Kenosha 'Vigilante' With Long Gun Arrested, Booked for Homicide
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Kenosha 'Vigilante' With Long Gun Arrested, Booked for Homicide
KENOSHA 'VIGILANTE' SHOOTER ARRESTED ... Booked For Homicide
8/26/2020 10:16 AM PT
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10:15 AM PT -- The "vigilante" shooter in Kenosha who allegedly shot and killed at least a couple people has been captured by cops -- and he's now facing homicide charges.
Kyle Rittenhouse was arrested in Antioch, Illinois. Court records indicate he was booked for first-degree homicide in relation to the Kenosha shooting. It appears he's been assigned a public defender and is set to appear in court for an extradition hearing later this week.
A man -- who witnesses described as being part of a vigilante militia group -- with a long gun brazenly walked down a street in Kenosha, Wisconsin Tuesday night and began firing his weapon at people protesting the police shooting of Jacob Blake , killing 2, and incredibly walking right past a swarm of cops who let him go into the night.
The protest centered around the courthouse and got out of hand, with water bottles, rocks and fireworks aimed at police. The police then fired rubber bullets and tear gas into the crowd, which then dispersed and moved several blocks.
That's when the white vigilante appears on video with his gun. He reportedly had already shot someone several blocks away, and he was being chased by protesters who were trying to subdue him.
The vigilante falls to the ground as he's being chased and then begins unloading his weapon, striking and killing 2 people.
And, then the unthinkable happens. As police swarm the area in patrol cars and fortified vehicles, the vigilante -- gun clearly visible around his chest -- put his hands up in the air. The police vehicles all pass him, as the crowd screams he's the shooter.
It's a stunning contrast ... the white vigilante posed a clear and present danger, even if cops didn't know he was the shooter, yet Jacob Blake, an unarmed black man, was shot in the back 7 times as he tried to get in his car. Jacob is now paralyzed from the waist down.
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I'm sure the protesters were blamed for this scumbag.
Of course they were. It's all Fox and other right wing media sources are playing today. Peaceful protestors show up, then right wing armed militia shoot several of them and the right wing narrative blames the victims for getting in the way of their bullets.
White man with a gun that killed two people...... taken into custody by the police.
Unarmed black man walking away ..... shot in the back seven times by the police.
Anybody not seeing a potential root cause here for the national protests against people of color by the police? Again?
Let's not forget the group reported yesterday -
No one was shot. No one was arrested. No one was charged. No one was black.
Imagine that.....
White man with a gun that killed two people...... taken into custody by the police.
Unarmed black man walking away ..... shot in the back seven times by the police.
White man with a gun that killed two people...... taken into custody by the police.
Unarmed black man walking away ..... shot in the back seven times by the police.
White man with a gun that killed two people...... taken into custody by the police.
Unarmed black man walking away ..... shot in the back seven times by the police.
How many times must this be repeated?
What happened to him was horrendous. It should not happen. We must push for better training for the police forces.
But one question time after time that really bothers me because I don't understand it. If as a black person the possible outcome with interaction with the police comes with a higher risk of being shot, why would the person attempt to walk away? I would think that in more situations if the person follows directions from the police, regardless of how dumb the directions are, wouldn't that lessen the chance of said person being shot? This by no means excuses the actions of the police in shooting this man, but why the hell did he have to ignore the police and walk away and try to get into his car?
I see so now you're blaming the victim for walking away. So that justifies him being shot in the back 7 times? Got it.
It only took the victim blamers four hours.
What took you so long?
Why don't you respond to the actual question rather than just toss out shit? No where in there did I excuse the actions of the police and no where in there did I blame him for what happened. I asked a simple question. If a black man has a higher risk of a negative outcome when dealing with the police why would you not do everything to keep the situation from escalating? This is seen time after time, when a black man is shot by the police there is video showing the black man ignoring the police or trying to get away. Why would you do that when that action raises the possibility of a negative outcome? I was always taught that regardless of how wrong the police officer is you don't argue it at the scene. You argue it in front of the judge after.
Of course you're victim blaming
"If a black man has a higher risk of a negative outcome when dealing with the police why would you not do everything to keep the situation from escalating? This is seen time after time, when a black man is shot by the police there is video showing the black man ignoring the police or trying to get away."
It's up to the cop to not escalate the situation, that didn't happen when he shot this man 7 times in the back.
It's never justified to shoot someone in the back or running away. Gee I wonder why a an unarmed black man would run away from the police?
got it. You don't want to discuss an actual question, you just want to virtue signal. have a nice life, back on ignore you go.
So... because cops shoot Blacks, Blacks must be extra-careful not to anger cops!
Wow....
That's kinda how terrorism works.
Actually, the biggest difference between the black guy and the white kid was that the white kid did what the cops told him to do while the black guy didn't.
There are two other differences...
The White kid killed two people. The Black guy didn't kill anyone.
The White kid suffered no injuries. The Black guy was shot seven times in the back, and is paralyzed.
Any assimilation of the two cases is shameful.
Sorry, but not what I was asking. If a black man has a higher per capita risk of being shot by police during an encounter with the police, why would the black man attempt to walk away or run away or fight back? Listening to the cops and following directions, no matter how stupid or wrong they are, is not the approach to not anger the cops but to reduce the potential of you being shot by the cops. In so many of the video's that we see when police shoot a black man, before the shot there is a fight or an attempt to flee. If you know in advance that an action will raise the possibility of making the outcome worse why would you not try something different?
Blacks make up what, 13% of the US population? so there would be somewhere around 43 million black people in the country. I'm confident that there are many more interactions between black males and police officers than just what we see getting shot, so why do all those others not get shot?
So once again, I'm NOT trying to blame the victim. I'm not saying it's the Black person's fault. All I am asking is if because of your skin color you are at a higher per capita risk of a bad outcome why would not not follow the police officers instructions.
Because... tbe color of one's skin should not be cause for fearing for one's life.
You are validating White terrorism. Probably without realizing it.
... which is in itself a problem...
Because... tbe color of one's skin should not be cause for fearing for one's life.
You are validating White terrorism. Probably without realizing it.
... which is in itself a problem...
yes the color of someone's skin should not be the cause for fearing for your life, but in today's world it can be. I'm looking at the reality of it, not what it should be. and I'm not trying to validate anything, I'm just asking a fucking question. You know, like it used to be where people would ask questions and learn. But in today's world we are not allowed to ask questions, if we are not in lockstep then we are accused of white supremacy.
I'm just asking a fucking question, but if that looks like white supremacy to you and all you want to do is virtual signal then have a nice life
Heck of a difference in points of view!
I cannot imagine your question being "innocent".
You cannot imagine my disgust being straightforward.
Perhaps we both take comfort in our preconceptions...
I see Snuffy's point but I also see yours. Nobody chooses their skin color. In a perfect world people would wake up and just go about their day and not worry if they're going to die at the hands of law enforcment just because they were driving their car.
But people also need to take responsibility for their own safety. I haven't been pulled over in a long time, but I treat cops with respect even if they are acting like asshats. I do what I'm told...but I'm white. I don't really fear being shot by a cop but I don't take any chances.
I hope that doesn't make me a racist or that I'm "virtue signalling" whatever the hell that means
Perhaps a Black could say what Snuffy said... but a White must not. Asking is validation.
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Yes, I was puzzled about that too . . . 'virtue signal' I don't know what it means and I've never looked it up. Don't care. Meaningless.
So now the black guy is paralyzed and the white kid walked right on by the cops with an AR-15 or whatever the fuck it was and NOTHING HAPPENED TO HIM. Got it!
There's absolutely no comparisons. It's deplorable.
You really should review the footage. Man walks from the passenger side of the car around the front with a cop holding a gun on him and kept going. Got to the driver side door, opened it and leaned in. Now while the shots in the back were over and above, what, as a cop would you do? There was no way of knowing what he was leaning into the car to get. Could have been a weapon or not. Another case of fuck that cop I'm gonna do what I wanna do. Sadly he paid for it.............from the waist down paralyzation.
So by your logic.... George Floyd, and Brianna Taylor deserve what they got too?
Part of the job of the police is to work to make sure things don't get to the point where a gun needs to be pulled out of the holster.
I would not shoot the man!
Shoot the tires? Wrestle with him? Dunno.
But I am sure I would not shoot him.
Nope. Not at all. You see, I believe in a case by case analysis of what happens. And I agree with your posit about working things out before they get out of hand but the cop already had the gun drawn. when the guy started to walk. That is akin to (indirectly) running away.......like of few of the circumstances in a couple of what I would call unjustified as they weren't armed even when trying to get away.
Yep, child rapists are known to control themselves. Certainly would never shoot a cop.
Victim blaming. What a surprise. Got what he deserved, right?
Sean, please clarify this comment. As far as I know, the victim in this shooting was not a child rapist.
it’s on his rap sheet.
Correction. He’s just an accused sex offender. The victim doesn’t appear to be underage.
So since he has a rap sheet it was justified that he was shot in the back 7 times?
Got it.
Are you really justifying shooting a suspect seven times in the back?
Seriously?
That attitude is the fundamental problem.
Um, who else are we to blame? The guy didn't follow the cop's orders. The cop didn't make him not obey. I mean, how smart do you need to be to know that doing what he did could get him shot? What was his thought process, anyway? "Hmm. Cop has his gun aimed at me. I'm a black man. Current events lead me to believe that cops are currently shooting black people in job lots. What should I do? Oh! I know! I'll ignore him and do whatever the hell I want to!. That seems reasonable. I'll do that!"
Doesn't seem to have worked out that well.
But of course this could, and has, work out exactly the same for a white person who did the same thing. More than twice the number of unarmed white people were killed by police than black people.
... and the penalty for not obeying a cop is to be shot seven times in the back...
and the non-Hispanic White population is five times the Black...
That appears to be what a lot of people don't seem to get about this. It doesn't matter. Your statement simply is not relevant. Try to get that, will you? The only thing that matters in that situation, in that moment, is to not get shot. How hard can it be to understand that? But no! People have to go all sovereign citizen on the cops at that moment. As if by their will alone they can make things turn out the way they want to.
But even if I weren't talking about how not to get shot by police your statement is still wrong. It's not a penalty. It's cause and effect. But you don't see it that way because people think that an encounter with a police officer on the street is the same as an encounter in the court room. People think they get to try their case right there in the street and they are the judge and jury. Nope. And whether you like it or not, the officer has a right to defend himself. Every moment the perp resisted narrowed the choices of the cop. Every non compliant action pushed the encounter toward the outcome we observed.
Here's an idea. You can find plenty of vids that shows cops getting unexpectedly shot at on YouTube. How about you watch some of them? Then, maybe you might understand what actually happened a little better. It doesn't bother me one bit the guy got shot in the back. That isn't to say I'm happy he got shot. I'm not. I wish he had made different choices and not gotten shot but it doesn't bother me he was shot in the back. It's completely idiotic to think there's some sort of "fair play" rule that applies here. The guy wasn't walking away, he was reaching into his vehicle after repeated failures to comply. It's completely asinine to expect police to wait until some perp is actually pointing a gun at them before they're allowed to defend themselves.
I'm going to give you, and others who think the way you do, some advice. If you find yourself in the same situation, I highly recommend you comply with the police's commands. If you think you're being wronged, fight it in court. You're not going to get shot that way. But if you want to be all sovereign citizen, then blame yourself if you get shot.
And??? Are you suggesting they need to start shooting more white people? Shoot less black people until numbers are even? I mean, you're just stating a fact without any context of how it's relevant. I can do anything with it because there's no context. For instance, I can say, "Therefore, the police likely encounter five times the number of whites in their daily affairs but whites manage to do what is necessary not to get shot. Like comply with police commands, leading us to believe that black people don't comply as often as white people.
You said you didnt want him to be shot and you said it didnt bother you if he was shot, but you didnt say if he had to be shot.
The question in this case is simply, if Blake were a white guy who disregarded the cops and went around to the driver side and started to lean into the car as if looking for something, would the cop have shot him in the back?
Thats the question. Or would the cop have thought "he has something he wants to show us, maybe a newspaper clipping or a note his wife wrote him". Of course we don't know, and we'll never know because the court case won't make such speculations.
As long as there are racist cops, and there are MANY in this country. MANY. these questions will be asked and unanswered.
Drakk,
Your point is kind of strange. It is against all police policy to shoot a person in the back. End of story. Yes being a police officer is a dangerous job, but it is one they chose to do, so your point about them getting shot at is moot. And listening to a police officer is always the better choice if you want to come out OK. But it is NEVER OK to shoot someone in the back, much less 7 times.
He's Black! Don't bother with "necessary force" or any of that crap. Just blow him away.
He's Black. Nobody gives a shit.
He shot his victim in the back. That cannot be self-defense.
I'm White. I'm well over seventy, and no cop has ever hassled me. Cops don't hassle Whites. And therefore... cops don't shoot Whites seven times in the back.
This event is racist. And perhaps more importantly, refusal to recognize the fact is equally racist.
That is the problem.
I would prefer no one ever got shot, but since he was shot, where doesn't really matter to me given the situation. Whether he had to be shot is pointless speculation. The guy refused to obey commands. He reached into his vehicle. Who knows what he was going for? It could have been avoided by simply obeying the commands of the cops.
I don't know. Would he? If you think you have an answer you're going to need a lot of proof to back it up.
Or it could have been a bazooka. The only way to be sure would be for the police not to do anything at all until someone actually points a gun at a cop and pulls the trigger. Is that what you advocate? That in the seconds a cop has to make a decision, he should always say "I guess I'll just wait and see what happens.?"
You seem to know how many racist cops we have. How did you get that information? Is there like some sort of questionnaire cops fill out so we know how many of them are racist? Is it part of the census? What are the qualifications? Are the racist cops all white? What does it take to be a racist cop? Is just pulling over a non-white person enough to be a racist cop?
Do you think there is a record of a large number of cops making racist statement about white people?
I dont think so either.
There are cases of large numbers of cops making racist statements on social media about blacks.
Plus I know some cops because I live in ( or more accurately, adjacent to) a neighborhood where there are many hundreds of them , if not thousands, due to city residency requirements. (I live as far to the southwest you can be and still be in the city of Chicago, and tons of cops live around here.) I know a bunch of cops , have talked to them, have good friends and relatives who are cops and imo there are way too many racist cops.
I wasn't arguing about police policy. I stated that I didn't have a problem with it.
In what way? Are you saying that they get paid, that it's part of their duty to get shot at?
I disagree. I can think of a lot of scenarios where it's preferable to shoot someone in the back. Much safer.
Well, you're welcome to your opinion. Mine's different.
I'd say this is a perfect example of the self-centeredness of the left. Because you are white and have never been hassled by the cops it is evident that cops don't hassle any whites. "I've never been hassled, I'm white, therefore cops don't hassle whites." That's an amazing argument. Unfortunately for you, YouTube can readily disavow you of this notion if you bothered to look.
Maybe. Maybe not. Haven't looked that deep into it. But again, great reasoning. Simply declare something racist and use it as evidence that if anyone disagrees they must also be racist. Nice.
The only way to not follow my reasoning... and my outrage... is to deny that the shooting of Jacob Blake was racist.
You are defined by your decision.
Prominent civil rights attorney Benjamin Crump, who is representing Blake's family, said his client was attempting to de-escalate a domestic incident when police drew their pistols and stun guns on him. Crump said Blake was walking away to check on his children when police shot him.
During the investigation following the initial incident, Blake "admitted that he had a knife in his possession," according to the statement. Investigators recovered a knife from the driver's side floorboard of Blake's vehicle. No additional weapons were found, according to the statement.
You find it amusing that this young man was shot 7 times in the back in front of his three children.
Just where did I say it was amusing? He reached into the car with no fucking explanation as to what he was doing........and in that situation, I don't know that, bing the cop, I would let him open the door to do that.
He was not taken into custody, the pos turned himself in the next day.
So many instances of outside agitators doing the actual 'rioting'. And beating. And shooting. And killing.
Of course, Marxist and those that hate America will go anyplace where there are protest to riot, burn, shot, beat, kill, and loot with impunity.
Sounds like Donald Trump, right wing media, and the Republican National Committee got inside your head.
There were two shootings.
A cop shot a Black man.
A White "militia" kid shot three Black men - killed two of them.
... but who cares about Black people getting shot? Who gives a fuck?
... Let's talk about "property"!
Property Matters!
Black Lives DO NOT Matter!
So this punk, armed with a rifle, shoots protesters and walks away. Sounds about right.
Only ultra-right talk radio has a different scenario. They believe that the shooter was antifa or BLM. I wonder if any of them will back track on this when they find out this young punk was a member of a militia
Of course not, they will just double down.
The TMZ video shows a later video of people jumping him as he walks away from the shooting that happened prior.
The video I would like to see is the one the guy following and videoing him took in front of the auto service center. You can see the guy around the 4:00 minute mark in the above link.
Regardless, this shit is and has been out of hand.
Why the hell didn't this little Rambo wanna-be just join the Army or something?
Probably the same reason BLM and Anti-fa members don't join the police academy to affect change in that which they disdain.
In the Army, I have heard from reliable sources, the people you shoot at also have guns.
Much less risky to shoot at people armed with water bottles and rocks.
I don't see how they could be successful in a police department unless they agreed to use excessive force against their friends and neighbors.
It might be better for them to become lawyers and simply drain city funds through lawsuits.
Same rumor I've heard too, but don't quote me at that....../s
I'm going to defend Jim here because I do think he has a point.
The thing is we need a better class of person to attend police academies and try to change the system from within. Maybe they need to do extensive psych evals before admittance. And then continue with the evals throughout training and periodically while on the job. I think police work is stressful but if you're starting out with a person who is just around the bend from kneeling on some guy's neck, that stress is going to get to him sooner or later.
And then there's the wannabe warriors. They ain't got the guts to join the military so they join police forces because they think they're tough and they want to carry weapons.
Who knows? I think this is most certainly an example of what not to do.
I've looked at a few videos that have been posted. There is so much that is going on. The two videos that give the best view show:
1. Something happens that gets his attention, prompting him to run across the lot (unfortunately, both videos begin right at the moment he turns to run. I highly doubt that's where they actually start; rather, that's the spot the poster decided to edit.) I'd lie to see video showing at least 10 seconds prior. Damn sure would like to see the guy's that is following behind him and the guy that gets shot. Hopefully, the police have that.
2. Shots are fired before he makes it through the parking lot, while his gun is still down. Sounds like handgun to me, but the first shots do not appear to have been fired by him. Can't see what's going on on the other side of the cars.
3. while running through the parking lot, someone tries to hit him with a molotov cocktail? To me, that's just one of the things that make this scene even more wild. Literally 1 maybe 2 seconds goes by between the time he turns to run through the parking lot, and the time the fire bomb is thrown. That's damn quick on the draw for the guy that threw it.
4. The guy that got shot in the head is chasing him, and appears to catch him near the rear of the vehicle. Tough to tell in the video, but he does appear to have turned, or at least turned the gun, toward the guy, and you can hear shots fired at that moment.
5. He runs around the vehicle, circling back to where the guy is laying down. While behind the car, more shots are fired. Can't tell if it's him or not.
6. He assess the situation, makes a call, and hauls ass.
7. The last guy he shot, while in the middle of the road, had a handgun. (note...don't run up on someone...if you can't hit the target from 10 yards with a handgun, I'd suggest a shotgun, if not... run the other damn direction) I don't know if that guy intended on shooting him, but I know that he had gun in hand, and he ran in point blank. After getting shot in the arm, he goes to the side of the road, still clutching the gun.
He's been dubbed a vigilante. I say he's most certainly a dumbass, as is any other person that shows up at these things armed. I'm not going to defend anyone's actions. The striking thing is that there is so much damn chaos, shots are fired, and people are still just strolling down the road...business as usual. Screw that.
As for the police driving by him...kind of confused by that. He seems to be offering himself. Carrying a gun. Shots have been fired, and I assume the cops are headed that direction because of that. I'd think they'd stop everyone clearly carrying.
The key interaction is going to be between the shooter and the first victim in the parking lot. What happened there and did the victim threaten the shooter before chasing him? Because if the first shooting was self defense, then the second one was clearly was where a Molotov cocktail was thrown at him and he was attacked with a skateboard. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be video of the initial confrontation.
I think there is video. Hell, there are several angles of the initial shooting in the parking lot. I've seen one that starts before he takes off through the parking lot, but it is the worst angle of the bunch. There are a couple that clearly show where he was prior to running, but they are edited to begin at the moment he takes off running. The intriguing one, to me, is the one the guy that follows him is taking. Haven't seen that one. That guy looks to be 10-15 yards behind the action, with the best view.
Why the hell would BLM members join the place which they are protesting against? Unarmed black men, women, and children being shot dead for being black?
And anti-fa never killed anyone.
Notice they are quiet when it comes to black men, women and children that are shot BY BLACKS.
Those pansies usually run at the first sign of an engagement with more than unsuspecting victims. They sound like somebody else I've fought...The Taliban, ISIS and al Queda.
“Notice they are quiet when it comes to black men, women and children that are shot BY BLACKS.”
i’ve noticed that too but to be critical of those actions one would have to be critical of blacks and we just can’t have that can we, unless they are trump supporters. Apparently not all black lives matter.
OK, you want to have that discussion. Let's. Is it racist when a black person shoots a black person or is it criminal activity? Are all blacks involved in criminal activity, or just a small percentage that makes life horrible for the rest of blacks?
So what is there to discuss, other than how to get it under control.
Sure they do. So you have to deal with the criminal element in these densely populated areas.
Post an article about it then and stop deflecting.
Whites tend to kill whites.
Blacks tend to kill blacks.
I don't have time to look for the statistics right now, I'm going to bed shortly.
Gang violence if you're referring to blacks here, is a whole other topic entirely also. There are also white gangs. Hispanic gangs.
This is an entirely different matter than what this seed is about.
I'm sick of deflecting and off topic.
Brag about your service on another article.
What a steaming load of shit there Sean.
There is no self-defense involved here.
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Do you see no difference between random violence and a cop shooting a suspect... seven times... in the back??
It's all the same, for you?
You're right. Take the pussy way out and protest and burn and loot. It's so much easier than having to go through the training and getting first hand knowledge of what LEO's go through daily to have a better understanding of why things go in the shitter sometimes.
Change is better made from within than just observing and yelling with no underlying experience.
So... this cop was trained to shoot suspects in the back... seven times...??
One of the worse gangs in the world is the Chinese Triad. They make the MS 13 look like amateurs.
I looked at this video a few times . It is hard to see what happens with any degree of certainty because 1. they run behind vehicles, and 2. the video gets shaky.
What we do see is Rittenhouse running toward some activity that he decided he wanted to respond to , with individual action on his part. Didnt have anybody with him, no sign of any co-ordination, he just ran in there like he thinks he is Superman, with a gun instead of superpowers. Totally insane, but he is a kid. Almost certainly never gave true thought to the likelihood he was involving himself in life or death situations.
Insanity.
He had no right to be there, no legal right no moral right. These situations are why we have police and National Guard. The police chief of Kenosha said he did not want armed vigilantes on his streets.
What in fuck was that 17 year old kid doing there?
The video doesnt show he is innocent, not even close. It doesnt show who shot first or even who shot at all.
People who were there as eyewitnesses say the 17 year old shot a guy. That guy was shot in the head and later died.
Twitter has a lot of defenders of him, and I have seen the videos and I have no idea why people think he is defensible. HE ran into a situation where he ended up killing someone, AND HE HAD NO AUTHORITY TO BE THERE !!!
You may want to watch this and listen to the gunfire after he shoots after falling to the ground. A plethora of other gun shots can be heard. If he shot someone previous, the fucking idiots chasing him down did NO ONE any favors. One more life may have been spared had they not approached when he fell.
That aside, the kid needs serious jail time for the first shooting.............unless some other video comes out showing the first victim shooting circumstances
As far as no authority to be there, neither did anyone else. They are ALL a bunch of morons.
His fate may well hinge on whether or not he had a legal right to be carrying that gun. I read that he didnt because he is 17, and if he didnt have a legal right he was breaking the law and you can't have self-defense when you are breaking the law.
He had shot someone in the head in a parking lot right before he ran down the middle of the street. It is not surprising people followed him they wanted to keep him from getting away.
I do agree that others there should be in legal trouble too related to guns , on both sides.
I forgot to mention Chinese gangs, Japanese gangs, Russian gangs . . .
I've seen morons defending this scumbag everywhere. Facebook, you name it. Saying it was self-defense. Bullshit.
I'm sure as he rots his young life away in prison he will be comforted by the knowledge that you support him.
Actually, I think he had the same right to be there as every other person, both legally and morally. No different than the guy that he shot in the arm, who was apparently running up on him to fire some of his own shots. Rittenhouse beat him to it though.
There is more information coming out by the second on this deal. I've seen reports suggesting the guy that had the pistol, and got shot in the arm, was a felon. I'd assume he has no legal or moral right to be there either, if that is one's position for Rittenhouse.
The child molester that threw the molotov cocktail, chased Rittenhouse down in the parking lot, and gets shot...I'm not certain he wouldn't be considered the aggressor. Pretty certain a person would be justified in believing someone was intending on killing you if they'd just thrown a molotov cocktail at you, then chased you down.
I still think going to one of these things, and displaying your firearm, is asking for an escalation. I'm not going to sit here and claim that everyone there is a saint though. Looks like a bunch of morons on both sides to me.
As an aside, there are better videos on youtube. Takes a little sifting, but you can find them. Still haven't seen the one taken by the guy standing right behind the action. In several of the videos, you can hear shots being fired when Rittenhouse is clearly not firing his weapon.
Again, this is one giant clusterfuck, and I don't see the benefit of any of it.
So this little scumbag came from Illinois to Wisconsin, why?
Still claiming self-defense huh?
For Christs' sake.
Where did you hear all this nonsense about a child molester and a felon?
How would this psycho and his psycho mom know that?
So if a person does his time, he still deserves to die?
Personally, I'm against child sex offenders out of prison, ever, but I don't write the laws.
Ummmmm read the link above in 5.1.26. You'll be glad you did.
Maybe so, but he still charged at them and had no business even being there. The police there have to take some responsibility for this. The police chief said there was supposed to be no armed vigilantes on the street but obviously some of the front line cops didnt make them leave. You had protesters wandering around, you had armed vigilantes wandering around. Its probably lucky more people werent killed.
Yep as a matter of fact there was this little tidbit.............
"The Illinois resident, an aspiring cop who considered himself a militia member, was seen on video casually carrying his rifle in front of heavily armed police in Kenosha the night before."
If they weren't supposed to allow it, they fell down.
Its actually not that surprising that he came from Illinois. It's all one area that just happens to have an invisible border running through it. The kid had a number of traffic tickets from Kenosha, so he's been there many times. Believe it or not, Kenosha is actually considered part of the Chicago area, as is Antioch where the kid lives.
They wouldn't know it at the time, and these are just facts that supply depth to the scene.
Let me ask you Tessy. Would you be in fear for your life or safety if Rosenbaum threw a molotov cocktail at you?
His past record has nothing to do with whether or not Rittenhouse was justified.
Perhaps not for the first person he shot but perhaps............
later...............It's all bullshit.........all of it
I seen that the Democrats have another pedophile to celebrate. Then they have a felon with a firearm to celebrate who from now on will be called lefty. I'm willing to bet that once all the footage is reviewed young Kyle will be exonerated for defending himself from these left wing agitators. I mean did you see what he did? He was caught on camera cleaning graffiti and protecting a business and the leftwing morons think this is bad.
That's after the scumbag Kyle shot someone in the head. They were trying to stop him from killing someone else.
Prove it
Where is proof that a molotov cocktail was thrown at him.
You've all made this scumbag out to be a hero.
Unfuckingbelievable.
Yes all you and those defending this scumbag is bullshit . . . all of it. . . . .
No. Just like it's not racist when a white or hispanic shoots a black.
That is a stupid question and you know it. Not to mention race baiting. I expected better from you. You know as well as I do that it's a percentage. Just like it's a percentage of whites, Hispanics, middle eastern, European, and Asians that commit crimes.
Already have many about that on NT. And exactly what you THINK I'm deflecting from?
I'm going to disagree. When there is an interracial shooting we don't know what the motivation was. Please note the word interracial.
No, that is called a rhetorical question. And I don't race-bait so save the scolding.
Yes, that was the very point I wanted to make. The majority of people are decent hard-working people and the few make is horrible for the rest. I was responding to your comment:
Who is quiet? Not the people who suffer from this and I am not counting on Antifa to speak for a population they have no contact with. I on the other hand spent over 20 years of my life in Brownsville, Brooklyn teaching and I have seen this all first hand, so I know the truth.
This kid had a gun... and shot someone.
Others were a bit upset by that shooting, and became aggressive toward the kid.
This is very strange, because as we all know, it is perfectly acceptable to shoot Black people. Shooting Black people is not justification for anger.
Frightened by this totally unjustified anger boiling around him, the kid very naturally did what any good "militia" would do: he shot some more people.
Well of course he did!
All this trouble is clearly due to the overreaction of these... people.
If they had just accepted the fact that in America, White people are allowed to shoot Black people, we wouldn't have all this destruction of property!
It is their fault!
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I did actually see the little turd killer cleaning graffiti after whatshisnames' post.
It makes no difference though.
He's still a killer.
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So.... Amid all the lamentations about antifa, who have never killed anyone, we have yet another murder by right-wing terrorism.
Where did you pull right-wing terrorism from..................More like delusional moron
Kyle Rittenhouse, the 17-year-old charged with shooting three people — two of them fatally — during a Kenosha protest Tuesday evening, thought of himself as a militia member trying to protect life and property , according to videos , interviews and social media posts.
Video shot in the hours before the shooting shows Rittenhouse hanging out with older armed men, who tell the reporter they're protecting a car lot. Rittenhouse then introduces himself as Kyle.
He also did a video i nterview with the Daily Caller in front of a boarded up building.
"People are getting injured and our job is to protect this business," Rittenhouse says in the clip. "And my job also is to protect people . If someone is hurt, I’m running into harm’s way. That’s why I have my rifle; I’ve gotta protect myself obviously. But I also have my med kit."
White-supremacist militia...
Oh my fucking God....
The boy wasn't even from Wisconsin
Evidently the "militia" called in some members from where ever and 17?? Little prick was still wet behind the ears. SMH Should have been remote schooling instead of going all over the countryside looking for his John Wayne/Dirty Harry moment. Bet his parents are proud......or not.
We actually agree that he's a little prick and should be home learning something to be a productive member of society.
Now he's gonna get married in prison and will have a "fine" job in the laundry washing other people's drawers
Good one
Must be pretty dense..... Had he joined the military he could have learned all that and still been allowed to carry a piece. For more money too.
Screwed up his entire life before it even go started.
And here is another dipshit. I drive under that bridge every M-F at around 6:20 and I saw these people the other day. Of course I honked (I know you aren't surprised LOL)
Thank-you
I blame his parents.
I wonder who convinced this young man that it was morally right to kill someone for vandalizing a car?
I wonder who convinced this young man that it was morally right to kill someone for breaking a window?
Oh - I know now - perhaps it was the behavior of the local police.
He would not even made it through BCT in the Army.
Try again.
How quickly people forget.
I stand corrected... a teeny-tiny bit.
Betts is clearly a left-wing murderer... but I see nothing more than suppositions about antifa.
OTOH, antifa is by nature "disorganized". There's no such thing as a "card-carrying member". So perhaps Betts had some connections that no one has found.
Hmmmm....didn't hear that much out of you about that guy that shot up a Texas Walmart...and he was clearly a trmp supporter
I thought Conner Betts was Antifa?
Why did you think that? I did a little searching, but found nothing. Betts is undoubtedly a leftist terrorist, but that doesn't automatically signify "antifa". On the contrary: antifa has been careful to calibrate its violence - broken bones at most. So if there's a killing, the presumption must be that it's not antifa, in the absence of proof.
I thought I remembered hearing that.
Do you understand "supported" and "was a member of" to be synonyms?
A quick search shows no links between SRA and antifa.
Is there a national registry of antifa members, state registry? If so, do you have a link so we can all check it out to confirm or deny? What does it take for a person to become an official member of antifa?
There is no official anti-fa movement.
You should let them know..
I'm not going to waste my time searching what is obviously a fake site. Spoofing antifa is easy and gogos fall for it instantly.
Here's an example found after thirty seconds searching:
Google it.
Right, so whether or not a person is Antifa is arbitrary as hell.
Oh FFS enough with the anti-fa bullshit.
They're not inciting like the right wing agitators.
Yes. What does that mean for you?
Your post indicates a lot of faith in a supposedly unorganized group of people with no hierarchy or structure to limit the behavior of their non-members.
Going to your comment that Betts was merely a "supporter." If there is no official movement, no official enrollment process, no official registry, then there are no members, so "supported" and "was a member of" can damn sure be synonymous, because the line between the two apparently does not exist.
As the victim blaming continues - this scumbag is a tRump supporter
Anyone surprised to learn the #Kenosha shooting suspect sat in the FRONT ROW of a #TrumpRally in January?
Well shit Tessy, ya beat me to it.
His mama is also a pistol packing psycho bitch. I agree with TG, I blame the parents, especially the mother. I don't know if there is even a father in the picture.
These "militia" are bound to kill somebody. That's why they have trained so extensively.
Right?
That's the only reason he went there. He wanted to kill somebody.
I am going to state the obvious and I know some will not agree.
I do not think a 17 yr old (or under age) should be allowed to walk around on public streets with weapons like that.
It is legal in Wisconsin. Age 14 and up can open carry and go hunting without adult supervision under the law.
But it is obvious that he was not mature enough to manage the responsibility of wielding a gun. He really had no business bringing a gun into a riot as he was not ready to be responsible for his actions. And now he will have to face the consequences of his actions and they will impact the rest of his life.
This is part of gun control that I could get behind, better training. I'm a firm believer that life skills should be a mandatory class starting in kindergarten and be taught every year. And part of the class should be gun training and safety. Age appropriate of course but they should be taught gun safety each year as repetition is the best hope to actually getting information into a teenage brain.
I understand hunting yet that is not the same as a kid walking around in crowded, if not heated areas.
Walking in the woods has obvious differences than walking down town.
I have long been an advocate of learning how to handle a gun. I get sick of idiots that don't even know how to hold one and then they just throw one in the hands of a kid and let them basically try to learn themselves.
Lets just say, I don't remember watching Mayberry and seeing people walk around town with a rifle strung over their shoulder.
I think the psycho kids' mother taught him all he needs to know. She drove him there. They need to throw the book at her and her psycho kid.
Why the age limit?
This was obviously an explosive context. No guns should be present.
True. I was just talking in general terms. I don't think it should be allowed by minors anytime.
Here, a 17 yo can't even legally own a firearm.
The kid was with adults. Don't they have any responsibility?
And laws vary by state , always have .
until recently most states followed the fed guidelines of 18 to purchase shotguns and rifles , and 21 to buy handguns , and many states also had provisions for possession by people under the legal ages for purchase , just because one could not buy one on their own , did not preclude they could not be in possession of one .
good example was when i grew up in Mass. i started competition handgun shooting at 17 , just as i was turning 18 , at the local club , too young to buy a handgun , but after getting all the documentation in line proving i was in fact a member of the club in current and good standing , that i was enrolled in the clubs competitions was allowed to be in possession of a handgun with the permit as long as i was going too or coming from a competition or practice.
one cannot conflate the age of legal purchase with age of legal possession , most states also allow minors as young as 14 years old possession of firearms during their hunting seasons.
Most of them won't take responsibility for their own kids much less for one that isn't theirs.
So what?
well RTB , some states have seasons that go throughout the year , and it is already well defined , even on a state by state basis dependent on what is hunted and i highly doubt any other state is going to influence another states setting of hunting seasons within their own state borders. so good luck with that aspect.
As for "militias , that as well is usually very well covered by state statutes , now what state law enforceement does to enforce those statutes is a different discussion . And i can only discuss what the laws here are where i live . this much i can say is there is no "Militia " problem in Wyoming , because they without specific permission of the gov. , are illegal, It is even illegal to "claim" to be a member of one within the state.
State laws here have provisions for 2 militias , the NG a shared commitment with the federal government, and a seperate state guard that is solely the responsability of the state government and can only be authorized for formation , by the legislature or gov. at that point after authorization , they are not illegal.
main reason here you never hear of a state guard is the same people eligible for use by the NG are pretty much the same pool that a state guard would draw from , only exception is actually how old a person can be to be called by the state to serve in either , the NG is 45 for recruits , and the SG can call anyone up to the age of 72 for state service if needed.
it behooves people to actually look into their own state laws regarding militias , what the states laws say the state CAN do even under conscription, and even what the common everyday person can do on their own . because each state is different and some have provisions to have more than one and some only have the shared one of the NG. with the feds . and each state can call them something other than guard or militia.
In any event is always a good idea to know how long any state can conscript oneself into forced service if the need ever arises , not that it ever will. ( but this IS 2020 after all and we are only coming up on the 9th level of Jumanjii).
Point being every state has different laws , and since this "kid" ( will be charged as an adult as should be IMHO) also crossed state lines , he is likely looking at federal charges as well, we will have to wait and see how everything fleshes out , with what actual charges are and what jurisdictions will take the leads this one will be put under a microscope , and wont be rushed I think. .
And i wont rule out him being charged in multiple jurisdictions , just not for the same things, like in Ill. as well as in Wis , and federally.
does that make sense?
Yes it does. I agree.
Ender, I'll agree with you here. I've got an extremely responsible son, and I wouldn't let him walk around with a gun under normal circumstances. Damn sure would not cross my mind to allow that to happen during these protests. Look, I appreciate a person's ability to express freedoms, but I think walking around in tactical gear, during a riot, and confronting protestors is bad decision making 101.
Yeah, my Niece and Nephew learned how to handle guns and have been hunting from a young age. If at anytime they didn't take it seriously, the privilege would have been taken away. It was pressed into them early on that it was no joke. They even had their own hunting rifles that my BIL kept in his possession until they came of age. Would have never let them walk around town with them.
Imo that is just looking for confrontation.
hell my estranged son is 28 , married and adopted 3 kids , and i wouldnt trust him with a watermelon and a sledgehammer let alone with a firearm.....