Pompeo changes tune on Chinese lab's role in virus outbreak, as intel officials cast doubt - ABC News

  
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Pompeo changes tune on Chinese lab's role in virus outbreak, as intel officials cast doubt - ABC News
He first told ABC News' "This Week" Sunday that there was "enormous evidence" supporting that unproven theory, before shifting slightly Wednesday to say there's "significant" evidence, but the U.S. doesn't have "certainty" yet. But in interviews Thursday, Pompeo shifted again, telling a conservative talk radio host, "There's evidence that it came from somewhere in the vicinity of the lab, but that could be wrong." "We've seen evidence that it came from the lab. That may not be the case," he...

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After telling ABC News there was "enormous evidence," he now says maybe not.


By Conor Finnegan andJosh Margolin May 7, 2020, 9:48 PM 11 min read 11 min read Share to FacebookShare to TwitterEmail this article

Secretary of State Pompeo is leaning even harder into his attacks on the Chinese government over the novel coronavirus pandemic -- even as he further walks back his claim that the U.S. has "enormous evidence" a biomedical laboratory in Wuhan, China, is responsible for the outbreak.

The change comes as an intelligence official says there is no signals or human intelligence backing up the idea, while lawmakers press the administration to turn over any evidence.

The U.S. intelligence community is investigating whether or not the virus originated in a lab, but it "concurs with the wide scientific consensus that the COVID-19 virus was not manmade or genetically modified," the Office of the Director of National Intelligence said in a statement last week.

While Pompeo has said he doesn't doubt the intelligence community assessment, he has boosted the unproven theory the first human infection came from an accidental or intentional release at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. He first told ABC News' "This Week" Sunday that there was "enormous evidence" supporting that unproven theory, before shifting slightly Wednesday to say there's "significant" evidence, but the U.S. doesn't have "certainty" yet.

But in interviews Thursday, Pompeo shifted again, telling a conservative talk radio host, "There's evidence that it came from somewhere in the vicinity of the lab, but that could be wrong."

"We've seen evidence that it came from the lab. That may not be the case," he said in a second talk radio interview.

Republican Sen. Tom Cotton, a China hawk from Arkansas who has also boosted the lab theory, told Fox News this week that the evidence is "circumstantial," but "points directly to the labs." Asked about what kind of evidence the U.S. government has, Pompeo told CNBC Thursday, "One man's direct is another man's circumstantial."

U.S. intelligence officials have been more careful, including the ODNI statement, which made clear the virus's natural origins.

An intelligence official briefed on the situation told ABC News that there is so far no signals or human intelligence backing up the speculation that the lab was the culprit. It also doesn't appear any person or neighborhood connected to the lab became sick at the start of the outbreak, the official said.

"Sometimes political figures use the general term 'intelligence' to include raw reports that are not finished, analyzed intelligence. Raw intelligence is rarely conclusive on a specific topic. Picking one raw report to support a position can be misleading," said Mick Mulroy, a former senior Pentagon official under President Donald Trump and CIA paramilitary operations officer. "The intelligence community would not rely on one report for an assessment on an issue as complex as this. Their assessment would include intelligence from multiple sources and be peer-reviewed."

Reports from the closest U.S. allies have also cast doubt on Pompeo's statement. Known as the "Five Eyes," the U.S., United Kingdom, Australia, Canada and New Zealand cooperate and share signals intelligence, which intercepts signals like communications or radar.

"There's nothing that we have that would indicate that was the likely source," Australia's conservative Prime Minister Scott Morrison said of the Wuhan lab last Friday. Days later, the Australian newspaper The Sydney Morning Herald reported that the theory around the lab's role is "mostly based on news reports and contained no material from intelligence gathering," citing Australian intelligence officials.

"The fact that Australia came out so strongly that they do not believe the line that it all originated in a lab is significant," said Mulroy, now an ABC News contributor, because they're part of the "Five Eyes," "generally see all our intel" and are "well-known for the capabilities in China."

Members of Congress have pressed the Trump administration to provide evidence showing the lab's responsibility. Bob Menendez, the top Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said in a letter Thursday he'd been requesting a briefing by the department for a month now on "what intelligence, if any, the U.S. government has regarding the origins of the virus."

The top Senate Republican, Mitch McConnell, wouldn't back Pompeo's statement either, telling reporters Tuesday, "I don't think we know, except we know it was in China."

Instead of providing details of the "enormous evidence," Pompeo pivoted questions Thursday to demand transparency from China, saying the Chinese government's lack of transparency has halted any efforts to find out how that first transmission took place.

China still has not provided samples of the virus to other countries, instead having its scientists share the virus's genome online in January. It also shut down and sterilized the wet market in Wuhan, where live and freshly killed animals are sold and the virus might have originated, one month before World Health Organization scientists, including two Americans, were given access to the country. While some of those scientists traveled to Wuhan, neither American did.

Critics say brow-beating the Chinese government is not an effective way to get them to open up and provide WHO or other outsiders access to the Wuhan lab, the market or other possible sites. But Pompeo dismissed that again Thursday, telling one host, "We're not raising the rhetoric. We're simply trying to protect the world from a global pandemic by sharing what we know."

He went further on The Steve Gruber Show, setting up U.S.-Chinese relations as a generational challenge between different values systems and agreed with Gruber that China is "the most dangerous adversary for the United States and for all Western governments."

"The whole world can now see that this regime, this authoritarian regime, is just different than we are," said the top U.S. diplomat. "We can see the challenge this presents to our kids and grandkids, and we're determined. We're going to do the right things by building up our military. We're going to do the right things diplomatically."

"In the end, the Chinese Communist Party will have to decide: Do they really want to participate as a member of civilized society, the nations that work toward better outcomes for people all across the world, or are they going to do what we've seen?" he added.

This isn't the first time Pompeo has cast relations with China as a sort of clash of civilizations. He gave a major address last October when he said the Chinese Communist Party is "truly hostile to the United States and our values."

But he has escalated that argument and started to hammer it more often, especially in interviews with conservative media -- 28 of which he's done in the last three weeks -- and near weekly press conferences since March.


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JohnRussell
1  seeder  JohnRussell    3 weeks ago
He first told ABC News' "This Week" Sunday that there was "enormous evidence" supporting that unproven theory, before shifting slightly Wednesday to say there's "significant" evidence, but the U.S. doesn't have "certainty" yet. But in interviews Thursday, Pompeo shifted again, telling a conservative talk radio host, "There's evidence that it came from somewhere in the vicinity of the lab, but that could be wrong." "We've seen evidence that it came from the lab. That may not be the case," he...

If Pompeo backs up any more he'll be under the bus. 

 
 
 
bugsy
1.1  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @1    3 weeks ago

It is well believed that someone that works in the lab was doing testing on a bat from a DIFFERENT region that had COVID and contracted the disease from there. The poor guy in the lab unwittingly took himself and the virus to the wet market in question and spread the disease there.

It is flat out wrong that the media is pushing the notion that the right is trying to spread the idea that the virus ORIGINATED in a lab. It did not. It originated in a different region, carried by a bat brought to the lab from that region, then accidentally spread throughout the region.

Why does the left all of a sudden love communism, or is it all of a sudden?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
1.1.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  bugsy @1.1    3 weeks ago
It is flat out wrong that the media is pushing the notion that the right is trying to spread the idea that the virus ORIGINATED in a lab.

I'm not going to bother to post all the right wing stories that said it was created in a lab. 

 
 
 
bugsy
1.1.2  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.1    3 weeks ago
'm not going to bother to post all the right wing stories that said it was created in a lab. 

Those stories are coming from the left wing media to try and change the narrative away from China and towards Trump.

I don't believe any right wing media has claimed the virus has ORIGINATED in a lab.

It is all about context and the left wing media wants you to believe what they NEED you to believe.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.1.3  XDm9mm  replied to  bugsy @1.1    3 weeks ago
It is flat out wrong that the media is pushing the notion that the right is trying to spread the idea that the virus ORIGINATED in a lab.

I don't think anyone is actually pushing the concept that it "originated" or was developed in a lab.  Maybe by some extremists two brain cells shy of having a full deck, but that's about it.  SOME might have speculated it was an experiment on a virus that went awry.

It did not. It originated in a different region, carried by a bat brought to the lab from that region, then accidentally spread throughout the region.

That actually is the truth.  But, it also validates the point that is CAME from the lab, unwittingly and by poor management and lack of adherence to safety protocols, but it escaped from that lab none the less.

 
 
 
bugsy
1.1.4  bugsy  replied to  XDm9mm @1.1.3    3 weeks ago
it also validates the point that is CAME from the lab

And that is the word play the left is trying to use to say Trump and Pompeo are claiming the virus originated in this lab. Coincidentally s/, the Chinese are using the same narrative.

Everyone with a half brain cell knows the virus accidentally escaped from the lab via an unsuspecting worker who then transmitted to the market, and it goes on from there.

That's not what the media and China is feeding to the left wing lemmings.

 
 
 
Krishna
1.1.5  Krishna  replied to  bugsy @1.1    3 weeks ago
It is well believed

It is "well-believed"?

OK-- ya convinced me! If someone (or even several) people think its "well-believed"...why, that's irrefutable proof!

 
 
 
Krishna
1.1.6  Krishna  replied to  bugsy @1.1.4    3 weeks ago
That's not what the media and China is feeding to the left wing lemmings.

Yes, but what about what the media and China are feeding to the right-wing lemmings?

Actual interviews of some typical Ring-Wing Lemmings for your viewing pleasure:

Note: No Right-Wing Lemmings were injured in the making of this video.(And anyway if they were they're much too stupid to notice!)

 
 
 
Ozzwald
1.1.7  Ozzwald  replied to  bugsy @1.1.2    3 weeks ago
Those stories are coming from the left wing media to try and change the narrative away from China and towards Trump.

Trump contradicts US intel community by claiming he's seen evidence coronavirus originated in Chinese lab

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.1.8  Tessylo  replied to  Krishna @1.1.5    3 weeks ago

Well believed?  That's a new one!  Hilarious!

 
 
 
Krishna
1.2  Krishna  replied to  JohnRussell @1    3 weeks ago

He first told ABC News' "This Week" Sunday that there was "enormous evidence" supporting that unproven theory, before shifting slightly Wednesday to say there's "significant" evidence, but the U.S. doesn't have "certainty" yet. But in interviews Thursday, Pompeo shifted again, telling a conservative talk radio host, "There's evidence that it came from somewhere in the vicinity of the lab, but that could be wrong.

Next he's going to say:

We have evidence that the Virus originated somewhere. But then again-- maybe it didn't!

 
 
 
Split Personality
1.2.1  Split Personality  replied to  Krishna @1.2    3 weeks ago

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackbrewster/2020/05/10/a-timeline-of-the-covid-19-wuhan-lab-origin-theory/#2bbfc0905aba

TIMELINE

January 26 The conservative Washington Times publishes a report with the menacing headline “Coronavirus may have originated in lab linked to China's biowarfare program,”  which immediately gets global pickup.

February 16

Sen. Tom Cotton, R-Ark., becomes the first high-profile U.S. politician to raise the possibility that the outbreak “originated”— or, presumably, was created—in the Wuhan lab — while admitting there was no evidence to suggest  there was.

February 16

The Washington Post  finds experts who quickly dismiss Cotton’s suggestion, like Richard Ebright, a professor of chemical biology at Rutgers University, who says, “The possibility this was a deliberately released bioweapon can be firmly excluded.”  

February 16

Cotton clarifies his earlier remarks in a series of tweets —noting different possible  scenarios, from a man-made virus theory to a lab accident—though concedes that the virus originating naturally is “still the most likely” theory.

February 18

A group of 27 prominent scientists outside China publishes a statement in The Lancet  to “condemn conspiracy theories suggesting that COVID-19 does not have a natural origin“ and point out the research  “overwhelmingly” concludes the “coronavirus originated in wildlife.”

March 17

“We do not believe any type of laboratory-based scenario is plausible,” five prominent scientists write in a report published in Nature Medicine .

March 25

The Washington Times adds an update to its original story, noting that “scientists outside of China have had a chance to study the SARS-CoV-2 virus” and have “concluded it does not show signs of having been manufactured or purposefully manipulated in a lab.”

April 16

CNN and Fox News report officials inside the government are investigating the claim the virus was released from the lab accidentally as scientists were studying infectious diseases (the reports indicate the intelligence officials do not believe the virus is man-made or developed as a bioweapon.)  

April 18

The director of the Wuhan lab, Yuan Zhiming, denies any link between the virus and the lab in an interview with the state-run China Global Television Network.

April 18

President Trump says during a White House briefing that the U.S. government was looking into the claim the virus spread as a result of a lab accident and that it made “sense,” without citing evidence; during the same briefing, Dr. Anthony Fauci throws cold water on the claim, citing a study that found the virus’s “mutations” are “totally consistent with a jump of a species from an animal to a human.”

April 21

The theory picks up steam among other GOP lawmakers, and Cotton now pens an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal , writing: “While the Chinese government denies the possibility of a lab leak, its actions tell a different story.”

April 30

The New York Times reports that senior Trump administration officials, led by Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, pushed U.S. spy agencies to dig up evidence linking the lab to the origin of the outbreak even though most intelligence agencies remain skeptical of finding any evidence to support any link to the lab.

April 30

The Inspector General of the Intelligence Community releases a statement saying the intelligence community “concurs with the scientific consensus that the COVID-19 virus was not manmade or genetically modified” but added officials will continue to “rigorously examine emerging information” to determine whether the “outbreak began through contact with infected animals or if it was the result of an accident at a laboratory in Wuhan.”

April 30

During a White House event, President Trump says , without providing specifics, he has a “high degree of confidence” the virus came from a lab in Wuhan.

May 3

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo says on ABC News “This Week” that there is “enormous evidence” to support the theory that COVID-19 came from the lab, though agreed with the inspector general that the virus did not appear “manmade or genetically modified,” and would not say whether he thought it was intentionally released because the “Chinese Communist Party has refused to cooperate with world health experts."

May 4

A Chinese newspaper controlled by the government comes out forcefully against Pompeo’s claims in an editorial, writing that Pompeo had “stunned the world with groundless accusations.”

May 4

In an interview with National Geographic, Fauci says there is no evidence the virus was “artificially or deliberately manipulated,” that all signs indicate that the virus “evolved in nature and then jumped species,” and doubted that could have escaped the Wuhan laboratory.

May 5

During an on-camera press briefing at the Pentagon, Joint Chiefs Chairman General Mark Milley says “we don’t know” whether the outbreak began in a Chinese lab or a wet market, and added “the weight of evidence is that it was natural and not manmade.”

May 6

Pompeo seems to hedge his statements, now saying, "we don't have certainty," the virus leaked from the lab, even though "there is significant evidence that this came from the laboratory. 

Does not seem like left wing media doing it,  seem like STate, Justice  and the West Wing led by Trump.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
1.2.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Split Personality @1.2.1    3 weeks ago

It doesn't matter that the scientific evidence totally debunks the Republican's conspiracy theory, it insists on maintaining it in order to continue to deflect from the White House delays and mismanagement by continuing to direct the attention of the American voters onto China in the hopes that they are ignorant enough to believe them. LOL

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
1.2.3  Dean Moriarty  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.2.2    3 weeks ago

It appears Nikki Haley thinks the virus is the least of our concerns when it comes to China. 

  • Nikki Haley The Washington Post
  • May 8, 2020

"I tell you it is no use arguing with a Communist. It's no good trying to convert a Communist or persuade him." — Winston Churchill

As the Soviet Union was spreading its control over Eastern Europe following the Second World War, former British prime minister Winston Churchill was prophetic in his description of what it would take to outlast the Communist empire without resorting to war.

"The only thing to do," Churchill continued, "was to convince them that you have superior force ... and that is the greatest chance of peace, the surest road to peace."

At the time, Churchill's prophesy was unwelcome in the war-weary West. Still, successive U.S. presidents largely adhered to his advice. The Soviet Communists were never converted or persuaded. They were defeated, mostly without war, by superior Western economic, diplomatic and military power, and by a more determined and inspiring vision of humanity.

Today's challenge from the Chinese Communists must be seen the same way.

As in Churchill's time, most Americans don't want to hear about epic threats. We are weary of perpetual battles with terrorists and the massive dangers and disruptions associated with today's pandemic.

But such threats don't wait until we are ready for them. Like the pandemic, they arrive on their own timeline.

With lies and coverups, China continues to try to hide its responsibility for failing to disclose and contain a virus that began in Wuhan, is killing hundreds of thousands worldwide and doing untold economic destruction.

But deceit about the virus is not the worst danger Chinese Communism poses. It is just its most glaring symptom. A virus can start in any country. The threats coming from China do not come from any other country.

In the past month alone, China has brazenly expanded its reach. In Hong Kong, it has arrested leading pro-democracy activists and is attempting to criminalize criticism of the Chinese government. It is increasing its hostile actions in the South China Sea, which one-third of the world's shipping passes through. And the State Department has reported concerns about Chinese nuclear weapons testing in violation of the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty.

That's just the past month. China has a years-long track record of brutality and aggression.

Domestically, it has vastly enlarged its military capabilities, created an Orwellian surveillance state and forced more than a million of its minority citizens into "re-education" camps.

Internationally, it has stolen intellectual property at unprecedented levels, taken over United Nations' agencies such as the World Health Organization, exerted its leverage over poor countries with terrible debt deals and harassed its Asian neighbors, none more so than the free people of Taiwan.

The free world ignores this pattern at our peril.

From the 1970s through the Obama administration, U.S. leaders from both parties operated under the theory that as China grew stronger economically it would become more free and less aggressive, as had happened in other countries. However, in the case of China, that theory was disastrously wrong. As it gathered economic strength, China moved in the opposite direction, becoming less free and more aggressive.

Why was China different? Go back to Churchill's explanation. The Communist Party thoroughly controls China's military, commerce, technology and education. Everything its leaders do is aimed at expanding the party's power. It is why they ethnically cleanse minorities. Why they impose a surveillance state. Why they cannot tolerate freedom in Hong Kong. Why they insist they will take over Taiwan. Why they claim South China Sea territory that is not theirs. Why they steal intellectual property. Why they seek to dominate poor countries and international organizations. Why they expand their nuclear arsenal. China is a dangerously different power because it is steadfastly committed to a Communist ideology that views its system as superior and seeks its advancement in every way.

China is far from the U.S. homeland. But America's security depends on preventing distant powers from amassing enough strength to threaten us. In the past hundred years, we have stopped Germany twice and the Soviet Union for that reason. Now we face an expansionist Communist China whose economic power vastly exceeds anything the Soviets had during the Cold War. It is manifestly in our security interests to counter this threat.

This is not America's challenge alone; free countries must unite to face it. In the Pacific region, Japan, India and Australia recognize the Chinese danger. Our European friends have been slower to the cause, but Chinese duplicity on the novel coronavirus is waking them up. Developing nations that once bought into China's false generosity are now seeing through a clearer lens.

Focusing on China's reprehensible actions in this pandemic is necessary, but the virus is just a small part of the threats China poses. The sooner the world recognizes that, the better prepared it will be to stop it. And as Churchill noted, preparation is the surest road to peace.

Nikki Haley was the U.S. representative to the United Nations in 2017 and 2018.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
1.2.4  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.2.2    3 weeks ago
to continue to deflect from the White House delays and mismanagement by continuing to direct the attention of the American voters onto China in the hopes that they are ignorant enough to believe them. LOL

 hey, wait a minute.

Do you now realize how i stumbled upon my moniker, but unlike Lewinski, mine doesn't blow, but ones mind can get blown, trying to take in the number of ignorant, that will buy

n 2 this bullshit

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
1.2.5  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Dean Moriarty @1.2.3    3 weeks ago

Just out of curiosity, just what is the USA going to do about it? 

Nikki Haley has now proven that she can competently follow the guidelines in the O'Donnell Republican playbook designed to deflect Americans' attention away from Trump's mismanagement in the hope for his reelection.  It will be interesting to see if it succeeds and the American voters will be stupid enough in November to be led like sheep to the slaughter.  

As for Nikki Haley, I had thought she was an independent thinker...I was mistaken.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
1.2.6  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.2.5    3 weeks ago

I'm starting to wonder if Trump WANTED the virus to take the toll that it's taking in the USA.  It's common knowledge that when the USA is attacked, as were the examples of Pearl Harbour and 9/11, that the Americans put aside their political differences and come together to support the then present administration.  I'll bet he thinks that the more Americans suffer and he can blame China for it - i.e. point at a common enemy, it will assure their support for him in November.  I can hear John Lennon now, singing "Come Together".  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.3  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @1    3 weeks ago
If Pompeo backs up any more he'll be under the bus. 

As we learned from a certain spouse of a former president - evidence destroyed makes "certainty" almost impossible. The most we can expect at this point is certain circumstantial evidence, like the complete shutdown of the Wuhan Lab at the key moment. Otherwise we are left to wait for whatever comes from the CIA.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.3.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.3    3 weeks ago

"A private analysis of cellphone location data purports to show that a high-security Wuhan laboratory studying coronaviruses shut down in October, three sources briefed on the matter told NBC News. U.S. spy agencies are reviewing the document, but intelligence analysts examined and couldn’t confirm a similar theory previously, two senior officials say.

The report — obtained by the London-based NBC News Verification Unit — says there was no cellphone activity in a high-security portion of the Wuhan Institute of Virology from Oct. 7 through Oct. 24, 2019, and that there may have been a “hazardous event” sometime between Oct. 6 and Oct. 11."

nationalreview.com/corner/did-the-cell-phones-in-the-wuhan-institute-of-virology-go-dark-for-17-days/

 
 
 
JBB
2  JBB    3 weeks ago

Trump's is the most corrupt administration in history!

https://m.salisburypost.com/2020/04/29/letter-most-corrupt-administration-in-history/

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1  XDm9mm  replied to  JBB @2    3 weeks ago
Trump's is the most corrupt administration in history! https://m.salisburypost.com/2020/04/29/letter-most-corrupt-administration-in-history/

And who the fuck is Michael O'Connel in his "letter"

That you use that as the source of your inspiration is troubling.

 
 
 
bugsy
2.2  bugsy  replied to  JBB @2    3 weeks ago

What the hell is the Salisbury Post, and why should we care that some schmuck wrote a 3 line letter to the editor about their TDS?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.2.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  bugsy @2.2    3 weeks ago

Why should we care about what the right babbles about TDS on Newstalkers?

There is nothing wrong with a letter to the editor if it is relevant.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.2.2  XDm9mm  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.1    3 weeks ago
Why should we care about what the right babbles about TDS on Newstalkers?

Conversely, why should we care about what the left babbles mindlessly on a daily basis about the right and Trump on Newstalkers?

It would appear to me that the events of the last several days should put to rest the abject lunacy of the left in deference to the proper positions held by the right.

 
 
 
bugsy
2.2.3  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.1    3 weeks ago
There is nothing wrong with a letter to the editor if it is relevant.

Of course you think a letter that fits right into your TDS narrative is relevant.

 
 
 
squiggy
2.3  squiggy  replied to  JBB @2    3 weeks ago

Salisbury? Are those the people who took shitty hamburger and tried to pass it off as steak?

 
 
 
Krishna
2.4  Krishna  replied to  JBB @2    3 weeks ago
Trump's is the most corrupt administration in history!

Yes that is correct!

And its probably "well-believed" as well!

 
 
 
Nerm_L
3  Nerm_L    3 weeks ago

We know, with high certainty, that the SARS-CoV-2 virus originated in Wuhan, Hubei Province, China.  We know, with high certainty, that the outbreak was a direct result of unsafe practices in Hubei Province, China.  We know, with high certainty, that the Chinese government was unprepared to respond to the outbreak and mitigate the spread of the virus.  We know, with high certainty, that the Chinese government was not forthcoming with information concerning the severity or risks associated with the outbreak in Hubei Province, China.

We also know, with high certainty, that the Wuhan Institute of Virology was engaged in high risk research into human pathogens because the institute operates a biosafety level 4 laboratory.  

No amount of obfuscation by Chinese apologists can obscure what we know with high certainty.  The Chinese government is responsible for the global pandemic.  The unsafe practices allowed in Hubei Province, China, was not an accident.  

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
4  Buzz of the Orient    3 weeks ago

As yet another conspiracy theory designed to save Trump's reelection by deflecting his incompetence of ignoring warnings and flip-flopping his directions by pointing fingures, blaming and threatening, it's time to create a new one.  

As long as the O'Donnell Republican playbook is followed, and the American voters can be convinced that the ENORMITY of the American infection and death numbers (unbelievable in the world's number one country) and made to believe that it's all the fault of China, using the methods of finger-pointing, blaming, suing, etc. so as to detract them from how Trump has so obviously mismanaged the spread of the virus, then maybe the American voters will be naive, even stupid enough to reelect him. 

Yet ANOTHER example of the mismanagement and ignoring professional advice in order to direct all efforts to reelection instead of cure.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/05/08/coronavirus-top-white-house-officials-buried-cdc-report/3100903001/

 
 
 
Gazoo
4.2  Gazoo  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4    3 weeks ago

Hey Buzz, when does jinpinpingpong come up for re-election? Ohhhh that’s right, He’s dictator for life, or until he screws up really badly. The chinese people don’t get to decide. Even though it’s called the “peoples republic of china” it’s not really the “peoples” republic.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
4.2.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Gazoo @4.2    3 weeks ago

Following the O'Donnell playbook, I see.  Happy to see you're following directions in order to voice YOUR opinion.  Hey, I can vote.  I voted for Stephen Harper, but unfortunately he lost to Justin Trudeau.  As for your comment......

il_340x270.575417761_hxq5.jpg

 
 
 
Gazoo
4.2.2  Gazoo  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4.2.1    3 weeks ago

Yeah, i agree, trudeau is an embarrassment.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
4.2.3  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Gazoo @4.2.2    3 weeks ago

At least we agree on SOMETHING.  LOL

 
 
 
Gazoo
4.2.4  Gazoo  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4.2.3    3 weeks ago

I’m sure there is more we agree on than just that. 👍

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
4.2.5  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Gazoo @4.2.4    3 weeks ago

You're probably right.

 
 
 
sixpick
4.3  sixpick  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4    3 weeks ago

Buzz, you sure have changed.  You may notice I'm posting of my own free will to say whatever I choose to say.  Isn't that nice that I'm free to do that?

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It's not the Chinese people we detest, it's the Chinese Communist Party.  Although life may seem to be wonderful for some in China, just let them post this video in China and see what happens to them.  We still have the freedom to speak our minds, if not always on this site, we have it in everyday life and in this country and that is something the Chinese Communist Party detest along with many of our friends on the Left in this country.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
4.3.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  sixpick @4.3    3 weeks ago

Well, sixpick, I haven't changed, and I'm posting this of my own free will as well, but you think that because I am unhappy about Trump and the antics of the Republican Party, I have changed.  Trump is not nor ever was MY president, and the Republican Party is not my party, and I never owed either any loyalty, because as I have had to make it crystal clear with my avatar, I don't owe any such loyalty or support.  Previously I did not criticize Trump, to the extent that I was being called a Trumpster because I was happy he was exceptionally supportive of Israel, and he had not done me any harm.  

It was Trump who changed.  He bullied Trudeau into giving up some Canadian rights in NAFTA, which affected the conversion rate of the Canadian dollar, and that cost me money.  He started a trade war that made things more expensive for me and that cost me money.  I live on a government pension, so I don't have excess income to survive on.  Those things hurt me.  Then, notwithstanding the world being warned years ago not to attach geographical or government names to diseases or viruses, he started with the "China virus", the "Wuhan Virus" and who started with "Kung Flu"?  He endangered Chinese people not just in America but around the world, and I have a right to be defensive of Chinese people, I'm married to one, and my stepdaughter is studying in Germany and I'm worried about her safety, so why shouldn't I hate that bastard, and if Americans are so blind that they can't see his game plan of pointing fingers and blaming others, and Republicans are following the O'Donnell playbook for deflecting Trumps faults onto others and suing China in the hope of his reelection then come November they'll deserve what they get.  

Now, for the "China Communist Party Virus" video - oh, you mean it's not coronavirus, or covid-19?  Don't give me that shit about "Least biased" with naming the virus that for the same reason I said above. As well, don't underestimate my ability to understand how a news report can make some factual statements that cannot be denied interspersed with using verbiage for even more deadly comments, words like "may have" "it is believed" "it seems" "it appears" "could be"  and think that I'm fooled.  I was the Editor-in-Chief of my university newspaper for almost two years and I know damn well how language can be used to steer people's thinking.  And when it comes to hearsay, what a truck driver told a journalist who told a......I'll take that with a grain of salt.  The opinions voiced on that video are countered by the opinions of other experts so who's right?  As for numbers, I'm in China, and I will go with what I have seen for myself and what two doctors who were on the front lines in my area have told me - one is a very good friend and there is no way he would lie to me.  They both back up the official figures for the city-state in which I live, Chongqing (during WW2 known as Chunking, where the American Flying Tigers were based) a 32 million population and there were 579 cases, 6 deaths, and all else recovered, and NO NEW CASES for more than two months unless the odd one shows up because of someone coming from somewhere else. If those kinds of numbers are incorrect and the numbers are actually as great at the conspiracy theorists say, then SOMEONE in my extended family or in the extended family of any of our friends, or anyone we know of or would be told of would have had to have been infected.  NONE OF THEM WERE.  If I extrapolate those numbers, those ratios, then It's a little difficult for me to believe that the numbers in China are anywhere close to the ones in the USA or the ones others are accusing China of hiding..  

Perhaps you've missed that I've posted on this site more than once, more that twice, that I do believe there was an initial cover-up, and a silencing of whistleblowers, but I've also speculated about reasons, whether it was simply lack of communication, saving face, honest mistakes, stupidity, misunderstanding of the seriousness of the virus, but I do NOT believe the conspiracy theories that it was deliberately done to cause harm to other nations - it caused plenty of harm right here.  It would be like my being angry at my wife and cutting off my hand to teach her a lesson. Does that make sense to you?

I watched your video, but why would I play your video to others? I'm happy here. I obey the laws and the customs and I'm as free as I need or even want to be. You're proud that you can get up on a soapbox with a bullhorn and criticize your government - so what?  That makes you happy?  Why would I even WANT to do it?

sixpick, you're still my friend (I hope) and I hope you are careful and follow the guidelines strictly as everyone has done where I live, and stay well. 

I can't believe I bothered to write all that.  I swore I've given up trying to be reasonable 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
4.3.2  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4.3.1    3 weeks ago

I can't believe I bothered to write all that.  I swore I've given up trying to be reasonable 

feel your pain, as it's sometimes like talking to a wall, but the foundation upon which their arguments restand fall is not as stable as that wall,(Mexico will buy build and pay for) as it rests on a crumbled found nation, based / meant to deceive those oh so willingly and easy to deceive without sight to relieve the enlightenment blocked, by a blurred vision, leaving the rest of US Focked, as we are and should be, currently

Mocked

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
4.3.3  FLYNAVY1  replied to  igknorantzrulz @4.3.2    3 weeks ago
feel your pain, as it's sometimes like talking to a wall

I prefer...."Like bouncing marbles off a sidewalk..."

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
4.3.4  igknorantzrulz  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @4.3.3    3 weeks ago

breakin bad glass balls under de feat

 
 
 
Krishna
4.3.5  Krishna  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4.3.1    3 weeks ago
I was happy he was exceptionally supportive of Israel

And as most people who follow Trump's antics are aware-- that could shift in an instant.

He has never hesitated to turn on some of his closest allies when the mood suits heim...and to "throw them under the proverbial bus".

And, of course, that applies to nations as well-- he has turned on many of our best and longest allies (while, ironically, heaping praise on the likes of Vladimir Putin, the dictators of North Korea, etc).

 
 
 
Ender
4.3.6  Ender  replied to  Krishna @4.3.5    3 weeks ago

I actually watched an episode of the Apprentice one time. At the end of the episode when it was time to eliminate someone, he looked at one man and basically said, I like you, you should be here. Less than five minutes later he sent him home.

I guess my point is, even back then it was well known that his word is shit. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
4.3.7  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna @4.3.5    3 weeks ago

I'm happy that he moved the Embassy to Jerusalem, where it belongs, (Biden has announced he will not move it back to Tel Aviv) and that he recognized Israel's sovereignty over the Golan, and has not disputed the settlements, but as far as I'm concerned, his "Deal of the Century" is nothing more than a joke, because the Palestinians will NEVER accept it or anything like it.  They will not even sit down to negotiate unless they either get the whole thing, or the right of return of all so-called "refugees" which, because Israel is a democracy, would turn Israel into an Arab/Muslim state, if not immediately, then very soon.  

 
 
 
sixpick
4.3.8  sixpick  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4.3.1    3 weeks ago

Buzz, I'm not going to hit you back.  I'll never turn against you.  I'll always be your friend, if you let me, no matter what.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
4.3.9  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  sixpick @4.3.8    3 weeks ago

jrSmiley_34_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
sixpick
4.3.10  sixpick  replied to  igknorantzrulz @4.3.2    3 weeks ago

Oh, the wall.

Some people love this country and some people hate this country.  Some people want this country to become a third world country and some don't.  Didn't you hear Hillary say accepting an election was what separated us from other countries.  You know she was talking about third world countries.

We don't want a third world country.  I'm speaking for myself and other Americans that love this country.

 
 
 
sixpick
4.3.11  sixpick  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4.3.9    3 weeks ago

Buzz, I typed my comment several different ways to start with.  The first one was also including that I would be addressing comments below ours, not yours.  jrSmiley_2_smiley_image.png

 
 
 
sixpick
4.3.12  sixpick  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @4.3.3    3 weeks ago

Fly, are you still over there in Germany where the Obama Administration spied on Angela Markel by tapping her phone?  He tapped or spied on about everyone, the Tea Party, Associated Press, Fox News and many others.  You're a smart fellow.  Sit back and learn something.

 
 
 
Ronin2
4.4  Ronin2  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4    3 weeks ago

Nothing changes the fact that China failed to contain the virus, and lied about the severity.

Also, you assume China, North Korea, and others aren't lying about the numbers killed in their countries because of the virus.  Because they have all proven to be so damn truthful in the past./S

 
 
 
Dulay
4.4.1  Dulay  replied to  Ronin2 @4.4    3 weeks ago

Nothing changes the fact that Trump failed to contain the virus, and lied about the severity.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
4.4.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Dulay @4.4.1    3 weeks ago

jrSmiley_13_smiley_image.gif  . I couldn't have said it better.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
4.4.3  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Dulay @4.4.1    3 weeks ago

It's like I've said before..... It's all fine and dandy to figure out who was playing with the matches, but best to fight the fire first! 

The Trump Fluffers are doing their best to distract from the fact that the fire is still burning out of control, and all their hero has brought is a gas can to help put it out with. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
4.4.4  Sean Treacy  replied to  Ronin2 @4.4    3 weeks ago
 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
4.4.5  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.4.4    3 weeks ago

China will get it's up and comings for this virus for sure..... but again Sean, you continue to cast a blind eye to the immediate problem to America and Americans with the biggest detriment being the incompetence in the White House.  

 
 
 
Dulay
4.4.6  Dulay  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @4.4.5    3 weeks ago

The dire attempt to deflect to China begs the question:

Are they claiming the China only lied to the US? 

Because it sure as hell looks like there are dozens of countries all over the world who have dealt with COVID-19 MORE effectively than the US and as far as I can tell, they had the SAME information from China as the US did. 

In fact, the US had the advantage of their experience to help us address COVID more effectively. So why are the US's numbers exponentially higher than anywhere else in the world?  Countries with more populous cities and higher density of population are doing better. South Korea and Japan are examples of that fact. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
4.4.8  Sean Treacy  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @4.4.5    3 weeks ago

China will get it's up and comings for this virus for sure.

No,  it won't. Just like China  didn't the last time it lied  about a virus. China aleady censors Hollywood movies, and our news disseminators like Google and Apple are in bed with the CCP and help China oppress it's population. After this is over,the powers that be who are financially intertwined with China will say "it's time to move on" and "focusing on the past won't help build a better  relationship moving forward" while the more shrill will of course cry racism at any hint of criticism of China. So as it was, so as it will ever be.

ntinue to cast a blind eye to the immediate problem to America and Americans with the biggest detriment being the incompetence in the White House.  

The Spanish flu epidemic 100 years ago was orders of magnitude worse than the current crises, particularly when population size is considered. Yet President Wilson never addressed it publicly to my knowledge. Because Americans then didn't look to the Presidency as a religous figure with mythical powers to blame or cheer when things out of his control happened.  We've gone back in time when the King is to blame because of a drought. As a country we gone from believing in a God to believing in a Presidency with divine powers. 

Despite the hysterical yammerings of the left Trump is not a dictator who rules by decree with the power to micromanage nursing homes in New York. The powers of the Presidency are limited . Trump couldn't order the governor of New York to close the bars on one of the busiest weekends of the year (Saint Patrick's Day) as the virus was exploding. That's on the local government of New York. You know, the same Governor the liberal media can't stop praising.  

The only chance the government had to "stop" the virus was to declare martial law, cut off New York  before it seeded the rest from the country. Maybe, if the Govt had done that in very early March, we would have been able to quaratnine the other cases. But that, of course, would have been politically impossible when the government  of NEw York was telling people to go about their daily lives normally and attend large Chinese New Year celebrations to "defeat racism" or whatever.  

Luck, demographics, population density, climate are driving the spread of this virus. Although it's one of our pyscological blind spots as a species, we don't have the power to control everything. Trump can't control those things. Six weeks ago, Singapore was one of those "model" countries who were doing everything right while Trump supposedly did everything wrong. Now the people of Singapore are infected at about the same per capita rate as Americans. Their  policies didn't change. Their luck did.   If luck didn't matter, we'd all be following the lead of Belarus, whose President told his citizens to drink vodka and take saunas, since  Belaurs has "handled" cornoavirus 5 times better than the universally praised German response per the numbers

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Dulay
4.4.9  Dulay  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.4.4    3 weeks ago

From your link:

The call between Xi and WHO chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus took place on January 21, according to Der Spiegel .

On Jan. 22, the WHO released a report that stated:

On 20-21 January 2020, a World Health Organization (WHO) delegation conducted a field visit to Wuhan to learn about the response to 2019 novel coronavirus (2019-nCOV). 

[snip]

Data collected through detailed epidemiological investigation and through the deployment of the new test kit nationally suggests that human-to-human transmission is taking place in Wuhan. More analysis of the epidemiological data is needed to understand the full extent of human-to-human transmission. WHO stands ready to provide support to China to conduct further detailed analysis.

https://www.who.int/china/news/detail/22-01-2020-field-visit-wuhan-china-jan-2020

Doesn't look like this alleged phone call had any effect. 

 
 
 
Dulay
4.4.10  Dulay  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.4.7    3 weeks ago

Point? 

The data shows that BOTH are doing a better job of addressing COVID. 

Oh and BTFW, South Korea and China have almost universal testing, tracking and enhanced surveillance which allowed them to recognize the uptick immediately and react accordingly. The US has NONE of the above. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
4.4.11  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @4.4.10    3 weeks ago
The data shows

Who's data?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.4.12  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.4.8    3 weeks ago

Trump's political disaster is not that he let the virus take hold in the US, that was almost surely out of his control. His disaster is that he did not use the federal government to set up testing, develop testing, acquire the PPE, distribute the PPE, and show the proper concern for the health and welfare of all the people. 

Trump repeatedly belittled the danger, and was slow to nonexistent in setting up testing, and in demonstrating he was doing everything he could to get the needed PPE. 

Trump wanted this to me a minor glitch in his re-election year, not a BIG DEAL. So he minimized everything that was associated with the pandemic until it had spread so much he could no longer minimize it. 

The conclusion the majority of Americans have reached is that he is dishonest and incompetent. Very doubtful he can get that back in the bottle. 

Trump has congratulated himself over his virus response hundreds of times. It isnt even a mentally sound way to behave. Of course voters see all this. 

 
 
 
Dulay
4.4.13  Dulay  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.4.8    3 weeks ago
Yet President Wilson never addressed it publicly to my knowledge. Because Americans then didn't look to the Presidency as a religous figure with mythical powers to blame or cheer when things out of his control happened. 

Actually, it was more because of the fact that the ' Committee on Public Information' controlled the narrative and much like Trump, lied to the public. 

Dayhoff: Government censorship made the 1918 Spanish flu even worse

https://www.baltimoresun.com/maryland/carroll/lifestyles/cc-lt-dayhoff-032220-20200320-wmahqlv3drbghpv2hziglq4jny-story.html

 
 
 
Dulay
4.4.14  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.4.11    3 weeks ago
Who's data?

Johns Hopkins'. Do you have a better source? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
4.4.15  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @4.4.14    3 weeks ago

Please post it.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
4.4.16  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @4.4.5    3 weeks ago

I just needed to see these words in that report: " it is claimed."  jrSmiley_82_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
sixpick
4.4.17  sixpick  replied to  Ronin2 @4.4    3 weeks ago

Ronin2, they won't like this, but I imagine more people died in China because of the virus than by the virus.  There were a lot of videos circling around early on that I doubt anyone here has even seen and the techniques used to subvert the virus would not be accepted here by anyone.  Some in this country would deny it even if they did see the videos.

 
 
 
sixpick
4.4.18  sixpick  replied to  Dulay @4.4.1    3 weeks ago
Nothing changes the fact that Trump failed to contain the virus, and lied about the severity.

Oh, I love this one.  Maybe you should look at this video.  It's been up.  You must have missed it.  January 23, 2020 information became available the CCP had been denying the world.  January 31, 2020 Trump was heavily criticized and called a lot of bad names by the Left, which includes most of the Democrat Leadership for banning or restricting travel from China to the USA.  It wasn't long after that he did the same for Europe and received the same criticism from the Radical Left in this country and Europeans as well.

I'm not blaming this on Trump and you shouldn't either.  When they keep propagating the idea the USA had more infections and deaths than any other country in the world, they neglect to be honest and tell it like it is, the USA has at least 5 to 6 times as many people as any of those other countries.  When examining it that way, we actually have far less than most of them per 100,000 people infected and who have died.

Here's the video.  You'll notice March 10, 2020 De Blasio was telling everyone to get out and have a good time.  How long was that after January 31, 2020.  And Pelosi was singing "Please come to Chinatown".

Don't forget Cuomo had required rest homes to take Coronavirus patients whether they were proven to have the virus or suspected to have the virus.  There's a video here and an article from your "Newspaper of Record".  Check them out.

The Huge Cost of Waiting to Contain the Pandemic

As the numbers show, the timing of social distancing can have an enormous impact on death tolls.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/14/opinion/covid-social-distancing.html?auth=login-email&login=email

Don't forget they say most of the spread in the USA came from NY, basically NYC.

No one really knew what we were in for with this virus.  I'm not blaming De Blasio, Cuomo or Trump.  The main thing it appears about this virus is it is very contagious.  I made a comment some time back about herd Immunity and basically, that is what I believe is our only solution at this time, unfortunately.  I hope we come up with a vaccine as I'm sure many do, but it seems many would prefer it to be after the election, unfortunately.  Sick.

Pay attention to the dates.

 
 
 
sixpick
4.4.19  sixpick  replied to  JohnRussell @4.4.12    3 weeks ago

Fauci: Neither Trump nor CDC to blame for testing delay

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/487985-fauci-neither-trump-nor-cdc-to-blame-for-testing-delay

Pay attention to this next video.

H1N1:

You'll see Obama twice in the video, once in April and then again it September.

You'll also see the first question he was asked about H1N1 and you'll see his answer.  If Trump had given the same answer, you would be criticizing the hell out of him.  In fact, it wouldn't have made any difference how Trump answered the question.  You'd still be criticizing the hell out of him, because the only thing the Democrats want is to win the election and everything about Trump has to be criticized in order to spread the propaganda as far and wide as the Democrats can, hoping some of it will take hold.

By the way, Obama had a real advantage, even if he didn't do anything and the testing was only about 60% effective in diagnosing H1N1.  They even stopped it in June for the few places they had used it.  A British company was the first one to come up with a vaccine and it wasn't used until the end of the year.

Trump had the disadvantage of having the CCP lie for over two months denying the rest of the world of the true nature of COVID-19, shutting off Wuhan, but still allowing international flights out of Wuhan to all these other countries.

If Obama had done the same way with this virus, not knowing it could take up to two weeks to even become evident someone had it and in the majority of cases people could have it, spread it and get over it without even knowing they had it, it would have been every bit as bad as it has been.

H1N1 was discovered in California and Mexico.  There was no two to three month time no one even knew about it.  It wasn't coming into this country through NYC.

 
 
 
sixpick
4.4.20  sixpick  replied to  Dulay @4.4.9    3 weeks ago

Doesn't look like this alleged phone call had any effect.

The virus was around in Wuhan no later than the middle of November 2019, classified material states.  It was probably around longer than that.

At some point the CCP cut off the rest of China from Wuhan, but not international travel.  Europe got it and we got it without even knowing.  Strange flu lie symptoms, then it broke out.  As the videos state and as Fauci states it was not Trump's fault and with the small number in the beginning, if Obama had treated it the way he treated H1N1 when it only had a small number, he would have not done any better, except the MSM would have played it down

I'm sure they had no problem playing the number of deaths down as well not taking every death as being corvid-19 as it has been told by many in the who should know by being there.

 
 
 
dennis smith
4.4.21  dennis smith  replied to  Dulay @4.4.1    3 weeks ago

Initially it was predicted that there would be between 1 million and 2+ million deaths in the US. It is now at 80K and projected to peak at about 130K.

Saying Trump failed to contain the virus is nonsense.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
4.4.22  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @4.4.14    3 weeks ago
Johns Hopkins'. Do you have a better source? 

“‘There is nothing from the CDC that I can trust’. ........Dr Birx

https://www.dailywire.com/news/dr-birx-nothing-from-cdc-i-can-trust


“Birx and others were frustrated with the CDC’s antiquated system for tracking virus data, which they worried was inflating some statistics — such as mortality rate and case count — by as much as 25 percent, according to four people present for the discussion or later briefed on it."

 
 
 
Dulay
4.4.23  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.4.15    3 weeks ago

Seriously? Are you incapable of searching Johns Hopkins on you computer Vic? Trump's task force has mentioned their dashboard more than once. Enlighten yourself. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
 
 
Dulay
4.4.25  Dulay  replied to  sixpick @4.4.18    3 weeks ago
Pay attention to the dates.

Nope, I don't listen to Limbaugh. He's a lying narcissist, much like Trump. 

You blather about January and ignore what Trump did [no worries, it'll disappear] and didn't do [anything] in January OR February OR much of March.

BTFW, 40,000 came into the US from China during Trump's 'ban' on travel from there. Only one in ten was screened. How'd THAT turn out?  

All you need to do is the day to day growth of confirmed cases to see how many we had during that time. Then look at the fact that each one of those people infect up to 3 more people. By the end of March we were screwed and ALL of that is on Trump. 

Hell, they just had a hearing in the Senate and admitted that they STILL don't have enough tests to this day. Oh they 'promised' millions of test just like they did in February and March. It was bullshit then and it's bullshit now. 

 
 
 
Dulay
4.4.26  Dulay  replied to  sixpick @4.4.20    3 weeks ago
The virus was around in Wuhan no later than the middle of November 2019, classified material states.

Gee sixpick, I didn't know that you were authorized to review and disseminate classified material to us peons. /s

Why are you blathering about Obama? You're uninformed and your comments are delusional. 

Seriously, address Trump's actions if you can. 

Oh and if you could try to be cogent in the future I'd appreciate it. 

 
 
 
Dulay
4.4.27  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.4.22    3 weeks ago
"There is nothing from the CDC that I can trust’.........Dr Birx

I didn't ask you for a source that was WORSE, I asked you for a source that was better than Johns Hopkins. 

 
 
 
Dulay
4.4.28  Dulay  replied to  dennis smith @4.4.21    3 weeks ago
Initially it was predicted that there would be between 1 million and 2+ million deaths in the US.

That was the British model and the data reflected death predictions without ANY mitigation. Luckily, few Governors followed Trump's 'it'll disappear' scenario and took action. Trump had little if nothing to do with how Governors mitigated the spread of the virus in February and March. 

Trump's 'guidance, suggestions and guidelines' changed so often they caused whiplash. They're STILL trying to bury information Agencies are trying to put out to help Americans get a handle on this. 

 
 
 
Dulay
4.4.29  Dulay  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.4.24    3 weeks ago

I've had it bookmarked for over a month.

It's the place were inquiring minds go to get facts about COVID-19 data from around the world...

 
 
 
Krishna
5  Krishna    3 weeks ago

Yet ANOTHER example of the mismanagement and ignoring professional advice in order to direct all efforts to reelection instead of cure.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/05/08/coronavirus-top-white-house-officials-buried-cdc-report/3100903001/

Hear! hear!

 
 
 
The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen"
8  The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen"    3 weeks ago

This story is a disgrace and has been debunked entirely.

As far as we can tell, this claim in the tweet above is tied to this quote from Sec. Pompeo appearance on ABC’s “This Week” where he said, the” best experts so far seem to think [COVID-19] as man-made” before quickly clarifying his remark. Via   Reuters   on May 3:

“The best experts so far seem to think it was man-made. I have no reason to disbelieve that at this point,” Pompeo said. When the interviewer pointed out that was not the conclusion of U.S. intelligence agencies, Pompeo backtracked, saying: “I’ve seen what the intelligence community has said. I have no reason to believe that they’ve got it wrong.”

Later reporting made it clear that he was talking about a natural virus escaping from the lab, which “60 Minutes” doesn’t seem to care about at all:

Selective editing....

 
 
 
JohnRussell
9  seeder  JohnRussell    3 weeks ago
which “60 Minutes” doesn’t seem to care about at all:

Not only does "60 Minutes" not appear in the seeded article or in any of the comments, the word doesnt even appear in the link you just included. 

?????

He first told ABC News' "This Week" Sunday that there was "enormous evidence" supporting that unproven theory, before shifting slightly Wednesday to say there's "significant" evidence, but the U.S. doesn't have "certainty" yet.

But in interviews Thursday, Pompeo shifted again, telling a conservative talk radio host, "There's evidence that it came from somewhere in the vicinity of the lab, but that could be wrong."

"We've seen evidence that it came from the lab. That may not be the case," he said in a second talk radio interview.

Pompeo clearly had to readjust his story as the week went on. Pe4ople who tell the whole truth from the beginning dont need to readjust their story. 

 
 
 
dennis smith
9.1  dennis smith  replied to  JohnRussell @9    3 weeks ago

Tell that to Chuck Todd on his "Meet the Press" program. Telling the whole truth is what loons like him say

 
 
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