West Virginia's Governor Invites Virginia Counties to Join the State to Avoid Proposed Gun Laws

  
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By:   Julio Rosas

West Virginia's Governor Invites Virginia Counties to Join the State to Avoid Proposed Gun Laws
"If you're not truly happy where you are, we stand with open arms to take you, from Virginia or anywhere you may be. We stand strongly behind the Second Amendment, and we stand strongly for the unborn," Justice said. With Justice was Liberty University President Jerry Falwell, who said it was time for a "VEXIT," alluding to the United Kingdom's "Brexit" from the European Union. "The Democrats are anti-life, anti-Second Amendment, anti-liberty, and even anti-business with their oppressive...

This is a great idea.  It’s time to redraw the boundaries of the original Virginia between the two states again.  


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West Virginia Governor Jim Justice (R) backed the growing movement within the state to encourage counties in neighboring Virginia to join his state to avoid proposed gun and abortion laws during a press conference on Tuesday.

Justice reminded those in attendance how West Virginia became a state in the first place, with the northern parts of the state removing themselves from Virginia over the issue of it being a slave state. Justice said West Virginia's state Constitution does not have a limit on how many counties can join them with the consent of the state legislature.

"West Virginia is an incredible state, and West Virginia is truly on the move," he continued. "We're a loving, good people, faith-based people. People that really know the difference between right and wrong."

"If you're not truly happy where you are, we stand with open arms to take you, from Virginia or anywhere you may be. We stand strongly behind the Second Amendment, and we stand strongly for the unborn," Justice said.

With Justice was Liberty University President Jerry Falwell, who said it was time for a "VEXIT," alluding to the United Kingdom's "Brexit" from the European Union.

"The Democrats are anti-life, anti-Second Amendment, anti-liberty, and even anti-business with their oppressive environmental regulations," Falwell said. Adding, "While there will likely be a robust debate about how cities and counties could leave their home state of Virginia, one thing is for absolutely certain: many counties are taking a long, hard look at escaping the barbaric, totalitarian, and corrupt Democratic Virginia regime in Richmond."  Some new gun control bills that passed the Commonwealth of Virginia's Public Safety Committee include universal background checks, red flag protective orders, and only allowing the purchase of one handgun per month.

At a recent town hall, Democratic Virginia Delegate Mark Levine  embarrassed himself  while discussing the new gun control bills when he was unable to accurately define what constitutes an "assault weapon."




Recommended from Townhall Some new gun control bills that passed the Commonwealth of Virginia's Public Safety Committee include universal background checks, red flag protective orders, and only allowing the purchase of one handgun per month.

At a recent town hall, Democratic Virginia Delegate Mark Levine  embarrassed himself  while discussing the new gun control bills when he was unable to accurately define what constitutes an "assault weapon."




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Donald J. Trump fan 1
1  seeder  Donald J. Trump fan 1    3 weeks ago

"West Virginia is an incredible state, and West Virginia is truly on the move," he continued. "We're a loving, good people, faith-based people. People that really know the difference between right and wrong."

"If you're not truly happy where you are, we stand with open arms to take you, from Virginia or anywhere you may be. We stand strongly behind the Second Amendment, and we stand strongly for the unborn," Justice said.

With Justice was Liberty University President Jerry Falwell, who said it was time for a "VEXIT," alluding to the United Kingdom's "Brexit" from the European Union.

"The Democrats are anti-life, anti-Second Amendment, anti-liberty, and even anti-business with their oppressive environmental regulations," Falwell said. Adding, "While there will likely be a robust debate about how cities and counties could leave their home state of Virginia, one thing is for absolutely certain: many counties are taking a long, hard look at escaping the barbaric, totalitarian, and corrupt Democratic Virginia regime in Richmond."  https://thenewstalkers.com/community/discussion/49329/west-virginias-governor-invites-virginia-counties-to-join-the-state-to-avoid-proposed-gun-laws

 
 
 
devangelical
1.1  devangelical  replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @1    3 weeks ago

gee, I wonder who stands to pocket the most cash from this proverbial circle jerk of brainless malcontents.

 
 
 
charger 383
2  charger 383    3 weeks ago

From my house in Virginia It is about 10 miles to West Va

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1  XDm9mm  replied to  charger 383 @2    3 weeks ago
From my house in Virginia It is about 10 miles to West Va

My only problem with your location is that pretty much puts you in the mountain region and while really pretty, especially in the fall, when those snows come, they come hard and deep!!

Had the sons Scout Troop on a 50mi hike (merit badge) through the Blue Ridge.  Bunch of tired scouts (and dads!!) but it was a great time!

 
 
 
katrix
2.2  katrix  replied to  charger 383 @2    3 weeks ago

If you follow what Jim Justice has done to the coal miners in WV, you won't want him as your governor. Although since his mines are in many different states, I think he's already screwed you guys as well as Kentucky.  He's currently trying all kinds of tricks to pretend that all those mines aren't actually in his family, but it doesn't seem to be working so far.

 
 
 
Tacos!
3  Tacos!    3 weeks ago

This would be awesome. I would love to see this.

 
 
 
katrix
3.1  katrix  replied to  Tacos! @3    3 weeks ago

What did I ever do to make you hate me?

 
 
 
Tacos!
3.1.1  Tacos!  replied to  katrix @3.1    3 weeks ago

Ha ha ha! I just think it would be fascinating to see state lines redrawn, or add a few states either by breaking up some states or adding new land. 

 
 
 
charger 383
4  charger 383    3 weeks ago

Those goddamn fools in Richmond better pay attention.  The western part of the state is tired of them treating us like redheaded bastards at the family picnic,  Good stuff always goes east of the mountains and they have always expected us to be happy with scraps.   

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump fan 1
4.1  seeder  Donald J. Trump fan 1  replied to  charger 383 @4    3 weeks ago

You all should go join West Virginia as should western Md, the pan handle to Frederick and Hagerstown, and the far north over to Ocean City.  

 
 
 
Split Personality
4.2  Split Personality  replied to  charger 383 @4    3 weeks ago

Get in line behind the proposed state of Jefferson.

I am trully sorry if it is meaningful to you, my friend Charger,

but it is not going to happen any sooner than Jefferson becoming a state.

 
 
 
Ronin2
4.2.1  Ronin2  replied to  Split Personality @4.2    3 weeks ago

So there is no state of West Virginia to join?

This is very different from Jefferson becoming a state and separating itself from California.

Virginia might scream; but the precedent is already set.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
4.2.2  r.t..b...  replied to  Split Personality @4.2    3 weeks ago
it is not going to happen

We are all free to relocate to wherever we wish...for better schools, for better job opportunities, to be closer to family, or retirement, and for that freedom we should be grateful. If you choose to move to WV because of their stance on guns so be it.

But the whole discussion of annexation and creating new states is rather silly and is but tilting at windmills in frustration. To repeat..."it is not going to happen".

 
 
 
katrix
4.3  katrix  replied to  charger 383 @4    3 weeks ago

Actually, the rural areas of Virginia have long been over-represented considering the population and tax revenue of the rest of the state. The old white men just aren't happy now that they've lost the power they've always had; funny how we're always told to suck it up, Trump won, but when it's their turn to suck it up, they start crying like little babies. 

And we in WV don't need more counties that will suck away more tax revenue than they bring in. We especially don't need the likes of Jerry Falwell and his bogus university - we need more good education, not more crappy education.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
4.3.1  XDm9mm  replied to  katrix @4.3    3 weeks ago
we need more good education

West Virginia (implied), good and education all in the same sentence is an absolutely hilarious statement.

Thank you so much for the morning laugh katrix

 
 
 
katrix
4.3.2  katrix  replied to  XDm9mm @4.3.1    3 weeks ago

Hmmpphhh. I think we're only 49th in the country, not last, when it comes to education - so there!

 
 
 
XDm9mm
4.3.3  XDm9mm  replied to  katrix @4.3.2    3 weeks ago
Hmmpphhh.

I'm sorry.   I just couldn't resist.   And I thank you for taking it in good spirit!!

Quick story, which I've noted before in other threads.

When I lived in MN, there was one State Senator from the South West corner of the state.  When they were speaking about school funding and such and how good MN schools were he noted on the floor of the Senate that, I don't remember the exact quote, but it was along these lines;

'Of course we have the best and highest rated schools in the country.  We should.  We have the second lowest graduation requirements in the nation, so even a mosquito should be able to graduate.' (Mosquito was the unofficial state bird.  They were practically big enough to carry small children off.)
 
 
 
katrix
4.3.4  katrix  replied to  XDm9mm @4.3.3    3 weeks ago

That's hilarious!

 
 
 
XDm9mm
4.3.5  XDm9mm  replied to  katrix @4.3.4    3 weeks ago
That's hilarious!

It most certainly was.  Plus it validated what I had problems proving to the life long MN natives about the 'status' of their schools.  My son was getting in 8th grade in PA what they didn't even start to teach until the kids got into 10th grade AP type courses.   He was so very bored in class, but he admitted that he liked the idea of being a straight A+ student and he didn't even have to try.  He had been a B +/- student in PA.

I loved it when that piece came out in the paper.  I cut it out and pinned it to the wall in my office for all the 'natives' to see and think about!

 
 
 
katrix
5  katrix    3 weeks ago
"We're a loving, good people

Some of us in WV are. Jim Justice is not one of those. He changes political parties at the drop of a hat (he was a Democrat when he won the election as governor) - and he owes millions in back taxes and fines for safety violations at his mines. His family fucks over the people of WV every chance they get.

Some Republicans just can't accept defeat.

 
 
 
Sparty On
5.1  Sparty On  replied to  katrix @5    3 weeks ago
Jim Justice

He sounds like a real dandy but it doesn't change his message.   The urban anti gun message does not play well with most of rural America.   Something anti gunners are going to have to get used to.    Genuine or not he is speaking to them.

I know of few gun owners who are against truly "common sense" gun laws.   I know many gun owners (including myself) who trust few law makers to have the real "common sense" required to write them without trampling all over law abiding citizens liberties.   Thereby illustrating a large part of the problem.

 
 
 
katrix
5.1.1  katrix  replied to  Sparty On @5.1    3 weeks ago

Virginia's new gun laws don't seem that extreme to me. Interviews with people at the protest showed that most of them don't even understand what the new rules are, they're just reacting to right wing media and the NRA trying to get them all hysterical. Why shouldn't private sellers have to run background checks just as any other gun seller does, to keep guns out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them?

(As an aside - I have a huge problem with how WV lets anyone carry without requiring a permit or any training. I'm not a fan of yahoos running around armed without having a clue what to do in a crisis. Some of the people I know who've hunted their entire lives have absolutely no clue about the rules of gun safety.)

Large states with a combination of rural and urban areas have always had this kind of disconnect among their citizens. When WV was formed, it was actually to get away from the minority rule of VA, so it's somewhat ironic that this is attempting to do the exact opposite. The vast majority of Virginia voters agreed with these gun laws.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.1.2  XDm9mm  replied to  katrix @5.1.1    3 weeks ago
Why shouldn't private sellers have to run background checks just as any other gun seller does, to keep guns out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them?

I have no problem with that.  Just don't ask me to do it for my son, brother, wife, etc.  Also make is as convenient as me handing over the title to my car when the buyer puts the cash in my hand.  Oh, and make it a freebie.  

And some of those "background check" laws have the 'devil' in the details.  Predicated on the wording, me simply loaning one of my hunting rifles to a family member or friend I'm going hunting with could make me a felon or just letting a friend or family member use my gun at a shooting range could do the same.

(As an aside - I have a huge problem with how WV lets anyone carry without requiring a permit or any training. I'm not a fan of yahoos running around armed without having a clue what to do in a crisis. Some of the people I know who've hunted their entire lives have absolutely no clue about the rules of gun safety.)

Some of the people I've seen on the road who have been driving all their adult lives have no idea how to drive either, nor do they know the rules or laws of the road.  Stupidity abounds in society.

I also have a problem with requiring people to have a 'LICENCE' to take advantage of a Constitutional Right.

Large states with a combination of rural and urban areas have always had this kind of disconnect among their citizens. When WV was formed, it was actually to get away from the minority rule of VA, so it's somewhat ironic that this is attempting to do the exact opposite. The vast majority of Virginia voters agreed with these gun laws.

I'll submit a slim majority if even a majority at all but hardly a 'vast' majority.  There are huge minorities in the Democrat controlled areas of Northern Virginia, Roanoke,  Richmond and other Democrat represented areas to validate that.

 
 
 
Sparty On
5.1.3  Sparty On  replied to  katrix @5.1.1    3 weeks ago

Banning entire classes of weapons and magazines is extreme.   No other way to put that.

The Red Flag Law, while great in concept is full of potential problems.   If it's implemented/operated in a fair and honest fashion and has reasonable mechanisms to regain weapon rights i'm all for it.   Problem is, that's a huge if.

Same with the background checks.   I've often desired to have that mechanism available as a private seller as long as no records are kept by the Fed after the transaction is approved.   Again it needs to be implemented correctly and the Fed doesn't have a great track record of doing so.

Not sure what one gun a month is supposed to fix.   When it doesn't change anything will it be changed to one gun a year and then one every five years, etc, etc.   Again, good in concept but it isn't going to fix much if any of the problem and politicians know that.   Its just a first step to more restriction for them IMO.

The vast majority of Virginia voters agreed with these gun laws.

Careful which Tyranny of the Majority you support.   The next time it may affect you negatively.

 
 
 
katrix
5.1.4  katrix  replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.2    3 weeks ago
Predicated on the wording, me simply loaning one of my hunting rifles to a family member or friend I'm going hunting with could make me a felon or just letting a friend or family member use my gun at a shooting range could do the same.

That would suck - I have a couple of friends with huge arsenals and I had a blast going to the shooting range with them. One of them brought all his guns to my house several years ago; I set up a couple of wooden sawhorses and bought dirt-cheap pumpkins after Halloween, and introduced him to Pumpkin Plinking. Asshole could shoot the stem off the pumpkins (but then, he was a Marine and also belonged to a gun club where they played "hostage situation" with different colored bowling pins. I would add that both of these guys made me tell them all the gun safety rules before they let me touch any of their guns, and watched me closely to make sure I was following them.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.1.5  XDm9mm  replied to  Sparty On @5.1.3    3 weeks ago
Banning entire classes of weapons and magazines is extreme.   No other way to put that.

Excellent point.  I had forgotten entirely about that bit of ridiculousness.  Predicated on what goes down, my son asked me if he could leave his safe at my house here is TX, when he and his family return from their assignments in Thailand and go back to VA.

The Red Flag Law, while great in concept is full of potential problems.   If it's implemented/operated in a fair and honest fashion and has reasonable mechanisms to regain weapon rights i'm all for it.   Problem is, that's a huge if.

I'm not exactly sure where it occurred, but there had already been an abuse of that bit of insanity.  The DAY the law became effective, a LLSBT (lowlife scumbag thug) called in a report about the guy that busted his ass and put him behind bars years earlier.  Obviously, it didn't take long to figure out what happened, but if the target wasn't a LEO himself, he could have been in a world of hurt.

Same with the background checks.   I've often desired to have that mechanism available as a private seller as long as no records are kept by the Fed after the transaction is approved.   Again it needs to be implemented correctly and the Fed doesn't have a great track record of doing so.

I have no problem with the concept of the checks.  As long as they're convenient and cost free.   I've advocated for the ever present LEO's at gun shows to have a kiosk for private sellers to use.  Get the check and walk out the door with the gun.   

Not sure what one gun a month is supposed to fix.   When it doesn't change anything will it be changed to one gun a year and then one every five years, etc, etc.   Again, good in concept but it isn't going to fix much if any of the problem and politicians know that.   Its just a first step to more restriction for them IMO.

One a month is bullshit feel good tickle my wee-wee legislation of morons not knowing what they're walking about.  It's theoretically created to stop 'straw buyers' from buying multiple guns and then selling them off.  Which by the way, as you and I well know is already illegal, so now, they'll simply ignore another law.

The vast majority of Virginia voters agreed with these gun laws.
Careful which Tyranny of the Majority you support.   The next time it may affect you negatively.

As I indicated in another post, it's hardly a "vast majority".  It's simply a majority of idiots in the State legislature.  

 
 
 
evilgenius
5.1.6  evilgenius  replied to  Sparty On @5.1.3    3 weeks ago
Banning entire classes of weapons and magazines is extreme.   No other way to put that.

It really isn't and has been upheld by the SCOTUS after Reagan signed the Brady Bill.

The Red Flag Law, while great in concept is full of potential problems. If it's implemented in a fair and honest fashion and has reasonable mechanisms to regain weapon rights i'm all for it.   Problem is, that's a huge if.

It certainly can be abused, but then every law can be abused. In the proposed laws I'm familiar with gun confiscation must be approved by a judge and can be appealed. If not then it should be written in before getting passed or amended where such law has already passed.

Same with the background checks.  I've often desired to have that mechanism available as a private seller as long as no records are kept by the Fed after the transaction is approved.   Again it needs to be implemented correctly and the Fed doesn't have a great track record of doing so.

Either someone can or can't purchase a weapon. I don't see any need to keep a record of it other than to catch someone suddenly purchasing dozens of weapons in a very short time indicating a plan to a mass shooting by a person in crisis. Perhaps a mandatory record purge somewhere around 30 to 90 days could be a compromise? As far requiring this as a private seller I can see letting this part of the process be done through a local dealer or an online portal. 

Not sure what one gun a month is supposed to fix.

Yeah I'm not following the logic on this one. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.1.7  XDm9mm  replied to  katrix @5.1.4    3 weeks ago
That would suck -

But I believe that's what the morons have written.

 
 
 
loki12
5.1.8  loki12  replied to  Sparty On @5.1    3 weeks ago
He sounds like a real dandy but it doesn't change his message. 

I bet these people hate him,

Justice serves as the owner or  chief executive officer  of over 50 companies, including  the Greenbrier  in  White Sulphur Springs, West Virginia , which he bought for $20.5 million in 2009, preventing its  bankruptcy . [7]  When Justice first took control he immediately brought back all 650 laid-off employees. He added vacation and health benefits to their contracts and offered a 10 percent raise if the hotel regained its fifth star

In 2009, he sold some of his coal business to the Russian company  Mechel  for $568 million. In 2015, after a huge drop in the price of coal which led Mechel to close some of the mines, he bought the business back for just $5 million. [7] [8]  Since buying back the mine from Mechel, Justice re-opened several of the mines and hired over 200 coal miners. [9]

 
 
 
katrix
5.1.9  katrix  replied to  Sparty On @5.1.3    3 weeks ago

I can't argue with your skepticism about the Fed doing things right, but obviously I do think some gun control measures are valid.

Not sure what one gun a month is supposed to fix.

I don't either, to be honest. I can just picture the time my uncle bought two matched Colts, one serial number apart.

 
 
 
katrix
5.1.10  katrix  replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.2    3 weeks ago
I also have a problem with requiring people to have a 'LICENCE' to take advantage of a Constitutional Right.

Some people would claim that requiring voter ID restricts people's Constitutional Right to vote ... I guess it's all relative.

(as they say, it's all relative in West Virginia)

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.1.11  XDm9mm  replied to  katrix @5.1.10    3 weeks ago
Some people would claim that requiring voter ID restricts people's Constitutional Right to vote ... I guess it's all relative.

Actually, voter ID is in my mind a validation of the Constitutional right to vote.  It proves the individual is actually eligible to vote and by doing do eliminates that voters vote being negated by an illegal voter abusing the system.

Hell, I believe we're about the only country in the world that doesn't require a national voter ID. 

(as they say, it's all relative in West Virginia)

I won't add anything to that!!   I have too many friends in WV and while I've noticed some appearance similarities between husband and wife, I've never asked!!

 
 
 
katrix
5.1.12  katrix  replied to  loki12 @5.1.8    3 weeks ago
I bet these people hate him

Try reading about all his mine safety violations and the back taxes he owes - millions of dollars which these poor counties could desperately use. $70 million just in civil suits, not to mention a huge conflict of interest with money he's made off Greenbrier. And that's just a start - there are plenty more examples.

Glad you love crooks and liars so much.

 
 
 
loki12
5.1.13  loki12  replied to  katrix @5.1.12    3 weeks ago
Glad you love crooks and liars so much.

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Making shit up about people you know nothing about is fun!

You don't think those people are happy to have jobs? I said nothing about his other actions, Warren buffet owed 100's of millions in back taxes that he sued to not pay. It's called business. 

 
 
 
katrix
5.1.14  katrix  replied to  loki12 @5.1.13    3 weeks ago

I think they'd rather have their loved ones back who died because of him.

Even some Republicans are talking about having a primary this year so the Deadbeat Billionaire doesn't get re-elected.

Thanks for reinforcing my opinion that your comments deserve zero respect.  And glad you reinforced that you love crooks. Hey, it's just business, right?

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
5.1.15  sandy-2021492  replied to  loki12 @5.1.8    3 weeks ago

He's well-known among local merchants for not paying his bills.

 
 
 
loki12
5.1.16  loki12  replied to  sandy-2021492 @5.1.15    3 weeks ago

Of course he is, that is why they continue to do business with him,  Or are they just fucking stupid?

 
 
 
loki12
5.1.17  loki12  replied to  loki12 @5.1.13    3 weeks ago

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katrix
5.1.18  katrix  replied to  sandy-2021492 @5.1.15    3 weeks ago

There's a $1 million judgment against him for just a single vendor, as I recall.

Why do so many voters elect crooks without blinking an eye? I mean, we see a few people in here who clearly don't care about those things, but are that many voters really that stupid? And he was a Democrat, for crying out loud (for what that's worth in a WV politician) - you would think that would have been a double whammy.

 
 
 
loki12
5.1.19  loki12  replied to  katrix @5.1.14    3 weeks ago
glad you reinforced that you love crooks. Hey, it's just business, right?

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sandy-2021492
5.1.20  sandy-2021492  replied to  loki12 @5.1.16    3 weeks ago

https://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherhelman/2019/04/09/the-deadbeat-billionaire-the-inside-story-of-how-west-virginia-gov-jim-justice-ducks-taxes-and-slow-pays-his-bills/#73caf7f12acc

He is also a man who has a hard time paying the bills.

Since 2016 courts have ordered Justice and his companies to pay more than $10 million to more than a dozen suppliers, workers and government entities. Over the same time, his companies also piled up $13 million-plus in tax liens. He claims to have paid off many of these. Still looming: another $60 million in potential damages in a civil case awaiting final judgment, plus up to $3 million in fines in Kentucky. And then there’s mine reclamation. By federal law, when a surface mine closes, the operator has to restore the landscape. Virginia’s Department of Mines, Minerals and Energy estimates that Justice’s coal companies face $200 million in reclamation liabilities. (Justice claims it will cost closer to $10 million.)

...

In December 2017, a U.S. district court in New York issued a judgment for $843,000 against Justice’s Southern Coal in favor of National Union Fire Insurance Co. That judgment was transferred to West Virginia, where the U.S. Marshals Service was tasked with seizing assets from Southern Coal accounts at banks that included Wells Fargo and JPMorgan Chase. The marshals found nothing but closed or empty accounts. In January, the court appointed a special commissioner to help get to the bottom of it. Justice tells   Forbes   he plans to settle this one for as little as $150,000. 

Another plaintiff, James River Equipment, sued Justice Energy in 2013 (when it was temporarily owned by Mechel) over a $150,000 unpaid invoice. Justice may have inherited the problem, but his foot-dragging and finger-pointing have made it much worse.
 
 
 
loki12
5.1.21  loki12  replied to  katrix @5.1.18    3 weeks ago
Why do so many voters elect crooks without blinking an eye?

Because he had a "D" after his name, They have a long history for electing fucking idiots, rapists and racist.

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katrix
5.1.22  katrix  replied to  loki12 @5.1.19    3 weeks ago

removed for context

 
 
 
lib50
5.1.23  lib50  replied to  loki12 @5.1.19    3 weeks ago

Can't refute,  so throw out bs. 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
5.1.24  igknorantzrulz  replied to  katrix @5.1.22    3 weeks ago

NICE

 
 
 
katrix
5.1.25  katrix  replied to  loki12 @5.1.21    3 weeks ago
Because he had a "D" after his name

West Virginia is a red state.

 
 
 
Tessylo
5.1.26  Tessylo  replied to  sandy-2021492 @5.1.20    3 weeks ago

Sounds like tRump.  Stiffing everyone.  

 
 
 
loki12
5.1.27  loki12  replied to  katrix @5.1.22    3 weeks ago

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loki12
5.1.28  loki12  replied to  katrix @5.1.25    3 weeks ago

Who elected a crook because he had a "D" after his name. they got exactly what the voted for.

 
 
 
Tessylo
6  Tessylo    3 weeks ago

'Some new gun control bills that passed the Commonwealth of Virginia's Public Safety Committee include universal background checks, red flag protective orders, and only allowing the purchase of one handgun per month.'

These laws make good sense.

No wonder they want to do away with them.

They're not restrictive at all.

How many handguns do you need?

 
 
 
XDm9mm
6.1  XDm9mm  replied to  Tessylo @6    3 weeks ago
'Some new gun control bills that passed the Commonwealth of Virginia's Public Safety Committee include universal background checks, red flag protective orders, and only allowing the purchase of one handgun per month.' These laws make good sense.

Yes they do.  At least to people who don't know or understand rights and the possible abuses.

They're not restrictive at all.

Only to those who enjoy being directed what to do and how to live their life.

How many handguns do you need?

As many as I damn well please.

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  XDm9mm @6.1    3 weeks ago

I wasn't talking to you.

I don't give a fuck what you think or how many guns you have.  

The rules are common sense and non-restrictive.  

 
 
 
Sparty On
6.1.2  Sparty On  replied to  Tessylo @6.1.1    3 weeks ago
The rules are common sense and non-restrictive.  

.... when i read that i'm reminded of a saying:

Common sense is like deodorant

The people who need it the most

Never use it

 
 
 
XDm9mm
6.1.3  XDm9mm  replied to  Tessylo @6.1.1    3 weeks ago
I wasn't talking to you.

That's ok.  I replied to you in a public forum.

I don't give a fuck what you think or how many guns you have.  

Honestly, that's a personal problem and definitely not mine.

The rules are common sense and non-restrictive.  

Only to the uninformed and gullible.

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.1.4  Tessylo  replied to  Sparty On @6.1.2    3 weeks ago

You're reminded of a lot nonsense.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.1.5  Tessylo  replied to  XDm9mm @6.1.3    3 weeks ago

jrSmiley_90_smiley_image.gif is what your opinions, you and sparty, have on the matter, mean to me.  

 
 
 
Sparty On
6.1.6  Sparty On  replied to  XDm9mm @6.1.3    3 weeks ago

Can't you just feel the love in here?

Sure warms the cockles of my heart that's for sure

 
 
 
squiggy
6.1.7  squiggy  replied to  Tessylo @6.1.1    3 weeks ago
The rules are common sense and non-restrictive. 

How does a squeaky-clean Pennsylvania resident, with a concealed weapons permit, take a pistol on a shopping trip to New York City?

 
 
 
Greg Jones
6.2  Greg Jones  replied to  Tessylo @6    3 weeks ago

It's not Constitutional.

All the gun laws in the world cannot prevent violence by gun because bad people ignore the law.

 
 
 
lib50
6.2.1  lib50  replied to  Greg Jones @6.2    3 weeks ago

Do not understand this argument.   People break the law, therefore why bother making or enforcing said laws because can't stop every bad thing?  And you are a man who wants to control women's reproductive physiology.  Go figure.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
6.2.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  lib50 @6.2.1    3 weeks ago
And you are a man who wants to control women's reproductive physiology.  Go figure.

They demand their right to shoot first and ask question later if you step on their property (stand your ground laws) and feel justified shooting a grown adult in the head, while at the same time they demand access into a woman's womb to stop them from terminating a fertilized egg because they claim to be "pro-life".

 
 
 
Texan1211
6.2.3  Texan1211  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @6.2.2    3 weeks ago
They demand their right to shoot first and ask question later if you step on their property (stand your ground laws) and feel justified shooting a grown adult in the head, 

Not even remotely what stand your ground laws are.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
6.2.4  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.3    3 weeks ago

A gun in your hand is much more effective than the police on the phone............

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
6.2.5  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.3    3 weeks ago
Not even remotely what stand your ground laws are.

The States that have stand your ground laws defend them based on the "castle doctrine" which is a set of principles that lessen any duty to retreat when you "feel" threatened. Many who have done just as I described used that and "stand your ground" as their defense claiming justifiable homicide.

 
 
 
Sparty On
6.2.6  Sparty On  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @6.2.2    3 weeks ago
They demand their right to shoot first and ask question later if you step on their property (stand your ground laws)

Shoot first and ask questions later?   C'mon man!    There isn't a jury in any state with such laws that would let you get away with that and you know it.  

Too bad that doesn't stop you from posting disingenuous garbage like this.

 
 
 
Texan1211
6.2.7  Texan1211  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @6.2.5    3 weeks ago
The States that have stand your ground laws defend them based on the "castle doctrine" which is a set of principles that lessen any duty to retreat when you "feel" threatened. Many who have done just as I described used that and "stand your ground" as their defense claiming justifiable homicide.

Which has fuck-all to do with actual stand your ground laws. You can't just shoot someone because they walked on your property--but you, being intelligent, already KNOW that, right?

What you posted earlier suggests that it is perfectly fine to shoot someone on your property for no reason. That isn't true.

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.2.8  Tessylo  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @6.2.5    3 weeks ago

Here in Columbia, MD, where I live, some guy was drunk and knocking on the wrong door, or he might have been trying to get in, and he was shot in the head.  He lived in the neighborhood and was confused and unarmed.  

 
 
 
katrix
6.2.9  katrix  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @6.2.5    3 weeks ago

I can't shoot someone who's retreating from me. But if someone breaks into my house, I don't have to wait to find out if he means me harm before I shoot him. I think that's fair. By the time I find out he means to harm me, it's probably too late - he's gotten too close. I think I have every right to feel threatened if someone breaks in.

 
 
 
katrix
6.2.10  katrix  replied to  Tessylo @6.2.8    3 weeks ago

I don't think the law allows you to shoot someone who is TRYING to break in. I think you have to wait until they've actually broken in.

There was another unfortunate case where someone was shot after he was innocently inside the wrong house. But again - that sucks for him, but am I supposed to wait to make sure the intruder means to harm me? That's a good way to get raped or killed. Sure, if I can escape, that's the best option, but if you're in my house, I am going to assume the worst.

Although someone (in here, I think) told me what's involved if you do shoot someone, even if it's a righteous shoot. You'll probably go bankrupt from the lawyer fees.

 
 
 
katrix
6.2.11  katrix  replied to  Tessylo @6.2.8    3 weeks ago
Here in Columbia, MD, where I live

I love Merriweather!

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.2.12  Tessylo  replied to  katrix @6.2.10    3 weeks ago

He never entered the house.  He never got that far.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.2.13  Tessylo  replied to  katrix @6.2.11    3 weeks ago

'I love Merriweather!'

It's been a while since I've been to a concert there.  I've seen Stevie Nicks there and James Taylor and the Doobie Brothers and quite a few others.

It's only about two miles away from my condo and when the conditions are right, I can hear the bands.  

 
 
 
r.t..b...
6.2.14  r.t..b...  replied to  katrix @6.2.10    3 weeks ago
a righteous shoot

That that phrase is a point of law as legislated all across the country should give us all pause.

Just my opinion and offered respectfully, kat.

 
 
 
katrix
6.2.15  katrix  replied to  r.t..b... @6.2.14    3 weeks ago

It's the phrase the other person used, which I assume means that it was legal. Not shooting someone if he's leaving and not threatening you, for example.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
6.2.16  r.t..b...  replied to  katrix @6.2.15    3 weeks ago
It's the phrase the other person used

My bad then, no harm no foul. The retort was misdirected but the sentiment remains. Peace.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
6.2.17  XDm9mm  replied to  katrix @6.2.10    3 weeks ago
I don't think the law allows you to shoot someone who is TRYING to break in. I think you have to wait until they've actually broken in

It's entirely predicated on the treat level that the individual poses.

Personally, I'd hold fire hoping the Sheriffs deputies arrived first.  But, if they didn't and the perpetrator got in, he would have to smile for the flash and it wouldn't be a camera flash.

Although someone (in here, I think) told me what's involved if you do shoot someone, even if it's a righteous shoot. You'll probably go bankrupt from the lawyer fees.

That's actually a good possibility.  Some DA's have a problem with people defending themselves and will charge on some trumped up nonsense.  Of course they invariably lose, but at appreciable expense to the legitimate use of force defendant.   Then of course there are the civil cases which the LLSBT's (lowlife scumbag thug) family will start.

Smart people have insurance policies to help defend themselves against prosecution and most homeowners policies will defend against the LLSBT's family lawsuits.

 
 
 
katrix
6.2.18  katrix  replied to  Tessylo @6.2.12    3 weeks ago
He never entered the house.  He never got that far.  

I can't imagine how the homeowner wasn't charged in that case. And convicted. I am obviously not up to speed in the laws in every state, but I can't imagine that any of them would let you shoot the person while he's at the door trying to get in. I'd also think that if he was still just trying to get in, the homeowner might have had ample opportunity to escape (depending on if he had kids sleeping that he couldn't get to in time, or something).. 

Personally, I have an unloaded shotgun. My uncle (who is a gun aficionado) recommended it as the best self defense for me. If someone breaks in, hopefully the sound of the pump action will scare him off. If not, I'm probably screwed. If I do have time to get my ammo and load it, the good thing is that I don't have to be able to aim that well .. but I'm not very coherent when I first wake up, so that's not too likely (one reason I'd never keep it loaded - I don't want to be one of those people who shoots my neighbor if she has to let herself into my house in the middle of the night due to an emergency).

 
 
 
XDm9mm
6.2.19  XDm9mm  replied to  katrix @6.2.15    3 weeks ago
Not shooting someone if he's leaving and not threatening you, for example.

As soon as a "threat" turns away from you, he/she is no longer a threat and use of lethal force becomes a criminal act.

That's what the LEO in if I remember South Carolina found out the hard way when he was convicted of murder for shooting the black guy that was running away discovered.

 
 
 
katrix
6.2.20  katrix  replied to  Tessylo @6.2.13    3 weeks ago
It's been a while since I've been to a concert there.

I saw Shinedown and Halestorm there maybe two years ago. I grew up not far from there - it was Merriweather and the Capital Centre for concerts back then.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
6.2.21  XDm9mm  replied to  katrix @6.2.18    3 weeks ago
the homeowner might have had ample opportunity to escape

Escape from your own home?   Why?

Personally, I have an unloaded shotgun.

No.  You have a long paperweight which you might be able to use as a bat but not much more.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
6.2.22  igknorantzrulz  replied to  katrix @6.2.20    3 weeks ago

i've seen Shinedown, and Lizzy before

pretty good shows, but not at the top of my list

 
 
 
katrix
6.2.23  katrix  replied to  XDm9mm @6.2.19    3 weeks ago

Are you required to try to escape as your first option, if you have a reasonable opportunity?

My local cops actually pointed out that it would take them at least 15 minutes to get to me, in general. They suggested the loudest audible alarm I could get, saying that it would scare away most people. I also have a great camera system which is why the one guy who DID burglarize me spent 2 and a half years in jail. Cops showed up, I showed them the footage, they recognized him, they took a copy on a USB drive to get a warrant, and the next day he was in jail. The detective said it was hilarious when the guy first denied it and they told him it was all on video, both inside and outside. You'd think the idiots might look around and notice the security cameras.

A dog would be ideal, but they are just too high maintenance for me. I'm not home enough; it wouldn't be fair to the dog.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
6.2.24  XDm9mm  replied to  katrix @6.2.23    3 weeks ago
Are you required to try to escape as your first option, if you have a reasonable opportunity?

Being in Texas, I actually have the RIGHT to protect not just my loved ones and myself, but , my property as well.   It's legal for me to exit my home and confront, while armed, someone trying to break into my vehicle if I so choose.  Of course, if I had occasion to do that, I would simply hold them for the Sheriffs deputies to arrive as I did for my neighbor when a LLSBT tried to break into his truck while he was away.

My local cops actually pointed out that it would take them at least 15 minutes to get to me, in general. They suggested the loudest audible alarm I could get, saying that it would scare away most people.

Good idea.  LLSBT's hate noise.  It draws attention to them which they don;t like.

I also have a great camera system which is why the one guy who DID burglarize me spent 2 and a half years in jail. Cops showed up, I showed them the footage, they recognized him, they took a copy on a USB drive to get a warrant, and the next day he was in jail. The detective said it was hilarious when the guy first denied it and they told him it was all on video, both inside and outside. You'd think the idiots might look around and notice the security cameras.

If they were smart, they wouldn't be criminals now would they?  Just sayin!!  jrSmiley_91_smiley_image.gif

A dog would be ideal, but they are just too high maintenance for me. I'm not home enough; it wouldn't be fair to the dog.

I love your honesty.  Too many people, think leaving a dog home alone all day while they're at work is being kind to the animal.  They give unconditional love and only ask for your time and companionship in return.  Leaving them all day is not giving them the little they ask for.

 
 
 
katrix
6.2.25  katrix  replied to  XDm9mm @6.2.21    3 weeks ago

I thought that at least in some states, you're required to get away if you reasonably and safely can. But I could easily be wrong.

You have a long paperweight which you might be able to use as a bat but not much more.

Possibly; on the other hand, my uncle's point is that if someone breaks in and hears that sound, and I'm in another room - he's likely going to turn around and leave if he's just there to rob me, before I can shoot him (through drywall even). Which in my area is by far the main risk. We don't have much violent crime and that which we do have is usually people who know each other. My uncle has tons of gun training, carry permits, all that so I trust his judgment. Besides - if I keep it locked up as I should for safety, how would I get to it in time?

When my burglar's cousin robbed my acquaintance's house, there was a loaded shotgun in the house - and that's why my acquaintance was almost killed when he walked in during the burglary. My burglar stole my shotgun, but if I had come home during the burglary, at least he couldn't have shot me.

And I have a REAL bat. So there. I can just throw that at him.

 
 
 
katrix
6.2.26  katrix  replied to  igknorantzrulz @6.2.22    3 weeks ago
pretty good shows, but not at the top of my list

I love Shinedown's shows. Although A7X is even better ...

 
 
 
XDm9mm
6.2.27  XDm9mm  replied to  katrix @6.2.25    3 weeks ago
I thought that at least in some states, you're required to get away if you reasonably and safely can. But I could easily be wrong.

No you're quite correct.  Some states have mandated that you're the criminal if your dare defend yourself or your property.   Of course, that does nothing for the law biding citizen, but a great deal for the LLSBT.

You have a long paperweight which you might be able to use as a bat but not much more.
Possibly; on the other hand, my uncle's point is that if someone breaks in and hears that sound, and I'm in another room - he's likely going to turn around and leave if he's just there to rob me, before I can shoot him (through drywall even).

That's going on the assumption that the LLSBT even hears it to begin with...  especially if you're in another room!

Besides - if I keep it locked up as I should for safety, how would I get to it in time?

Ergo, why some states requirements that all firearms be locked up and separate from the ammunition is a total FUBAR for the law biding.   Are you going to politely ask:  "Could you wait for a few minutes before you (fill in the blank) me so I might retrieve my firearm form the safe and the ammunition from another area and time to load and return?  Thanks so much for your consideration."

When my burglar's cousin robbed my acquaintance's house, there was a loaded shotgun in the house - and that's why my acquaintance was almost killed when he walked in during the burglary.

If one is not home, ALL firearms should be locked in a safe.  Period.  End of story.  Now, predicated on the circumstances, the firearm may or may not be loaded, but that's a personal choice and there is always great debate among people on that topic.

My burglar stole my shotgun, but if I had come home during the burglary, at least he couldn't have shot me.

Granted, but he could have beat you to death with it and stayed at arms length doing it!!

And I have a REAL bat. So there. I can just throw that at him.

Just hope he/she isn't a little league coach with experience catching the ever so often wayward bat being lost by a batter.

 
 
 
katrix
6.2.28  katrix  replied to  XDm9mm @6.2.27    3 weeks ago
That's going on the assumption that the LLSBT even hears it to begin with...  especially if you're in another room!

I have a small house. It would definitely be heard.

Granted, but he could have beat you to death with it and stayed at arms length doing it!!

My cats are named Slayer and Pantera. I think they would have handled it. Although since they'd be hiding under the bed, it would be a little more challenging for them.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
6.2.29  XDm9mm  replied to  katrix @6.2.28    3 weeks ago
Although since they'd be hiding under the bed, it would be a little more challenging for them.

Like my dog Lucy.  

If something goes 'bump in the night' and I get up to check, she being the wonderful guard dog she is, comes along and peers around me as I investigate.  I guess she's thinking "Don't worry dad, I got your back.  I'll tear him up if he gates passed you."

 
 
 
It Is ME
7  It Is ME    3 weeks ago

West Virginia Governor Jim Justice, (D) to (R)….. jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

" Sokath ", his eyes uncovered/opened ".

" Temba ", his arms wide/open ".

jrSmiley_9_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
katrix
7.1  katrix  replied to  It Is ME @7    3 weeks ago

And before that, he was an (R) who switched to (D). He seems to belong to whichever party he thinks will serve him best at the moment. Although maybe it's because he's really more of an independent; I can't really see why switching to Democrat would have helped him in the election. If he could beat the Republican nominee in the general, I would think he could have beaten him in a primary; and it's not like being a D is generally an asset in WV. The one thing I can't understand is how the United Mine Workers could have endorsed him after what his companies have done to our coal miners.

From Wiki:

he has proposed raising the state's revenue by $450 million, primarily by increasing the consumer sales tax, reinstituting the business and occupation (B & O) tax , and establishing a "rich man's" tax. [26] He also opposed plans to cut health and education spending

These don't sound much like GOP initiatives. We already lose a lot of sales to states like MD and PA who have lower sales tax, so raising them wouldn't exactly be popular. And our small business owners HATE the idea of the B&O tax.

 
 
 
It Is ME
7.1.1  It Is ME  replied to  katrix @7.1    3 weeks ago

With all that rhetoric you posted....what about what he is saying "TODAY" !

" Sokath ", his eyes uncovered/opened ".

Any thought ?

 
 
 
Greg Jones
7.1.2  Greg Jones  replied to  It Is ME @7.1.1    3 weeks ago

Where is Tanagra?

 

 
 
 
It Is ME
7.1.3  It Is ME  replied to  Greg Jones @7.1.2    3 weeks ago
Where is Tanagra?

Where Ever you want it to be !

"Kira at Bashi" – to tell a story.

 
 
 
katrix
7.1.4  katrix  replied to  It Is ME @7.1.1    3 weeks ago
With all that rhetoric you posted....what about what he is saying "TODAY" !

I've already talked about that.

 
 
 
It Is ME
7.1.5  It Is ME  replied to  katrix @7.1.4    3 weeks ago
I've already talked about that.

Not with me ! jrSmiley_87_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
8  igknorantzrulz    3 weeks ago

NICE

 
 
 
Ender
9  Ender    3 weeks ago
with their oppressive environmental regulations

So protecting the environment is oppressive?

So is that the new religious mantra? Fuck the environment as long as some can make a buck.

 
 
 
katrix
9.1  katrix  replied to  Ender @9    3 weeks ago

The people in coal country know the coal companies have destroyed their environment - and gotten rich by doing it. You can't even fish in many of those areas these days.

 
 
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