Bolton claims Trump called for 'scumbag' journalists to be 'executed'

  

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Via:  john-russell  •  4 weeks ago  •  234 comments

By:   J. Edward Moreno (TheHill)

Bolton claims Trump called for 'scumbag' journalists to be 'executed'
Former White House national security adviser John Bolton reportedly claims in his forthcoming memoir that

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Former White House national security adviser  John Bolton  reportedly claims in his forthcoming memoir that  President Trump  called for “scumbag” journalists to be executed.

Bolton said that Trump made the comments during a meeting last summer in New Jersey, according to a copy of Bolton's book  obtained by The Washington Post .

During the meeting, Trump said that journalists should be jailed so they would have to expose their sources, Bolton wrote.

"These people should be executed. They are scumbags," Trump said, according to Bolton's account chronicled in the memoir, "The Room Where It Happened."

Trump ousted Bolton, his third national security advisor, in September 2019 over disagreements on foreign policy.

The Hill has reached out to the White House for comment about the claim in his book.

The Trump administration filed a lawsuit Tuesday seeking to block publication of Bolton's book, which Justice Department lawyers have claimed still contains classified information even after redactions the publisher made at the White House's request.

Bolton's team has said the book will still be published next Tuesday.

Trump has a historically combative relationship with the news media, lashing out at individual reporters at press briefings and often claiming that reports that are critical of his time in office are "fake news."

Meanwhile, the White House earlier this year resumed regular press briefings under its new press secretary.

In his book, Bolton also claims that Trump committed impeachable offenses that House Democrats never investigated, such as allegedly trying to persuade Chinese President Xi Jinping to buy large amounts of agricultural products to improve his re-election prospects in agricultural states.

"I am hard pressed to identify any significant Trump decision during my tenure that wasn't driven by reelection calculations," Bolton writes, according to The Post.

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JohnRussell
1  seeder  JohnRussell    4 weeks ago

There are reports that Bolton's book describes multiple instances of likely impeachable offenses by President* Trump. 

 
 
 
Snuffy
1.1  Snuffy  replied to  JohnRussell @1    4 weeks ago

So will this be the next fantasy push for the Democrats on their attempts to remove Trump from office?  sorry,  the two salacious claims up there won't amount to much.



reportedly claims in his forthcoming memoir that  President Trump  called for “scumbag” journalists to be executed.

So sitting in a conversation bitching about people or a group of people and wishing someone would just kill them..   I sure hope the wording in his book is better than that. Hell, we read such wishes on this board from time to time.  But sitting in a private conversation withing someone would just kill that person...  that's an allegation older than our country.  "Won't someone rid me of this meddlesome priest?"

Bolton also claims that Trump committed impeachable offenses that House Democrats never investigated, such as allegedly trying to persuade Chinese President Xi Jinping to buy large amounts of agricultural products to improve his re-election prospects in agricultural states.

The horror...  Oh please buy our soy beans.  The more you buy the better it will look for me and my reelection chances...  As an old commercial used to quote,  Where's the Beef?  I mean,  come on.  Show me a politician that doesn't make calculations on actions with an eye on how it will impact his re-election chances... 

If the book does get published (ie, not stopped by the courts) than I expect there is over half the country that will help propel it to #1 status somewhere and tidbits will be talked about repeatedly as gospel truth and slightly less than half the country won't really care and probably won't bother to buy the book. Either way I don't think this will change very many hearts and minds..

 
 
 
Ozzwald
1.1.1  Ozzwald  replied to  Snuffy @1.1    4 weeks ago
So will this be the next fantasy push for the Democrats on their attempts to remove Trump from office?

No point.  Senate Republicans have already shown that even if Trump had live-cast shooting someone on 5th Avenue, they would still not remove him from office.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
1.1.2  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1.1    4 weeks ago

bunch of pussies, Trump grabbed already

 
 
 
Ozzwald
1.1.3  Ozzwald  replied to  igknorantzrulz @1.1.2    4 weeks ago
bunch of pussies, Trump grabbed already

Agreed, the 1st time one of them refused a subpoena, they should have been brought in front of congress in chains.

 
 
 
dennis smith
1.1.4  dennis smith  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1.1    4 weeks ago

Proof

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
1.1.5  FLYNAVY1  replied to  dennis smith @1.1.4    4 weeks ago

Proof....???

[Deleted.]  Bolton is a self serving coward that put money off his book deal above his oath to defend the Constitution.

 
 
 
devangelical
1.1.6  devangelical  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.1.5    4 weeks ago

this story has been leading the MSM newscasts, and yet, not even mentioned on state run media outlet FOX. hilarious

 
 
 
Sparty On
1.1.7  Sparty On  replied to  devangelical @1.1.6    4 weeks ago

Your scatter gun of liberal propaganda needs a better aim.  

I watched it for about five minutes this morning and that is all they were talking about.   Bolton. 

DOH!

 
 
 
Dulay
1.1.8  Dulay  replied to  Snuffy @1.1    4 weeks ago
But sitting in a private conversation withing someone would just kill that person...  that's an allegation older than our country.  "Won't someone rid me of this meddlesome priest?"

I find your citation of that quote from King Henry II ironic considering the fact that you seem to want to blow off Trump's comment. Knights traveled to Normandy and murdered the Archbishop of Canterbury following the wishes of their King. What's stopping Trump sycophants from doing the same. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.1.9  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @1.1.6    4 weeks ago
this story has been leading the MSM newscasts, and yet, not even mentioned on state run media outlet FOX. hilarious

Do you actually watch Fox, or is someone giving you your information about it?

 
 
 
Snuffy
1.1.10  Snuffy  replied to  Dulay @1.1.8    4 weeks ago
What's stopping Trump sycophants from doing the same. 

Absolutely nothing but that is true for supporters for any political leader or person in the media. I would submit however that (1) President Trump is not a king so his supporters don't put quite the same emphasis on his words that supporters of a king might,  (2)  laws are a little bit different today than they were back in the 12th Century England and (3) people's morals are better and more defined than back in the 12th Century England. Homicide is a little more frowned upon today than it was back then.

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.1.11  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1.3    4 weeks ago

they should have been brought in front of congress in chains.

Is that what you wanted for these Obama officials, too?

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt...
 
 
 
Texan1211
1.1.12  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1.1    4 weeks ago
. Senate Republicans have already shown that even if Trump had live-cast shooting someone on 5th Avenue, they would still not remove him from office.

That comment is a bold lie.

 
 
 
Dulay
1.1.13  Dulay  replied to  Snuffy @1.1.10    4 weeks ago
Absolutely nothing but that is true for supporters for any political leader or person in the media.

Trump's sycophants have proven that they are willing to commit crimes in his name.

I would submit however that (1) President Trump is not a king so his supporters don't put quite the same emphasis on his words that supporters of a king might, 

You are the one that used the analogy. 

 
 
 
Snuffy
1.1.14  Snuffy  replied to  Dulay @1.1.13    4 weeks ago
Trump's sycophants have proven that they are willing to commit crimes in his name.

ummm,   find me the sycophant of anybody who might be willing to do so in order to further gain advantage for themselves.  This could be true of anybody in a position of power. 

I would submit however that (1) President Trump is not a king so his supporters don't put quite the same emphasis on his words that supporters of a king might, 
You are the one that used the analogy. 

yes i used it here.  But there are Democrats that have long cried out how President Trump has been trying to foil the election and would love to set himself up as a king. No proof that he's even attempted anything like that..  doesn't stop his critics from crying that he's trying.  Unless you are trying to talk about the last part of that sentence. If you are not sure what you are even trying to imply,  sure seems simple to me. A 12th century knight who is 100% beholden to his king might want to over-emphasize his actions for his king.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
1.1.15  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.11    4 weeks ago
Is that what you wanted for these Obama officials, too?

Another failed deflection.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
1.1.16  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.1.5    4 weeks ago

Most definitely agree!

 
 
 
Dulay
1.1.17  Dulay  replied to  Snuffy @1.1.14    4 weeks ago
ummm,   find me the sycophant of anybody who might be willing to do so in order to further gain advantage for themselves.  This could be true of anybody in a position of power. 

You're deflecting. We're talking about Trump and you didn't even try to refute that Trump sycophants are willing to commit crimes in his name.

yes i used it here.  But there are Democrats that have long cried out how President Trump has been trying to foil the election and would love to set himself up as a king. No proof that he's even attempted anything like that..  doesn't stop his critics from crying that he's trying. 

How Trumpian of you to blame others for your statements. 

Unless you are trying to talk about the last part of that sentence.

Nope, I addressed the WHOLE sentence. 

If you are not sure what you are even trying to imply,  sure seems simple to me.

I'm not 'trying' to say anything other than what I posted. 

A 12th century knight who is 100% beholden to his king might want to over-emphasize his actions for his king.

21st century Trump sycophants do it all of the time.

 
 
 
Snuffy
1.1.18  Snuffy  replied to  Dulay @1.1.17    4 weeks ago
You're deflecting. We're talking about Trump and you didn't even try to refute that Trump sycophants are willing to commit crimes in his name.

I'm not deflecting a damn thing. Could a Trump sycophant be willing to break the law in his name?  yes I believe some might. I also believe that sycophant's of other people in power might also be willing to commit crimes to further their own ends.  How is any of that deflecting? 

And blaming others for my statements?  If you look at the entire thread you see how it all ties together. The allegation by Bolton is that Trump as wanted some reporters killed for I assume reporting fake news.  So I responded with the quote from King Henry II,  which you responded to. So I responded that Trump is not a king, he's the elected President. You responded that I used the analogy of Trump as a king. So I responded that there has been no evidence provided anywhere in the past three years that Trump is trying to do away with the Constitution and set himself up as a king,  but there has been plenty of conspiracy theories tossed around about how he plans to do just that.

All I've been trying to do is have a conversation and respond to what is posted. If you don't want to have a conversation and would rather just argue and point out where you think Trump is the most evil dickwad ever then I'll just stop responding to you.  in other words lets have a conversation rather than me watching you tear apart my postings as if you are a teacher grading my remarks.

 
 
 
Dulay
1.1.19  Dulay  replied to  Snuffy @1.1.18    4 weeks ago
I'm not deflecting a damn thing.

Sure you are. 

yes I believe some might.

Many already have. 

And blaming others for my statements? 

Yes.

yes i used it here.  But there are Democrats

That was you right?

"I said that BUT Democrats, blah, blah, blah." 

If you don't want to have a conversation and would rather just argue

This is a debate forum. Buck up. 

and point out where you think Trump is the most evil dickwad ever then I'll just stop responding to you.

My comments were about Trump's sycophants. As for him being the most evil dickwad ever, he doesn't even come close, though it would piss him off that he isn't considered the 'best!' at everything. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.1.20  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1.15    4 weeks ago

So another double standard--one for Republicans and one for Democrats. Got it.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
1.1.21  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.20    4 weeks ago
So another double standard--one for Republicans and one for Democrats. Got it.

deflection

  noun

Definition of   deflection

1 a turning aside or off course  DEVIATION

2 :   the departure of an indicator or pointer from the zero reading on the scale of an instrument
 
 
 
Greg Jones
1.2  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @1    4 weeks ago

I would have to hear the recordings and/or watch the videos to have any faith in what Bolton is trying to tell. It'll just come down to a "he said" kind of story, the likes of which we have heard multiple times before. The public will simply look at it as a political hit piece and not pay it much attention. If the left and Trump's enemies haven't produced any smoking guns by this time, they're not going to.

 
 
 
loki12
1.2.1  loki12  replied to  Greg Jones @1.2    4 weeks ago

Hilarious to watch Bolton become the poster child for integrity and honor to the left, is there anybody they won’t sell their honor too in the pursuit of all things trump? 

 
 
 
Sparty On
1.2.2  Sparty On  replied to  loki12 @1.2.1    4 weeks ago

I know, the loons on the left are falling all over themselves in support of a guy they bagged on for years.

Its hilarious! 

 
 
 
Tacos!
1.3  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @1    4 weeks ago
There are reports that Bolton's book describes multiple instances of likely impeachable offenses by President* Trump.

But we lead with this bit about executing journalists. Is that one of the impeachable offenses? Cuz I would think if you were going to leak something, you'd go with the big one first. Is this it?

 
 
 
dennis smith
1.4  dennis smith  replied to  JohnRussell @1    4 weeks ago

So Bolton claims that the House did not do their job by not investigating Trump for "other impeachable" offenses.

That bring up 3 possibilities.

1) The House was inept   

2) Bolton is a liar

3) 1 and 2 are both true

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
1.4.1  FLYNAVY1  replied to  dennis smith @1.4    4 weeks ago

OR......

Republicans placed their party over county and failed in their oath to defend the US Constitution.....!

YEP.... THAT'S THE ONE!

 
 
 
dennis smith
1.4.2  dennis smith  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.4.1    4 weeks ago

Both parties put their parties over country and have for decades, however, your deflection from the topic of this article is noted but not surprising.

 
 
 
Dulay
1.4.3  Dulay  replied to  dennis smith @1.4.2    4 weeks ago
your deflection from the topic of this article is noted but not surprising.

Fly didn't deflect or go off topic, he merely expanded on the limited imagination of your comment. 

 
 
 
zuksam
1.4.4  zuksam  replied to  dennis smith @1.4    4 weeks ago
Bolton claims that the House did not do their job by not investigating Trump for "other impeachable" offenses.

So Bolton thinks it's the House's job to go on Witch Hunts. In this Country there's supposed to be compelling evidence that a crime has been committed before an investigation begins. But then again when has that ever stopped them when it comes to their "Get Trump at any cost" mission.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
1.5  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  JohnRussell @1    4 weeks ago

No wonder Trump blocked Bolton from testifying.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
1.6  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  JohnRussell @1    4 weeks ago

Bolton is and always has been a grandstanding self promoting loose cannon whom I have never trusted and never will. Bolton has tried to make himself into the darling of the leftist liberal Democrats just because he got pissed at Trump can promote his book!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2  seeder  JohnRussell    4 weeks ago
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/bolton-says-trump-impeachment-inquiry-should-have-looked-at-actions-beyond-ukraine/ar-BB15CHwZ?ocid=uxbndlbing

While other  books by journalists , lower-level  former aides  and even  an anonymous senior official  have revealed much about the Trump White House, Mr. Bolton’s volume is the first tell-all memoir by such a high-ranking official who participated in major foreign policy events and has a lifetime of conservative credentials. I t is a withering portrait of a president ignorant of even basic facts about the world, susceptible to transparent flattery by authoritarian leaders manipulating him and prone to false statements, foul-mouthed eruptions and snap decisions that aides try to manage or reverse.

Mr. Trump did not seem to know, for example, that Britain is a nuclear power and asked if Finland is part of Russia, Mr. Bolton writes. He came closer to  withdrawing  the United States from NATO than previously known. Even top advisers who position themselves as unswervingly loyal mock him behind his back. During Mr. Trump’s 2018 meeting with North Korea’s leader, according to the book, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo slipped Mr. Bolton a note disparaging the president, saying, “He is so full of s**t.”

A month later, Mr. Bolton writes, Mr. Pompeo dismissed the president’s North Korea diplomacy, declaring that there was “zero probability of success.”

Intelligence briefings  with the president were a waste of time “since much of the time was spent listening to Trump, rather than Trump listening to the briefers.” Mr. Trump likes pitting staff members against one another, at one point telling Mr. Bolton that former Secretary of State Rex W. Tillerson had once referred to Nikki R. Haley, then the ambassador to the United Nations, by a sexist obscenity — an assertion Mr. Bolton seemed to doubt but found telling that the president would make it.

Mr. Trump said so many things that were wrong or false that Mr. Bolton in the book regularly includes phrases like “(the opposite of the truth)” following some quote from the president. And Mr. Trump in this telling has no overarching philosophy of governance or foreign policy but rather a series of gut-driven instincts that sometimes mirrored Mr. Bolton’s but other times were, in his view, dangerous and reckless.

“His thinking was like an archipelago of dots (like individual real estate deals), leaving the rest of us to discern — or create — policy,” Mr. Bolton writes. “That had its pros and cons.”
 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
2.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  JohnRussell @2    4 weeks ago

just more coincidences obviously

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  igknorantzrulz @2.1    4 weeks ago

Trump thinks Tillerson called Nikki Haley a nice piece of ass because thats what he (Trump) did. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
2.1.2  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.1    4 weeks ago

When did he do that?

As for me...Sarah Palin is still a hottie.

 
 
 
dennis smith
2.1.3  dennis smith  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.1    4 weeks ago

So now you know what Trump thinks, is that from your crystal ball or imagination?

 
 
 
Raven Wing
2.1.4  Raven Wing  replied to  Greg Jones @2.1.2    4 weeks ago
Sarah Palin is still a hottie.

"To each their own" said the Maid as the kissed the cow.

 
 
 
dennis smith
2.2  dennis smith  replied to  JohnRussell @2    4 weeks ago

Typical sour grapes comments from one who was fired due to incompetence in his job.

 
 
 
Sparty On
3  Sparty On    4 weeks ago

Sounds more like something Bolton would say.

Looks like he'll be the loony lefts buddy now.

Oh the irony!

 
 
 
Krishna
3.1  Krishna  replied to  Sparty On @3    4 weeks ago
Sounds more like something Bolton would say.

Well not surprising, actually. After all, Bolton's always been a Left Wing Socialist!

 
 
 
Sparty On
3.1.1  Sparty On  replied to  Krishna @3.1    4 weeks ago

Really .... i haven't heard that one before ...... classic!

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
3.1.2  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Krishna @3.1    4 weeks ago

Bolton does not give a rat's ass about either party except if he can get publicity and make money off them.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sparty On @3    4 weeks ago

Are you actually going to vote for Donald Trump?  I haven't see the actual excerpts yet, but I understand Bolton alleges Trump asked China to help him win re-election. 

Enough should be enough, even for Trump supporters. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
3.2.1  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2    4 weeks ago

Lol ... China doesn't want Trump.   They want that rube Biden so they can take advantage of him just like they did the previous eight years.

Who i'm voting for in none of your business John but since you're my best pal in here ......  i'll give you a bone to chew on.

Damn right i am, without hesitation.

Get to chewing nah .....

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3.2.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sparty On @3.2.1    4 weeks ago
Damn right i am, without hesitation.

I have known for a long long time that Trump supporters are generally uninterested in facts.  I have been fighting with the administration of this site for years now about its refusal to let us describe Trump supporters as the worst people in the world.  

Word is this book is utterly devastating to Trump in terms of exposing his complete unfitness for office. 

And yet many Trumpsters will not care. That is why we are at 'war' with them.  I have no problem with that.

 
 
 
Sparty On
3.2.3  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.2    4 weeks ago
I have known for a long long time that Trump supporters are generally uninterested in facts.

There is some damn serious projection going on there nah .....

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3.2.4  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sparty On @3.2.3    4 weeks ago

It's basically a waste of time to talk to you because you are out of touch with the reality of Trump's lack of fitness for office, but whatever. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
3.2.5  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2    4 weeks ago

Enough should be enough, even for Trump supporters. 

Enough of what? I haven't heard one credible and proven reason to dump Trump. I know what I was getting when I voted for him the first time.

The way the Democrats have acted for the last four years, it's imperative that he be reelected.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
3.2.6  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.2    4 weeks ago
Word is this book is utterly devastating to Trump in terms of exposing his complete unfitness for office. 
Trump has been office for four years now. If he is unfit, he would not still be in office, nor would he be reelected.
Most people will regard Bolton's book as pack of lies. You talk about facts all the time but cannot provide any.

 
 
 
loki12
3.2.7  loki12  replied to  Greg Jones @3.2.5    4 weeks ago

Obviously you missed all the data on Russian collusion that the mindless retards bleated about for 3 years, just wait, they will get him any day now, and this will be important until the pied piper of the low functioning tell them to be outraged about something else.

 
 
 
Sparty On
3.2.8  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.4    4 weeks ago

And that’s your problem.    

You are too set in your ways and polarized to grow beyond your current angry mindset.

Sad

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
3.2.9  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2    4 weeks ago

According a report this am on my local news, Trump offered to waive tariffs if China bought our crops to help with reelection.

 
 
 
dennis smith
3.2.10  dennis smith  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.2    4 weeks ago

Correction John, You have "thought" not known that Trump supporters are generally uninterested in facts. 

 
 
 
dennis smith
3.2.11  dennis smith  replied to  Sparty On @3.2.8    4 weeks ago

Lets see if John replies to any more of your comments since he said it was a waste of time in 3.2.3

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
3.2.12  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2    4 weeks ago

Can't see that it's yours or anybody else's business but his who he votes for.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
3.2.13  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.4    4 weeks ago

Of course you would feel that way about him solely because he does not happen to share your particular political views, just as all others are who disagree with you.. As such he is automatically wrong, a deplorable, and misguided in your eyes.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
3.2.14  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @3.2.9    4 weeks ago
"According a report this am on my local news, Trump offered to waive tariffs if China bought our crops to help with reelection."

Yesterday I watched a Fox News interview with Pompeo where he so unrentingly blamed and damned China, so supported and glorified in the interference with China's domestic policies, that I would be surprised if Xi didn't tell Trump to shove his soybeans up his ass.  You had to watch Pompeo - he stood there with a blank face like a robot, and what went through my mind is that he was actually a hand puppet with Trump's hand up his ass to open and close his mouth mouthing the O'Donnell script. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
3.2.15  Sean Treacy  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.2.14    4 weeks ago
t I would be surprised if Xi didn't tell Trump to shove his soybeans up his ass.

Too busy invading India and killing Indians to bother with that, I'm sure. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
3.2.16  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.2.15    4 weeks ago

That's the Trumpian interpretation of a dispute that goes back historically, and most of the Indians who invaded over the "line" froze to death, but you can believe whatever you want, I really don't give a shit. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
3.2.17  Sean Treacy  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.2.16    4 weeks ago

The New York Times is trumpian now?

that CCP has done a number on its subjects.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
3.3  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Sparty On @3    4 weeks ago

Even as a right wing Neocon that I've always detested, he is still closer to the center than Trump and anyone that still thinks Trump belongs in the WH.

 
 
 
Sparty On
3.3.1  Sparty On  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @3.3    4 weeks ago

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Greg Jones
3.3.2  Greg Jones  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @3.3    4 weeks ago
What makes you think that Trump is a right wing conservative?

 
 
 
loki12
3.3.3  loki12  replied to  Greg Jones @3.3.2    4 weeks ago

The first step act, funding historic black colleges, police reform, economic zones in predominantly minority communities. If trump was a liberal he would only promise these things and not deliver them, holding out the carrot doesn’t work if you actually give it too them.

 
 
 
Dulay
3.3.4  Dulay  replied to  loki12 @3.3.3    4 weeks ago
The first step act,

Which was actually more of the 10th step.

funding historic black colleges

Promising to give more funding to HBC, no evidence that they have. 

police reform

Suggesting police reform, creating a bill that doesn't require it. 

economic zones in predominantly minority communities

Continuing a decades old program. 

If trump was a liberal he would only promise these things and not deliver them, holding out the carrot doesn’t work if you actually give it too them.

Nothing that you cited is unique to Trump. Democrats and Republican POTUS have made strides in every one of those issues. Get educated. 

 
 
 
Raven Wing
3.3.5  Raven Wing  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @3.3    4 weeks ago
he is still closer to the center than Trump and anyone that still thinks Trump belongs in the WH.

Yep. But, what can the GOP do. Trump is the best they have to offer from their side. And they aren't going to admit that they don't have anyone with any real intelligence in the GOP to run against Trump. So....what else can they do but continue to support the President that no one in their party wanted in the first place, but, they don't have anyone better to offer.

Do any of them think that Trump will pay any more attention to the needs of America and its people if he gets his wish and gets re-elected? Most likely not. If he didn't care enough his first term, why would he care anymore about his second term? He'll just be thinking about the book he is going to write of his time in the Oval office and how many more porn starts and hookers he can skrew when the world is not watching him 24/7. And of course take lots of credit for making Juneteenth "very, very famous."

And why do you think Melania wanted so badly to renegotiate her pre-nup before moving to DC? Anyone who thinks she will hang with Trump after they leave the WH is totally lacking in reality.

 
 
 
Suz
4  Suz    4 weeks ago

Bolton says Trump called for their executions?    What politician hasn't??!!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Suz @4    4 weeks ago

Are you actually going to vote for Donald Trump?  I haven't see the actual excerpts yet, but I understand Bolton alleges Trump asked China to help him win re-election. 

Enough should be enough, even for Trump supporters. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
4.1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1    4 weeks ago
Bolton alleges Trump asked China to help him win re-election. 

Allegations are not facts. How in the world could the Chinese help Trump get reelected?

Isn't that a job for the Russians?   /s

 
 
 
dennis smith
4.1.2  dennis smith  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1    4 weeks ago

You said it all when saying "Bolton ALLEGES". 

 
 
 
Suz
4.1.3  Suz  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1    4 weeks ago

All you have to offer is Biden.  Neither one excites me and I won't know until I'm behind the curtain (so-to-speak).

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
4.1.4  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Suz @4.1.3    4 weeks ago

I gave everyone 3 other choices on a poll recently.  

 
 
 
Krishna
4.2  Krishna  replied to  Suz @4    4 weeks ago
Bolton says Trump called for their executions?    What politician hasn't??!!

Mahatma Ghandi...???

 
 
 
Suz
4.2.1  Suz  replied to  Krishna @4.2    4 weeks ago
"Mahatma Ghandi...???"

That's funny.

Hey, he's a good example of do we overlook his shortcomings or do we say no to honoring the man? 

 
 
 
Krishna
4.2.2  Krishna  replied to  Suz @4.2.1    4 weeks ago
Hey, he's a good example of do we overlook his shortcomings or do we say no to honoring the man? 

Yes, that certainly does apply to Donald Trump!!! jrSmiley_9_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Suz
4.2.3  Suz  replied to  Krishna @4.2.2    4 weeks ago

Even though I know you're serious, I know you're teasing me and I can take it!!  

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
4.2.4  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Suz @4.2.3    4 weeks ago

LOL.  Of course he's teasing you - it's his style.  Some of Krishna's comments, sometimes articles are outlandish.  Krishna was my first friend and mentor on NV, and the only times I got into trouble there was when I didn't follow his advice.  He really got under the skin of the A-Hs there when he teased them, but it was very effective. I have always admired and respected him and I'm happy he's still around.   

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
4.3  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Suz @4    4 weeks ago

Can you name them?

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
4.3.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @4.3    4 weeks ago

You can't.  Color me so surprised.

 
 
 
Suz
4.3.2  Suz  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @4.3    4 weeks ago

What?

 
 
 
Suz
4.3.3  Suz  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @4.3    4 weeks ago

It's called human nature and don't bother denying people having felt those same feelings.

 
 
 
Dulay
4.3.4  Dulay  replied to  Suz @4.3.3    4 weeks ago
It's called human nature and don't bother denying people having felt those same feelings.

No, it is NOT human nature to want those who oppose you executed. 

 
 
 
Suz
4.3.5  Suz  replied to  Dulay @4.3.4    4 weeks ago

If you're in politics it sure is.   I can't help it if you've led a sequestered life. 

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
4.3.6  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Dulay @4.3.4    4 weeks ago

Thank you.

 
 
 
Dulay
4.3.7  Dulay  replied to  Suz @4.3.5    4 weeks ago
If you're in politics it sure is. 

Is it your posit that only politicians are governed by 'human nature'? 

I can't help it if you've led a sequestered life. 

But you CAN help making uninformed comments. 

 
 
 
Suz
4.3.8  Suz  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @4.3.6    4 weeks ago

Why do you feel it necessary to thank someone who disagrees with me?   Have I offended you in some way?  if you prefer I not converse with you, please feel free to tell me and I will stop addressing you. 

Suz

 
 
 
Suz
4.3.9  Suz  replied to  Dulay @4.3.7    4 weeks ago
But you CAN help making uninformed comments. 

Why not?  You do.

 
 
 
Dulay
4.3.10  Dulay  replied to  Suz @4.3.9    4 weeks ago
Why not?  

Why not WHAT? I said you CAN help making uninformed comments. 

You do.

I know. 

 
 
 
Raven Wing
4.3.11  Raven Wing  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @4.3.6    4 weeks ago
Thank you.

Good to have someone who is willing to stand up and state the truth when others could care less. Glad Dulay was able to support you and help set the record straight. jrSmiley_13_smiley_image.gif

And no, it isn't human nature for people to want to execute those who go against them. If that was the case, there would be no human beings left alive, as we would have all been killed off by someone who we didn't agree with. jrSmiley_79_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Krishna
4.4  Krishna  replied to  Suz @4    4 weeks ago
Bolton says Trump called for their executions?    What politician hasn't??!!

MLK?

 
 
 
Snuffy
4.4.1  Snuffy  replied to  Krishna @4.4    4 weeks ago

Not sure if MLK would qualify as he never ran for political office.  He couldn’t. He would never have been able to run for office in a place like Alabama. Even if his race didn’t make him ineligible to run automatically, he could never have had a chance in a state where 90% of Black people could not vote. The same is true of any other state he might have run in the South.

 
 
 
Krishna
5  Krishna    4 weeks ago

Well not surprising, actually. After all, Bolton's always been a Left Wing Socialist!

(That was sarcasm)

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
6  Dismayed Patriot    4 weeks ago

No one who has been paying any attention to the Trump presidency is surprised by this, and I don't doubt a word of what Bolton is claiming. The only shitty thing is why didn't Bolton come out and say all this last September in during the impeachment? He needed to testify to this stuff under oath before congress, all of it, just laid out the outright corruption he was witnessing. Waiting just to earn a few million off a book? That's just infuriating. I guess it's true what they say, it takes one to know one, and both Bolton and Trump are assholes. Trump's a stupid self-serving asshole while Bolton is just a self serving asshole.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @6    4 weeks ago

No doubt about Bolton, and he is no patriot. But it is what it is. A devastating account of Trump's unfitness for office.  By the way, the book is out. The television networks have it. Trump's lawsuit against Bolton is moot in terms of preventing the public from finding out what is in it. 

 
 
 
Snuffy
6.1.1  Snuffy  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1    4 weeks ago
A devastating account of Trump's unfitness for office. 

It's really Bolton's words.  As  you and I were not there in the office it devolves down to a he said / he said situation. You can pull out other people who have said similar things,  and you can also find people who will say there were also in the room and that is not what Trump said.  To me as I was not in the room at the time,  the book may make for some interesting reading but I'm not going to bet the farm on any of it being true.

To determine who I'm going to vote for in the November election, I will go on what I know to be true and what I have seen come out of Washington. I like some of the policies that the Trump adminstration has done and I dislike some others. But I'm not going to base my vote on a book that I have no way to verify on it's truthfulness.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.1.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Snuffy @6.1.1    4 weeks ago

Well we know that Trump is a pathological liar, and I'm not sure anyone has said that about Bolton, so I think to begin with Bolton is more believable. 

Of course people decide these things for themselves. I would just say that anyone who says Trump tells the truth is either a liar themselves or out of touch with reality. 

 
 
 
Snuffy
6.1.3  Snuffy  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.2    4 weeks ago

Yeah, but considering how Bolton was during the impeachment and trial I don't see how you can trust him either.  Bolton was not subpoenaed as part of the House’s impeachment inquiry and never stated if he would even honor a House subpoena. He was not subpoenaed during the Senate trial either. After the Senate voted against calling up any new witnesses, Schiff asked Bolton thru his lawyer if he would sign an affidavit about what he knew and he refused to do so. Was he holding back for a supposed book deal or was he afraid to have to testify under oath? 

So it seems like we are back at square one where we really can't trust either one as they both have their own agenda and we have no evidence to back up the allegations. Just don't see where this book is going to make a huge difference in the life of this country. Some people will believe it because they want to, others will refute everything in there for the same reason. 

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
6.1.4  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Snuffy @6.1.3    4 weeks ago

Trump supporters and congressional republicans will continue to deny any of these events, even when supported by inside corroboration of someone that was there.  Its sad that these same supporters were all in on conspiracies about birth certificates, selective service registration, country of birth, and other unsupportable stories and ready to hang the previous president just on their mention. 

Holding double standards have never been a problem for conservatives.   

 
 
 
Snuffy
6.1.5  Snuffy  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @6.1.4    4 weeks ago
Holding double standards have never been a problem for conservatives.   

Please stop the partisan bullshit.  You were not in the room so you don't know what has been said.  Bolton says Trump said 'A'.  Trump says he said 'B'.  So Bolton finds someone to confirm that Trump said 'A'.  And then Trump finds someone to confirm that Trump really said 'B'.  We are locked into a downward spiral where people will believe what they want to believe because there is no proof of any of this. All this does is further the divide in this country. Playing what-about-ism because the other side did it doesn't strengthen the argument.

 
 
 
cjcold
6.1.6  cjcold  replied to  Snuffy @6.1.5    4 weeks ago

Everybody with a 100+ IQ who pays attention to politics knows that Trump is likely the most ignorant, stupid, vengeful, lying, president ever. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.1.7  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  cjcold @6.1.6    4 weeks ago

For some unfathomable reason , people think "Trump said B"  is a reasonable argument.  Nothing Trump says can be believed offhand. He is always the odd man out in a truth telling contest. 

Yet we hear things like "Trump says he didnt do it" constantly, with the expectation of belief.  Incredible. 

 
 
 
Snuffy
6.1.8  Snuffy  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.7    4 weeks ago

Thank both of you for proving my point.  Could a lot of things in Bolton's book be true?  sure they could be.  But we don't know because we were not in the room with them.  There's no proof of any of it.  Does Trump lie?  yes.  Does Bolton lie?  yes.   When both sources are known liars then logic tells me you cannot believe either one of them.

But as I said,  people will believe what they want to believe and all this will do is further divide the country.

Yet we hear things like "Trump says he didnt do it" constantly, with the expectation of belief.  Incredible. 

John, I had to include this line from your post also. You can go back thru my posts.  I never said anywhere that you need to believe Trump because he said he didn't do or say it.  All I've ever said is that without any proof of the fact how can you believe any of it.

 
 
 
Karri
6.2  Karri  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @6    4 weeks ago
The only shitty thing is why didn't Bolton come out and say all this last September in during the impeachment?

I would have been more likely to buy the book if he had.  I support patriots but not selfish hucksters.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
6.2.1  Greg Jones  replied to  Karri @6.2    4 weeks ago
I support patriots but not selfish hucksters

Yep, the timing is terrible and looks mighty suspicious

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
6.2.2  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Karri @6.2    4 weeks ago

House Democrats sent Bolton an official request to testify. He declined to appear -- because the White House did not authorize him to do so.

 
 
 
Snuffy
6.2.3  Snuffy  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @6.2.2    4 weeks ago

And House Democrats failed to subpoena Bolton because they appeared more interested in a speedy end to the Impeachment process rather than a deeper investigation.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
6.2.4  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Snuffy @6.2.3    4 weeks ago

And Bolton is just another GOP coward that put making a buck over protecting the US Constitution when other patriots within his own department came forward and testified upon request.

Take your pick, either you liked him then for not testifying and the the Senate not issuing subpoena's, or you didn't like him and the senates actions then and now.  You can't have it both ways.... 

 
 
 
dennis smith
6.2.5  dennis smith  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @6.2.4    4 weeks ago

It was the House that failed to issue a subpoena. See 6.2.2

 
 
 
Snuffy
6.2.6  Snuffy  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @6.2.4    4 weeks ago

I never liked Bolton in the first place.  He was too much a hawk for my tastes. It seemed like his first choice for conflict resolution was always military force. And my comments in 6.2.3 that you responded to had nothing to do with the Senate not issuing subpoena's.  it was aimed directly at how the House ran their impeachment inquiry. They seemed more interested in speed and actually doing their job which is why when they voted on and submitted the articles of impeachment to the Senate it was without a doubt the weakest attempt ever made.

You can bitch all you want about the Senate not issuing any subpoena's but they voted and party partisanship was followed. As the Republicans held the majority in the Senate they got to control that vote. Just like in the House during the investigation the Democrats held the majority and could have controlled that vote but they still decided on speed rather than a deeper investigation. The House could have gone to court over subpoena's but they didn't want to take the time to do that as it was not politically expedient for them.

 
 
 
Karri
6.2.7  Karri  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @6.2.2    4 weeks ago
House Democrats sent Bolton an official request to testify.

Exactly.  If he had done his patriotic duty and testified, I would buy his book.  The fact that Trump didn't want him to speak has nothing to do with it.  It seems to me that he thought he could sell more books by not talking until it meant dollars for him.

 
 
 
cjcold
6.2.8  cjcold  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @6.2.4    4 weeks ago
You can't have it both ways.... 

I tend not to think in absolutes. Stuff is not all black or white. Lots of gray.

 
 
 
Gazoo
7  Gazoo    4 weeks ago

This is too funny. For years the left hated bolton. They described as dangerous, unhinged, a war hawk, etc. Now that his sour grapes are showing he’s the pillar of truth.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
7.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Gazoo @7    4 weeks ago

The question at issue is not Bolton, it is Trump.  Unless Bolton is a bald faced liar in your view, his accusations about Trump should trouble everyone. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
7.1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1    4 weeks ago

 his accusations about Trump should trouble everyone. 

Accusations aren't enough for most people to convict anyone of anything.

That's why we have trials by jury and elections for politicians.

Don't like Trump, don't vote for him.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
7.1.2  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Greg Jones @7.1.1    4 weeks ago

Accusations aren't enough for most people to convict anyone of anything.

That's interesting, you've continuously convicted the previous president only upon circulated accusation.  But as you've said, that's "most people". 

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
7.1.3  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1    4 weeks ago

Bolton kept impeccable notes so he is not pulling this from thin air.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
7.1.4  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @7.1.3    4 weeks ago

No, but the things he put in his journal may have been.

 
 
 
cjcold
7.1.5  cjcold  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @7.1.4    4 weeks ago

So many books detailing Trump's insanity can't all be wrong.

 
 
 
Texan1211
7.1.6  Texan1211  replied to  cjcold @7.1.5    4 weeks ago

An outstanding example of confirmation bias.

Kudos to you, sir!

 
 
 
cjcold
7.1.7  cjcold  replied to  Texan1211 @7.1.6    4 weeks ago

Hard to deny the insanity of Trump.

 
 
 
Texan1211
7.1.8  Texan1211  replied to  cjcold @7.1.7    4 weeks ago

Well, excuse me, Doctor. 

Where again did you study medicine or psychiatry at?

 
 
 
bugsy
8  bugsy    4 weeks ago

John we all know that if Bolton described Trump as the best president he ever served under, you would be the first on here screaming that he is nothing but a neo con, a racist and a war monger, oh, and probably "lies" as much as Trump.....and was unfit to serve as NSA...and on.,... and on....and on...

 
 
 
Greg Jones
8.1  Greg Jones  replied to  bugsy @8    4 weeks ago

Yep, JR is so predictable.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
8.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  bugsy @8    4 weeks ago

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Tacos!
9  Tacos!    4 weeks ago

This is pretty ordinary stuff, but of course with book sales and possibly TV ratings on the line, a mountain will be made of this molehill. Next up, Bolton will be hired as a regular contributor for CNN or MSNBC.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
9.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Tacos! @9    4 weeks ago

'ordinary stuff'            never, till the obscene world of Trump was something like this considered ordinary.

Trump defenders are a bad joke, real patriots, no longer can laugh at

 
 
 
Tacos!
9.1.1  Tacos!  replied to  igknorantzrulz @9.1    4 weeks ago
'ordinary stuff'            never, till the obscene world of Trump was something like this considered ordinary

No, actually, never until the world of TDS was something like this considered newsworthy, much less scandalous.

real patriots, no longer can laugh at

Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back just because you don't like Trump. You're no more of a patriot than anyone else here, and hating Trump certainly doesn't make you one.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
9.1.2  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Tacos! @9.1.1    4 weeks ago
Thanks for normalizing the Un-American actions by this president Tacos.  And don't flatter yourself.... anyone that choses to support this threat to the US Constitution really needs to reflect on what it means to be a patriot.
 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
9.1.3  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Tacos! @9.1.1    4 weeks ago

When you give 23 yrs to the military as I did, you don't get to label me as not being a patriot.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
9.1.4  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @9.1.3    4 weeks ago

Spot on Paula......  It sure as hell wasn't the pay.

The protected don't even know that we paid for our own uniforms!

 
 
 
Sparty On
9.1.5  Sparty On  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @9.1.4    4 weeks ago

So what?   I've paid for all my own "uniforms" since i got out as well.

Not sure what that has to do with anything.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
9.1.6  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @9.1.4    4 weeks ago

I actually made more money when I was deployed for DS (SFC pay plus hazard pay) than I did in my civil service job, but it only lasted 89 days.  Because I went as a reservist, I did have to pay for my BDU's which I wasn't allowed to wear once my boots hit the ground.  I only had a pair of jeans and a Micky Mouse Tee Shirt when I got settled in so I had to buy more shirts.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
9.1.7  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @9.1.4    4 weeks ago

Trump as a draft dodger is the epitome of a non patriot.

 
 
 
Tacos!
9.1.8  Tacos!  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @9.1.3    4 weeks ago

I don't think anyone said you weren't a patriot. Flynavy implied pretty explicitly that people who oppose Trump are the real patriots. I object to that. I never said that either he or you weren't patriots. What I don't appreciate is someone claiming they are more of a patriot than I am just because we disagree on the president.

 
 
 
Dulay
9.1.9  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @9.1.1    4 weeks ago
and hating Trump certainly doesn't make you one

Nor does acting as his 'devil's advocate'. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
9.1.10  Tacos!  replied to  Dulay @9.1.9    4 weeks ago

The point is no one has any business declaring they are more of a patriot than someone else. Do you agree or disagree?

 
 
 
Dulay
9.1.11  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @9.1.10    4 weeks ago
The point is no one has any business declaring they are more of a patriot than someone else. Do you agree or disagree?

Oh I agree but that doesn't stop many members here doing just that. In fact, there are plenty doing that right here yet you seem to be 'selective' on who you call on it. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
9.1.12  Tacos!  replied to  Dulay @9.1.11    4 weeks ago
In fact, there are plenty doing that right here yet you seem to be 'selective' on who you call on it.

Yeah, I'm selective. I selected a comment aimed at me and about me.

A member implied I was not as patriotic as he was. So I answered. You have a problem with me replying to a comment directed at me? WTF? Am I supposed to patrol all of Newstalkers and wag my finger at every member who says something obnoxious to someone else?

 
 
 
Dulay
9.1.13  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @9.1.12    4 weeks ago

So when you said:

no one has any business declaring they are more of a patriot than someone else.

You didn't really mean 'no one', you just meant no one addressing it to you. Got ya. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
9.1.14  Tacos!  replied to  Dulay @9.1.13    4 weeks ago
You didn't really mean 'no one', you just meant no one addressing it to you. Got ya. 

No. You don't "got" shit. Don't try to change your bullshit into something else now.

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Dulay
9.1.15  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @9.1.14    4 weeks ago
No. You don't "got" shit. Don't try to change your bullshit into something else now.

You've done that all by yourself and your following statement illustrates that. 

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Tacos!
9.1.16  Tacos!  replied to  Dulay @9.1.15    4 weeks ago

[removed   t.] You have contributed nothing whatsoever to the conversation. [removed]

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
9.1.17  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Tacos! @9.1.8    4 weeks ago
You're no more of a patriot than anyone else here (your words)

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
9.1.18  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Tacos! @9.1.1    4 weeks ago

Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back just because you don't like Trump. You're no more of a patriot than anyone else here, and hating Trump certainly doesn't make you one.

hey Taco's, don't try and ever compare my patriotism to people without the intelligence to see they have been completely played by a FCKN traitorous LIAR, as it only makes people look silly, and if you wish to debate this with me , HAVE AT IT, cause i've had about ENUFF of Trump defenders , thinking THEY can decide who is a true PATRIOT, cause if you truly were to educate oneself, there would be no discrepancies, as Trump is a traitor, that which you'll demand MORE PROOF OF, due to there NEVER being ample proof to satisfy you and the blinded cult.

Well IF YOU WISH TO DEBATE ME, HAVE AT IT, cause I"VE HELD BACK A LOT, and i think it's not gonna end too swell for you.

Drop it, or go all in, but forgive me FATHER , CAUSE i'm about to MUTHA FCKN SIN !

 
 
 
Dulay
9.1.19  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @9.1.16    4 weeks ago

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Tacos!
9.1.20  Tacos!  replied to  igknorantzrulz @9.1.18    4 weeks ago

These are your words. This is what this is all about. Your words:

Trump defenders are a bad joke, real patriots, no longer can laugh at

If you don't like how people react to your words, either stop doing that crap or live with the reaction.

hey Taco's, don't try and ever compare my patriotism

No one compared your patriotism to anything. You are projecting. YOU are the one trying measure other people's patriotism like we're measuring dicks or something. It's twisted.

YOU are the one who waltzed in here and declared himself a "real patriot" as opposed to others. YOU are the one patting himself on the back and comparing himself to others.

if you wish to debate this with me

There's no debate. I think it's bullshit to go around declaring that you're a better patriot than other people. Period. End of story.

thinking THEY can decide who is a true PATRIOT,

Why don't you take some responsibility for the shit you actually said in @9.1. YOU are the one trying to decide who is a true patriot. YOU are the only one who even brought it up.

cause I"VE HELD BACK A LOT, and i think it's not gonna end too swell for you. Drop it, or go all in, but forgive me FATHER , CAUSE i'm about to MUTHA FCKN SIN !

Oh, is a keyboard warrior threatening me now? How very impressive. I told you what I thought. You want to act now like something was done to you? Please!

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
9.1.21  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Tacos! @9.1.20    4 weeks ago

Hey Tacos', does this ring a bbell :"real patriots no longer can laugh at" 

I'm POSITIVE WE ALL HAVE OUR OWN PERCEPTION of what a REAL PATRIOT IS, and because EVERY FCKN ONE ON HERE HAS THEIR VERY OWN, there IS NO ONE RIGHT ANSWER, but

as FlyNAvy stat

Thanks for normalizing the Un-American actions by this president Tacos.  And don't flatter yourself.... anyone that choses to support this threat to the US Constitution really needs to reflect on what it means to be a patriot.

ed so accurately 

 
 
 
Tacos!
9.1.22  Tacos!  replied to  igknorantzrulz @9.1.21    4 weeks ago
does this ring a bbell :"real patriots no longer can laugh at" 

Yes it does. They are YOUR words. Not mine. You don't mind questioning my patriotism, but you would object if I questioned yours. That makes you a bully or a hypocrite. If that's what you call patriotism, count me out.

 
 
 
Tacos!
9.1.23  Tacos!  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @9.1.2    4 weeks ago
Thanks for normalizing the Un-American actions by this president Tacos.

Normal is relative when it comes to politics. 

And don't flatter yourself.... anyone that choses to support this threat to the US Constitution really needs to reflect on what it means to be a patriot.

Look around. I'm not the one who started this crap about who is a true patriot, so I'm not the one looking to flatter himself.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
9.1.24  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Tacos! @9.1.22    4 weeks ago

Taco's you can do whatever the HELL YA WANT, but defending Trump, in my eyes, will always be anti-patriotic, as he is as far as one can get from the shining beacon an American POTUS should/could/would BE. Our Founding Forefathers would be agast, embarrassed, and ashamed. He has hijacked their dreams, and runs it into walls, Mexico will NEVER pay for, as he was Putin by Putin, is a mental deficient midget, and has by about all around him and their accounts, beeen a fckn disaster, so keep  what our founders never envisioned Ameriv]ca would be stupid enough to allow, then allow it some more, and tell US All what a great patriot you think you are as you defend the antithesis of a True Patriot, as he shreds anything Constitutionally possible. 

u have your view, i have mine    have a swell day

 
 
 
Suz
9.1.25  Suz  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @9.1.7    4 weeks ago

He wasn't a draft dodger, Paula.    He, along with Clinton and Joe Biden, used student deferments.

 
 
 
Tacos!
9.1.26  Tacos!  replied to  igknorantzrulz @9.1.24    4 weeks ago
and tell US All what a great patriot you think you are

Take responsibility. I never said anything about who was a great patriot. That was YOU. Own it.

 
 
 
Dulay
9.1.27  Dulay  replied to  Suz @9.1.25    4 weeks ago

You're forgetting Trump's bone spurs. 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
9.1.28  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Tacos! @9.1.26    4 weeks ago

Take responsibility. I never said anything about who was a great patriot. That was YOU. Own it.

I DO OWN IT

and you own the antipatriotic piece of paramecium poop plopped in our White Power House of pain for the mentally insane in his webbed membrane found jambed in his doorways and between toes he stubs like a grinded stump, but even more stumped, cause Trumped is his Race Card Driven to wedge, as he cleanses with LIESAUL and Lemmon pledgeing to LIE each and every day his fat unpatriotic asz wastes a way not meant for such a position as he can't conform, he should be in the Pokey, as his Gumby's chew off more than he can deform, he plays with our doe, his mind is malleable, as any would be dictatortot can attest, Trump fails N is never in the NO

all while doing his unpatriotic best !

 
 
 
Tacos!
9.1.29  Tacos!  replied to  igknorantzrulz @9.1.28    4 weeks ago
you own the antipatriotic piece of paramecium poop plopped in our White Power House of pain

Yeah? How do you figure? I didn't put him there.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
9.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Tacos! @9    4 weeks ago
This is pretty ordinary stuff

You lower your own standards that far if you want, leave the rest of us out of it. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
9.2.1  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @9.2    4 weeks ago

Please! I hear worse from people like you on NT every freaking day.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
9.2.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Tacos! @9.2.1    4 weeks ago

Your credibility, based on your endless comments defending Trump,  is zero, unless there is a lower number. 

It is beyond strange. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
9.2.3  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @9.2.2    4 weeks ago
Your credibility, based on your endless comments defending Trump,  is zero, unless there is a lower number. 

Your ability to weigh in on my credibility is zero. Unless there is a lower number.

 
 
 
Sparty On
9.3  Sparty On  replied to  Tacos! @9    4 weeks ago

Bolton is collecting useful idiots right now.    They’ll buy his book on the chance he says something bad about Trump.

Great tactic if you have a book to sell

 
 
 
Tacos!
9.3.1  Tacos!  replied to  Sparty On @9.3    4 weeks ago
Great tactic if you have a book to sell

Of course it is. And it's the wide-eyed fan boys with TDS who lap this garbage up.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
9.3.2  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Tacos! @9.3.1    4 weeks ago

Wow guys..... John Bolton, once the darling of the GOP in the 21st century......  Still held in high esteem by many congressional republicans, writes garbage now?

This book only confirms many points of what was already out there about this administration.  Personally, Bolton is nothing more than a money over country POS, right on par with the current occupant of the WH.  I'm sure both of you were "all in" with the "Project for the New American Century", but now that he is getting his at the expense of your idol, of course your going to throw rocks at him.

And as to the statement about useful idiots, it would seem Trump has a bunch of them defending his every utterance.

 
 
 
Texan1211
9.3.3  Texan1211  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @9.3.2    4 weeks ago
Wow guys..... John Bolton, once the darling of the GOP in the 21st century......  Still held in high esteem by many congressional republicans, writes garbage now?

Isn't that exactly what both parties do? Hate someone until he does something you approve of? Or like someone until he does something you don't approve of?

Bolton was FAR from a favorite of the left UNTIL he wrote the book.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
9.3.4  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Texan1211 @9.3.3    4 weeks ago

The only love I have for Bolton is that he is rubbing Trump voters noses is the truth of things they still won't admit to having taken place.  It's coming from within your party Tex....!!!!  Just like the Lincoln Republicans and other conservative groups that are smart enough to see the writing on the wall and are "Dumping Trump"!  

 
 
 
Sparty On
9.3.5  Sparty On  replied to  Tacos! @9.3.1    4 weeks ago

Yeah, fan boys describes them well.   Even the ones who act like they are not jumping on his bandwagon right now.

Useful idiots .... one and all.

 
 
 
Texan1211
9.3.6  Texan1211  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @9.3.4    4 weeks ago

Ok, got it now.

You can't admit that both parties do the same hypocritical things.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
9.3.7  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Texan1211 @9.3.6    4 weeks ago

When you admit that Trump is a POS not worthy of being in the WH, then I'll admit that both parties do hypocritical things.....

Come on Tex.... you can do it.....!

 
 
 
Texan1211
9.3.8  Texan1211  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @9.3.7    4 weeks ago

Ah, so you are incapable of or unwilling to admitting something so obvious a 5 years old child could see the hypocrisy.

Continue on.

 
 
 
Sparty On
9.3.9  Sparty On  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @9.3.7    4 weeks ago
When you admit that Trump is a POS not worthy of being in the WH, then I'll admit that both parties do hypocritical things.....

Wow, now there is some solid reasoning there .....

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
9.3.10  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @9.3.7    4 weeks ago

He won't because they would repossess his Trumpy Bear.

 
 
 
Texan1211
9.3.11  Texan1211  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @9.3.10    4 weeks ago
He won't because they would repossess his Trumpy Bear.

Perhaps instead of spending time insulting me, you could actually read what I have posted.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
9.3.12  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Texan1211 @9.3.8    4 weeks ago

Hmmmmmm.... put the shoe on the other foot, and you'll see it fits perfectly Tex.

 
 
 
Texan1211
9.3.13  Texan1211  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @9.3.12    4 weeks ago

The difference between us is in these posts:

Me---Isn't that exactly what both parties do? Hate someone until he does something you approve of? Or like someone until he does something you don't approve of?

You--

When you admit that Trump is a POS not worthy of being in the WH, then I'll admit that both parties do hypocritical things.....

Come on Tex.... you can do it.....!

Here, I'll take two minutes and point out the glaring difference.

Me---admitting that both parties do the same hypocritical things.

You--only willing to admit to anything IF someone else does something YOU want.

Go ahead and spin that, too.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
9.3.14  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Sparty On @9.3.9    4 weeks ago

Wow, now there is some solid reasoning there .....

Equal or better reasoning than we get from any Trump-Fluffers.

Face it Sparty, even the moderate pubs are lining up to dump Trump to get Biden elected in order to try and save down ballot republicans.  Trump is far from done, but that that fork is getting closer.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
9.3.15  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Texan1211 @9.3.13    4 weeks ago

Ahhhh Tex.....Isn't that special.....!

Anyone paying attention knows that I stand squarely with the US Constitution above all else, and I already know how both parties suck in so many ways....  

What I want you to admit to is that you are willing to put country over party which would mean you understand that Trump is a domestic enemy of that same US Constitution.

 
 
 
Texan1211
9.3.16  Texan1211  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @9.3.15    4 weeks ago

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MUVA
9.3.17  MUVA  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @9.3.15    4 weeks ago

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Sparty On
9.3.18  Sparty On  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @9.3.14    4 weeks ago

Your anger is clearly clouding your judgement.

The resist Trump movement has been a biased, disingenuous, hypocritical piece of shit from day one.

I'll admit that.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
9.3.19  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Sparty On @9.3.18    4 weeks ago
The resist Trump movement has been a biased, disingenuous, hypocritical

The resist Trump movement has been rational, based upon observations of words and actions taken by this President, genuine, consistent and growing as more and more evidence shows us how right we have been all along. If it smells like a vile piece of shit wannabe dictator, walks like a vile piece of shit wannabe dictator, talks like a piece of shit wannabe dictator, it's probably a piece of shit wannabe dictator.

 
 
 
Sparty On
9.3.20  Sparty On  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @9.3.19    4 weeks ago

Opinions do vary ...... greatly!

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
9.3.21  FLYNAVY1  replied to  MUVA @9.3.17    4 weeks ago

The oath of enlistment and Article I of the POW Code of Conduct are on a brass and walnut plaque that has adorned every office desk I've occupied since I left the service.MUVA.  If we can believe you, you swore an oath to the same, otherwise your just one of the followers of Trump the Pied Piper, with everything else being secondary.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
9.3.22  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Sparty On @9.3.20    4 weeks ago
Opinions do vary ...... greatly!

Obviously it's the perspective. Some have their heads shoved so far up Trumps ass they couldn't tell truth from fiction so can only regurgitate whatever dirty Donald feeds them. Others who have stayed outside the Trump ring are able to observe him objectively. Even those who briefly joined the Trump administration and tried to work with him and were life long Republican loyalists have left that shallow cesspool of corruption and have warned the rest of us about how bad it really is in there.

“Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people—does not even pretend to try. Instead, he tries to divide us,” “I swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution. Never did I dream that troops taking that same oath would be ordered under any circumstance to violate the Constitutional rights of their fellow citizens—much less to provide a bizarre photo op for the elected commander-in-chief, with military leadership standing alongside.” - Former Defense Secretary James Mattis

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
9.3.23  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Sparty On @9.3.20    4 weeks ago

Well considering moderate republicans are finding Trump too offensive to the point of supporting Biden....that should give you a clue as to which opinions are aligning against Trump and why.

 
 
 
Sparty On
9.3.24  Sparty On  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @9.3.22    4 weeks ago

Obviously.

Yeah, many of the TDS ridden have had their heads shoved so deeply up their keisters for the last 3 plus years they may never see the light of day ever again..

Poor things, watching them flail around like wounded animals on the road for the last three plus years has been tough on the compassionate of us but we'll continue to stay the course.   We'll have to for at least four more years.

No choice really ......

 
 
 
Sparty On
9.3.25  Sparty On  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @9.3.23    4 weeks ago

Yawn ..... Never Trumpers Reps have been around since he announced he was running.   Many of them are pure RINO.   It's nothing new  .....

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
9.3.26  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Sparty On @9.3.25    4 weeks ago

Many of them are pure RINO.   It's nothing new  .....

If you say so, but I sure as hell don't remember any RINOs generating political adds and fund raising efforts to get a democratic presidential nominee elected.....

What it really looks like is that the "moderates" of the GOP are wanting out of the rabbit hole they followed Trump down in 2016

 
 
 
Sparty On
9.3.27  Sparty On  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @9.3.26    4 weeks ago

Good luck with those hopes and dreams ... you're gonna need it.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
9.3.28  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Sparty On @9.3.27    4 weeks ago

I've got political ads by republicans against trump, and public statements by a former Trump appointee that says he's organizing financial resources for Biden....

What have you got that keeps you basking in the Trump radioactive glow....?

 
 
 
Sparty On
9.3.29  Sparty On  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @9.3.28    4 weeks ago
I've got political ads by republicans against trump,

Like i said, nothing new there.

and public statements by a former Trump appointee that says he's organizing financial resources for Biden....

Clinton outspent Trump nearly two to one.   How did that work out for you?

What have you got that keeps you basking in the Trump radioactive glow....?

Lol .... i'll leave the need to "bask" to you and your fellow Trump resisters.   I think you're gonna need all the help you can get but suffice it to say that you'll be lucky to get your present candidate (babbling Biden) to the November election.

The botox finally leaking into his brain is clearly becoming problematic ....

 
 
 
dennis smith
9.3.30  dennis smith  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @9.3.4    4 weeks ago

Trump voters see Bolton for exactly what he is. An angry old man who got fired from his job and is desperately trying to deflect his anger away from himself. Sour grapes and nothing else.  . 

 
 
 
Karri
9.3.31  Karri  replied to  Texan1211 @9.3.3    4 weeks ago
Bolton was FAR from a favorite of the left UNTIL he wrote the book.

As far as I can tell, "the left" is still less than enamored with him.  I won't buy a book from a money-grubber who couldn't bother to speak up when it meant something.  I am hearing much the same thing from many progressives.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
10  seeder  JohnRussell    4 weeks ago

 
 
 
Nerm_L
11  Nerm_L    4 weeks ago

So impeach Trump, already.  If Democrats need an excuse then Bolton has supplied it.

But don't allow people of John Bolton's ilk to use slanderous gossip to shape policy, particularly foreign policy.  Bolton is employing the same methods as Russia uses to impose their own policy onto other governments.  John Bolton is a poster child for screwing up the world.  John Bolton isn't an enemy of your enemy; Bolton doesn't care that much about you.  Bolton is working to advance his own stupid policy ideas and doesn't care about the consequences.

 
 
 
pat wilson
11.1  pat wilson  replied to  Nerm_L @11    4 weeks ago
But don't allow people of John Bolton's ilk to use slanderous gossip to shape policy, particularly foreign policy.  Bolton is employing the same methods as Russia uses to impose their own policy onto other governments.  John Bolton is a poster child for screwing up the world.  John Bolton isn't an enemy of your enemy; Bolton doesn't care that much about you.  Bolton is working to advance his own stupid policy ideas and doesn't care about the consequences.

There would be a lot more truth to those statements if you substitute "trump" for every use of "bolton".

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
11.2  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Nerm_L @11    4 weeks ago

Still can't see or admit that Trump is a POS when even members of your own party are coming out against him..... and it's just not Bolton....!

Yep, your Trump indoctrination is complete.

 
 
 
Texan1211
11.2.1  Texan1211  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @11.2    4 weeks ago

My earlier post proves yours is nothing but a lie.

Isn't that exactly what both parties do? Hate someone until he does something you approve of? Or like someone until he does something you don't approve of?

Piss off with your crap about indoctrination. [deleted]

 
 
 
JohnRussell
11.2.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @11.2    4 weeks ago

I doubt, if Bolton came out with accusations of corruption and stupidity by Joe Biden , that all these guys would be rushing to dismiss Bolton.  Doubt? Hell I know they wouldnt be.  

 
 
 
Texan1211
11.2.3  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @11.2.2    4 weeks ago

Very good. Now YOU have also pointed out the hypocrisy that some can't seem to see.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
11.2.4  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @11.2.3    4 weeks ago

We have already waited 4 years for you to see Trump is not fit for office. [deleted]

 
 
 
Texan1211
11.2.5  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @11.2.4    4 weeks ago

Considering the source of that endless ridicule, it means nothing to me.

Didn't ask for nor need any apology from you, especially a fake one.

 
 
 
MUVA
11.2.6  MUVA  replied to  JohnRussell @11.2.2    4 weeks ago

No way the left made such a good argument for Bolton being a cad I can’t believe anything he has published.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
11.2.7  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Texan1211 @11.2.5    4 weeks ago

And the truth seems to be just as unimportant to you when it comes to Trump.....  and keep in mind that ridicule is coming from republican groups now too....

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
11.2.8  FLYNAVY1  replied to  MUVA @11.2.6    4 weeks ago

Then how do you explain the Lincoln Republicans, and other super-packs aligning against Trump.  They are from the same party you claim to be from, or is it that you only support Trump at the expense of all others?

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
11.2.9  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  MUVA @11.2.6    4 weeks ago
No way the left made such a good argument for Bolton being a cad I can’t believe anything he has published.

The truth is you don't want to believe anything he said because it is counter to your preferred narrative about dirty Donald. You know you would be cheering Bolton and claiming he's to be respected if he was telling everyone that the impeachment was a hoax and that Democrats are evil, you know, whispering the sweet nothings in your ear you're so desperate to hear. But because he's coming out speaking truth and exposing the guy you've invested in you take the supposed "lefts" word for it that Bolton is a "cad" (a man who behaves dishonorably, especially toward a woman) because he was attacked for his hawkishness in regards to the Middle East. I find it interesting that you call him a cad, behaving dishonorably towards a woman, did he disrespect your pretty widdle Donald?

 
 
 
Nerm_L
11.2.10  Nerm_L  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @11.2    4 weeks ago
Still can't see or admit that Trump is a POS when even members of your own party are coming out against him..... and it's just not Bolton....! Yep, your Trump indoctrination is complete.

I knew Trump was a POS before the last election.  The alternative was a POS, too.  But I also understand that John Bolton is a POS.

So, a POS is throwing crap about a POS and that's important because another POS lost an election.

And I'm supposed to believe the outrage passes the smell test?  Kinda difficult to avoid the stink.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
11.2.11  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Nerm_L @11.2.10    4 weeks ago

But you still defend Trump in the face of having an alternative in 2020.  An alternative that even moderate republicans are getting behind to elect.

Wear the stink all you want..... or take a shower, support the alternative and lend a hand in getting the stink out of the WH.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
11.2.12  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @11.2.11    4 weeks ago

There isn't enough water to wash away that stink.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
11.2.13  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @11.2.12    4 weeks ago

There isn't enough water to wash away that stink.

It's worth the effort though....

 
 
 
Nerm_L
11.2.15  Nerm_L  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @11.2.11    4 weeks ago
But you still defend Trump in the face of having an alternative in 2020.  An alternative that even moderate republicans are getting behind to elect. Wear the stink all you want..... or take a shower, support the alternative and lend a hand in getting the stink out of the WH.

Pointing out that the people opposing Trump are idiots somehow supports Trump?  Oh, that's right, the only thing needed to be better is not being Trump.

Where were all these virtuous patriots when Reagan and Clinton sold out the country?  Oh, that's right, they were kissing Henry Kissenger's and Alan Greenspan's backsides.  Not to worry, President Joe will defend the Reagan legacy.  John Bolton will be more than happy to lend a helping hand.  President Joe has to be better since he ain't Trump.

What color is the sky in POS land?

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
11.2.16  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Nerm_L @11.2.15    4 weeks ago
Oh, that's right, the only thing needed to be better is not being Trump.

That's about the only rational point in you entire post.  Biden isn't perfect by a long shot, and nobody I've seen on NT has said so, but he definitely will be better for the country as a whole.

You want to talk about Reagan and Clinton..... great, but you can't change history, and I'm pretty damn sure neither of them are in the WH right now.  So live in the past, or deal with the present danger that is Trump so America has a chance at a future.  

 
 
 
Nerm_L
11.2.17  Nerm_L  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @11.2.16    4 weeks ago
Biden isn't perfect by a long shot, and nobody I've seen on NT has said so, but he definitely will be better for the country as a whole.

No, President Joe won't be better for the country.  President Joe is a regressive, not a progressive.  That's the point everyone ignores when claiming Biden must be better since Biden ain't Trump.

You want to talk about Reagan and Clinton..... great, but you can't change history, and I'm pretty damn sure neither of them are in the WH right now.  So live in the past, or deal with the present danger that is Trump so America has a chance at a future. 

Reagan and Clinton will return to the WH when President Joe takes the oath of office.  Joe Biden was a Senator when Nixon was in office and Henry Kissinger laid the foundation for selling out the United States with the emotively satisfying pablum of peace through partnership.  Joe Biden was a Senator when Alan Greenspan was convincing Reagan and Clinton that Ayn Rand provided the model for how government should work and that the wealthy should be in control of everything. 

Joe Biden certainly made it possible to skim off a lot of tight white dollars while Atlas shrugged.  The country experienced five recessions during Joe Biden's time in the Senate.  And here we are today with the rich still getting richer and President Joe still promising to change that.

Yep, Trump is POS.  And President Joe has to be better because he ain't Trump.  Just be sure flushing the POS doesn't send the country down the drain, too.

 
 
 
loki12
11.2.18  loki12  replied to  Nerm_L @11.2.17    4 weeks ago

But you have to understand Nerm, Biden is to senile to be an active President, that's why they like him, he will do exactly what he is told, when he is told.  Do you want to know why the left is getting more desperate and angry, People have been lining up for trumps rally in Tulsa on the 20th since Monday, that's enthusiasm, on the other side nobody cares if Biden ever leaves the basement. 

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
11.2.19  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Nerm_L @11.2.17    4 weeks ago

Wow.... That's really some pretzel logic you've got going on there Nerm. It must have taken years to get that all figured out so neatly.  It's so special  I'm going to give you your own special place that I've never given anyone else.....   Have a good day! .

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
11.2.20  FLYNAVY1  replied to  loki12 @11.2.18    4 weeks ago

Do keep in mind that people use to line up and get excited for P.T. Barnum's shows too......  It's impossible not to draw comparisons between the two individuals don't you think?

 
 
 
loki12
11.2.21  loki12  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @11.2.20    4 weeks ago

Keep going with that, I won't possible end badly for Biden when he realizes people aren't even excited enough to go vote for him.  But Trump!

 
 
 
Nerm_L
11.2.22  Nerm_L  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @11.2.19    4 weeks ago
Wow.... That's really some pretzel logic you've got going on there Nerm. It must have taken years to get that all figured out so neatly.  It's so special  I'm going to give you your own special place that I've never given anyone else.....   Have a good day! .

At least that bit of gaslighting compares favorably with John Bolton's methods.  Look squirrel!!!

Didn't have to figure anything out.  It was only necessary to watch the industrial Midwest turn to rust.  We were supposed to get rich off the skim.  Making money was more important than creating wealth.  There isn't much left to save so, go ahead, let President Joe finish the job.

The United States can't even build destroyers anymore.  The Zumwalt class will be fantastic if it can fight from a dry dock.  And all those F-35s can provide air cover as long as they don't leave the line.  But a favored few skimmed a lot of tight white dollars off those techno wonders; which was really the purpose after all.  Peace through partnership.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
11.2.23  FLYNAVY1  replied to  loki12 @11.2.21    4 weeks ago

Hmmmm.....  Sure sounds like some Republicans are stoked up about voting for Biden.....

Republicans launch another pro-Biden Super PAC to help defeat Trump

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-group-idUSKBN23O33X

The Lincoln Project is an  American political action committee  formed in late 2019 by several prominent Republicans and former Republicans. The goal of the committee is to prevent the reelection of Donald Trump in the 2020 presidential election.

https://lincolnproject.us/

Do you have any links like these supporting your point of people not being excited to vote for Biden Loki?

 
 
 
loki12
11.2.24  loki12  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @11.2.23    4 weeks ago

Old news, Mr Kelly Ann Conway is just trying to remain relevant because he is jealous that he is a loser, and his wife is so successful.

https://nypost.com/2020/06/10/joe-biden-should-stay-in-his-basement-terry-mcauliffe/

Yes, Biden is so exciting that the democrat party wants him to stay in the basement, But you may be right, it may be dementia and not excitement that is keeping him hid away.

 
 
 
MUVA
11.2.25  MUVA  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @11.2.8    4 weeks ago

I have never claimed to be a republican I merely wouldn’t vote for a democrat under any circumstance now their policies do not jive with real Americans.

 
 
 
Sparty On
11.2.26  Sparty On  replied to  MUVA @11.2.25    4 weeks ago

Neither have I but because you don’t goosestep to a liberal progressive narrative on everything to them you are a Rep.

They have to label.    Truly independent thought is not possible for most of them.    They must get their programming from liberal hive to do their worker bee work.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
11.2.27  FLYNAVY1  replied to  loki12 @11.2.24    4 weeks ago

I give you a link from Reuters and you counter with the NY Post.  You've already lost the argument.

And in case you didn't notice...the announcement of that republican run super-pac working on behalf of the Biden campaign is from YESTERDAY.

Old news my ass....  you better get a firm grip on the reality of today my friend.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
11.2.28  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Sparty On @11.2.26    4 weeks ago

Liberals and progressives founded this country Sparty.  Conservatives like you would have us still under the rule of England.  

By the very definition of conservative..... being resistant to change you find those that are programmed to keep things the same.

 
 
 
loki12
11.2.29  loki12  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @11.2.27    4 weeks ago

Sigh, when you can't argue the content attack the source, it's what you have to due when you no longer have a leg to stand on.  Enjoy your blissful day.

 
 
 
loki12
11.2.30  loki12  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @11.2.28    4 weeks ago
Liberals and progressives founded this country Sparty

Another lie perpetrated by the left to entertain the uninformed.

 
 
 
loki12
11.2.31  loki12  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @11.2.27    4 weeks ago
.the announcement of that republican run super-pac working on behalf of the Biden campaign is from YESTERDAY.

I can't help it if you just found out about Mr Kelly Ann Conway.

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Named after Abraham Lincoln
Founded

December 17, 2019

That's not yesterday, and if you think them supporting who ever the democrat nominee was is breaking news, you really shouldn't be telling anyone they are uninformed.  

 
 
 
Sparty On
11.2.32  Sparty On  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @11.2.28    4 weeks ago
Liberals and progressives founded this country Sparty.  Conservatives like you would have us still under the rule of England.

You’re working overtime on your rationalizations today Navy.     The founders have little in common with progressive liberals of today.    I could go on and on but suffice it to say most of them were slave owners back then.    Later Democrats fought a civil war to keep slavery, Republicans fought to abolish it, so find another analogy, as that dog clearly don’t hunt.

By the very definition of conservative..... being resistant to change you find those that are programmed to keep things the same.

Unlike you I don’t identify directly with either party.    Clearly I lean more conservative but most of them are just as crooked and self serving as most Dems.    It’s just that they tend to track better with my main concern in life.    Liberty.    They don’t try to tell you how big your drink should be or what type of gun you should own or what group should get favored status because of something that was done to their great great great great great grand parents.   Etc, etc.

The founders are rolling around in their graves watching progressives trying to turn this country into a nanny state.

No doubt about it.

 
 
 
Suz
11.2.33  Suz  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @11.2    4 weeks ago
"Still can't see or admit that Trump is a POS when even members of your own party are coming out against him....."

Isn't your comment nothing more than a personal opinion of the guy? 

 
 
 
Krishna
11.3  Krishna  replied to  Nerm_L @11    4 weeks ago
But don't allow people of John Bolton's ilk to use slanderous gossip to shape policy, particularly foreign policy.

You should tell that to the person who appointed him!

 
 
 
dennis smith
12  dennis smith    4 weeks ago

The stink was removed in Jan 2017 when Obama and Biden left the WH. No sense in returning it by electing Biden.

After all it has taken Trump 3 + years to get rid of it. 

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
12.1  FLYNAVY1  replied to  dennis smith @12    4 weeks ago

Nah..... Not buying it Dennis.  You might try selling your opinions to the Lincoln Republicans on the matter though.

After all..... they are Republicans too.

 
 
 
Tessylo
13  Tessylo    4 weeks ago

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