FOR THE FIRST TIME IN US HISTORY A SENATOR HAS VOTED TO CONVICT A PRESIDENT OF HIS OWN PARTY
With tears in his eyes, Mitt Romney announced moments ago that he will vote to convict President Trump of Abuse Of Power.
It is the first time in history a senator has voted to convict an impeached president of his own party.
In effect, Romney implied the evidence was overwhelming.
History will be on Romney's side and against the side of the other Republican senators.
Perhaps, there is actually ONE Republican, who puts COUNTRY ABOVE Party,
congratulations Mitt, for doing what EVERY SENTATOR should !
He’s just a Lincoln project never trumper jackass wanting to give democrats a stupid talking point. We disavow him as a Republican. He’s lower than a RINO now and might as well become a democrat.
How jackboot thuggish of you.
We disavow the current GOP as Jackboot dictator wannabees led by tRump who walks around like Mussolini and governs like the keystone Kops.
Your insult is unbecoming. That's all. If Romney is a never Trumper he would have swept the charges against Trump - so despite your misguided anger: Romney is nothing less than a republican senator who still has a conscience and a real faith in his God.
Shall we erect the statue to him in San Francisco amid the human excrement? (A fitting location)
Irrelevant. Laugh all you wish and do not get strangled on your spit. As for faith in God; what do you know about any of it, really?
Vic, clearly you are angry. Please take a walk and come back 'refreshed.'
Not!
Chuck Schumer just now , on the Senate floor
"You can't be on the side of this president and be on the side of truth"
He is correct!!!!
I hope the irony of the same Chuck Schumer who voted to acquit Clinton saying this isn't lost on you.
Mitch McConnell is speaking right now. Not a word about Trump is innocent , and showing an argument for that.
Just whining about the Democrats.
This short speech by McConnell serves as the final word by the Republican party on the impeachment. Nothing but whining about the process. They all know Trump is guilty.
There it is.
Wrong.
Historians will note that Romney campaigned on being more of a hawk on immigration that Donald Trump, yet has consistently voted against funding for the border wall. Historians will condemn progressives for a bogus impeachment and overwhelming hatred for half the country. Romney won't even make a footnote and it will be Utah voters who will ultimately deal with Romney when the time comes.
No fickle is your party. What about the "binders full of women" or the "dog on top of the car" or the "fat cat who cast off the 47%?" All of a sudden he is a hero because he stood with a bunch of haters who wrote up two preposterous articles of impeachment! (And he did it by giving 3 different reporters "exclusive stories")
It's funny to see. Romney, Democrats dutifully denounced as racist, sexist and "not one of us" (textbook othering) is suddenly the exemplar of principle.
And Romney was made for the part. Ask people what Romney stands for and watch what happens. I was once a volunteer for the Romney presidential campaign in 2012. I used to call people to ask them to vote for Romney. That is the question I was hit with all the time! It's the question the press currently never asks him. Instead they like to question him on all things Trump and he is all too willing to oblige.
Lol no doubt.
The whole "enemy of my enemy" gambit rarely ends well for the people who choose to use it but hey, they can have Romney. I for one was mildly surprised when Utah elected the carpetbagger their Senator but now perhaps he'll finally be honest with his constituency and switch to his true convictions.
Democrat.
And the only problem he would have with that is that he looks so much like a Republican!
Otherwise they would have the man who shut down Catholic adoption in MA - before Obama did it and initiated a functioning health care system in MA - also before Obamacare and went after the Nuns in MA over abortion (again before Obama did it). Then he saw an opportunity in Utah when the renowned Orin Hatch finally retired. He ran for and won Hatch's Senate seat. His first order of business was to write an anti-Trump op-ed piece in the Washington Post.
Remember how he groveled for the Secretary of State job? He didn't get it, did he? Chalk another one up for Donald Trump!
Yep, i'm just sorry i voted for the guy in 2012.
I was going to vote third party but after making that mistake with Perot in 92, i'll never do that again.
Don't feel badly about it. You had no choice.
Lol, i felt about the same about it that i did when i voted in 2016.
Although in retrospect the 2016 turned out much better than the 2012 one probably would have had he won.
That is true on so many levels. We had a revolution in the Republican Party. It is no longer the party of strict Conservatism. It is now a party of economic nationalism and one that no longer rejects big government, but instead harnesses it to further Republican policies. 2016 was a great turning point!
You forgot the aspersions they cast on his religion. Especially the underwear he wore.
mormon underwear
or magic underwear or Mormon undergarments [mawr-m uh n uhn -der-wair]
WHERE DOES MORMON UNDERWEAR COME FROM?
Mormon underwear refers to a conservative type of underwear, considered sacred, worn at all times by members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS), or the Mormon Church.
Ah yes, good times, good times.
Many Christians are very open about how they don't consider Mormons to be a Christian sect, as your example shows.
I'm not a fan of how the Mormon religion treats women - and I consider it close to abuse how they force their teenage boys to go door to door, trying to sell their religion and having to ask if they can help with yardwork. These two earnest Mormon teenagers showed up at my house last year in suits and ties. Once I said I wasn't interested in talking about religion, they asked if I needed any yardwork done. Can you imagine making someone in a suit and tie use my chainsaw to cut down trees, or to dig a hole, or whatever? Not only dangerous, but at the least would ruin their clothes. We just chatted about the area where I live instead.
Still, not my business as long as a person agrees to put the Constitution over their religion. If they can't do that, I won't vote for them.
Can you say: "Romney loves his God?" Go on, try it.
Wow! Look at you throwing a fellow Trump republican under the tires of your car! You will regret this attack upon the man, the next time Romney votes to let Trump have his way with the 'American' people! Try to be a little less predictable!
Some republicans are finding it challenging that a fellow republican and conservative has more integrity and grit than some others among them.
I've seen enough garbage from Trumpsters on this seed.
Locked.
The reason Romney is crying is that he just kissed his political career goodbye.
As for the rest of the BS.
Maybe the left should reread that statement a few million times until it sinks in! Then take a long hard look at Schumer and those Democrats still around in Congress from the Bill Clinton impeachment days. The hypocrisy might sink in sooner or later.
There is hypocrisy on both sides. Look at the parallels. Both parties just switched sides of the fence.
On that I agree 100%.
I can agree with you on that part.
The rest, not so much.
1) If the House Democrats had any morals or ethics they would have done their damn job and used the courts to compel testimony from witnesses. It is their job to vet witnesses and gather information for charges. By not wanting to go the correct route they violated their oaths of office.
2) House Democrats held closed door testimony and only leaked the parts that they thought would damage Trump. With no light of day to testimony, and restricting Republican access to ask witnesses questions- and not allowing Republican witnesses; their articles of impeachment were shot full of holes as defense council showed the full testimony tapes.
3) Trying desperately to change the rules of the Senate to allow not just witnesses; but new witnesses broke the precedent set by the Clinton impeachment. Where the Democrats fought tooth and nail for no witnesses. The agreement reached was no new witnesses, and no live witness testimony. All they did was play the House interview tapes of three witnesses in the Senate. Same thing that the Trump defense team did.
If I were a Republican I would have shot down their articles as well. I can't stand Trump; but right now he is the lesser of two evils. Usurping a duly elected president is unforgivable. It will be a very long time, if ever, I will be able to vote for another Democrat.
From what I have read the republicans were never restricted from the proceedings or asking questions. They asked many.
I don't care how many people wanted to hear from the Bidens, it in no way had anything to do with what donald was doing. That was only distraction and misdirection.
I agree that they should have taken it to the courts.
A vote for a republican is a vote for trump as it is his party now.
They also repeatedly said that there were 17 witnesses when there are 18. Schiff still hasn't released the basement testimony of his 18th witness, Michael Atkinson.
You call small things. I am old enough to have voted for Bill Clinton and to have voted against Al Gore because of Bill Clinton. I am old enough to have seen Donald Trump do what he is charged with doing. And, Donald J. Trump is NO Bill Clinton!
So you can rest BS in a deep hole. Romney is shredding tears because he knows that keep his life-long-established oath to God requires he break with fellow republicans and conservatives who call him continuously asking him to treat this ". . . so help me God. . . " as less than its meaning to the man.
And if there is hypocrisy, it hails from those so-called "so help me God" senators who hang tough together with a for-real menace to society!
Yes, Clinton was proven guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt; and Democrats still chose party over country.
With Trump all they had was second and third hand information, hatred, and TDDDS. Sorry that is not enough to impeach. Next time they need to do their damn jobs and go through the courts to compel witness testimony in the House.
The Clintons are every bit as scummy as the Trumps. But I will admit Bill Clinton is very likable. He is still a sleazy, slimy, sexual predator, who will do anything to get ahead.
As for Romney- TDDDDS is not just a disease on the left.
Romney has not hidden his absolute hatred of Trump for accomplishing something he couldn't- winning the White House. Romney's judgement on anything concerning Trump needs to be questioned.
We have a 'clutch' of cluckers in here too! HA!
Well, we're done *yawn* going on and on about this *stretching*. Wake me when something new comes up or just lock me in for safe-keeping and shut the door on your way out!
Good for him. Sad that other republicans tow the bullshit crooked/lying donnie spews forth
Never liked him but I will give him credit for not following party line.
The reason the right wingers and Trumpsters are all livid is because they understand that this means the evidence against Trump was overwhelming. If it wasnt , Romney never would have voted to convict.
This blows their argument that Schiff had some sort of unsupportable vendetta against trump out of the water.
This looks to me like something from a 'very stable genius.'
exaxtly! 👍👏🇺🇸🗽
Spin, Dennis. Spin.
Lookie at this asshole
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what took so long...?
Congress should put Don Jr's criminal activities under the microscope next.
That's not their job, John.
Why? Is he running for an elected office? Or, better yet, does he hold an elected or appointed office?
Depends on what the crime is.
You dont have to be in elected office to get investigated by Congress.
They would have to do some heavy mental gymnastics to make it even remotely plausible. "Witch Hunt" would start to sound much more plausible to non-partisans.
I deliberately gave you another option in comment 5.1.3 but you ignored it. Oh, well!
Well, I was being a little bit sarcastic originally, but it would not be beyond belief for Trump Jr to end up investigated. The Congress investigates wrongdoing that comes under their jurisdiction. Illegal activities by the Trump family would come under their jurisdiction.
Well, if Hunter Biden is investigated, I certainly hope Don Jr and Ivanka are as well. They've clearly used their father's position for financial gain.
It would be better suited somewhere like the Southern District of NY where the Trump Foundation was investigated.
Trumps flaunting of the Emoluments Clause IS being investigated.
Right on Mr. President. He’s a democrat now
Jr was not talented enough to sell his own books he had to have offers buy them in bulk. From a guy who can not be involved in charities because he violated the rules.
The apple does not fall far from the tree. . . .
Yawn .....
A never Trumper votes against Trump. A guy who the left hated when he ran against Obama. Bonne chance Mittster, they love you now ....
News at eleven if you can stay awake .....
If Romneny was voting in some sort of automatic fashion he would have been behind this a long time ago.
Nah, that he waited so long to announce what he was always going to do speaks to his lack of character.
He is a weak, angry little man
Just like a lot of Dems these days.
Another "very stable genius" has spoken, no doubt!
Maybe - after all, Trump made a mad dash for the Republicans because he knew he didn't stand a chance as a Democrat. Not that he has any more loyalty to the GOP than he did to the Dems.
That is what gets me most of all and a lot of people do not see. donald only has loyalty to himself.
he just wanted to try to divert momentum from Trumps awesome SOTU address.
You apparently are feeling bitter. Why so angry? Donald Trump did cheat before and tried to cheat again. Pattern-forming states he will try even harder now to cheat yet once more-even with all eyes watching him. Surely, you have heard the one about, "The definition of insanity. . . ."?
Romney is a man of conviction. Those stupid foolish senators put their hands on a Bible they SAY they confess and swore to God whom they SAY they serve! Now tell me how is God supposed to feel about them acquitting a guilty man named Donald Trump to set about doing more of the same? If God is real, then it is clear God saw this deliberate affront to God's name!
Your anger is misplaced.
Oh they see it alright. Donald Trump makes sure his party members know that he is 'the boss.' His retribution is swift, via social media. Twitter was not designed for this crap, but I can only wonder how this company feels taking profits for being home to a louse who ruins lives and careers everyday on their 'vehicle.'
Sorry but many on the left have had the market cornered on "angry" for the last three plus years.
Anyone who can't see that might be cornering the market in "denial" as well.
The only TDS I'm aware is of the tRump supporters Denial Syndrome.
There is nothing he can say or do, no matter how vile, that won't be supported by his supporters.
No surprise there.
Yet he demands undying loyalty form everyone else.
Yeah, that is all you got from @6.1.7. Go figure.
I understand. The truth does hurt and you are clearly in a lot of pain.
Projection is irrelevant. If I had any pain that you could do anything about—I wouldn't hold out hope you would do something about it.
Wrong again there buddy but i see you really do need to heed the advice of my last post or you can keep hating your way around this thread. Your choice but regardless, i am done with this futile discussion and here's to a great weekend or not. No matter to me ..... it's beer thirty and i gone ....
No kidding. The way they assassinated this guy's character when he ran would have been epic and memorable if not for the way they have gone after Trump. Granted, I think Trump is more deserving of the abuse. It's just so much more extreme, we forget how they beat up on a basically decent person.
Now they want to act like they respect him. Please!
It's perfectly possible to respect an action from a person but not approve of him overall.
No one respects tRump they tolerate him. They finally got an empty suit to sign their legislation ballooning our deficit. The PArty of fiscal discipline lacks all of it.
Tacos! knows this, or else s/he would not be so out of shape with Romney who was "just fine" on Monday and by the way, "just fine" on the obstruction charge with republicans and conservatives.
I'm not out of shape over Romney. I don't agree with him on everything and that's not new, nor is it unique to Romney. My comments are not about him, though. They are about the extreme fawning over him that I see today from the same people who characterized him as the devil himself for things like making a lot of money (legally), trying to employ women, or the way he transported a dog once.
The point being that the assessment of the man is not based on what he's actually doing or saying but on what is politically expedient in the moment. Democrats love Romney today because he's anti-Trump. Nothing more. They don't admire his integrity, his faith, or anything like that.
On the other hand, I have always found him to be a decent man and continue to think so today - even though I disagree with him on this particular issue.
We don't support a liar, cheater, and big-mouth abuser of the office of the president. Trump is changing y'all. Unless (clutches the pearls) some of y'all are just like him!
I'm a democrat and I don't want you to confuse anything I have written here yesterday or today for "love" of Romney. However, I can respect you or anybody else who can tell the truth from error. You can't guilt-trip me, nevertheless. I am better than that.
I know the deal. Romney is a better Mormon because he stands up for his religion. I am not a Mormon and I don't pretend to be one today or tomorrow. When people use the name of God, when people take an oath to God, then whatever God s/he believes in is invoked. And, it's a meaningful and defining moment for said person.
Good old Trump supporters. They eat their own whenever their own admit that Trump did anything wrong. If you're not a total sycophant, they destroy you.
Wow, the exact same thing can be said about the Democrats.
Seems short term memory loss has set in on how Democrats treated Tulsi Gabbard for voting present on impeachment? She was correct, the Democrats hadn't followed proper procedure and their articles of impeachment were flimsy.
Of course Hillary already called her a Russian asset; so piling on was easy.
Isn't politics fun?
At the very beginning of his remarks he said,
Dude.
Other than in a small handful of moderate senators, if you think you see "good faith" in any part of this process, you are a bigger imbecile than I ever imagined.
Beyond that, I respectfully disagree with his conclusion that the president needs to be removed based on Article I. I think reasonable people can disagree on that count. Romney made the argument that the Bidens' behavior, while unsavory, was not a crime and therefore should not be a concern to the president. I think the same might be said of Trump's behavior. I think much has been made of little. I also think assumptions have been made that are not warranted. Both are typical for the opponents of this president.
He didn't address Article II. I will be interested to see how he votes on that one.
What I read said that he would vote to acquit on Article II, convict on Article I.
Which speaks to the depth of Romney's faith and convictions. He stands for something—ultimately. Had it been possible for Romney to live with himself after going along with his party's bandwagon - from his sharing speech today he would have done just that gotten up on the wagon. He could not however for he strongly believed Trump abuse/s the power of his office. But, he allowed himself to accept political plausible deniability from Trump lawyers, Mitch McConnell, and all those he mentioned who came in waves to try to persuade him to take it (the political cover, that is).
Biden nor his son committed any offense, constitutional or otherwise. Donald Trump conspired to take advantage of this novice and new Ukrainian President to get him to out and out LIE about an investigation which ingloriously did not even need occurring. Trump wanted a 'talking point' in the bag in case the time would arrive he could use it to slay his lead political foe. Besides that, campaign finance law forbids a sitting president from using and acquiring international "oppo" research on his or her opponent.
You can close your eyes a thousand times and when you open them again the facts of the matter will still be unblinkingly staring back at you!
Maybe. Maybe not. That's why you ask someone to look into it. The energy with which people insist - without such an inquiry - that Biden did nothing wrong, just makes it look like they're afraid he actually did do something wrong.
I have not seen evidence supporting that he wanted President Z to lie. That's one of those unwarranted assumptions I mentioned.
Everybody in politics wants that. If you want to start acting like there's something wrong with that, fine, but you need to be criticizing a lot more people than just Trump.
Checking on one's political opponent is against our Campaign Finance Law:
What we insist on is that Trump supporters should understand that a sitting president, imbued with a supported teams of staff did not know about campaign finance law, and/or, continued to persist in violation of the same. Furthermore, to this very day, said sitting president does not repent or admit of an error in sending teams (scores) of people over to a foreign country in a shadow operation to get a novice new president of Ukraine to go to the nearest microphone and media outlet and state, whether real or fiction, that he had issued an order for the investigation of Joe Biden, a Trump opponent in the 2020 election campaign.
How was President Zelinsky going to investigate something known to everybody except conspiracy theorists and Russia as not happening? Trump had been told repeatedly that Russia interfered in our 2016 election. But as yo certainly know Trump was not satisfied with our intelligence—trusting what Russ a said about Ukraine (whom Russia is in a heated war with) more. Of course, Burisma (code for Bidens) was thrown in for personal benefit of Trump being able to denounce a political rival in the 2020 election cycle we are in now.
Tacos! It is plain for people with life time experiences to see, this was a conspiracy to advance a lie or set of lies to further Trump's political fortune and to destroy his leading opponent at the time. Trump wanted President Z to investigate what he in his high office should have known to be an out of proportion lie. Furthermore, Trump avoided all the legitimate means and tools of government to execute this properly with the help of the FBI and DOJ officials (besides AG Barr).
Everybody in politics (except Trump ) apparently understands what a campaign finance law violation is and chooses not to clandestinely do an elaborate end-run around the Rule of Law. Trump listened to "his people" and got himself in this deep, deep, mess or maybe just maybe Trump took his own counsel and did this to himself!
That. Is. Absurd. Every single person running for any office is checking on their opponent. Or at least they are if they care about winning.
Easy. He investigates it using resources he trusts until he is satisfied with the result. Trump has never been the guy who just takes "everybody's" word for it. That's his prerogative. That's why that stuff with Obama's birth certificate went on forever. Just because you, or Biden, or MSNBC or whomever you feel asking says there's nothing there, that doesn't mean he's obligated to accept that.
There is zero evidence of a conspiracy involving the Ukrainian president to advance a lie or set of lies. There is nothing in the transcript of their phone call to indicate that Trump was anything other than sincere in his comments about Biden. You might think he's insane or delusional - and he might very well be - but there is nothing there to indicate that he is lying or that he wants Zelenskyy to lie. There is also nothing to indicate that Zelenskyy has any intention of advancing a lie.
Then why hasn't this Ukraine business led to legal action based on campaign finance law? Why wasn't he impeached for violating it? With all the criticism that Democrats weren't impeaching him for breaking a specific law, why wouldn't the Democrats impeach him for that if "everybody in politics" understands it?
You do know, don't you , that Trump was totally disgraced by his involvement with the birther conspiracy theories?
You seem to be saying that Trump is not "obligated" to accept reality. He is the president of the United States . We need him to accept reality, and not send "detectives' into Ukraine the way he sent "detectives" to Hawaii on a wild goose chase after Obama's birth certificate.
I guess that depends on what you mean by "disgraced." He managed to get himself elected President of the United States of America, so it can't be going that badly for him.
Is anybody? I notice Democrats didn't do a very good of "accepting reality" after November of 2016, so I think there's plenty to go around of the problem you're concerned with.
Did you miss the theme that has been going on for a 'thousand years' now? Foreign involvement in our presidential elections is against the constitution and written law. Emphatically.
I don't bother trying to get into the tight spaces in Donald Trump's bloviated head. Now as for you: believe what you want. You can do better than Donald Trump; but I leave it up to you. 'Date,' and stay in a relationship with whom you wish.
You and your cadre (4) are not keeping up. Trump was impeaced on "All the above." AKA: Abuse of Power.
You really need to get some authentic news in your life!
Yeah, that whole exchange above was "heady" for me.
Please don't try to 'back-board" democrats in your jump-shot. Donald Trump is a dangerous 'leader' and a stupid offensive man. He really has no business in politics - because it is clear to anyone who has eyes that his perspective is republicans and conservatives are not his "betters," "equals," or constituents, you all are "The Enthralled!"
When any one in the Trump organizations comes to his or her proper senses and speak out immediately the Trump siege mentality is triggered: Trump, his boys, and "the Enthralled" curse and spit on that one.
Your relentless idea that it is just fine for a president to ask a foreign government to investigate his US election rival is simply strange. I can understand why people would argue he didnt do it, because they want to pretend.
Saying he did it but he was justified is another kettle of fish. Disturbing.
That is an incomplete representation of what happened. He asked that president to investigate a former Vice President of this country for actions he took as Vice President while in that country and related to events and people in that country. It would actually be weird if the president of that country was not consulted and I find it reasonable for the current president to take the lead on consulting him.
Oh, and that former VP happens to be an election rival. That doesn't excuse him from being investigated.
I don't think I have made a declaration about how justified Trump's interest is. I think Trump is probably reaching because - like many politicians - he is prone to conspiracy theories and eager to assassinate the character of his opponents. That is hardly unique to Trump. On the other hand, I do not fear the investigation he says he wants and I acknowledge that it is at least worth a look. "Investigate away!" I say.
The current popular insistence from the Left that there is zero grounds for investigating the Bidens is disingenuous at best.
IF that were true, he would have gone to the DOJ, not a foreign country. Biden's actions were part of official U.S. policy, not a rogue operation for personal gain as Trump's were.
Unbelievable isn't it?....................Rhetorical.
No, I think the way to go would be to do both. He said he was going to have the AG call President Z and I think he should have. I also think it was appropriate to talk him directly about it to begin with. I think it would be obnoxious to have our DOJ investigating goings-on in Ukraine without consulting the new president.
Your disagreement is with the U.S. Constitution and campaign finance law - not us. President Trump, even some republican and conservative senators positively admit, committed the illegal act of attempting to get international countries to interfere in U.S. elections, even though he applied so much pressure to those republicans and conservatives that it divided many of them from God ("So help me God." they said). However, they did not rely on God or faith, but Trump instead.
I have a hard time seeing how uncovering true information - without violating anyone's rights as Nixon did - constitutes interfering with an election. That sounds to me like something that happens in any election. Nobody had a problem with Trump or his campaign people being investigated by the government or whoever Hillary Clinton was soliciting for information.
Trump is president. That's all. He is supposed to be a model of good, purity, the "American Way," and specifically Rule of Law. He is not suppose to be the epitome of some thug looking for a street fight to sink in his teeth. But, I digress. Trump is impeached —he got that legally.
Why don't you get with the constitution and the founders? We do not allow foreign influence in our elections! And, we have campaign finance law (2002) which disallows a president abusing his or her power to ask foreign nationals to interfere in our elections, especially for remuneration or allocation of pre/authorized funds, resources, or materials.
For the first time in history, the impeachment managers fail to secure even half the votes in favor of removal.
Yes Trump has the clampdown on the Republican Party. I think they ask his permission to go to the bathroom now.
The party spies know everything there is to know about Trump republicans. Good, bad, and ugly. Oh yes, you better believe Trump has spies out and about looking over his 'kingdom.'
Yes, a political party always supports its own President.
Why would you expect anything different now?
Did you think the same of Democrats when Clinton was impeached?
Spin room, finally got up and fully occupied? Good Sean! Get to work!
What do you expect from a guy that makes his dog ride the roof of the car.
The dogs 🐕 are upset that he became one of them.
You do know tRump hates dogs.
..but not EXONERATED. No witnesses, no documents mean no trial.
Impeachments aren't meant to exonerate. The choice is to convict or not. That is all it is designed to do. And under Senate rules, it was a trial.
Those are the facts, and that will be what history records.
The Facts history will record will include how the Trump impeachment trial (Ie; the Republican whitewash/cover up), was the FIRST & ONLY impeachment trial in our Nations history to not allow witness or evidence to be introduced.
Witnesses have been part of "every other impeachment trial the Senate has ever had."
Tammy Baldwin
stated on January 19, 2020 in a TV appearance:
Yes, every past impeachment trial included witnesses.
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The historical facts will also record that the vote to impeach and remove a sitting President for the crimes he was proven guilty of was BIPARTISAN!
The vote to impeach and remove Trump included all of the Democrats, all of the Independents and, (for the first time in our Nations history), a member of the Presidents own party, the last honorable Republican Senator still in office.
Mitt Romney just did something that literally no senator has ever done before
The witness testimony from the House was entered into evidence. Politifact is, unsurprisingly, wrong. There testimony is just as valid as the three witnesses deposed in the Clinton impeachment, who also didn't testify before the Senate.
My statement stands as written.
I know how much stock Dems are putting into the whole impeachment thingy, but really, when you think of Clinton, do you automatically think impeachment?
Democrats are acting like this is the worst thing possible to happen. It isn't. It just isn't.
Big 'toothy' smile!
You are acting like its the worse thing that can possibly happen. We think Donald Trump trying to corrupt Ukrainian politics and the Ukrainian people - who have been through hell with Russia and national corruption- are pretty bad. We think delusional and enabling republican senators are pretty bad too!
..but not EXONERATED. No witnesses, no documents mean no trial.
So those 17people that sat before the House and the several more that were in Schiff's secret hideout were not witnesses?
What the hell was the House doing all that time?
That wasn't a trial. That was an investigation.
Seems to most Americans, that :investigation" was a sucky one.
Apparently....the "Investigation" fell SHORT !
FACT in point: The House wanted the Senate to finish their failed "JOB" !
Over 80% of American's wanted witnesses and documents in the senate trial. So after screaming about, "let the voters decide", they said, "fuck the voters, no witnesses, no documents".
How do you think that's going to play out come November? I am betting it be like an anchor around the GOP's neck.
tRump hates "Government" schools. This stems from the fact he would have failed in attending them.
Isaiah:
20 Woe to those who call evil good
and good evil,
who put darkness for light
and light for darkness,
who put bitter for sweet
and sweet for bitter.
You can't be serious. Politicians will flop to whatever is most expedient for them regardless of party. Party before god, country, and everything else- unless they are expecting to jump ship to the other side.
So now Romney is good? Seems the left has jumped ship. You need to go back and look at the way Romney was demonized by the left when he was the Republican candidate for president.
The left can have Romney- of course he better be watching his back for the knife they will put in it once they are done with him. He will last no longer on their side than Trump is in office. Maybe less time if he can't get reelected.
How did that vote work out for you? Trump is STILL your President and Romney is on his way out.
Weird... I thought the last spine in the GOP died with McCain. Nice to know that there is at least one.
romney is a member of the globalist swamp and now suddenly people are surprised by his votes?
y'all crack me up
The premise of the article is entirely false. Dozens of senators have voted to impeach a president of their own party. Look no further than the first.
It is refreshing to see that there is still one republican who can put his principals before party. To see someone of faith actually following the teachings of his faith. There is still one republican on capital hill who understood what it meant to take an oath to uphold the Constitution.
Republican leaders will be upset primarily because he is an example of what they are not, honorable. He has made them look partisan and self serving.
He may lose his seat when he goes up for re-election but his principals will remain intact and he can look himself in the mirror.
I wonder how many progressives, liberals, and Democrats have gotten over the fact that not even one Democrat could bring themselves to vote to remove Clinton.
And I'll bet that nary a one of them complaining today ever uttered one damn word against Democrats who voted ENTIRELY in lockstep.
Bunch of freaking HYPOCRITES.
Jesus Christ [deleted] I'm putting you on ignore. [deleted]
Normally intelligent people understand exactly what I write.
Is there anything I can do to help you with that?
Well since I'm intelligent you're correct, I understand exactly what you post and it's not "in my opinion". [deleted]
I am usually willing to help the less fortunate.
What exactly do you need?
I need you to help your fellow trumpies in finding the truth again.
Enough is enough - I've given you enough attention today. Run along and find someone else to pester.
Here is a few truths they already know:
Democrats worked on impeachment (according to the Speaker) for over 2 years, but could only find something to impeach Trump for in the last 6 months of the year past.
Democrats refused to let the courts decide on executive privilege.
Democrats put on a crappy case.
With the exception of Romney, the votes were along strict party lines---just like the last impeachment.
And last, and most importantly, Trump is STILL your President.
Wanna help me convince progressive liberals about these truths?
I'm being muzzled so I'm outta here. Enjoy your safe space. Cheers!
Lol .... is that what NT is?
Damn i gotta talk to someone about that last vacation i got then .......
And? Others have been impeached. Whoop-di-do. Democrats want to act as if impeachment is the end of the world for Trump. It won't affect him in any way that I can tell.
Mark my words--impeaching Trump will cost Dems more than it costs Trump.
No one is muzzling you. Can you not express yourself without violating site rules?
LOL. Some always think we are in dire straits whenever a Republican wins.
Facts tell us those folks are wrong.
Texan and the whataboutisms in life. Go figure. Next, you will be trying to persuade anybody who will 'listen' that a sex escapade is unconstitutional. Clinton was impeached: Perjury and Obstruction. Trump was impeached: Abuse of Power and Obstruction. Do a side by side comparison and get back to us.
Romney's vote is going to cause future political scientists and presidential historians to focus laser like on and deep-dive the Trump impeachment and its deficiencies!
R.T.B, you better believe that Romney will be closely scrutinized in history for this solitary vote. Alas, I can hear the conspiracy theorists already gnashing: "Romney voted Aye - just so he could be famous in time!"
Romney's vote is going to cause historians to focus in on and deep-dive the Trump impeachment and its deficiencies! Any other president would wilther under the scrutiny set to come Trump's way in history!
Well, to hear al the yahoos out on it, one would tend to believe that impeachment is the very worst thing that can happen.
I'm telling you that isn't so.
Impeachment without conviction and removal means just about nothing.
Just a political act.
Is Clinton withering under the scrutiny of his impeachment? He is still giving $500,000 plus shot speeches to those that wish to try to gain influence? Of course that influence is greatly diminished since Hillary lost; and so are his speaking engagements.
You don't think that Romney won't be subjected to the same treatment for his vote in history? His decision will be analyzed thoroughly; and he doesn't even have the party for cover.
Mitts father George, our former Governor here in Michigan and a good one to boot, is rolling around in his grave at his sons actions.
Hopefully Utah wises up and amends their constitution/code to allow for a recall vote.
"FOR THE FIRST TIME IN US HISTORY A SENATOR HAS VOTED TO CONVICT A PRESIDENT OF HIS OWN PARTY"
Just another one of those Liberal Media Hypes "FOR" someone "Liberals" used to Hate !
" We hated him ........ Now, we don't" !
Sounds very Bolton-ish…..doesn't it ?
And Comey-ish
So True.
The Dems "Hated" him too, until they didn't !
Good news Americans support the acquittal. From Reuters.
Poll: 43 percent of Americans back Trump acquittal, 41 percent opposed