, on store shelves, in our children's lunch bags and boxes, on wives and parents shopping lists—you name it: it's encompasses us daily.
Even though we love our processed foods, we are foolish to not call "fast food" what it is: fast and not the "best" for any of us over a life time.
What is crap food?
Fries, deep fried anything, cookies, cake, mac and cheese, pizza, and anything considered empty calories. These things should be considered a treat and not a normal diet. Kids used to work this shit off through daily activities. Now, they stuff themselves with junk food at home and school and spend hours on gaming systems. Rather than use recess to get exercise, they break out their cell phones and spend the time on FB, twitter, IG, etc.
But fast food is what the blacks and other minorities are used to because it's cheap. Why in the word we would we want to try and give them meals they clearly are not able to afford outside of school. Soon they'll be getting uppity and think they are entitled to the same things white's have including living wage jobs. /s
Let's not even talk about how poor nutrition leads to poor health which leads to higher health insurance premiums because health costs are passed on to those who can subsidize the cost of the uninsured.
I agree. I don't know how fast food ever got the 'wrap' that it is good for us. It is material turned into a commercial 'product' designed for a quick sale. Thus, it is designed by the producers to move out and be consumed. And, repeat. The public's health is not a primary factor in capitalistic endeavors. Although, one would think the manufacturers could see a benefit in keeping their customers alive if only to spend a lifetime purchasing.
"Across the lips and on the hips." Big Corp gets paid! That's how it is meant to go!
Our high school lunches were usually good but grade school food was overcooked and did not taste good to me
Our high school cooks were pretty good. The days we didn't like lunch were usually the days when they served pre-made foods. Like the pizza - it was frozen, sometimes even still when it got to us. But they made a mean homemade chili and baked chicken from scratch.
Middle school lunches were terrible.
You know, the schools here still have hot rolls? They're whole wheat, but they smell every bit as good baking as they did when we were growing up, and taste just as good. When I'd have lunch with my son, I'd try to take his hot roll, too. Just about got my hand stabbed
Yes, those hot rolls were good, glad to hear they still make them. The home ec teacher was head of the kitchen then
Isn't there an old saying that goes something like: "I'm from [Twinkies Corporation] and I am here to help." No? Hmm. Could have fooled me.
No. The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I’m from the government and I’m here to help. Reagan was right.
And yet, private contractors keep on calling in the Feds to make sense of what has gone wrong. At the end of the day; government rocks!
Oh, and the wasted food thing?
Not really an issue.
One could be forgiven for wondering what high society feeds its kids, and if junk food is really "the thing."