Mayor of Portland to Trump: Get your troops out of the city

  

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By:   ANDREW SELSKY and GILLIAN FLACCUS J (AP NEWS)

Mayor of Portland to Trump: Get your troops out of the city
PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) — The mayor of Portland demanded Friday that President Donald Trump remove militarized federal agents he deployed to the city after some detained people on streets far from...

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By ANDREW SELSKY and GILLIAN FLACCUSJuly 18, 2020 GMT1 of 8 Police stand as protesters gather during a demonstration, Thursday, July 16, 2020 in Portland, Ore. Federal officers deployed tear gas and fired less-lethal rounds into a crowd of protesters late Thursday. The actions came just hours after the head of the Department of Homeland Security called the protesters "violent anarchists." (Beth Nakamura/The Oregonian via AP) 1 of 8 Police stand as protesters gather during a demonstration, Thursday, July 16, 2020 in Portland, Ore. Federal officers deployed tear gas and fired less-lethal rounds into a crowd of protesters late Thursday. The actions came just hours after the head of the Department of Homeland Security called the protesters "violent anarchists." (Beth Nakamura/The Oregonian via AP)

PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) — The mayor of Portland demanded Friday that President Donald Trump remove militarized federal agents he deployed to the city after some detained people on streets far from federal property they were sent to protect.

"Keep your troops in your own buildings, or have them leave our city," Mayor Ted Wheeler said at a news conference.

Democratic Gov. Kate Brown said Trump is looking for a confrontation in the hopes of winning political points elsewhere. It also serves as a distraction from the coronavirus pandemic, which is causing spiking numbers of infections in Oregon and the nation.

Brown's spokesman, Charles Boyle, said Friday that arresting people without probable cause is "extraordinarily concerning and a violation of their civil liberties and constitutional rights."

Oregon Attorney General Ellen Rosenblum said she would file a lawsuit in federal court against the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, the Marshals Service, Customs and Border Protection and Federal Protection Service alleging they have violated the civil rights of Oregonians by detaining them without probable cause. She will also seek a temporary restraining order against them.

The ACLU of Oregon said the federal agents appear to be violating people's rights, which "should concern everyone in the United States."

"Usually when we see people in unmarked cars forcibly grab someone off the street we call it kidnapping," said Jann Carson, interim executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Oregon. "The actions of the militarized federal officers are flat-out unconstitutional and will not go unanswered."

Federal officers have charged at least 13 people with crimes related to the protests so far, Oregon Public Broadcasting reported Thursday. Some have been detained by the federal courthouse, which has been the scene of protests. But others were grabbed blocks away.

"This is part of the core media strategy out of Trump's White House: to use federal troops to bolster his sagging polling data," Wheeler said. "And it is an absolute abuse of federal law enforcement officials."

One video showed two people in helmets and green camouflage with "police" patches grabbing a person on the sidewalk, handcuffing them and taking them into an unmarked vehicle.

"Who are you?" someone asks the pair, who do not respond. At least some of the federal officers belong to the Department of Homeland Security.

Customs and Border Protection said in a statement that its agents had information indicating the person in the video was suspected of assaulting federal agents or destroying federal property.

"Once CBP agents approached the suspect, a large and violent mob moved towards their location. For everyone's safety, CBP agents quickly moved the suspect to a safer location," the agency said. However, the video shows no mob.

In another case, Mark Pettibone, 29, said a minivan rolled up to him around 2 a.m. Wednesday and four or five people got out "looking like they were deployed to a Middle Eastern war."

Pettibone told The Associated Press he got to his knees as the group approached. They dragged him into the van without identifying themselves or responding to his questions and pulled his beanie over his eyes so he couldn't see, he said.

"I figured I was just going to disappear for an indefinite amount of time," Pettibone said.

Pettibone said he was put into a cell and officers dumped the contents of his backpack, with one remarking: "Oh, this is a bunch of nothing."

After he asked for a lawyer, Pettibone was allowed to leave.

"Authoritarian governments, not democratic republics, send unmarked authorities after protesters," Democratic U.S. Sen. Jeff Merkley said in a tweet.

U.S. Attorney Billy Williams in Portland said Friday he has requested the Department of Homeland Security Office of the Inspector General to investigate the actions of DHS personnel.

In a letter Friday, Oregon's two senators and two of its House members demanded that U.S. Attorney General William Barr and Homeland Security Acting Secretary Chad Wolf immediately withdraw "these federal paramilitary forces from our state."

The members of Congress also said they'll be asking the DHS inspector general and the U.S. Department of Justice to investigate the presence and actions of federal forces in Portland.

"It's painfully clear this administration is focused purely on escalating violence without answering my repeated requests for why this expeditionary force is in Portland and under what constitutional authority," Democratic Sen. Ron Wyden said.

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On Thursday night, federal officers deployed tear gas and fired non-lethal rounds into a crowd of protesters.

Wolf visited Portland on Thursday and called the demonstrators, who are protesting racism and police brutality, "violent anarchists."

Wolf blamed state and city authorities for not putting an end to the protests. But Portland police said Friday they wound up arresting 20 people overnight.

At least two protests occurred Thursday night, one near the federal courthouse and the other by a police station in another part of the city. Police told protesters to leave that site after announcing they heard some chanting about burning down the building. Protester Paul Frazier said Friday the chant was "much more rhetorical than an actual statement."

Portland Police Chief Chuck Lovell told reporters Friday that his officers are in contact with the federal agents, but that neither controls the others' actions.

"We do communicate with federal officers for the purpose of situational awareness and deconfliction," Lovell said. "We're operating in a very, very close proximity to one another."

The American Civil Liberties Union Foundation of Oregon on Friday added the federal government to a lawsuit it filed earlier to halt the use of crowd control measures, including tear gas and rubber bullets, against journalists and legal observers at protests in Portland.

"The lawsuit is one of many the ACLU will be filing against federal authorities in Portland for their unconstitutional attacks on people protesting the police killing of George Floyd," the group said.

Tensions have escalated in the past two weeks, particularly after an officer with the U.S. Marshals Service fired a less-lethal round at a protester's head on July 11, critically injuring him.

The protests following the police killing of Floyd in Minneapolis have often devolved into violent clashes between smaller groups and the police.

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This version corrects that the governor did not say the deployment serves as a distraction, and that chanting about burning happened at police station, not federal courthouse.

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Selsky reported from Salem, Oregon. AP reporters Ben Fox in Washington and Jake Bleiberg in Dallas contributed.

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JBB
1  seeder  JBB    4 weeks ago

What does Trump expect? A parade? A statue? 

 
 
 
Gsquared
1.1  Gsquared  replied to  JBB @1    4 weeks ago

How about a swift kick in the ass?

 
 
 
MAGA
1.1.1  MAGA  replied to  Gsquared @1.1    4 weeks ago

To the protestors doing looting and vandalism you bet.  Use whatever force needed to stand those people down and arrest the perpetrators.  Watching federal law enforcement deal firmly with those people and hauling  them off to a detention facility is a beautiful sight!  Keep up the good work.  

 
 
 
cjcold
1.2  cjcold  replied to  JBB @1    4 weeks ago

How long do you think a statue of Trump would last without 24/7/365 protection?

 
 
 
GregTx
1.2.1  GregTx  replied to  cjcold @1.2    3 weeks ago

Haven't you heard? Statues and monuments are a thing of the past.

 
 
 
bugsy
1.2.2  bugsy  replied to  cjcold @1.2    3 weeks ago
How long do you think a statue of Trump would last without 24/7/365 protection?

Well, his star on the walk of fame has been vandalized several times. To think that a 3 x 3 piece of concrete can trigger libs so badly.

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.2.3  Texan1211  replied to  bugsy @1.2.2    3 weeks ago

yes, even seeing his name is enough to trigger some of the snowflakes

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.3  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @1    3 weeks ago
What does Trump expect?

The answer is ORDER!

Eisenhower did it, JFK did it and Trump must do it. The timing is right - people are fed up with the violence - they got a good taste - now arrest & prosecute the revolutionaries.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
1.3.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.3    3 weeks ago

Yes, I've already said that America seems to be undergoing a kind of cultural revolution, but IMO it seems to be one seeking justice.  Makes me think of the saying "Justice, justice shall you pursue."

I'm with you on not agreeing with the violence - I just wish people would feel the same way about that happening elsewhere as well as in their own back yard.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.3.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.3.1    3 weeks ago
I've already said that America seems to be undergoing a kind of cultural revolution,

A revolution of lily white radicals, who have had the ideology of America's far left drummed into their lackadaisical brains by our progressive educators.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
1.3.3  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.3.2    3 weeks ago

Well, at least you've admitted that it's a revolution.

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
1.3.4  Mark in Wyoming  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.3.3    3 weeks ago

I don't think its a revolution , its more like a tonne of anarchists, and useful idiots that were born some time in the ninetys and aughts , that always got participation trophies and told they could change the world simply by showing up. and never got their asses whacked and had to do the switch dance .

My reasoning for this is all the discord is taking places in very safe enviroments where the authorities are pretty much hamstrung or on their side to try and SPARK an actual revolution. .

 if they decided to take this act on the road , they would meet with an end that well the nicest thing to say would it would make the trail of tears and the sand creek massacre  look like a pick nick in Piccadilly circus.

 And I say that because once it started and resistance to their actions came to bear  from John Q public, even the authorities wouldn't be able to stop it even if they wanted too.

 
 
 
Sparty On
1.3.5  Sparty On  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @1.3.4    3 weeks ago
I don't think its a revolution , its more like a tonne of anarchists, and useful idiots that were born some time in the ninetys and aughts , that always got participation trophies and told they could change the world simply by showing up. and never got their asses whacked and had to do the switch dance .

Spot on

 
 
 
MAGA
2  MAGA    4 weeks ago

If he’d established law and order and protected federal buildings and monuments in the city, Trump  would not have had to send in federal law enforcement to do their jobs for them.  

 
 
 
JBB
2.1  seeder  JBB  replied to  MAGA @2    4 weeks ago

That is what all military despots say...

 
 
 
MAGA
2.1.1  MAGA  replied to  JBB @2.1    4 weeks ago

jrSmiley_24_smiley_image.gif In Heartland America we rejoice at and celebrate such pictures of Antifa and friends being confronted, arrested, and hauled off. 🇺🇸🗽👮‍♂️🦅 Here we openly rally for and back the blue!  

 
 
 
Sparty On
2.1.2  Sparty On  replied to  MAGA @2.1.1    4 weeks ago

Those little dweebs are going to real popular in lockup.

Very tender fresh meat for bubba and the bull dykes.

 
 
 
MAGA
2.1.3  MAGA  replied to  JBB @2.1    4 weeks ago

Because only despots expect there to be law and order in the community that they live in....

 
 
 
cjcold
2.1.4  cjcold  replied to  MAGA @2.1.1    4 weeks ago

So anybody who protests against injustice these days is Antifa? How nice it must be for far right wingers to have a built in scapegoat.

 
 
 
arkpdx
2.1.5  arkpdx  replied to  Sparty On @2.1.2    4 weeks ago

Unfortunately they have already started to drop the charges on the arrested rioters including those with be felony charges (at least 59 that I know of,there may be more). If they were conservative demonstrators that were arrested they all would have had the book thrown at them

 
 
 
Dulay
2.1.6  Dulay  replied to  arkpdx @2.1.5    3 weeks ago

So your posit is that Trump's orders to the US Marshals is to drop charges against liberal demonstrators? 

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.1.7  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @2.1.6    3 weeks ago
So your posit is that Trump's orders to the US Marshals is to drop charges against liberal demonstrators? 

Where did you get THAT nonsense from?

he was talking about the charges dropped against the "protesters" by the county district attorney's office.

 
 
 
Dulay
2.1.8  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.7    3 weeks ago
he was talking about the charges dropped against the "protesters" by the county district attorney's office.

Where did YOU get that nonsense from? He sure as hell didn't say THAT. 

 
 
 
arkpdx
2.1.9  arkpdx  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.7    3 weeks ago

[deleted]

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.1.10  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @2.1.8    3 weeks ago

where did I get it from? I keep up with the news, and know how to Google.

Try it sometime!

 
 
 
Ozzwald
2.1.11  Ozzwald  replied to  cjcold @2.1.4    3 weeks ago
So anybody who protests against injustice these days is Antifa? How nice it must be for far right wingers to have a built in scapegoat

Have they completely given up supporting the Constitution now?  Even their usual lip service support?

 
 
 
Gsquared
2.2  Gsquared  replied to  MAGA @2    4 weeks ago

Trump is following orders from his boss Putin in how to establish a dictatorship.  Trump idolizes Putin.  Putin hates America.  Where does that leave you?

 
 
 
arkpdx
2.2.1  arkpdx  replied to  Gsquared @2.2    4 weeks ago

Get a new one. That one is getting old and boring and is very unoriginal. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.2.2  Texan1211  replied to  Gsquared @2.2    3 weeks ago
Trump is following orders from his boss Putin in how to establish a dictatorship.  Trump idolizes Putin.  Putin hates America.  Where does that leave you?

Leaves us here in the real America, where we don't have dictators and don't get our panties in a wad over imaginary shit.

 
 
 
Gsquared
2.2.3  Gsquared  replied to  arkpdx @2.2.1    3 weeks ago

You can't face reality.

 
 
 
Gsquared
2.2.4  Gsquared  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.2    3 weeks ago

Your hero is a proto-dictator.  You know full well he idolizes Putin.  You think Putin is our friend?  Did you read the book I keep telling you about?  "The Road to Unfreedom" by Timothy Snyder.  Learn something.  Fast.

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.2.5  Texan1211  replied to  Gsquared @2.2.4    3 weeks ago

At least your comments are entertaining.

Thanks!

 
 
 
Greg Jones
2.2.6  Greg Jones  replied to  Gsquared @2.2.3    3 weeks ago

You're the one living lala land!

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
2.2.7  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.2    3 weeks ago

Said mayor and governor are probably highly ticked off that President Trump sent in the feds to do the the jobs they have been unable or unwilling to do to reign in the rioting and looting in Portland and it is making them look bad to their constitute base. 

 
 
 
Gazoo
2.3  Gazoo  replied to  MAGA @2    4 weeks ago

How many times during the flawed and failed impeachment fiasco did we hear liberals saying “no one is above the law”? Apparently that was a lie. They think these twerps should be able to deface and destroy property with no consequence. 

 
 
 
cjcold
2.3.1  cjcold  replied to  Gazoo @2.3    4 weeks ago

You obviously did not read the Mueller report. Trump is guilty as sin.

The day Trump is no longer president there will be many jurisdictions beating down his door with warrants in their hands. 

Trump will be in court and/or in prison for the rest of his life. 

I seriously doubt that president Biden will pardon citizen Trump.

 
 
 
Gazoo
2.3.2  Gazoo  replied to  cjcold @2.3.1    4 weeks ago

Lol, sure thing, bud.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
2.3.3  Greg Jones  replied to  cjcold @2.3.1    3 weeks ago

What did Mueller actually say? Can your give us some of the good parts?

Once Trump finishes his second term, the left will lose all interest in him.

 
 
 
arkpdx
2.3.4  arkpdx  replied to  cjcold @2.3.1    3 weeks ago
You obviously did not read the Mueller report. Trump is guilty as sin.

I guess that is why he was convicted din his impeachment. 

OH! WAIT! He wasn't! Oops for you!

 
 
 
arkpdx
2.3.5  arkpdx  replied to  cjcold @2.3.1    3 weeks ago

"President" Joe Biden is going to be in the same category as "president" Hillary Clinton. An also ran wannabe. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
3  XDm9mm    4 weeks ago

Like these "troops"?

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Oh, Mr. Mayor, those "troops" happen to be US Marshalls.  

If YOU did your fucking job, no one else would have to.

 
 
 
MAGA
3.1  MAGA  replied to  XDm9mm @3    4 weeks ago

Exactly.  Here’s how we treat police where I live 420 miles south of Portland on I-5. https://www.actionnewsnow.com/content/news/People-in-Redding-turn-out-for-We-Back-the-Blue-rally-571821891.html

 
 
 
Dulay
3.1.1  Dulay  replied to  MAGA @3.1    3 weeks ago

US Marshals are NOT the 'local law enforcement' Xx. 

It's hilarious to see the cognitive dissonance of the 'states rights' crowd. 

 
 
 
Ronin2
3.1.2  Ronin2  replied to  Dulay @3.1.1    3 weeks ago

Nor are they fucking troops. They are federal law enforcement officials sent in to protect Federal property and US tax payers.

Sorry, most of us don't want to pay for the damage your (plural) fucking brown shirts cause.

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  Ronin2 @3.1.2    3 weeks ago

facts just get in the way of some progressive " thinking"

 
 
 
Dulay
3.1.4  Dulay  replied to  Ronin2 @3.1.2    3 weeks ago
Nor are they fucking troops. They are federal law enforcement officials sent in to protect Federal property and US tax payers.

Right, their 'protection' has been obvious for all to see. Especially when they beat and gassed the Navy vet who did NOTHING but speak to them. 

Sorry, most of us don't want to pay for the damage your (plural) fucking brown shirts cause.

Ditto. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
3.1.5  Trout Giggles  replied to  Ronin2 @3.1.2    3 weeks ago

What agency are these "federal law enforcement officials" employed by? I know I was told that they are part of DHS...but they're not wearing any identifying patches or name tags.

It all seems a bit fishy to me.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
3.1.6  Raven Wing  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1.5    3 weeks ago
It all seems a bit fishy to me.

Me as well. I understood that they were paramilitary forces sent by the DHS. But, why are there no name tags, at least that can be seen. And they are not just there to keep the peace, anything but. They are there to take control of the city and do as Trump commands. The viciousness they are engaging in against the protesters is like open warfare. 

It would seem more appropriate for the National Guard to be there than some unknown type of military forces.  And I wonder if Trump has the authority to order them there without the approval of Congress.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
3.1.7  Trout Giggles  replied to  Raven Wing @3.1.6    3 weeks ago

Paramilitary can mean anything.

I firmly believe they are a contract outfit...think Eric Prince and Blackwater

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1.8  Tessylo  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1.5    3 weeks ago

"What agency are these "federal law enforcement officials" employed by? I know I was told that they are part of DHS...but they're not wearing any identifying patches or name tags.

It all seems a bit fishy to me."

No identification whatsoever.

They're pretty much indistinguishable/identical to the extremist thugs so it's really hard to identify Barr/tRump's thugs and goons.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1.9  Tessylo  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1.7    3 weeks ago
"Paramilitary can mean anything. I firmly believe they are a contract outfit...think Eric Prince and Blackwater"

You got it!!!!!!!!  Same mercenary thugs/goons/scum, just under a different name.

How many folks know that Betsy DeVos and Erik Prince are brother and sister?

Scum runs in the family it appears.  

 
 
 
Sparty On
4  Sparty On    4 weeks ago

Just another progressive asshat mayor.

Control your city and this wouldn’t be required you nimrod.

Will the last reasonable citizen or business please turn out the lights when you leave that shithole.    Hate to waste power in greenville .....

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
5  Jeremy Retired in NC    4 weeks ago

Figures a Democrat upset with Trump for establishing law and order in a shithole city.

 
 
 
Sparty On
6  Sparty On    4 weeks ago

Funny, many on the left thought the federal agents were righteous when they assassinated Lavoy Finicum in Oregon.

The hypocrisy coming from the left is now running like a river 

 
 
 
Tacos!
7  Tacos!    4 weeks ago
"Usually when we see people in unmarked cars forcibly grab someone off the street we call it kidnapping,"

Only when you don't know what kidnapping is.

taking them into an unmarked vehicle

What a silly talking point. And I keep seeing it, so clearly a memo went out.

Federal officers typically don't cruise around in black and white police cruisers. Their vehicles are usually unmarked.  Woooooooo! "unmarked vehicle!" Spooooooky. Or it might be spooky except that it's not like these people are missing.

 
 
 
MAGA
7.1  MAGA  replied to  Tacos! @7    4 weeks ago

Not to mention that the criminal Antifa mob are much less likely to damage a plain ordinary looking car than a marked police cruiser.  

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
8  The Magic Eight Ball    3 weeks ago
Mayor Of Portland To Trump: Get Your Troops Out Of The City

and they are not leaving....  LOL

 
 
 
Texan1211
8.1  Texan1211  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @8    3 weeks ago

I'm just wondering who the mayor thinks he is?

He thinks he can order a President or federal employees around?

What a dweeb!

 
 
 
MAGA
8.1.1  MAGA  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1    3 weeks ago

You’re giving him credit for thinking?  You’re being way too generous....jrSmiley_91_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
MAGA
8.2  MAGA  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @8    3 weeks ago

They’d be welcomed here if Antifa transported itself here from there or the Bay Area.  Of course we’d likely drive them out by any means need be before the feds could arrive to help us.  

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
9  Buzz of the Orient    3 weeks ago

Amazing, isn't it, the similarities of Federal action between Portland, Oregon, and Hong Kong. Even more amazing is that the same people who citicize how the Hong Kong protests were dealt with are the same ones who praise how the protests in Portland are being dealt with.  What's the word that starts with "H" that that makes me think of?

 
 
 
XDm9mm
9.1  XDm9mm  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9    3 weeks ago
Amazing, isn't it, the similarities of Federal action between Portland, Oregon, and Hong Kong. Even more amazing is that the same people who citicize how the Hong Kong protests were dealt with are the same ones who praise how the protests in Portland are being dealt with.  What's the word that starts with "H" that that makes me think of?

The word is HILARIOUS, that one makes a comparison between protesters fighting for their AGREED TO by the COMMUNIST CHINESE government FREEDOMS and the wanton destruction of a degenerate mob of leftist thugs hell bent on the destruction of this country.   

Yeah, that's the "H" word that you're thinking of Buzz.

 
 
 
MUVA
9.1.1  MUVA  replied to  XDm9mm @9.1    3 weeks ago

Buzz seems to be a great guy but has blinders on when it comes to the differance between the two country's.I have a few customers that are from China they can see the differance especially the older ones that have had siblings and family members killed or  that just disappeared.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
9.1.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  MUVA @9.1.1    3 weeks ago

Am I wrong, but I thought that in America people who disobey the law can get incarcerated, and even in some cases executed  We don't live in a perfect world, no matter where we live, do we?

And I AM a great guy.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
9.1.3  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  XDm9mm @9.1    3 weeks ago

At least the CCP didn't encourage the Portland protesters - no government resolutions were passed to do that. 

I was just thinking.  I'll bet that if the HK protesters had protested peacefully, and were not encouraged by American lawmakers passing resolutions interfering with Hong Kong's domestic affairs, the Security Legislation would most likely not have been required or passed.  There had been protests previously, but there was not such extreme rioting and destruction so such legislation was never before actually needed, probably wasn't even considered.  I'm sure that the news videos I watched that showed the unbelievable destruction - smashing of windows, throwing molotov coctails, lighting fires, destroying subway and railway ticket machines and even smashing traffic lights, were most likely censored in the USA, although I'm sure Americans would have liked to have seen so many rioters waving The Stars and Stripes (thanking America for its incitement). 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
9.1.4  XDm9mm  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9.1.3    3 weeks ago
At least the CCP didn't encourage the Portland protesters - no government resolutions were passed to do that. 

FUCK the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) and the lowlife scumbag dictator killer motherfucker Xi Jinping [Deleted]

 
 
 
MUVA
9.1.5  MUVA  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9.1.2    3 weeks ago

Buzz I do believe you are a top shelf person but think you are wrong when you compare the two countries governments.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
9.1.6  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  MUVA @9.1.5    3 weeks ago

I never compared them indicating that they were the same, I agree that they are miles apart different.  But sometimes one of them does the same thing that the other does so those things CAN be compared, and that is when pot-kettle comes up. 

 
 
 
MUVA
9.1.7  MUVA  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9.1.6    3 weeks ago

I can agree with that .

 
 
 
Sparty On
9.1.8  Sparty On  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9.1.2    3 weeks ago
And I AM a great guy.

I have no doubt you are it’s just that as an expat Canadian living in Communist China, [deleted]

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
9.1.9  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  XDm9mm @9.1    3 weeks ago
The word is HILARIOUS, that one makes a comparison between
  • protesters fighting for their AGREED TO by the COMMUNIST CHINESE government FREEDOMS

and

  • the wanton destruction of a degenerate mob of leftist thugs hell bent on the destruction of this country. 

the difference is obvious 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
9.1.10  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Sparty On @9.1.8    3 weeks ago

You actually think that Canadians are THAT different from Americans?  As for the present time and how things have been in America for the past 14 years, how can anyone who for that time was an active member of NV and then NT not be aware of the spectrum of American attitudes?  Have I not spent so much of my vacation and other travel time throughout America and even owned, with my brother, a golf condo in Florida where I spent time making me aware of the "American Way"?  Do you think I don't read the news from American websites, or watch American news videos?  I think I can understand Americans with their cavernous political divisions, loyalties and disloyalties, and from what they write, what they say in order to have at least a more OBJECTIVE understanding if not a perfect one. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
9.1.11  Sparty On  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9.1.10    3 weeks ago

Nah, your understanding of Americans like me, and there are many like us, is sophomoric at best.

NV and NTers doesn’t even begin to accurately represent a majority Americans by articles posted.   You got the ever present radical left and right whiners here just like the mass media you mistakenly trust with no real way to critically examine what the real truth is.

You see what the Chinese government wants you to see.    Nothing more, nothing less.

 
 
 
Ender
9.1.12  Ender  replied to  Sparty On @9.1.11    3 weeks ago

So you are going to tell a Canadian, that has owned property here in the states, probably seen more states than I have, and only has lived in China for about ten years, that he has no idea?

He has spent (no offence Buzz) sixty years in North America.

Also, Canadians know a lot more of what is going on down here than we know of what is going on up there.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
9.1.13  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Sparty On @9.1.11    3 weeks ago
"You see what the Chinese government wants you to see.    Nothing more, nothing less."

The only thing I either need or want to see that the Chinese government has blocked me from seeing is YouTube, and I really don't have to slash my wrists because I can't see it because there are alternatives here, though not as comprehensive. Otherwise, you totally ignored my reply to you (9.1.10), or were you prevented from seeing it?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
9.1.14  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Ender @9.1.12    3 weeks ago

Right on, Ender. 

 
 
 
Ender
9.1.15  Ender  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9.1.14    3 weeks ago

Sorry to speak for you Buzz but that kind of shit pisses me off.

We may not see eye to eye on all politics as I know you lean (a Canadian) right and I am left, yet there is no need for that kind of talk. And we may have had our dust-ups and I do apologize for that. Though most of that revolved around Israel.

Point being, you are a good man and I like you.

We have people from all over the world here and there is no need to diminish them or where they are from.

The rest of the world usually has a better idea of what is going on around the world than us here in the US. We are very self absorbed and think everything revolves around us.

 
 
 
Sparty On
9.1.16  Sparty On  replied to  Ender @9.1.12    3 weeks ago

As evidenced by some of the posting here and as i've already put here once.  

They know what the liberal mass media and Communist China want them to know.   There's little critical thought there that i can see.   Near as i can see they get their programming from the liberal hive and its off to pollinate the world ..... unless of course in this case it has to do with Israel and/or other issues with Jewish causes.   Then the conservative comes out.

And i wasn't talking about all Canadians.   Never said i was.

 
 
 
Sparty On
9.1.17  Sparty On  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9.1.13    3 weeks ago

Nah, i responded to it immediately after in 9.1.11.    Did you miss that or just not like the comment?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
9.1.18  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Sparty On @9.1.17    3 weeks ago

Maybe you typed out a reply, but you ignored what I said, so it really wasn't a response. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
9.1.19  Sparty On  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9.1.18    3 weeks ago

I ignored nothing.   You just don't like the response.  

If you base your response, on living in the USA for a few years, a long time ago, you are out of touch.  

If you base your response on what you read here or years ago on NV you are out of touch.   These places are extremes and not the norm in the USA.

If you base your response on what the Communist Chinese government allows you see from our mass media you are out of touch.

You say you understand Americans and yet you clearly can't even begin to understand me, or a large part of America like me, without using insulting language.

So yeah, based on all that i find your understanding of Americans in general to be limited and lacking in depth.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
9.1.20  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Sparty On @9.1.19    3 weeks ago
"without using insulting language"

Do you mind pointing out what I've said that insults you.  And if it WAS insulting, why was it not deemed so by the moderators?  

Isn't it amazing that the CCP "allows" me to watch Fox News?  LOL

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
9.1.21  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Sparty On @9.1.11    3 weeks ago
NV and NTers doesn’t even begin to accurately represent a majority Americans by articles posted.

LMAO.  If one base the majority of American's by what's posted here they would be sadly mistaken.

 
 
 
Sparty On
9.1.22  Sparty On  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9.1.20    3 weeks ago

Unlike some I don’t report every post that offends me.    Know what I mean?

And I’m not taking this personal to give you more fodder to report.

Nope.

 
 
 
Sparty On
9.1.23  Sparty On  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @9.1.21    3 weeks ago

Oh yeah!

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
9.1.24  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Sparty On @9.1.22    3 weeks ago

Well, maybe you're just a better man than I am, Sparty On.  

 
 
 
Sparty On
9.1.25  Sparty On  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9.1.24    3 weeks ago

And there you go, taking it personal.

 
 
 
Tessylo
9.1.26  Tessylo  replied to  Sparty On @9.1.25    3 weeks ago

Well you made it personal.

You like to dish it out and then backpedal and make it personal

 
 
 
Tessylo
9.1.27  Tessylo  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9.1.24    3 weeks ago
"Well, maybe you're just a better man than I am, Sparty On."

I heartily disagree Buzz.  

 
 
 
Texan1211
9.1.28  Texan1211  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9.1.24    3 weeks ago

perhaps he is!

 
 
 
Sparty On
9.1.29  Sparty On  replied to  Texan1211 @9.1.28    3 weeks ago

Nah, and never said as much.    I just have the temerity to disagree with people here that seemingly can’t take it.

To that I say too bad ..... deal with it.

And I feel another ticket blitz on its way .......

 
 
 
Texan1211
9.1.30  Texan1211  replied to  Sparty On @9.1.29    3 weeks ago

I wouldn't be surprised if the last part is true

 
 
 
Dulay
9.1.31  Dulay  replied to  Sparty On @9.1.11    3 weeks ago
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Buzz of the Orient
9.1.32  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Ender @9.1.15    2 weeks ago

Yeah, but a Canadian who leans right still favours universal single-payer healthcare, women's rights to abortion choice, stringent gun controls and a ban on capital punishment.  So not THAT far right.

 
 
 
Sparty On
9.1.33  Sparty On  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9.1.32    2 weeks ago

Yeah, but as a American moderate who leans right, i'm for a healthcare system without excessive capacity control.   We also have the capacity to welcome Canadians every day that don't want to wait either.    And we regularly do ..... 

I also very much enjoy the freedom to legally puchase and own a weapon and am absolutely for the many gun laws already on the books that restrict illegal gun ownership.   The type of ownership that causes most of our non suicide gun deaths in the US.   Not legal owners.

Yeah, i tend to like liberty and freedom over restrictive government control which is why, even though i think abortion is an abhorrent practice, i support a woman's right to get an abortion as well.  

Now that's not leaning right.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
9.2  Greg Jones  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9    3 weeks ago

The protests in Hong Kong were peaceful by people desiring to remain free and live in a democratic society.

Do you have any evidence to prove otherwise?

 
 
 
Dulay
9.2.1  Dulay  replied to  Greg Jones @9.2    3 weeks ago

There are dozens of videos online that prove otherwise. 

Since vandalism is now considered 'violence'.

BTW, they were throwing molotov cocktails too. 

 
 
 
bugsy
9.2.2  bugsy  replied to  Dulay @9.2.1    3 weeks ago

But you probably agree with the loony left media that the asshats destroying democrat cities are "peaceful protestors", even though video shows different.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
9.2.3  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Greg Jones @9.2    3 weeks ago

You deny that I'm telling the truth of what I saw with my own eyes?  Dulay saw the news videos as well, and I had thought they were censored in America. The destruction was sickening.  

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
9.2.4  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Dulay @9.2.1    3 weeks ago
"Since vandalism is now considered 'violence'."

Painting a slogan on a wall or a swastika on a Jewish synagogue is vandalism.. Wanton destruction like the smashing of private and public property is violence.  The news videos I saw depicted violence. 

 
 
 
Dulay
9.2.5  Dulay  replied to  bugsy @9.2.2    3 weeks ago
But you probably agree with the loony left media that the asshats destroying democrat cities are "peaceful protestors", even though video shows different.

No I don't. Assume much? 

 
 
 
Dulay
9.2.6  Dulay  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9.2.4    3 weeks ago

As someone who lives in a rural area of Indiana, my mailbox is destroyed by baseball bat drive by teenagers almost every year. I've actually witnessed it happen. 

I would not characterize that wanton destruction of my personal property as 'violence'. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
9.2.7  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Dulay @9.2.6    3 weeks ago

Then you have an amazingly high tolerance level.  Sweet kids in your neighbourhood. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
9.2.8  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Greg Jones @9.2    3 weeks ago
The protests in Hong Kong were peaceful by people desiring to remain free and live in a democratic society.

Unlike in the US where they riot because they saw a flag.

 
 
 
Dulay
9.2.9  Dulay  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9.2.7    3 weeks ago

Well when they're driving by @ about 30 MPH and then speeding away at 60, it's a little hard to 'correct' them. I was behind a guy who hit my mailbox with a truck and chased him all the way into Michigan. He paid for the mailbox and paid me my "consult" rate [$45 an hour] to replace it. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
9.2.10  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Dulay @9.2.9    3 weeks ago

Is it a fair distance from your home?  Got an idea for you.  Seal the box so it can't be opened by the mailman, and fill it with explosives.  Next time the kids smash it they'll be in for a big surprise. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
9.2.11  Trout Giggles  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9.2.10    3 weeks ago

Somebody could get seriously injured, Buzz. I don't recommend that.

BTW, I agree with Tessy that you're a better man than that other guy

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
9.2.12  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Trout Giggles @9.2.11    3 weeks ago

Well, yeah, somebody COULD get seriously injured.  Maybe Dulay should hide in the bushes with a gun to shoot the tires of their car instead.  

And thank you.

 
 
 
Dulay
9.2.13  Dulay  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9.2.10    3 weeks ago
Is it a fair distance from your home?

I live on a 55 MPH two lane rural highway about 75' off the road. By time I could jump in my jeep and chase them they could be miles away. 

Got an idea for you.

I've had to go into 'town' to pick up my mail many times [most because snow plows killed my mail box but THAT'S another story] and it sucks. 

Oh and BTW, I think that it's illegal to put bombs in your mailbox. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
9.2.14  Trout Giggles  replied to  Dulay @9.2.13    3 weeks ago
[most because snow plows killed my mail box but THAT'S another story] and it sucks. 

That happened a lot when I was growing up in Western PA

 
 
 
PJ
10  PJ    3 weeks ago

I think we're seeing Trump's obsession with dictators come to life.  Now he's established his administration's secret police just like putin to intimidate, bully, and control American citizen so they will not oppose him.  This is classic authoritarian strategy.

I'm curious where those voices are that demand the federal government stay out of the States and let them govern themselves?  Weird how quiet they are and how they've totally changed their minds and are cheering for the federal government to invade States. 

I'm just waiting for people to go missing......

 
 
 
MUVA
10.1  MUVA  replied to  PJ @10    3 weeks ago

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XDm9mm
10.2  XDm9mm  replied to  PJ @10    3 weeks ago
Now he's established his administration's secret police

Here's a hint.  The United States Marshall's Service is NOT//NOT a "secret police".  

Here's their logo

Seal_of_the_United_States_Marshals_Service.svg

and here is the link to their web page.

https://www.usmarshals.gov/

I don't know about you, but any entity that has such a presence I will submit is in no way shape or form "SECRET".

 
 
 
PJ
10.2.1  PJ  replied to  XDm9mm @10.2    3 weeks ago

What a lovely logo.  They should probably wear it openly so people know exactly who they are and can be assured the actions they are taking are within their authority.

More importantly, they should stay out of States that have NOT requested their assistance.  

Look, I get it.  You are a blind follower that will defend anything this Administration does at the detriment of the country.  That's your right.......at least it is right now until the administration starts looking to those rights that you think are important.  I imagine your tune will start to change then.

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Martin Niemöller

 
 
 
Texan1211
10.2.2  Texan1211  replied to  PJ @10.2.1    3 weeks ago
What a lovely logo. 

It is, isn't it?

But I bet some yahoos up in Portland don't particularly care for it right about now! 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
10.2.3  Sean Treacy  replied to  PJ @10.2.1    3 weeks ago
ey should probably wear it openly so people know exactly who they are and can be assured the actions they are taking are within their authority.

They do.

You are supposed to be whining that using unmarked vehicles is worse than Hitler, or whatever BS Pelosi  is winding you up with.

 
 
 
PJ
10.2.4  PJ  replied to  Sean Treacy @10.2.3    3 weeks ago

Do they?  I guess that's why the State's DOJ sued the feds.  It's an overreach.  Once again this administration is incapable of defusing situations.  

 
 
 
XDm9mm
10.2.5  XDm9mm  replied to  PJ @10.2.1    3 weeks ago
More importantly, they should stay out of States that have NOT requested their assistance.  

They're called the UNITED STATES Marshals service for a reason.   It's right in their name.....   UNITED STATES as in all 50 states that comprise the Republic that make up the union.

Further, the building(s) they are protecting are FEDERAL PROPERTY, which makes it their responsibility as the local authorities are abdicating their responsibilities and not doing jack shit to keep order.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
10.2.6  XDm9mm  replied to  PJ @10.2.4    3 weeks ago
Do they? 

If you're speaking of agency identification patches, they most certainly do wear them.  However, if they're dressed in camo, I'll submit that their patches are of the 'subdued' vsriety.

I guess that's why the State's DOJ sued the feds. 

No.  The States Attorney General sued because having the feds do the jobs of the locals look bad for the political asshats running the state and city.

It's an overreach.  Once again this administration is incapable of defusing situations. 

If the local asshats HAD defused the situations the federal government would not need to get involved.   Unless of course you believe looting, arson, destruction of public and private property, assault, murder and rape are acceptable endeavors, then you too would take offense at the feds doing a necessary job to stop such activities.

 
 
 
PJ
10.2.7  PJ  replied to  XDm9mm @10.2.6    3 weeks ago

hahahahahaha - you're like a trump campaign commercial. "looting, arson, destruction of public and private property, assault, murder and rape!!!!!!!!!".  Doom and Gloom!  The blacks are coming to get you!

What an uplifting message of hope and unity.  

As I said, the State's DOJ is suing them because of some of their actions which are not related to protecting federal buildings but rather taking people off the streets.  

 
 
 
MUVA
10.2.8  MUVA  replied to  PJ @10.2.7    3 weeks ago

He didn’t mention blacks why would you?

 
 
 
XDm9mm
10.2.9  XDm9mm  replied to  PJ @10.2.7    3 weeks ago
hahahahahaha - you're like a trump campaign commercial. "looting, arson, destruction of public and private property, assault, murder and rape!!!!!!!!!".  Doom and Gloom!  The blacks are coming to get you!

So, you must approve of those activities.   Nice to know you have your friends and neighbors interests best interests as your guide.

What an uplifting message of hope and unity.  

Only if you enjoy those activities.  And since you don't object to them, but consider them campaign slogans only, one must surmise you don't object and wish you could participate.

As I said, the State's DOJ is suing them because of some of their actions which are not related to protecting federal buildings but rather taking people off the streets.  

Taking SUSPECTS off the street.   Lowlife scumbag thugs are like cockroaches when you turn on the light....  they scatter in all directions trying to find cover and hiding.  If the USMS finds one fitting the description of a LLSBT, they apprehend as they should and if it is determined that they are not the individual or guilty, the individual is released.  See how that works?

 
 
 
XDm9mm
10.2.10  XDm9mm  replied to  MUVA @10.2.8    3 weeks ago
He didn’t mention blacks why would you?

Projecting that anyone that supports Trump and is pro law and order MUST be racist.  It's the dogma the left always uses as you well know.   When all else fails, bring out the 'racist card'.

 
 
 
Texan1211
10.2.11  Texan1211  replied to  MUVA @10.2.8    3 weeks ago
He didn’t mention blacks why would you?

Racist?

Or easier to argue specifically what someone wanted him to write rather than the actual words he wrote?

 
 
 
PJ
10.2.12  PJ  replied to  XDm9mm @10.2.9    3 weeks ago

It's clear you don't trust my take on the issue and I don't trust yours.

I tell you what.....let's leave it up to the courts when the FACTS are presented.   Then you and I can debate using that information.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
10.2.13  XDm9mm  replied to  PJ @10.2.12    3 weeks ago
I tell you what.....let's leave it up to the courts when the FACTS are presented.

You have the facts.  You simply refuse to acknowledge them as they don't agree with your predisposed contentions and decisions.

The US Marshals service has every authority to operate in any city or state in the nation.  Period, end of story.

 
 
 
PJ
10.2.14  PJ  replied to  XDm9mm @10.2.13    3 weeks ago

Again....They are being sued because of some tactics.  I'm really trying to keep my points as pointed and short so as not to add any additional confusion to the discussion.  I understand some can become overwhelmed when too much information is introduced at once.

 
 
 
Texan1211
10.2.15  Texan1211  replied to  PJ @10.2.14    3 weeks ago

Where is this lawsuit you talk about filed at?

I would love to take a look at it, but can't seem to find it.

Got a link?

 
 
 
Sparty On
10.2.16  Sparty On  replied to  PJ @10.2.14    3 weeks ago

And to be very pointed and short.    The protestors are being arrested because of their use of illegal tactics.

Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time

 
 
 
PJ
10.2.17  PJ  replied to  Sparty On @10.2.16    3 weeks ago

As they should be.  That's why they have their own law enforcement to handle their own local citizens.  The secret police do not need to be there and that's why they are being sued.

 
 
 
Texan1211
10.2.18  Texan1211  replied to  PJ @10.2.17    3 weeks ago

They are NOT secret police.

Where is this lawsuit you keep mentioning? Where was it filed, and when?

 
 
 
Sparty On
10.2.19  Sparty On  replied to  PJ @10.2.17    3 weeks ago
That's why they have their own law enforcement to handle their own local citizens.

Problem with that thought is they weren’t “handling it” otherwise the Fed wouldn’t need to be there.

 
 
 
PJ
10.2.20  PJ  replied to  Sparty On @10.2.19    3 weeks ago

Well.....no, that's not correct.  The local law enforcement was handling it as they saw fit for their residents.  The energy of the protests was losing it's steam and things were beginning to fizzle out but then trump's secret police showed up and everything escalated again.

The fed's were not requested by the Governor.  They were sent there to pacify trump's ego and political agenda.  They need to leave.

If I were the Governor I would send my State's national guard to intercept the feds and escort them out of the state.  

 
 
 
Texan1211
10.2.21  Texan1211  replied to  PJ @10.2.20    3 weeks ago
If I were the Governor I would send my State's national guard to intercept the feds and escort them out of the state.  

That is fucking CRAZY!

LMAO!

 
 
 
Texan1211
10.2.22  Texan1211  replied to  Sparty On @10.2.19    3 weeks ago

I suppose one liberal definition of "handling" it is allowing folks to control parts of your city and take over a police precinct.

 
 
 
arkpdx
10.2.23  arkpdx  replied to  PJ @10.2.4    3 weeks ago
  I guess that's why the State's DOJ sued the feds

Shes the feds because she is a whiney ass liberal democrat who supports the wrong side

 
 
 
arkpdx
10.2.24  arkpdx  replied to  PJ @10.2.17    3 weeks ago
That's why they have their own law enforcement to handle their own local citizens. 

Yeah, they were doing such a good job of stopping the violence that there has been riots in the streets for the past 50 days or so. 

In local leo's defense , however, the local ACLU, city and state governments have take or tried to take all their tools awayfrom the leo's. They have been doing their best to label the police as criminals and have given in to the rioters demands and even released those arrested without charges. Piss poor government if you ask me 

 
 
 
Tessylo
10.2.25  Tessylo  replied to  PJ @10.2.4    3 weeks ago

"Once again this administration is incapable of defusing situations."

So true PJ, so true.  They just pour gasoline on the flames . . .   

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
10.2.26  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Texan1211 @10.2.21    3 weeks ago

Some folks just cannot comprehend the concept that federal supercedes state when it comes to law enforcement every time!

 
 
 
Gsquared
10.2.27  Gsquared  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @10.2.26    3 weeks ago

Where did you come up with that idea?

 
 
 
Texan1211
10.2.28  Texan1211  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @10.2.26    3 weeks ago

yes, that's true.

must have been from when they went to law school on the internet and became legal experts. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
10.2.29  Texan1211  replied to  Gsquared @10.2.27    3 weeks ago

can the feds bust someone for weed in California, even though it's legal there?

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
10.2.30  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Gsquared @10.2.27    3 weeks ago

Try looking up the Supremacy Clause of the Constitution Of The United States (Article 6, Clause 2). It explains it there. Google is your friend...

 
 
 
Texan1211
10.2.31  Texan1211  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @10.2.30    3 weeks ago

now, now, Ed.

You know you will offend someone's delicate sensibilities if you resort to posting facts like that!

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
10.2.32  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Texan1211 @10.2.31    3 weeks ago

Yep, ain't it cool?jrSmiley_9_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Texan1211
10.2.33  Texan1211  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @10.2.32    3 weeks ago

it is! 

let's see if they support the Constitution, or not.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
10.2.34  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Texan1211 @10.2.33    3 weeks ago

Only when it comes to their interpretation of it!

 
 
 
Sparty On
10.2.35  Sparty On  replied to  PJ @10.2.1    3 weeks ago
They should probably wear it openly so people know exactly who they are and can be assured the actions they are taking are within their authority.

Yeah and the ATF and FBI agents shouldn't have been wearing Gillie suits when they ambushed and murdered Lavoy Finicum in Oregon.

Right?

 
 
 
Dulay
10.2.36  Dulay  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @10.2.30    3 weeks ago

Try looking up the Federal statute that authorizes [and LIMITS] the actions of Federal law enforcement within states. It explains that Federal law enforcement can only use their police powers if they PERSONALLY WITNESS a FELONY. 

Walking one the street in Portland Oregon at night isn't a FELONY, even if you are wearing black. 

 
 
 
arkpdx
10.2.37  arkpdx  replied to  Dulay @10.2.36    3 weeks ago

There you go again only using art of the story. The feds saw someone that looked like him commit a felony and arrested him for questioning. They waited until he was away from any potential conflict. He was released when they determined they had the wrong person

 
 
 
XDm9mm
10.2.38  XDm9mm  replied to  arkpdx @10.2.37    3 weeks ago
There you go again only using art of the story. The feds saw someone that looked like him commit a felony and arrested him for questioning. They waited until he was away from any potential conflict. He was released when they determined they had the wrong person

There you go.....  bursting the fantasy bubble of someone...  again.   It must suck to be correct so often!!  jrSmiley_82_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Tessylo
10.2.39  Tessylo  replied to  Dulay @10.2.36    3 weeks ago
"Try looking up the Federal statute that authorizes [and LIMITS] the actions of Federal law enforcement within states. It explains that Federal law enforcement can only use their police powers if they PERSONALLY WITNESS a FELONY.  Walking one the street in Portland Oregon at night isn't a FELONY, even if you are wearing black."

Yup, and tRumps thugs and goons are taking them off the street for no reason whatsoever.  

 
 
 
PJ
10.2.40  PJ  replied to  arkpdx @10.2.37    3 weeks ago

Oh.....so they got the wrong person.  Talk about sending your best and brightest. 

jrSmiley_103_smiley_image.jpg

I think I'll start a go fund me page to raise money to send these thugs back to moscow.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
10.2.41  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  arkpdx @10.2.37    3 weeks ago

Also note that he did not state what particular federal statute should be looked up. I have this person on ignore, but I got the gist of his response from others. 

 
 
 
Dulay
10.2.42  Dulay  replied to  arkpdx @10.2.37    3 weeks ago

They released him when he refused to waive his Miranda rights and demanded a lawyer. 

Tell the truth...

 
 
 
arkpdx
10.2.43  arkpdx  replied to  Dulay @10.2.42    3 weeks ago

Link?

 
 
 
Dulay
10.2.44  Dulay  replied to  arkpdx @10.2.43    3 weeks ago
Link?

Blinded by his hat, in an unmarked minivan full of armed people dressed in camouflage and body armor who hadn't identified themselves, Pettibone said he was driven around downtown before being unloaded inside a building. He wouldn't learn until after his release that he had been inside the federal courthouse.

"It was basically a process of facing many walls and corners as they patted me down and took my picture and rummaged through my belongings," Pettibone said. "One of them said, 'This is a whole lot of nothing.' "

Pettibone said he was put into a cell. Soon after, two officers came in to read him his Miranda rights. They didn't tell him why he was being arrested. He said they asked him whether he wanted to waive his rights and answer some questions, but Pettibone declined and said he wanted a lawyer. The interview was terminated, and about 90 minutes later, he was released. He said he did not receive any paperwork, citation or record of his arrest.

"I just happened to be wearing black on a sidewalk in downtown Portland at the time," Pettibone said. "And that apparently is grounds for detaining me."

https://www.npr.org/2020/07/17/892277592/federal-officers-use-unmarked-vehicles-to-grab-protesters-in-portland

Since you are all about links, how about a link that states that Pettibone was released after they 'determined that they had the wrong person' and HOW they determined that fact.

YOU insist his abduction was all about his physical similarity to an alleged perpetrator of a crime. I'd LOVE to see how they eliminated him based purely on the fact that he wouldn't waive his Miranda rights or answer questions. 

 
 
 
Dulay
10.2.45  Dulay  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @10.2.41    3 weeks ago
Also note that he did not state what particular federal statute should be looked up.

So your admitting that you don't actually KNOW the 'supreme' Federal law that those Agents are mandated to follow. Got ya. 

As you said, Google is your friend. 

I have this person on ignore, but I got the gist of his response from others. 

In reality, you saw the block quote from Tessy. jrSmiley_84_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Texan1211
10.3  Texan1211  replied to  PJ @10    3 weeks ago
I think we're seeing Trump's obsession with dictators come to life.  Now he's established his administration's secret police just like putin to intimidate, bully, and control American citizen so they will not oppose him.  This is classic authoritarian strategy.

You may have a real career in fiction writing.

I'm just waiting for people to go missing......

Let us know how that works out for you.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
10.4  Greg Jones  replied to  PJ @10    3 weeks ago
I'm just waiting for people to go missing......

You mean like thousands of Chinese people have, including many doctors and medical experts who tried to warn the Commie Chinese government of a possible pandemic in the making....

who were immediately silenced and accused of subversive propaganda??

The problem is, is that the state and local governments are not doing their jobs of protecting ordinary citizens, but letting violent mobs rule the streets.

Your comments are so often misinformed and wrong. Try to think of what's good for the American people, not how your Democrat party can gain even more authority and power.

 
 
 
Gazoo
10.5  Gazoo  replied to  PJ @10    3 weeks ago

“I'm curious where those voices are that demand the federal government stay out of the States and let them govern themselves?”

let the states govern themselves,,,,,arizona tried that with sb 1070 and liberals had a cow. The hypocrisy is astounding.

 
 
 
Ender
10.6  Ender  replied to  PJ @10    3 weeks ago

Amazing to me what the donald supporters will defend.

I keep thinking there will be some line they would no cross, but no.

Now they actually cheer on the feds picking people up off the street like in some doctoral, communist country.

Now the 'state rights' people are actually saying the feds have ultimate and all control.

They cheer for a centralized government, all because donald says the 'others' are out to destroy everything.

And they believe him, without question.

 
 
 
Texan1211
10.6.1  Texan1211  replied to  Ender @10.6    3 weeks ago

I guess we could pretend we like people destroying public property and private property in the name of "social justice".

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
10.6.2  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Ender @10.6    3 weeks ago
Amazing to me what the donald supporters will defend.

we will always support removing terrorists from our society

256

 
 
 
PJ
10.6.3  PJ  replied to  Ender @10.6    3 weeks ago

It was strategic on the administration's part.  They understand their base very well and how easily they are manipulated to think and support a policy where normally they would understand it was an overreach of power.  The administration only needed to throw the term "other and X minority" in with their explanation and their followers couldn't get in line quick enough.  

 
 
 
Ender
10.6.4  Ender  replied to  PJ @10.6.3    3 weeks ago

True. Just listen to the responses here.

Terrorists, need to be thrown in gitmo, destroying everything in sight...

Unreal. All he has to do is say a few buzzwords and the faithful all join in.

If I were to believe them, the city is in ruins...

Round them all up! Put them in encampments!

Where have we heard that before....

 
 
 
PJ
10.6.5  PJ  replied to  Ender @10.6.4    3 weeks ago

Yes, they talk about getting rid of their political opponents and we talk about helping them by improving our mental health services and offering affordable healthcare and higher education.

 
 
 
Texan1211
10.6.6  Texan1211  replied to  Ender @10.6.4    3 weeks ago

People who destroy private and public property, loot, commit arson, etc. belong in jail.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
10.6.7  Sean Treacy  replied to  Texan1211 @10.6.6    3 weeks ago

People who destroy private and public property, loot, commit arson, etc. belong in jail

as this thread demonstrates, an entire political movement is now in opposition to that common sense statement.

 
 
 
Ender
10.6.8  Ender  replied to  PJ @10.6.5    3 weeks ago

Yep. I guess some would prefer another Kent State.

 
 
 
Texan1211
10.6.9  Texan1211  replied to  Sean Treacy @10.6.7    3 weeks ago

Kind of shows who really needsthat money spent on mental health!

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
10.6.10  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Ender @10.6.8    3 weeks ago
guess some would prefer another Kent State

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the best part about getting arrested by the feds?    there is no get out of jail free card.

 
 
 
Ender
10.6.11  Ender  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @10.6.10    3 weeks ago

Congrats. You follow the donald line to a tee.

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The Magic Eight Ball
10.6.12  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Ender @10.6.11    3 weeks ago
You follow the donald line to a tee.

actually, trump is working for me.

you keep thinking we "listen to trump"

fact is.... he listens to us.

 
 
 
Ender
10.6.13  Ender  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @10.6.12    3 weeks ago

Haha    Whatever you have to tell yourself.

 
 
 
JBB
10.6.14  seeder  JBB  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @10.6.12    3 weeks ago

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The Magic Eight Ball
10.6.15  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  JBB @10.6.14    3 weeks ago
Only if you define "us" as uneducated whites...

are you also including the 7 million obama voters who voted for trump?   (rhetorical)

trump will have more minority support in nov than he did in 2016

BTW, thinking in terms of color is racist

 
 
 
JBB
10.6.16  seeder  JBB  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @10.6.15    3 weeks ago

7,000,000 Obama voters didn't vote for Trump!

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
10.6.17  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  JBB @10.6.16    3 weeks ago
7,000,000 Obama voters didn't vote for Trump!

how did I know you would question that?  LOL   already had the link ready.


https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/nov/28/jarrett-voters-flipped-trump-painful-think-about/

About 7 million voters who supported Mr. Obama in 2012 abandoned Democrat Hillary Clinton in 2016 and instead voted for  Mr. Trump .

“They were looking for change,”   Ms. Jarrett  said on “Morning Joe” on MSNBC. “I really can’t spend a lot of time looking backward, it’s too painful for me.”


 

that was just the first 7 million to abandon the left....   time marches on and the trend continues.

maybe the left should burn another city? I mean, that "might help... LOL

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
10.6.18  Vic Eldred  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @10.6.17    3 weeks ago

And as for the rest:

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Sparty On
10.6.19  Sparty On  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @10.6.12    3 weeks ago

Bazinga!

 
 
 
Tessylo
10.6.20  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @10.6.18    3 weeks ago

That's exactly what tRump is doing . . . . he knows it's the end of the line so he's doing his best to burn it all to the ground.  

Funny how his supporters think tRump cares about them!  It's freaking hilarious actually.

tRump cares about tRump.  NO ONE ELSE.  

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
10.6.21  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Texan1211 @10.6.1    3 weeks ago

Just more of that summer of love stuff!

 
 
 
Texan1211
10.6.22  Texan1211  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @10.6.21    3 weeks ago

pretty sad stuff.

if the nutjobs weren't actually dangerous, it would be comical!

 
 
 
Dulay
10.6.23  Dulay  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @10.6.17    3 weeks ago

So the author of your link made shit up and you and your trumbs up buddies believe it. jrSmiley_84_smiley_image.gif  

Obama 2012 - 65,915,795

Clinton 2016 - 65,853,514

That's a difference of 62,281 votes. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
10.6.24  Trout Giggles  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @10.6.12    3 weeks ago
you keep thinking we "listen to trump" fact is.... he listens to us.

Holy shit!!!!!!! What the hell are you whispering in his ear????

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
10.6.25  Sean Treacy  replied to  Dulay @10.6.23    3 weeks ago

You know how our elections work right? The number of voters changes each election.   Millions more voted in 2016 than 2012.

 
 
 
Dulay
10.6.26  Dulay  replied to  Sean Treacy @10.6.25    3 weeks ago
You know how our elections work right?

Why yes Sean, YES I do. 

The number of voters changes each election.   Millions more voted in 2016 than 2012.

That wasn't the premise of 8's statement, was it Sean? 

8 stated that 7 MILLION Obama [2012] voters voted for Trump [2016]. So how many TOTAL voters for each election is irrelevant but thanks for playing. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
10.6.27  Sean Treacy  replied to  Dulay @10.6.26    3 weeks ago

Yes and he proved it.   You, for some reason that escapes the realm of logic, think comparing the votes counts of the democratic candidates in those two elections somehow disproved it. 

you don’t know how numbers or elections work if you think you addressed his point.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
10.6.28  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Dulay @10.6.26    3 weeks ago

How many were eligible but did not vote at all?..................Leaving the possibility that the 7million is plausible.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
10.6.29  Sean Treacy  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @10.6.28    3 weeks ago

Yep, it’s common sense.  Some Obama voters died. Many voted for Clinton. Some didn’t vote, millions voted for trump. Some voted third party. Some new voters or voters who sat out 2012, voted for Clinton. Some Romney voters voted for Clinton.  A  similar   combination of categories  made up the trump vote. 

The sum total of all those categories ended up about the same for Democrats as in 2012.  That’s  all the total vote means. It sheds no light on the number of votes in each category.

 
 
 
Dulay
10.6.30  Dulay  replied to  Sean Treacy @10.6.27    3 weeks ago
Yes and he proved it.

How? By linking an article from an author who writes unsubstantiated bullshit? 

That sure as hell isn't my idea of proof. 

 
 
 
Dulay
10.6.31  Dulay  replied to  Sean Treacy @10.6.29    3 weeks ago

But 8 insists that 7 MILLION Obama voters voted for Trump so AGAIN, 'new voters or voters that sat out 2012' are IRRELVANT. 

Face it, 8's statement was bullshit and your defense of it is too. 

 
 
 
Dulay
10.6.32  Dulay  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @10.6.28    3 weeks ago

A higher percentage of those eligible voted in 2016 vs. 2012. 

BTFW, 8 didn't predicate his statement as a 'possibility', he sited it as a fact without one iota of evidence. Sean insists that 8 PROVED it without one iota of evidence in support. Now you chime in with 'plausibility', backtracking from both. 

So now I've got three guys throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks.

NONE of it does. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
10.6.33  Sean Treacy  replied to  Dulay @10.6.31    3 weeks ago

Good thing you've stopped trying to defend your bullshit claim that raw vote totals somehow discredited eight's statement.

Eight provided a source to back his claim. You've done nothing but spin in circles.

Instead of lashing out, why don't you try once more to prove eight and his source wrong? You whiffed once. Maybe you can do better now that it's been explained to you. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
10.6.34  Tessylo  replied to  Sean Treacy @10.6.33    3 weeks ago

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Tessylo
10.6.35  Tessylo  replied to  Sean Treacy @10.6.27    3 weeks ago

He didn't prove squat, diddly, nada, Zip, zero, zilch . . .

 
 
 
Tessylo
10.6.36  Tessylo  replied to  Trout Giggles @10.6.24    3 weeks ago
"you keep thinking we "listen to trump" fact is.... he listens to us."

"Holy shit!!!!!!! What the hell are you whispering in his ear????"

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Trout Giggles
10.6.37  Trout Giggles  replied to  Tessylo @10.6.36    3 weeks ago

I'm glad somebody thought it was funny

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
10.6.38  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Dulay @10.6.32    3 weeks ago
A higher percentage of those eligible voted in 2016 vs. 2012. 

Yep but you fail due to the fact you cannot know, based on your supposition, whom they voted for.

2012 - 57.5% or 126 million Mr. Obama, per your numbers, 65,915,795

2016 - 58.1% or 138 million Mrs. Clinton, per your numbers, 65,853,514

That's 12 million difference and your numbers above, leaves 72,146,486 out of which, Mr. Trump got a little over 62 million which leave us with 10 million +/- and there is a great possibility that the Obama voters MAY have been pissed at Mrs. Clinton and the DNC because of what they did to Bernie. Some jumped ship and went to Indies others out of spite went to Mr. Trump.  2,881,640 voted other parties. That leaves 7,118,360 votes. Again, plausible.

https://bipartisanpolicy.org/report/2012-voter-turnout/

https://guides.libraries.psu.edu/post-election-2016/voter-turnout

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election

 
 
 
Dulay
10.6.39  Dulay  replied to  Sean Treacy @10.6.33    3 weeks ago
Instead of lashing out, why don't you try once more to prove eight and his source wrong? You whiffed once. Maybe you can do better now that it's been explained to you. 

Your comment is hilarious Sean.

8's 'source' quotes Jarrett and then the author makes an unsubstantiated claim. There is NO connection  between the two statements other than the fact that they are contained in the same fucking article. Conservative 'journalists' try to pull that bullshit all of the time and all too many, like those here, swill it up. Believe all the bullshit you want, I couldn't care less. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
10.6.40  Sean Treacy  replied to  Tessylo @10.6.34    3 weeks ago

Why don't you try and prove him wrong? Let's see you make an actual argument supported by a source. 

I  know he's correct and you have no hope of actually proving him wrong but it'll be funny to watch it play out. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
10.6.41  Tessylo  replied to  Sean Treacy @10.6.40    3 weeks ago

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Sean Treacy
10.6.42  Sean Treacy  replied to  Dulay @10.6.39    3 weeks ago

. I'd say prove him wrong, but we both know you can't.  I'm sure you've realized by now he's correct so you can either do the honest thing and admit that, or resort to some pathetic ad hominem whining.  

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
10.6.43  Sean Treacy  replied to  Tessylo @10.6.41    3 weeks ago

Just as I thought.

No attempt at an actual argument. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
10.6.44  Tessylo  replied to  Sean Treacy @10.6.43    3 weeks ago

Yeah, me too.  .   .  

 
 
 
Tessylo
10.6.45  Tessylo  replied to  Sean Treacy @10.6.43    3 weeks ago
Just as I thought. No attempt at an actual argument. 

 
 
 
Dulay
10.6.46  Dulay  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @10.6.38    3 weeks ago
Yep but you fail due to the fact you cannot know, based on your supposition, whom they voted for.

Well gee Jim, then so does 8. 

Oh and BTFW, your math is WAY off.

That's 12 million difference 

The TOTAL number of votes cast in 2016 was 128,838,342.

The TOTAL number of votes cast in 2012 was 126,849,299.

Now I'm no mathematician but that sure as fuck doesn't look like 12 MILLION difference to ME. 

So where the hell did YOU get YOUR '12 MILLION' from Jim? 

Oh and the percentages you cited are WRONG too. 

Clinton was 48.2% NOT 58.1% per YOUR 2016 link. 

Obama's 2012 was 51.1 % NOT 57.5% per that same link.

I thought I had issues with numbers...

 
 
 
Dulay
10.6.47  Dulay  replied to  Sean Treacy @10.6.42    3 weeks ago
I'd say prove him wrong, but we both know you can't.  I'm sure you've realized by now he's correct so you can either do the honest thing and admit that, or resort to some pathetic ad hominem whining.  

I'd say prove him right but we both know that you can't. You said 8 proved it and that you know that he is correct. YOU prove it. 

If all any of you have is the bullshit link from 8 and bad math your argument is a FAIL. 

Oh and BTFW, I have addressed comments, not the poster. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
10.6.48  Sean Treacy  replied to  Dulay @10.6.47    3 weeks ago

YOU prove it.

So, yet again, you can't support an argument.

Yet again, I can.

https://dataverse.harvard.edu/dataset.xhtml?persistentId=doi%3A10.7910/DVN/GDF6Z0

 
 
 
Tessylo
10.6.49  Tessylo  replied to  Sean Treacy @10.6.48    3 weeks ago

Which has what to do with now?

 
 
 
Dulay
10.6.50  Dulay  replied to  Sean Treacy @10.6.48    3 weeks ago

I'm not following down a rabbit hole and reading a 182 page document that probably doesn't prove a fucking thing about 7 OR 12 million Obama voters. What version, page and paragraph Sean. 

 
 
 
arkpdx
10.6.51  arkpdx  replied to  Dulay @10.6.50    3 weeks ago

In other words your minds made up and no matter what proof and facts anyone shows your false opinion will stay. 

 
 
 
Dulay
10.6.52  Dulay  replied to  arkpdx @10.6.51    3 weeks ago

Wow, that comment illustrates some hard core projection. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
10.7  Trout Giggles  replied to  PJ @10    3 weeks ago

What happens to the people that get thrown into those vans? Are they taken to jail? Are their families informed where they are?

 
 
 
Adam_Selene
10.7.1  Adam_Selene  replied to  Trout Giggles @10.7    3 weeks ago

It was all projection by the right a few years ago. They as much as told us what they were going to do.

It's a conspiracy. ( Oh, we need a "scary font" option for conspiracy theories. Bold italic just doesn't cut it.)

Where was I - oh yeah - Conspiracy!!!.

Remember the Walmart concentration camps?

That right.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
10.7.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  Adam_Selene @10.7.1    3 weeks ago

Oh boy do I remember the Walmart concentration camps....

 
 
 
Nerm_L
11  Nerm_L    3 weeks ago

Vandalizing Federal property is a Federal crime.  Making threats against Federal personnel and Federal property is a Federal crime.  Instigating insurrection or rebellion, particularly violent insurrection or rebellion, against the Federal government is a Federal crime.  And Federal law enforcement has jurisdiction to arrest those suspected of perpetrating a Federal crime wherever those suspects are found.  

Portland, OR, and the state of Oregon is under the jurisdiction and authority of the Federal government.  That's a consequence of Democrats having lost the first Civil War.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
11.1  Nerm_L  replied to  Nerm_L @11    3 weeks ago

The members of Federal law enforcement shown in the photo are certainly not clandestine and their presence is certainly no secret.  And interfering with Federal law enforcement using their authority to enforce Federal laws is a Federal crime.

The Federal government has jurisdiction and the presence of Federal law enforcement is asserting Federal authority.

 
 
 
Dulay
11.2  Dulay  replied to  Nerm_L @11    3 weeks ago

It's a violation of the US Constitution to arrest someone without probable cause. There needs to be an end to law enforcement shielding themselves with made up bullshit excuses for arresting anyone. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
11.2.1  Nerm_L  replied to  Dulay @11.2    3 weeks ago
It's a violation of the US Constitution to arrest someone without probable cause. There needs to be an end to law enforcement shielding themselves with made up bullshit excuses for arresting anyone. 

Vandalism is a crime.  Federal property has been vandalized; that's an actual crime, not a suspected or probable crime.  And law enforcement can detain individuals suspected of committing a crime.

Calling vandalism a 'peaceful protest' does not remove the legal consequences of vandalism.  The vandals can also be sued for damages in a civil proceeding.  

 
 
 
Dulay
11.2.2  Dulay  replied to  Nerm_L @11.2.1    3 weeks ago

But in all too many examples of late, they have NO had probable cause and without that, ANY arrest or physical attack is a violation of the Constitution.

The 'officers' who snatched Pettibone off of the street in Portland violated his Constitutional rights.

The 'officers' who beat and pepper sprayed Christopher David, a Navy vet, violated his Constitutional rights. 

Both are CRIMES and the Federal government should be sued for damages in civil proceedings. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
12  Sean Treacy    3 weeks ago

More peaceful protesting:

Last night they set the Police Union Hall on fire and tried to destroy the federal courthouse.

All good with progressives, of course.

 
 
 
PJ
12.1  PJ  replied to  Sean Treacy @12    3 weeks ago

Who said it was all good with progressives?  

There are two competing issues within the article.  

  • Secret Police tactics
  • Unrest and rioting

One does not cancel out the other.  

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
12.1.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  PJ @12.1    3 weeks ago

legally arresting criminals and charging them with crimes are not "secret police" tactics.

I've seen almost no pushback from progressive leaders about these violent riots.  In Chicago, for instance, 18 cops were injured by these clowns and the Mayor's response was a tweet asking people to report police misconduct.  

 
 
 
Greg Jones
12.1.2  Greg Jones  replied to  PJ @12.1    3 weeks ago

Nothing secret about it...as has already been repeatedly pointed out to you.

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Texan1211
12.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  PJ @12.1    3 weeks ago

Secret police tactics?

LMAO!

Where? 

LaLa Land?

 
 
 
PJ
12.1.4  PJ  replied to  Sean Treacy @12.1.1    3 weeks ago

Okay.  You can focus on the weeds and I will focus on the implications nationwide.  I also disagree that everything they are doing is "legal".  That's why they are being sued.

There used to be a time when republicans and others didn't appreciate feds sticking their noses in State and local issues.  Now that the focus is on groups of people that republicans don't respect it seems to have changed their position regarding feds coming into States.

 
 
 
Sparty On
12.1.5  Sparty On  replied to  Sean Treacy @12.1.1    3 weeks ago

The progressive derangement is reaching a crescendo.    

Hopefully voters recognize that and react accordingly in August and November and start giving these wackadoodle progressive politicians their walking papers.

If not, they deserve what they get.   Absolutely.    

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
12.1.6  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Sparty On @12.1.5    3 weeks ago
Hopefully voters recognize that and react accordingly

about 1000 people per day have joined the walkaway movement in the past few months

I'm not seeing the left winning the popular vote this nov. not that it matters, but the left seems to care a lot about that...    LOL

 
 
 
Texan1211
12.1.7  Texan1211  replied to  PJ @12.1.4    3 weeks ago

There used to be a time when Americans didn't like people rioting, burning, and looting.

Now it seems like only some of us don't like it.

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
12.1.8  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Texan1211 @12.1.7    3 weeks ago
Now it seems like only some of us don't like it

more than most imagine...

the left are cutting their collective throats with all the violence

we can expect a nov blowout of epic proportions.

 
 
 
PJ
12.1.9  PJ  replied to  Sparty On @12.1.5    3 weeks ago

Another clear distinction between you and me.  You focus on one party's dysfunctional leaders and I focus on all that would destroy our country.

 
 
 
Sparty On
12.1.10  Sparty On  replied to  PJ @12.1.9    3 weeks ago

Leaders who don’t fulfill their oath office, that is to protect ALL their constituents, are the problem that might destroy this country.

Wake up.

 
 
 
arkpdx
12.1.11  arkpdx  replied to  PJ @12.1.4    3 weeks ago
That's why they are being sued.

Being sued by a state fried not mean something illegal. In this case it means some whiney ass liberal state official and some cry baby liberal groups are supporting the wrong side again. 

 
 
 
bugsy
12.1.12  bugsy  replied to  PJ @12.1    3 weeks ago
Secret Police tactics

Who is this "secret police" you keep rambling about?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
12.1.13  Sean Treacy  replied to  Sean Treacy @12.1.1    3 weeks ago
riots.  In Chicago, for instance, 18 cops were injured by these clowns and the Mayor's response was a tweet asking people to report police misconduct.  

She also had 100 police guarding her street last night.  Police for me, not for thee is the progressive mantra.

 
 
 
PJ
12.1.14  PJ  replied to  bugsy @12.1.12    3 weeks ago

I can't tell you.  It's a secret.

 
 
 
Tessylo
12.1.15  Tessylo  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @12.1.6    3 weeks ago

There is no such thing as the walkaway movement.   Authentic as the 'teabaggers', I mean teaparty, LOL!

 
 
 
Tessylo
12.1.16  Tessylo  replied to  arkpdx @12.1.11    3 weeks ago

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Tessylo
12.1.17  Tessylo  replied to  Sparty On @12.1.10    3 weeks ago

When has tRump fulfilled his oath of office, protecting ALL his constituents?

Wake up.

 
 
 
Texan1211
12.1.18  Texan1211  replied to  bugsy @12.1.12    3 weeks ago

pure imagination.

not anything to do with facts, just fantasy

 
 
 
arkpdx
12.1.19  arkpdx  replied to  Tessylo @12.1.17    3 weeks ago
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

There is the president's oath of office. Where does it say that?

 
 
 
Texan1211
12.1.20  Texan1211  replied to  arkpdx @12.1.19    3 weeks ago

facts, schmacks!!

good post!

 
 
 
MAGA
12.1.21  MAGA  replied to  arkpdx @12.1.19    3 weeks ago

It’s time the President engage in a game of chicken with the mayor.  Tell him the federal law enforcement will leave but only after he gets his city under control. Or the mayor can openly side with the Antifa and anarchy rioters  and let l his city burn until he hopes Jan . 20 brings a new President.  I think imposing law and order will come first.  

 
 
 
Sparty On
12.1.22  Sparty On  replied to  Tessylo @12.1.17    3 weeks ago

What’s tRump?

 
 
 
MAGA
12.1.23  MAGA  replied to  Sparty On @12.1.22    3 weeks ago

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Tessylo
12.1.24  Tessylo  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @12.1.8    3 weeks ago

"we can expect a nov blowout of epic proportions."

Yes indeed, Joe Biden in a landslide!

 
 
 
Tessylo
12.1.25  Tessylo  replied to  Sparty On @12.1.22    3 weeks ago

the 'president'

 
 
 
arkpdx
12.1.26  arkpdx  replied to  Tessylo @12.1.24    3 weeks ago

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The Magic Eight Ball
12.1.27  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Tessylo @12.1.24    3 weeks ago
Yes indeed, Joe Biden in a landslide!

joe can't even get 20 people to watch his basement podcast...   LOL

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
13  Vic Eldred    3 weeks ago

As a legal matter, Portland cannot force the federal officers out of Portland or prevent arrests for federal offenses. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
14  Sean Treacy    3 weeks ago

An organizer of the protests is calling for the abolition of the United States 

and Democrats support her.

It's 1861 all over again. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
14.1  Tessylo  replied to  Sean Treacy @14    3 weeks ago

Who is that?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
15  Buzz of the Orient    3 weeks ago

I read this on the morning USA Today news clip that I get.  It's good to get a glimpse into America - makes me wonder how some have the nerve be so critical of other countries.

Oregon AG sues federal agencies over Portland arrests

Oregon Attorney General Ellen Rosenblum is suing multiple federal agencies, saying that agents in unmarked vehicles   have grabbed people off Portland's streets without a warrant   . The lawsuit, filed Friday in Oregon U.S. District Court, says the agents violated the civil rights of Oregon residents using unlawful tactics. Rosenblum's complaint says such tactics could lead a person to reasonably believe they are being kidnapped and that the fear and violence in downtown Portland is driven by federal law enforcement and that tactics need to change. It asks the court to require federal agents to identify themselves and their agency before conducting an arrest and give an explanation to any person being detained for the arrest. 

The Democratic chairs of three House committees   are calling for the inspectors general for the Justice Department and Department of Homeland Security to investigate the use of force   by federal law enforcement officers against anti-police brutality protesters .

Portland police declared a Saturday night gathering a riot after hundreds of demonstrators started dumpster fires   as well as broke into a building and set it ablaze . Photos and videos shared on social media by reporters and bystanders show police using tear gas to help clear the area.
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Protesters gather during a demonstration in Portland, Oregon, Thursday, July 16, 2020. Federal officers deployed tear gas and fired less-lethal rounds into a crowd of protesters late Thursday. The actions came just hours after the head of the Department of Homeland Security called the protesters “violent anarchists.”
Beth Nakamura, AP
 
 
 
MAGA
16  MAGA    3 weeks ago

To the mayor of Portland;  not only no but HELL NO!  

 
 
 
arkpdx
16.1  arkpdx  replied to  MAGA @16    3 weeks ago

My oath when  I went in the Navy said I would defend the country from all enemies both foreign and democrat. That oath is still in effect. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
16.1.1  Sparty On  replied to  arkpdx @16.1    3 weeks ago

Yep, I’m still better dead than red as well.. 

Never thought the reds would be domestic though.

 
 
 
Sparty On
17  Sparty On    3 weeks ago

Portland ..... welcome to shitholedom.    

Detroit and Seattle welcome you.

 
 
 
loki12
17.1  loki12  replied to  Sparty On @17    3 weeks ago

NY, Chicago and Baltimore are also willing to send you pointers on keeping your shithole status.

 
 
 
Sparty On
17.1.1  Sparty On  replied to  loki12 @17.1    3 weeks ago

Don't forget the leader is the shithole sweepstakes.

St Louis ..... murder capital of the USA.  

Detroit thanks you St Louis for taking over #1.

 
 
 
loki12
17.1.2  loki12  replied to  Sparty On @17.1.1    3 weeks ago

We were working at the federal courthouse in East St. Louis, the  Chief Deputy US Marshal. (the actual law enforcement officer who runs the place not the political appointee.) Told us, "for our safety," mind you, we are all armed, that we should be out of the area and back to our hotels in the more tourist area before dark. Detroit wasn't even that bad. 

 
 
 
MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)
17.1.3  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)  replied to  Sparty On @17.1.1    3 weeks ago

Yes we do! jrSmiley_82_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Sparty On
17.1.4  Sparty On  replied to  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka) @17.1.3    3 weeks ago

Stay safe down there!

 
 
 
MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)
17.1.5  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)  replied to  Sparty On @17.1.4    3 weeks ago

Always "packing" when I leave the house Sparty. jrSmiley_82_smiley_image.gif

I have kids to help protect. Glad I can work from home rather than drive through the "D" to get to Southfield, which is more questionable by the day too. 

I work for the most diverse company I've ever worked for in my life and I don't get why society can't get along like our company does. Race, creed, sex, sexual orientation, or religion doesn't get in the way of us getting along, getting together, acting professional, and accomplishing great things. Our company even has "family" days where we bring our families together at the building we work in and have food, games, car shows and fun. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
17.1.6  XDm9mm  replied to  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka) @17.1.5    3 weeks ago
I work for the most diverse company I've ever worked for in my life and I don't get why society can't get along like our company does.

Probably because the people that WORK there, have more and better things to do with their time than agitate against people that work and what those people have accomplished with self determination, pride and work.   

Isn't it amazing how those willing to work are almost always denigrated by those that are only willing to protest and agitate?

 
 
 
Sparty On
17.1.7  Sparty On  replied to  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka) @17.1.5    3 weeks ago

I worked for an organization like that as well.   Years ago.

The United States Marine Corps ..... jrSmiley_9_smiley_image.gif

Honestly, i think most Americans are just like what you speak of.   It's just a relatively small group of whiny little babies making most of the noise.   People that are really worried about someones well being other than their own narcissistic butt get it.   And will hopefully vote accordingly in November.

 
 
 
MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)
17.1.8  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)  replied to  XDm9mm @17.1.6    3 weeks ago

Amazing indeed. 

 
 
 
MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)
17.1.9  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)  replied to  Sparty On @17.1.7    3 weeks ago

But what is the saying, "The squeaky wheel gets the grease"? That's the bad part of the whiny, cry-babies that were given everything they've ever wanted, isn't it?

When I was a kid, I'd get slapped in the face for looking at my mother in a certain manner. My kids don't get shit if they whine or choose to ignore the rules in my home. Hell, my mother broke a hairbrush over my head when I was 4 because I said, "Ouch" when she was brushing it. While I may not slap mine for looking at me funny, they don't get anything until they EARN IT. There's no participation trophies in my house. They don't like the rules... let them go somewhere else; I'm positive they won't like anywhere else better. And now that my daughter's boyfriend lives with us [he was in a BAD situation and he was 18 (now 19), but not completely self-sufficient yet], he points out to both my kids how awesome they have it. jrSmiley_86_smiley_image.gif

I love having him here because he grew up in a shitty way and not only respects my husband and I, but shows his appreciation by doing things without ever being asked and asks for nothing. He'll offer me money for something [XBox live for example because he doesn't have an Amazon Prime account and I do] and I'll slip that money right back in his pants pocket of his laundry, because he does more than both my kids combined, to me $25 for a 3 month subscription is chump-change for him doing the work he does.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
17.1.10  XDm9mm  replied to  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka) @17.1.9    3 weeks ago
to me $25 for a 3 month subscription is chump-change for him doing the work he does.

ruh-roh....   now you're going to called a 'child abuser', or worse a slave owner.  I mean hell, how can you not provide him a full "Prime" account of his own as well as providing in I'll surmise meals in addition to a roof over his head and all the amenities of a stable home life? /s/

My mom smacked me in the back of the legs with a broom handle for not getting upstairs quicker when I preceded her up with the washed dried and folded laundry I had in the basket.  Oh, and I was the one who did the laundry to boot!!

he points out to both my kids how awesome they have it.  jrSmiley_86_smiley_image.gif

That's called appreciation.    Now if only he could actually TEACH them to appreciate what they have while they still have it!!

 
 
 
MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)
17.1.11  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)  replied to  XDm9mm @17.1.10    3 weeks ago
...meals in addition to a roof over his head and all the amenities of a stable home life?

Exactly. He passed out at a school concert because he hadn't eaten that day. That was when I began talking to him about moving in with all seriousness.

 
 
 
MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)
17.1.12  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)  replied to  XDm9mm @17.1.10    3 weeks ago

jrSmiley_86_smiley_image.gif He just now asked me if he could have chips and salsa. Like I would ever say no.

 
 
 
Sparty On
17.1.13  Sparty On  replied to  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka) @17.1.9    3 weeks ago

He sounds like a keeper.   Tell her to not screw it up. jrSmiley_9_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)
17.1.14  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)  replied to  Sparty On @17.1.13    3 weeks ago

He's an awesome kid. My husband and I already told them both that even if they broke up, he's staying. He needs a stable home while attending college.

 
 
 
MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)
17.1.15  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)  replied to  Sparty On @17.1.13    3 weeks ago

And if my daughter has a rough time with a break-up, she can spend time at her dad's for a while. But I can honestly say, she usually comes to me when she's being all super clingy and extra "girly" with her reaction to something he's done or not done according to her. I take her out to do stuff if he needs space away from her too. He's good about coming to me too when he needs to get things off his chest. I'm glad that they're both comfortable with doing so; they both need guidance in different ways.

The day of his graduation, he was really angry / upset because his mother was being shitty. I just gave him a hug and told him to put the phone down. He graduated a year late, but he only graduated this year because I maintained contact with his teachers and put a boot in his butt so to speak to do what he needed to in order to graduate. He even told people that the only reason he graduated was because of me. jrSmiley_93_smiley_image.jpg

 
 
 
Sparty On
17.1.16  Sparty On  replied to  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka) @17.1.15    3 weeks ago

Awesome, that's great!

 
 
 
loki12
18  loki12    3 weeks ago

Democrats, are any of you cities not complete shitholes? 

 
 
 
Sparty On
18.1  Sparty On  replied to  loki12 @18    3 weeks ago

Minneapolis is nice ..... check that ...... was nice.  

My mistake.

 
 
 
loki12
18.1.1  loki12  replied to  Sparty On @18.1    3 weeks ago

What I don't understand is how they can be so arrogant? everything they touch turns to shit and yet they think they are something special and can tell others how to run their lives.  delusions of grandeur? 

 
 
 
Sparty On
18.1.2  Sparty On  replied to  loki12 @18.1.1    3 weeks ago

The promise of more free shit keeps them getting elected.  

Their constituency tends to not be the fastest puppy in the litter or the one with the most initiative.

They're that one puppy that lays in the corner and craps themself because it's too lazy to get up and take a dump.

 
 
 
loki12
18.1.3  loki12  replied to  Sparty On @18.1.2    3 weeks ago

Their 600 extra federal dollars in unemployment ends this week.......What do you think the riots will look like then when they can't afford to be high all the time?

 
 
 
Sparty On
18.1.4  Sparty On  replied to  loki12 @18.1.3    3 weeks ago

I think it will look like this:

Keep your powder dry in big cities people .... that is if you are lucky enough that your liberal city masters allow you to have it.

 
 
 
loki12
18.1.5  loki12  replied to  Sparty On @18.1.4    3 weeks ago

The rocket science of the left, take away your ability to protect yourself, then take away the police. Are the people who vote for these idiots retarded?

 
 
 
Sparty On
18.1.6  Sparty On  replied to  loki12 @18.1.5    3 weeks ago

They keep voting them in, they get what they deserve and they get no sympathy from me.

 
 
 
MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)
18.1.7  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)  replied to  Sparty On @18.1.6    3 weeks ago

One word... Kwame jrSmiley_86_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
loki12
18.1.8  loki12  replied to  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka) @18.1.7    3 weeks ago

Two words...Marion Berry......Crack addict......Perfect for DC.

 
 
 
Sparty On
18.1.9  Sparty On  replied to  loki12 @18.1.8    3 weeks ago

Four words:

Former Governor Rod Blagojevich.

Hmmmmm .... all Democrats ...... hmmmmm

 
 
 
loki12
18.1.10  loki12  replied to  Sparty On @18.1.9    3 weeks ago

The profile in courage........Ray Nagin, Is he out of prison yet and ready to run for mayor of New Orleans? Question, if face masks will save us all, why not just hand them to the inmates and tell them they are safe now?

 
 
 
Tessylo
18.1.11  Tessylo  replied to  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka) @18.1.7    3 weeks ago

So you have a problem with Baltimore and our elected officials?

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
18.1.12  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  loki12 @18.1.5    2 weeks ago
Are the people who vote for these idiots retarded?

among other things.... yes.

 
 
 
Release The Kraken
19  Release The Kraken    3 weeks ago

Democrat governors and mayors are letting mobs of violent and mentally ill rioters destroy the livelihoods and lives of the people in their states and cities. The intended purpose of government is to protect the rights of it's citizens. They failed and sadly now the federal government is intervening.

Allowing these mobs to torch our livelihood, assault and kill  innocent civilians is unacceptable. Watching cities abandon law enforcement as the officers are beaten and shot and killed is equally unacceptable. These violent riots have led to more deaths in minority communities than the issue they claim to be protesting.

The systematic racism in America is the virtue signaling white politician and the white rioters ignorance.

You asked for the goon squad, and they are coming! You did it!

 
 
 
Sparty On
19.1  Sparty On  replied to  Release The Kraken @19    3 weeks ago
Allowing these mobs to torch our livelihood, assault and kill  innocent civilians is unacceptable.

A better justification for high capacity magazines i have not seen,

 
 
 
Release The Kraken
19.1.1  Release The Kraken  replied to  Sparty On @19.1    3 weeks ago

If these karen's lived in Portland and it was their family member killed in the riot or their business torched, they'd be screaming the federal government isn't doing their jobs.

It's to be expected.....

jrSmiley_122_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Sparty On
19.1.2  Sparty On  replied to  Release The Kraken @19.1.1    3 weeks ago

No doubt but the "karen" moniker.   I wonder where that came from?   I'd never heard before very recently right here. 

Where i'm from we just call them whiny little biatches.

 
 
 
MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)
19.1.4  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)  replied to  Sparty On @19.1.2    3 weeks ago

Oddly enough, my daughter's boyfriend's mom's name is Karen. jrSmiley_86_smiley_image.gif He says she's the Karen that rules all Karens. jrSmiley_86_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Sparty On
19.1.5  Sparty On  replied to  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka) @19.1.3    3 weeks ago

Thx, i'm so square.   I didn't even know what "Meta" was before coming here.   Still not 100% sure how it's defined here.  

The explanations don't always fit the tickets.jrSmiley_9_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)
19.1.6  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)  replied to  Sparty On @19.1.5    3 weeks ago

I just found the article about it funny. Basically a "Karen" is someone that acts as though they're entitled.

 
 
 
MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)
19.1.7  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)  replied to  Sparty On @19.1.5    3 weeks ago

And honestly Sparty, I only know these things because I have two teens and a "tween" living in my house. My husband probably doesn't know any of these things... he has no social media, no email, barely knows how to turn on a computer... his 77 year old mother knows more about computers than he does. He chooses to stay ignorant and it doesn't really bother me any until he wants me to buy things from the internet for him and his dad, but that's pretty rare.

 
 
 
Sparty On
19.1.8  Sparty On  replied to  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka) @19.1.7    3 weeks ago

Lol, my pops will be 90 in August.    He’s proud of the fact that he’s never even touched a computer or smart phone.

I understand ......  me .... I’m a child of the PC.    When I started college there was none.    By the time I graduated there was.    It moved really fast in those years.    It was crazy.

 
 
 
Tessylo
20  Tessylo    3 weeks ago

You've turned JBB's seed into a shithole.

Good job tRumpers!

 
 
 
arkpdx
20.1  arkpdx  replied to  Tessylo @20    3 weeks ago

Nah! It started out that way

 
 
 
MAGA
21.1  MAGA  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @21    2 weeks ago

Bottom line still is that no matter how long the protestors riot there, the federal law enforcement will be there as long at least until Jan 20, 2021 as long as the riots persist.  

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
21.1.1  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  MAGA @21.1    2 weeks ago
the federal law enforcement will be there as long at least until Jan 20, 2021 as long as the riots persist.  

the feds are not leaving at all. - full stop

 
 
 
MAGA
21.1.2  MAGA  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @21.1.1    2 weeks ago

True enough!  Trump is going to win re election so if need be they can stay forever as long as the looting, assaults, arson, vandalism, and rioting continue come what may!  Let them burn their city to the ground and the federal law enforcement will remain protecting the federal buildings 

 
 
 
arkpdx
22  arkpdx    2 weeks ago

There is one demand the protesters made that I can support. They demand that Ted Wheeler's Portland's mayor resignation. I can get behind that. Joann Hardesty, the biggest racist city commissioner and go also. 

 
 
 
MAGA
22.1  MAGA  replied to  arkpdx @22    2 weeks ago

Well said and right on!  

 
 
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