Is Tammy Duckworth qualified to be president?

  

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By:  john-russell  •  2 weeks ago  •  148 comments

Is Tammy Duckworth qualified to be president?
She is an Asian American who flew helicopters in combat in Iraq and lost both her legs when her copter was hit with an enemy RPG. (She is also credited with coining the phrase "Cadet Bone Spurs" in reference to Trump.) The person on the podcast wants Duckworth to be the nominee because it will be very difficult for Trump to attack her. She has a real , earned, Purple Heart for example

Illinois junior U.S. senator, Tammy Duckworth , is apparently under consideration for the vice presidential nomination with Joe Biden. 

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I was listening to the NYT podcast The Argument and they were talking about the top VP contenders. One of the people on the show said Biden should pick Tammy Duckworth. His reasons were not so much about her qualifications as they were about her personal story and her personal character.  She is an Asian American who flew helicopters in combat in Iraq and lost both her legs when her copter was hit with an enemy RPG. (She is also credited with coining the phrase "Cadet Bone Spurs" in reference to Trump.)

The person on the podcast wants Duckworth to be the nominee because it will be very difficult for Trump to attack her. She has a real , earned, Purple Heart for example


Donald Trump Says Receiving a Purple Heart as a Gift Is ...






Aug 02, 2016  · — ASHBURN, VA -- In the wake of a New York Times report delving into his military deferments, Donald Trump said that receiving a Purple Heart as a gift is much easier than being awarded it for being wounded during military service.

At first glance though, Duckworth might not seem to have the resume of a U.S. president.  She has only been in Congress for 8 years, and only four as a US senator.  She is not a committee chairperson, and does not serve on any of the high profile senate committees. Her educational background does not jump off the page at you. Her masters degree is in international affairs. Her PhD is in "Human Services" from an online university.  Duckworth is not in the Democratic leadership in Congress. And she is not usually considered a particularly compelling speaker.

So, given that Joe Biden is 77 and there is a more than usual chance that his vice president might have to step in at the top, is Duckworth presidential material?

Once upon a time ( 5 years ago) the answer would be "questionable". But today, as we know now, she is completely qualified. This is the gift we have been given by the Trump ascension. Anyone and everyone is qualified to be president of the United States. You dont even have to be honest, upstanding, non-corrupt, or even intelligent or articulate. You can be a terrible public speaker, a dimwit, and a buffoon and still be qualified to run the country. 

On that scale, Tammy Duckworth is an outstanding candidate to assume the presidency if need be. She is honest, humble, intelligent, and sincere, and those characteristics are NOT EVEN REQUIRED. 

What a country. 



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JohnRussell
1  author  JohnRussell    2 weeks ago

Anyone Biden picks will be more fit to be president than the one we have now. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @1    2 weeks ago

 His reasons were not so much about her qualifications as they were about her personal story and her personal character. 

Being a president and leader of ALL the people requires much more than a personal story and good character...I respect her for her personal sacrifice and her service to the country, but she is not qualified to be president. Biden is the weakest and most dimwitted Democrat candidate in recorded history.

If Biden by some miracle wins, the Democrats best be very careful in who they pick for VP, because I believe the Dems will try to replace him with someone more hard left.

 
 
 
pat wilson
1.1.1  pat wilson  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1    2 weeks ago
but she is not qualified to be president

Didn't stop people from electing the asshole in the White House now, did it ?

 
 
 
CB
1.1.2  CB   replied to  Greg Jones @1.1    2 weeks ago

You seem to like to believe quite a number of weird, irresponsible ideas about democrats? Got any of those about today's republicans or are you good?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
1.1.3  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1    2 weeks ago
she is not qualified to be president.

I thought someone would say something like that. Greg , how did you keep a straight face when you typed that, seeing as how you support the atrocity currently in the White House ? 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
1.1.4  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  pat wilson @1.1.1    2 weeks ago

So what makes him unqualified to be President that his opposition wouldn't have exploited?

 
 
 
Suz
1.1.5  Suz  replied to  pat wilson @1.1.1    2 weeks ago

You bitch and moan about Trump and his lack of experience, but you don't find it a tad disturbing that people want another one just like him?   

Already, she's a joke.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
1.1.6  sandy-2021492  replied to  Suz @1.1.5    2 weeks ago

How is she just like him?  She has served in government.  She has shown herself to be intelligent and articulate.  She has an education that would be helpful - a master's degree in International Affairs.

And she's not an imbecile.  That alone puts her head and shoulders above Trump as a qualified candidate.

I don't find a Purple Heart recipient (one who actually earned it) to be a joke.

 
 
 
CB
1.1.7  CB   replied to  Suz @1.1.5    2 weeks ago

This comment alone is remarkable in how ill-informed it is. Drawing duplications that simply are not present. One of the drawing points for certain conservatives was just how rude and pitiless, Donald Trump can be mirroring themselves. Tammy Duckworth by comparison is civil and selfless.

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.1.8  Tessylo  replied to  Suz @1.1.5    2 weeks ago
'You bitch and moan about Trump and his lack of experience, but you don't find it a tad disturbing that people want another one just like him?    Already, she's a joke.'

Unbelievable.

She lost her legs in serving her country.

She is a hero.

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.1.9  Tessylo  replied to  Suz @1.1.5    2 weeks ago

'You bitch and moan about Trump and his lack of experience, but you don't find it a tad disturbing that people want another one just like him?   

Already, she's a joke.'

I find it disturbing that you're attacking Ms. Duckworth like this.  

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
1.1.10  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  pat wilson @1.1.1    2 weeks ago

I really don't care for the man, but either way, like it or not, he still won fair and square. I really don't care to see him reelected but I want a leftist liberal Democrat even less.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
1.1.11  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.8    2 weeks ago

I am curious if you would be saying the same if she were a Republican. Probably not...

 
 
 
Split Personality
1.1.12  Split Personality  replied to  Suz @1.1.5    2 weeks ago

A joke Suz?  Really?

Did you serve in the armed services?

Can you fly a helicopter?

Ever run for national office once?

Twice?

Had a couple of kids along the way?

Really, what are the qualifications for President nowadays?

Just asking for a friend that no longer participates here.

 
 
 
Split Personality
1.1.13  Split Personality  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.1.11    2 weeks ago

I think you misunderstood the comment but

going with yours...\

Then Duckworth would be running against Trump and I would be driving her car for her throughout her campaign.

 
 
 
dennis smith
1.1.14  dennis smith  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.1.6    2 weeks ago

She served her country well and deserves what she has accomplished but

"And shes's not an imbecile. That alone puts her head and shoulders above Trump as a qualified candidate."

Your opinion.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
1.1.15  sandy-2021492  replied to  dennis smith @1.1.14    2 weeks ago

Does the military generally allow imbeciles to pilot its helicopters?

And my opinion of Trump's imbecility is supported by members of his own administration.  Or former members, as the case may be.

 
 
 
Krishna
1.1.16  Krishna  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1    2 weeks ago
but she is not qualified to be president.

But then again, Trump certainly isn't either.

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.1.17  Tessylo  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.1.10    2 weeks ago
'I really don't care to see him reelected but I want a leftist liberal Democrat even less.'

What a hoot!

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.1.18  Tessylo  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.1.11    2 weeks ago
'I am curious if you would be saying the same if she were a Republican. Probably not...'

You are correct.  I have no respect, ZERO, ZILCH, NADA, DIDDLY SQUAT for the current crop of republicans/gop.  There is nothing good to say about them.   

But what does that have to with it?

Derail, deflect?  

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
1.1.19  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.1.11    2 weeks ago

You respect the service.... I respected Johnny Mac up to the point to where I almost voted for him.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
1.1.20  Trout Giggles  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.1.19    2 weeks ago

If he had won the nomination in 2016, I would have voted for him. But by then it was too late for him

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
1.1.21  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Split Personality @1.1.13    2 weeks ago

To each their own.

 
 
 
dennis smith
1.1.22  dennis smith  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.1.15    2 weeks ago

Agree with your 1st sentence totally (Unfortunately there are some who profess that anyone in the military is an imbecile)

As for your 2nd sentence, the same has been said of all Presidents. Again, just opinion

 
 
 
Gordy327
1.1.23  Gordy327  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.1.6    2 weeks ago

Not to mention she served her country in the military. That makes her a good contender for political office, as she was willing to and literally bled for her country as well as risking her very life. That's something to be admired and praised. She would be a good choice for VP. 

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
1.1.24  sandy-2021492  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.1.20    2 weeks ago

I would probably have voted for him in 2008, but Sarah Palin was an insult to the intelligence of women everywhere.  Assuming that they had my vote wrapped up by trotting her out was a mistake on the part of the GOP.

 
 
 
Gordy327
1.1.25  Gordy327  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.1.24    2 weeks ago

I think McCain's loss is largely due to Palin. Had he picked someone else, he might have had a better chance.

 
 
 
devangelical
1.1.26  devangelical  replied to  Gordy327 @1.1.25    2 weeks ago

idiotic nanook of the north cost mac the election

 
 
 
Gordy327
1.1.27  Gordy327  replied to  devangelical @1.1.26    2 weeks ago

That seems likely.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
1.1.28  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.1.24    2 weeks ago

I am a conservative Independent and Sara Palin was way too over the top for me! I also agree that McCain picking her as his VP choice cost him the election.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
1.1.29  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.1.19    2 weeks ago

In that we are in agreement. Him picking that nitwit Palin cinched it for me. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
1.1.30  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.1.28    2 weeks ago

Unfortunately I can't see Alaska from my balcony.  

I agree, naming Sara Palin was his big mistake. 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
1.1.31  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.17    2 weeks ago

And why is that?

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.1.32  Tessylo  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.1.31    2 weeks ago

Why what Ed?  I mean you're asking me a question from yesterday.

What?

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
1.1.33  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.32    2 weeks ago

Sorry, I did not see your response until today. Refer back to post #1.1.10 where I stated that I really do not care to see Trump reelected, but I really care to see a leftist liberal even less. Your reply in #1.1.17 was "What a hoot". Just curious as to the reason for your response.

 
 
 
Karri
1.1.34  Karri  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1    2 weeks ago
Democrat candidate

Okay, I am going to be the professor here again.  Nouns do not modify other nouns; it is something drilled into me by third grade. I find this misuse very distracting and, to me at least, it diminishes the writer's argument.  (Don't get me started on the use of homophones or other improperly used words!)

 
 
 
Karri
1.1.35  Karri  replied to  Suz @1.1.5    2 weeks ago
Already, she's a joke.

Are you talking about Sarah Palin?  

 
 
 
pat wilson
1.1.36  pat wilson  replied to  Suz @1.1.5    2 weeks ago
You bitch and moan

No. I don't, I leave that to others.

Tammy Duckworth has more real world experience under her pinkie finger nail than trump does in his whole bloated, disgusting body. Who's a joke ?

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
1.1.37  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1    6 days ago

She is MORE qualified than the Traitor in the WH who spends his time stealing, corrupting the Justice Department, sucking up to Putin, and turning America toward a RACE WAR to get himself re-elected.

Trump is a hate-filled scumbag.

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
1.1.38  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.1.33    6 days ago

What is a LEFTIST LIBERAL?

 
 
 
Kathleen
1.1.39  Kathleen  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.1.10    6 days ago

I feel pretty much the same.

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
1.1.40  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @1.1.38    6 days ago

Is Joe Biden a Leftist Liberal? 

What is Trump?

 
 
 
Kathleen
1.1.41  Kathleen  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.1.29    6 days ago

Agreed, huge mistake. 

 
 
 
MUVA
1.1.42  MUVA  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @1.1.38    6 days ago

I can help you find a mirror look in that mirror.

 
 
 
Kathleen
1.1.43  Kathleen  replied to  Split Personality @1.1.12    6 days ago

All those things you listed are admirable and she served her country and sacrificed a great deal...

For me she has only one problem, she is a Democrat. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
1.1.44  Split Personality  replied to  Kathleen @1.1.43    6 days ago
For me she has only one problem, she is a Democrat. 

I suppose one could thank you for your honesty, but that's sad.

You only restrict your own choices by labeling and sticking to said labels.

 
 
 
Kathleen
1.1.45  Kathleen  replied to  Split Personality @1.1.44    6 days ago

No, it’s not sad. Everyone has a preference.  What is sad is that people tend to think that if you don’t agree with me, you are wrong.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
1.1.46  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Split Personality @1.1.44    6 days ago

"You only restrict your own choices by labeling and sticking to said labels. " 

Interesting choice of words. So is it your position that if she had said she did not want a Republican that would have been okay? But because she said Democrat that was not. If that is the case, it seems you are guilty of the same thing you accused her of.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
1.1.47  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Kathleen @1.1.45    6 days ago

Well said Kathleen, well said!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
1.2  author  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @1    2 weeks ago

Frank Bruni column: Here’s why Tammy Duckworth is the obvious choice to be Joe Biden’s vice president pick


Whatever his wobbles, Joe Biden has, from the start of his presidential campaign, got one thing exactly right: The 2020 election  is  a battle for the soul of America. That’s not just a pretty slogan. It’s the stomach-knotting truth — and it’s the frame he should use for choosing his running mate.

She’s a paragon of the values that Donald Trump, for all his practice as a performer, can’t even pantomime. She’s best described by words that are musty relics in his venal and vainglorious circle: “sacrifice,” “honor,” “humility.” More than any of the many extraordinary women on Biden’s list of potential vice-presidential nominees, she’s the anti-Trump, the antidote to the ugliness he revels in and the cynicism he stokes.

Americans can feel good — no, wonderful — about voting for a ticket with Duckworth on it. And we’re beyond hungry for that. We’re starving.

That ache transcends all of the other variables that attend Biden’s deliberations as he appraises Elizabeth Warren, Kamala Harris, Val Demings and others: race, age, experience, exact position on the spectrum from progressive to moderate.

Duckworth, a former Army lieutenant colonel who lost both of her legs during combat duty in Iraq, is a choice that makes exquisite emotional and moral sense. Largely, but not entirely, because of that, she makes strategic sense, too.

For the uninitiated: Duckworth, 52, is in the fourth year of her first term in the Senate, before which she served two terms in the House. So, unlike several of the other vice-presidential contenders, she has ascended to what is conventionally considered the right political altitude for this next step.

But it’s her life story that really makes her stand out. It’s the harrowing chapter in Iraq, yes, but also how she rebounded from it, how she talks about it. It’s her attitude. Her grace.

As my colleague Jennifer Steinhauer explained in a recent profile of Duckworth in The Times, she didn’t just serve in the Army: She became a helicopter pilot, which isn’t a job brimming with women. And as she flew near Baghdad one day in 2004, her Blackhawk was struck by a rocket-propelled grenade. The explosion left her near death.

She later received a Purple Heart, but she bristles when she’s called a hero. That designation, she has often said, belongs to her co-pilot, Dan Milberg, and others who carried her from the wreckage and got her to safety.

She put it this way when, as part of a “Note to Self” feature on “CBS This Morning,” she read aloud a letter that she had written to the younger Tammy: “You’ll make it out alive completely because of the grit, sacrifice and outright heroism of  others.  You haven’t done anything to be worthy of their sacrifices, but these heroes will give you a second chance at life.” She paused there briefly, fighting back tears.

To Steinhauer she said, “I wake up every day thinking, ‘I am never going to make Dan regret saving my life.’” Her subsequent advocacy for veterans, her run for Congress, her election to the Senate: She casts all of it in terms of gratitude and an obligation to give back.

Tell me how Trump campaigns against that. Tell me how he mocks her — which is the only way he knows how to engage with opponents. Or, rather, tell me how he does so without seeming even more obscene than he already does and turning off everyone beyond the cultish segment of the electorate that will never abandon him. Duckworth on the Democratic ticket is like some psy-ops masterstroke, all the more so because it was she who nicknamed Trump “Cadet Bone Spurs.”

I asked her about that on the phone Thursday, remarking that it was uncharacteristically acerbic of her.

“This guy’s a bully,” she said. “And bullies need a taste of their own medicine.”

Warren, too, is terrific at giving Trump that. Her placement on the Democratic ticket might fire up the progressives who regard Biden warily. And she could make an excellent governing partner for him.

But mightn’t she also give moderate voters pause? What about her age? She’s 71. Biden’s 77. Can the party of change and modernity, whose last two presidents were both younger than 50 when first elected, go with an all-septuagenarian ticket?

Governing partners don’t matter if you don’t get to govern. The certain catastrophe of four more years of Trump demands that Biden choose his running mate with November at the front, the back, the top and the bottom of his mind.

Harris also ably prosecutes the case against Trump. But many progressives have issues with her, and the idea that she’d drive high turnout among black voters isn’t supported by her failed bid for the Democratic nomination. She lacked support across the board, including among African-Americans. And in a recent national poll conducted by The Times and Siena College, more than 4 in 5 voters — including 3 in 4 black voters — said that race shouldn’t be a factor in Biden’s vice-presidential pick.

Duckworth is neither progressive idol nor progressive enemy. That partly reflects a low policy profile that’s among her flaws as a running mate but could actually work to her advantage, making her difficult to pigeonhole and open to interpretation. Trump-weary voters can read into her what they want. And in recent congressional elections, Democrats have had success among swing voters with candidates who are veterans.

Duckworth certainly can’t be dismissed as the same old same old. Her vice-presidential candidacy would be a trailblazing one, emblematic of a more diverse and inclusive America. Born in Bangkok to an American father and a Thai mother, she’d be the first Asian American and the first woman of color on the presidential ticket of one of our two major parties.

She was the first U.S. senator to give birth while in office and the first to bring her baby onto the Senate floor. You want relatable? Duckworth has two children younger than 6. She’s a working mom.

She’s not the product of privilege: In fact her family hit such hard times when she was growing up in Hawaii that at one point she sold flowers by the side of the road. But she went on to get not only a college degree but also a master’s in international affairs.

Cards on the table: I’m not at all sure that running mates matter much on Election Day. There’s ample evidence that they don’t.

But in any given election, they sure as hell might. Biden would be a fool, given the stakes, not to consider his running mate a victory clincher or deal breaker and to choose her accordingly.

Duckworth’s virtues include everything that I’ve mentioned plus this: She projects a combination of confidence and modesty, of toughness and warmth, that’s rare — and that’s a tonic in these toxic times.

I asked her whether she deems Trump a patriot. She said that he wraps himself in the American flag — a flag, she noted, that will someday drape her coffin — for the wrong reasons.

“I would leap into a burning fire to pull that flag to safety, but I will fight to the death for your right to burn it,” she told me. “The most patriotic thing you can do is not necessarily putting on the uniform but speaking truth to power, exercising your First Amendment rights — that’s what created America, right?”

I asked her how it felt to have her name floated as a possible vice-presidential nominee.

“It’s surreal, right?” she said, recalling that she was once “a hungry kid who fainted in class for lack of nutrition. It’s unbelievable I’m even a U.S. senator.”

“But it’s one team, one fight,” she added, referring to the Democratic quest to defeat Trump. “I will work as hard as I can to get Joe Biden elected because the country needs it. It doesn’t matter where I end up on that team.”

Yes, Sen. Duckworth, it does. In the right role, you could help guarantee the right outcome.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
1.2.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2    one week ago

BRAVO!!!

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
1.2.2  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2    6 days ago

Thank you for that brilliant post, as always, packed with facts and no Bull Chips. You are my HERO!

 
 
 
Gordy327
1.2.3  Gordy327  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2    6 days ago

I have to say, after that editorial, Senator Duckworth certainly seems like a good VP choice: she has political experience, is a wounded military veteran, had a leadership position, is humble, is educated, didn't grow up privileged, and generally seems to care about the country overall rather than political parties. While I'd like to see what the other potential VP candidates can bring to the table, Senator Duckworth seems like a solid pic. A presidential candidate's VP pick can be a make-or-break deal for their campaign.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
1.2.4  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Gordy327 @1.2.3    6 days ago

I think on character ,and policy, Tammy Duckworth is very solid. She is a progressive but a moderate progressive I guess you could say.

Her major "flaw" is that she is not a highly polished public speaker and her charisma is more subtle than you might want in a candidate. 

 
 
 
Gordy327
1.2.5  Gordy327  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2.4    6 days ago
I think on character ,and policy, Tammy Duckworth is very solid.

Fair enough.

She is a progressive but a moderate progressive I guess you could say.

Nothing wrong with that.

Her major "flaw" is that she is not a highly polished public speaker and her charisma is more subtle than you might want in a candidate. 

And I don't think she can be appointed President if Joe Biden suddenly couldn't continue his presidency, as she is not American born.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
1.2.6  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Gordy327 @1.2.3    6 days ago

If it were to come down to it, I would rather see Duckworth as president far more than Biden or Trump.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
1.2.7  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Gordy327 @1.2.5    6 days ago

Not necessarily true regarding american born  citizenship. She was born in Thailand to a Thai mother and a American father on miltary active duty in Thailand. As such, and especially if she was born on a U.S. military installation which is considered sovereign U.S. territory, it is the same as if she had been physically born in Hawaii or the continental United States.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
1.2.8  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Gordy327 @1.2.5    6 days ago

If she wasnt eligible to be president I dont think they would be considering her.  Her situation is much like John McCain's was - born overseas with a US military parent. 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
1.2.9  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2.8    6 days ago

Good point John. As Panema was still a U.S. Trust Territoty as the time McCain was born there on a military installation there,  as you said he falls under the same category I listed above for Duckworth.

 
 
 
Gordy327
1.2.10  Gordy327  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.2.6    6 days ago
If it were to come down to it, I would rather see Duckworth as president far more than Biden or Trump.

As would I. She is a least much more qualified to handle the position.

 if she was born on a U.S. military installation which is considered sovereign U.S. territory, it is the same as if she had been physically born in Hawaii or the continental United States.

Good point. I had not considered that.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
1.2.11  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Gordy327 @1.2.10    6 days ago

As a 20 year U.S. Navy Hospital Corpsman with years on small bases overseas, I physically assisted in the delivery of numerous infants. I was also responsible for the submission of paperwork for birth certificates and citizenship paperwork through the U.S. Embassy in the host country.

 
 
 
Gordy327
1.2.12  Gordy327  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.2.11    6 days ago

Thank you for sharing.

 
 
 
Thomas
2  Thomas    2 weeks ago

As far as the high class degree goes, that is more like spending money to get in with the big money people. It is mostly still not what you know, but who you know.

 
 
 
MUVA
2.1  MUVA  replied to  Thomas @2    2 weeks ago

Are you living in a time warp? I take offense to that statement all four of my kids black went to and are still attending colleges on their own merit.My oldest is a doctor a UVA  and Vanderbilt  grad my daughter graduated from ODU my middle son Emery and Gorge Mason and now EVMS my youngest ODU still attending.Do you think they got in because of connection or because they worked hard.

 
 
 
Thomas
2.1.1  Thomas  replied to  MUVA @2.1    2 weeks ago

Sorry. did not mean to offend you. (I thought you said that you didn't get offended? jrSmiley_9_smiley_image.gif ) They undoubtedly worked hard and deserved everything that they have worked for. But people can work just as hard, be just as smart and still not make it into a prestige university.

I wasn't talking about the admissions process, anyway. I was talking about once you are in them, the connections that you do make are much more lucrative professionally than the connections at a college with less prestige. I shall try to be more clear...

 
 
 
MUVA
2.1.2  MUVA  replied to  Thomas @2.1.1    2 weeks ago

You read the whole of my statements then get back to me.Yes Asian students are suing university's because they are being denied admission because they are wait for it Asian.   

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
2.1.3  sandy-2021492  replied to  MUVA @2.1.2    2 weeks ago

Nobody but you has said anything about either race-based admissions practices, nor any student being admitted or graduating based on anything other than their merits.  Thomas said prestigious schools are often superior to cheaper ones only due to the networking opportunities they provide.

 
 
 
MUVA
2.1.4  MUVA  replied to  sandy-2021492 @2.1.3    2 weeks ago

I could careless what you have to say so you go on ignore you are the first and only.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
2.1.5  sandy-2021492  replied to  MUVA @2.1.4    2 weeks ago

Well, I'm of the opinion that before one gets upset, one should be sure that one is getting upset over something that was actually said.  Thomas didn't say anything remotely related to what you're arguing about.  So you're kind of arguing with yourself here.  Oh, well.

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.1.6  Tessylo  replied to  Thomas @2.1.1    2 weeks ago

You didn't say anything about MUVA.  There's no reason for him to take offense to anything you say. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.1.7  Tessylo  replied to  MUVA @2.1    2 weeks ago

What does your childrens' race have to do with anything?

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.1.8  Tessylo  replied to  MUVA @2.1.2    2 weeks ago
What's your problem MUVA? Why are you attacking Thomas?
 
 
 
MUVA
2.1.9  MUVA  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.7    2 weeks ago

Read his post then get back to me he even recognized the error of his ways.

 
 
 
MUVA
2.1.10  MUVA  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.8    2 weeks ago

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Ender
2.1.11  Ender  replied to  MUVA @2.1.9    2 weeks ago

He is not wrong and I don't think you understand his post at all.

Do you think hobnobbing with the elite would not give one a leg up?

That prestige does not carry any weight?

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.1.12  Tessylo  replied to  MUVA @2.1.10    2 weeks ago

No, you are attacking Thomas for things he didn't say.   Repeatedly.  

 
 
 
MUVA
2.1.13  MUVA  replied to  Ender @2.1.11    2 weeks ago

My brother went to west point on one of  my sisters went to U Michigan  and the other to Mt saint Mary's and got MBA from Duke all on their own merit and they are black so I disagree the only way people get into college is by connections.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
2.1.14  sandy-2021492  replied to  MUVA @2.1.13    2 weeks ago
so I disagree the only way people get into college is by connections.

You're ignoring me, so you'll continue in this misperception, but for shits and giggles, I'm going to point out that this is NOT what Thomas said.  He was referring to the connections one gains while in college, not to how one gets there.

 
 
 
MUVA
2.1.15  MUVA  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.12    2 weeks ago

There was no attack just a question it would behoove you to know the differance.

 
 
 
Ender
2.1.16  Ender  replied to  MUVA @2.1.13    2 weeks ago

As Sandy said, still not what Thomas was talking about.

Was talking about connections that can be made once in the position.

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.1.17  Tessylo  replied to  MUVA @2.1.13    2 weeks ago

Again, something Thomas didn't say.

 
 
 
Krishna
2.1.18  Krishna  replied to  MUVA @2.1.2    2 weeks ago
because they are wait for it Asian.   

What's a "wait for it Asian"?

(I suppose its the opposite of a "Get it Now Asian"?

 
 
 
devangelical
2.1.19  devangelical  replied to  MUVA @2.1    6 days ago
Do you think they got in because of connection or because they worked hard.

quota fillers?

 
 
 
JumpDrive
2.2  JumpDrive  replied to  Thomas @2    2 weeks ago
It is mostly still not what you know, but who you know.

This is exactly what happened to me. I got into a fairly high end engineering school & ended up with undergrad & graduate degrees. However, during my sophomore year I met someone who gave me a intern job. I ended up graduating with years of real world experience, and recommendations from people for whom I worked. Not one person who interviewed me for my first job out gave even the slightest shit about the degrees. The recommendations and projects accomplished list were golden keys.

Six years after graduating, I started a computer consulting firm. I had to learn to interview. I learned pretty quickly that completely useless people could get degrees. We ended up giving people tests where they had to write a little program. These were really simple, but fewer than 1 in 10 could do them. Needless to say, I am not impressed by degrees. What a degree in the absence of experience means is that the person is not hard-code uneducable; you *might* be able to teach them to do something useful.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
3  Sean Treacy    2 weeks ago

She’s not black. Isn’t that the defining characteristic for the dems?

 
 
 
pat wilson
4  pat wilson    2 weeks ago

She would be an excellent choice.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
4.1  Greg Jones  replied to  pat wilson @4    2 weeks ago

Why?

 
 
 
CB
4.1.1  CB   replied to  Greg Jones @4.1    2 weeks ago

She has proper credentials. She is likeable. She appears to be grounded in commonsense and in her professionalism. That said, the job of president seems to be going in the other direction, but whose fault is it? All the truly "senior" power players for the job are discounted, canceled out, or fed up with the trash-talk they get from the 24/7 news cycles!

 
 
 
Kavika
5  Kavika     2 weeks ago

I think that she would be a good pick as VP.

 
 
 
Suz
5.1  Suz  replied to  Kavika @5    2 weeks ago

Why??  Please.

 
 
 
Tessylo
5.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Suz @5.1    2 weeks ago

Why not?? Please.

 
 
 
Suz
6  Suz    2 weeks ago

She's in a wheelchair.  That's why some of you want her because they think Trump won't be critical of her?   At that point, it would be the Democrats taking heat for putting her out there. 

I don't know that that's a smart thing to do. 

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
6.1  sandy-2021492  replied to  Suz @6    2 weeks ago

She's in a wheelchair because she lost her legs in service of her country.  If Trump attacks her, that's on him.  If Trump attacks her and anybody blames the Dems, those folks would be barking up the wrong tree.

 
 
 
Krishna
6.1.1  Krishna  replied to  sandy-2021492 @6.1    2 weeks ago
She's in a wheelchair because she lost her legs in service of her country.  If Trump attacks her, that's on him.  If Trump attacks her and anybody blames the Dems, those folks would be barking up the wrong tree.

Look, let's face it. If Jesus was running for president, Trump would attack him.

 
 
 
Krishna
6.1.2  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @6.1.1    2 weeks ago

Look, let's face it. If Jesus was running for president, Trump would attack him.

And what's even worse, some of those asshole Evangelicals would still continue to support Trump!

(There's no cure for "Stuck on Stupid")

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.1.3  Tessylo  replied to  Krishna @6.1.1    2 weeks ago

'Look, let's face it. If Jesus was running for president, Trump would attack him.'

For being a liberal/leftist!

 
 
 
Gordy327
6.1.4  Gordy327  replied to  sandy-2021492 @6.1    2 weeks ago

If Trump attacks her, that will reflect poorly on him and possibly incur the ire of Veterans. 

 
 
 
lady in black
6.2  lady in black  replied to  Suz @6    2 weeks ago
She's in a wheelchair.  That's why some of you want her because they think Trump won't be critical of her?   At that point, it would be the Democrats taking heat for putting her out there

She served this country honorable...we all know crooked donnie loves to mock people, we've seen what he did to John McCain...the only thing crooked donnie served were bone spurs.

If he makes fun of her it's on HIM...NO one else.

  

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
6.2.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  lady in black @6.2    2 weeks ago

If, as Anne Frank would have said, Americans are good people at heart, they will see her as a person and overlook her physical disability.  Let's see what Trump DOES say about her - and if it is, as expected, negative, let's see how good Americans feel about that.  It could greatly improve her opportunity, just as it did for Jean Chretien in Canada.

self.gutenberg.org/articles/eng/1993_Chrétien_ attack _ad

https://www.cbc.ca/archives/the- attack-ad-that-backfired-badly-in-1993 -1.5291777

 
 
 
CB
6.3  CB   replied to  Suz @6    2 weeks ago

What's wrong with being in a wheelchair? She is disabled; she works; she walks on supports; she goes to the Capitol. As for as a disable person who can't cope-she isn't. What's the wheelchair got to do with great thinking abilities?

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
6.4  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Suz @6    2 weeks ago
She's in a wheelchair.  That's why some of you want her because they think Trump won't be critical of her? 

What?  Wow.  You say that like he is well-known for his deep respect of others in regard to things that might make them different from him.  

 
 
 
Thomas
6.5  Thomas  replied to  Suz @6    2 weeks ago

Just let him try. He would get eaten alive, not to mention that he might fall and hurt himself.. 

 
 
 
Kathleen
6.5.1  Kathleen  replied to  Thomas @6.5    6 days ago

Yes, it would. 

As you can see by this thread, if anyone has a problem with this lady being VP, they will certainly get eaten up alive.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.6  Tessylo  replied to  Suz @6    2 weeks ago
'She's in a wheelchair.  That's why some of you want her because they think Trump won't be critical of her?   At that point, it would be the Democrats taking heat for putting her out there.  I don't know that that's a smart thing to do.'

If Ms. Duckworth were to be nominated, I can only imagine the shitty things that would fall out of his asshole of a mouth.  Look what he said about John McCain -  another man who served his country.

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.6.2  Tessylo  replied to  MUVA @6.6.1    2 weeks ago

So?

So some on the left target McCain's war record.

So?

What does that have to do with it?

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.6.4  Tessylo  replied to  MUVA @6.6.3    2 weeks ago

Because the shitstain draft dodging 'president' tRump attacked him.  

I also wasn't the first to bring up Mr. McCain's war record either.  

 
 
 
MUVA
6.6.5  MUVA  replied to  Tessylo @6.6.4    2 weeks ago

Would you like more examples of hypocrisy?

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.6.6  Tessylo  replied to  MUVA @6.6.5    2 weeks ago

Don't bother.  No hypocrisy on my part.

 
 
 
Krishna
6.6.7  Krishna  replied to  MUVA @6.6.5    2 weeks ago
Would you like more examples of hypocrisy?

Sure, why not?

I'm sure some folks here are looking for some new and highly creative ways to derail conversations!

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.6.8  Tessylo  replied to  MUVA @6.6.5    2 weeks ago

tRump even attacked McCain after he was dead.  McCain's family didn't want tRump at his funeral either.

Kick 'em when they're up

Kick 'em when they're down

Kick 'em when they're stiff

Kick 'em all around

 
 
 
Gordy327
6.6.9  Gordy327  replied to  Tessylo @6.6    2 weeks ago

I think McCain would have been a good President.  It makes sense for the Commander-in-Chief to have served in the armed forces.

 
 
 
Kathleen
6.6.10  Kathleen  replied to  Gordy327 @6.6.9    6 days ago

Agree, I always felt all Presidents should have served.

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.7  Tessylo  replied to  Suz @6    2 weeks ago

Of course tRump will blame Democrats for ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING

What's your point dear?

 
 
 
dennis smith
6.7.1  dennis smith  replied to  Tessylo @6.7    2 weeks ago
Just as the Dems blame Trump for ANYTHING and EVERYTHING. 
{Notice Trump's name is spelled correctly)

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.7.2  Tessylo  replied to  dennis smith @6.7.1    2 weeks ago

This is the correct spelling:  tRump

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.8  Tessylo  replied to  Suz @6    2 weeks ago

tRump is suffering from many mental handicaps.

I mean he is as crazy as a shithouse rat, to begin with.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
7  author  JohnRussell    2 weeks ago

Here are the odds for various people to become Biden's vice presidential nominee, according to the site  https://www.presidentialelectionodds.net/

  • Kamala Harris   1-1
  • Val Demings   4-1
  • Susan Rice   5-1
  • Elizabeth Warren  12-1
  • Keisha Lance Bottoms   18-1
  • Michelle Obama   25-1
  • Stacey Abrams   25-1
  • Tammy Duckworth 25-1
  • Michelle Lujan Grisham   28-1
  • Gretchen Whitmer   50-1
  • Andrew Cuomo   100-1
  • Catherine Cortez Masto   100-1
  • Hillary Clinton   100-1
  • Tammy Baldwin   100-1
  • Tulsi Gabbard   100-1
 
 
 
sandy-2021492
7.1  sandy-2021492  replied to  JohnRussell @7    2 weeks ago

I don't see how Michelle Obama is even that high, considering she has expressed no intention of taking public office herself.

 
 
 
Ender
7.1.1  Ender  replied to  sandy-2021492 @7.1    2 weeks ago

I think she is just popular. People still really like her.

 
 
 
Adam_Selene
7.2  Adam_Selene  replied to  JohnRussell @7    2 weeks ago

I like Harris but I would really really like to see her as Attorney General. It would be glorious.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
7.2.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  Adam_Selene @7.2    2 weeks ago

I think that would be a wise choice

 
 
 
JohnRussell
7.3  author  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @7    2 weeks ago

I think it's going to be Susan Rice.   She would be the most ready of all of them to step in as president if Biden became "unavailable". 

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
7.3.1  Dean Moriarty  replied to  JohnRussell @7.3    2 weeks ago

Yes she wants to make slaves out of free people I could see him picking her.

" A reported possible Joe Biden vice presidential pick this week reiterated her support for a program that would require all Americans to dedicate time in service to their country, at least in a civilian capacity.'  

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2020/06/26/mandatory-national-service-would-create-more-equal-society-former-nsa-rice-says.html

 
 
 
JohnRussell
7.3.2  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Dean Moriarty @7.3.1    2 weeks ago

There are a lot of people across the political spectrum that have advocated for a form of national service. 

Should the U.S. have drafted men into the armed forces during WW2, or should it have just waited and hoped that enough people would enlist ? 

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
7.3.3  Dean Moriarty  replied to  JohnRussell @7.3.2    2 weeks ago

The draft for Vietnam was a failure that ruined many men’s lives for nothing. I fully support Jimmy Carter’s decision to pardon the draft dodgers. 

 
 
 
CB
7.3.4  CB   replied to  Dean Moriarty @7.3.1    2 weeks ago

I am pretty sure you have misappropriated the word, "slavery" in the context of its prior operation in this country. But, you know what? I think you meant to do that!

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
8  Buzz of the Orient    2 weeks ago

At least she's had more experience in government than Trump did.  If she's capable of appointing and listening to ministers, staff and advisers who are themselves intelligent and capable, then why not?  As for her disability, has everyone forgotten Franklin D Roosevelt?

Of course Trump already has ammunition to use against her.  Tammy's mother was of Chinese Ancestry, and he's already sown enough xenophobia against Chinese people with his racist comments, and is bound to use her ancestry as a weapon (that he created) against her. 

 
 
 
Adam_Selene
8.1  Adam_Selene  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @8    2 weeks ago

Her link to China as a Thai Chinese is about 130 years more distant than Mitch McConnell's wife's link. That might be an interesting discussion on the debate stage.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
8.1.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Adam_Selene @8.1    2 weeks ago

Well, as you know it's an ancient civilization, and if she were named VP you can bet your boots that even if she were 1300 years more distant than Mitch McConnell's wife's link, Trump would slander her for her ancestry.  Or do you think that he's too kind or polite to not do that?

 
 
 
Adam_Selene
8.1.2  Adam_Selene  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @8.1.1    2 weeks ago

The first president with not one but two wives from Communist countries. Yep, this could get nasty.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
8.1.3  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Adam_Selene @8.1.2    2 weeks ago

LOL

 
 
 
CB
8.2  CB   replied to  Buzz of the Orient @8    2 weeks ago

I did not forget FDR! No way. Just did not see an opening to mention it! Good job on the insert, Buzz!

 
 
 
Adam_Selene
9  Adam_Selene    2 weeks ago

Before the Trump administration I would have said - yes she is very well qualified.

Now however, while she is still very well qualified to be president, the bar is so much lower that even my cat might meet the requirements. At least my cat knows enough to just poop in her litter box. (Ok there was this one time I left my cap on the floor ...)

 
 
 
Krishna
10  Krishna    2 weeks ago

it will be very difficult for Trump to attack her. She has a real , earned, Purple Heart for example

Why would it be difficult? It wasn't difficult to attack Mattis as well as several other high ranking (and highly accomplished) military officers.

 
 
 
Krishna
11  Krishna    2 weeks ago
because they are wait for it Asian.   

What's a "wait for it Asian"?

(I suppose its the opposite of a "Get it Now Asian"?

 
 
 
Gsquared
12  Gsquared    2 weeks ago

Is Tammy Duckworth qualified to be President?

Yes.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
13  Sean Treacy    one week ago

Well she told a brazen lie about trumps Independence Day  speech in her first big national interview, so she’s moving toward the top of the leaderboard. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
13.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @13    6 days ago

I think she conflated a bunch of Trump's recent speeches and comments. 

So now that Tammy Duckworth has "lied" once, is she on an equal plane with Trump's 18,000 lies, none of which you have ever commented on negatively? 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
13.1.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @13.1    6 days ago

Give her time John.  That was a preposterous lie.  She's obviously a natural if she can pull that off in her first big VP test.  The MSM media rewarded her for it, so it's not like there is any incentive to stop.

She'll hit 18,000 easy if anyone cares enough to document everything she says.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
13.1.2  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @13.1.1    6 days ago

She is easily 100 or 1000 times the human being Trump is. 

 
 
 
devangelical
13.2  devangelical  replied to  Sean Treacy @13    6 days ago

it always cracks me up when supporters of the current POS/POTUS break out the lie detectors.

 
 
 
badfish
14  badfish    6 days ago

She's a fighter, Joe's a fighter, what a perfect match.

512

 
 
 
JohnRussell
14.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  badfish @14    6 days ago

Why isnt Trump fighting back?  jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gifjrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gifjrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gifjrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gifjrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gifjrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

He must be too tired or paralyzed by fear. 

 
 
 
badfish
14.1.1  badfish  replied to  JohnRussell @14.1    6 days ago

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The 1950's called, they want their attempt at clever back.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
14.1.2  author  JohnRussell  replied to  badfish @14.1.1    6 days ago

I think Joe's vicious punches knocked him into a trance. 

 
 
 
badfish
15  badfish    6 days ago

Joe's campaign is looking for a woman Joe won't feel the need to finger bang. I think they got a winner.

 
 
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