Which Is Which ? Trump's Health

  

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By:  john-russell  •  4 weeks ago  •  121 comments

Which Is Which ?   Trump's Health

Option # 1 

White House physician says he's 'extremely happy' with President Trump's progress in health briefing

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Option# 2

A source familiar with the president’s health tells the White House press pool: “The president’s vitals over the last 24 hours were very concerning and the next 48 hours will be critical in terms of his care. We’re still not on a clear path to a full recovery.”

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JohnRussell
1  author  JohnRussell    4 weeks ago

Well at least they are consistent.  This administration has been talking out of both sides of their mouth for 4 years. 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
1.1  Ozzwald  replied to  JohnRussell @1    4 weeks ago
Well at least they are consistent.  This administration has been talking out of both sides of their mouth for 4 years. 

White house physicians have a history of truthfulness however.  Not a good history under this administration.

A tall tale? Accuracy of Trump's medical report – and new height – questioned

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2  author  JohnRussell    4 weeks ago

Dr. Conley was deceptive about whether Trump had been given oxygen. He tried to play word games about it. Eventually they conceded that he had received oxygen treatment on Friday. 

 
 
 
Gordy327
2.1  Gordy327  replied to  JohnRussell @2    4 weeks ago
Eventually they conceded that he had received oxygen treatment on Friday. 

I would be more interested in how much oxygen and the method of administration. That would be a better indicator of his condition.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
3  Bob Nelson    4 weeks ago

Taking liberties with the truth, concerning a President's health, is a long-standing tradition, even with normal, roughly truthful administrations. So what can we expect from an abnormal, always untruthful administration?

Of course they lie. It's automatic. Even when it brings no advantage. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Bob Nelson @3    4 weeks ago

I agree that past presidents have had doctors that were sparse with the medical information. 

But even allowing that, today's events were a little odd. 

Minutes after Trump's doctor made the rosy assessment , the WH press pool received a communication from an anonymous source on Trump's medical team indicating that the picture was less bright than had been conveyed.  

 
 
 
devangelical
3.1.1  devangelical  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1    4 weeks ago
Trump's doctor made the rosy assessment

since all communication from the trump administration is bullshit, I see it as positive news.

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
3.1.2  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1    4 weeks ago
Minutes after Trump's doctor made the rosy assessment , the WH press pool received a communication from an anonymous source on Trump's medical team indicating that the picture was less bright than had been conveyed.

How about an impromptu poll?  Which message better helps Trump's re-election campaign?  Also, which message do you think Trump would think benefits his re-election campaign more?

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
3.1.3  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @3.1.2    4 weeks ago

Never mind.  It was reported that Chief of Staff Mark Meadows released the statement.  

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
3.1.4  Bob Nelson  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @3.1.3    4 weeks ago

Was he wearing a mask? 

 
 
 
sixpick
3.1.5  sixpick  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1    4 weeks ago

You know you're preaching to the choir.  I wish everyone could see right through all this propaganda like many of us can.  And it's so easy, it really doesn't speak very well for those who claim superiority over others.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
4  Greg Jones    4 weeks ago

I believe the hospital docs, who say he's doing well.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
4.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  Greg Jones @4    4 weeks ago

Why? 

 
 
 
CB
5  CB     4 weeks ago

https://democrats.org/contact-us/

Do: Contact the DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE (202) 863-8000 (listed on web) and the Biden Campaign and tell Joe not to disarm in the face of a man wielding a political weapon! Be smart. Run your ads with discretion, but intent as well!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
5.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  CB @5    4 weeks ago
Matthew Dowd
@matthewjdowd
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The reason why the Trump campaign is not pulling its negative ads, as the Biden campaign already did earlier, is because they lack any kind of grace and dignity, and have nothing to say except negative nasty usually non-factual things.
 
 
 
Suz
5.1.1  Suz  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1    4 weeks ago

That could be his (Trump) downfall. 

 
 
 
CB
5.1.2  CB   replied to  JohnRussell @5.1    4 weeks ago

Mitch McConnell is still proceeding with the Scotus nomination process without suspension. They have not disarmed. They have not demonstrated mercy. Biden needs to keep the pressure up! Call, leave messages! Now!

 
 
 
Texan1211
5.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  CB @5.1.2    4 weeks ago

no need to suspend the SCOTUS nomination process. and nothing to do with any "mercy"

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
5.1.4  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1    4 weeks ago

I was wondering about that. Matching Biden's move would have been a sign of dignity and integrity - but obviously the Trump campaign will stay the dishonourable course.  Surely, SURELY, the American voters are smart enough to do the right thing.

 
 
 
Texan1211
5.1.5  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1    4 weeks ago

Just curious as to why the sainted Biden had negative ads to begin with if he is "taking the high road"?

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
5.1.6  Bob Nelson  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.5    4 weeks ago

You're flailing, Tex. 

Isn't it time to consider abandoning a sinking ship? 

 
 
 
Texan1211
5.1.7  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @5.1.6    4 weeks ago

I am sincerely sorry the question was just a little too tough for you.

It is always okay to not know an answer, but no need to attack me because you don't know.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
5.1.8  Bob Nelson  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.7    4 weeks ago

Definitely past time... 

 
 
 
Texan1211
5.1.9  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @5.1.8    4 weeks ago

I will try to ask easier questions in the future.

Hope that helps...............

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
5.1.10  Bob Nelson  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.9    4 weeks ago

Flailing... flailing... flailing... 

 
 
 
Texan1211
5.1.11  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @5.1.10    4 weeks ago

evading, evading, evading.

 
 
 
Tacos!
6  Tacos!    4 weeks ago

So I guess all the internet and cable news doctors are going to be trying to find some kind of coverup or present themselves as better doctors than the people who are actually taking care of him. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
6.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  Tacos! @6    4 weeks ago

Well... Tbe ones who are taking care of him are clearly incompetent. 

They aren't giving him hydroxychloroquine. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
6.1.1  Tacos!  replied to  Bob Nelson @6.1    4 weeks ago

Dr. McCoy has a pill that regrows your kidney. They should call him.

 
 
 
Ender
6.1.2  Ender  replied to  Tacos! @6.1.1    4 weeks ago

Wouldn't that be nice.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
7  author  JohnRussell    4 weeks ago
A source familiar with the president’s health tells the White House press pool: “The president’s vitals over the last 24 hours were very concerning and the next 48 hours will be critical in terms of his care. We’re still not on a clear path to a full recovery.”

That is not from an "internet doctor". It is something that was sent to the White House press pool. 


According to a tweet from Sara Cook — a producer at CBS — and David Begnaud of CBS NewsRadio, a White House source said the president had a rough 24 hours and the next 48 hours of his treatment for the COVID-190 virus are critical.
Cook's tweet states, "BREAKING: 'The president's vitals over the last 24 hours were very concerning and the next 48 hours will be critical in terms of his care. We're still not on a clear path to a full recovery.' –A source familiar with the President's health, to pool reporters."

Begnaud added, "White House press pool was just told: 'The president's vitals over the last 24hrs were very concerning and the next 48hrs will be critical in terms of his care. We're still not on a clear path to a full recovery' •That's a bleaker picture than Trumps Dr. just painted."

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-vitals-over-last-24-175544703.html
 
 
 
Tacos!
7.1  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @7    4 weeks ago
That is not from an "internet doctor".

In truth, you don't know where it's from at all. It could be from the guy who services the candy machine, for all you know.

A source familiar with the president’s health

And anyway, so what?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
7.1.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Tacos! @7.1    4 weeks ago

well if you want to call the White House press pool liars, I guess the statement could have come from North Korea or Pluto. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
7.1.2  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.1    4 weeks ago
well if you want to call the White House press pool liars

I don't need to call them liars. According to your quote, there is no claim that the source was a doctor treating the president. I bet it was the guy who parks the cars.

Why are you defensive about it? What do you think is happening? If you had what you thought was the "true information" about Trump, what would you do with that information?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
7.1.3  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Tacos! @7.1.2    4 weeks ago

I am not defensive. There is very little on internet forums that I am defensive about. 

Why dont they just tell the truth about Trump's condition?  He was given oxygen at the White House yesterday before he went to the hospital. The doctor today was deceptive about it. Why?  One reason could be Trump's ego.  He wants everyone to think he is Superman. 

 
 
 
Ender
7.1.4  Ender  replied to  Tacos! @7.1.2    4 weeks ago

I think it should be prudent that the people know what is going on instead of all the secrecy.

Some of the comments seem to be coming from Meadows.

I don't get why his 'private' doctor is giving any conference or updates and not the hospital staff.

I for one do not appreciate that even during a time like this, they lie about it all.

From the timeline on him testing positive to him having fever to him being administered oxygen while at the WH...

They would not have any controversy if they would just come out and say exactly what is going on.

 
 
 
Tacos!
7.1.5  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.3    4 weeks ago
Why dont they just tell the truth about Trump's condition? 

What truth? The whole truth? Or just the truth about the stuff he wants to share? Does the president have no right to privacy?

He was given oxygen at the White House yesterday before he went to the hospital. 

If that's true and known, then there is no need to ask, is there?

The doctor today was deceptive about it.

Maybe because he knows how the press needlessly splits hairs to create a scandal.

He wants everyone to think he is Superman.

So? Let him be that way. Biden wants everyone to think he's just as fit and full of vitality as ever and that's probably not true either.

My point is that speculating about all this serves nothing. He will either recover or he won't. He can either do the job or he can't, in which case, we have a VP. Trying to scandalize a presser with doctors - especially this early on - is just trying to create a problem.

The only reason I can think that anyone would be this concerned about details would be if they were looking to remove him from office because he is so critically ill. But I hope that's not true, because that's kind of a shitty reaction, especially two days into this.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
7.1.6  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Tacos! @7.1.5    4 weeks ago

I think when a president spends six months minimizing a disease and then gets it himself because he didnt observe precautions its a news story. 

maybe you dont like the news. on NEWStalkers. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
7.1.7  Tacos!  replied to  Ender @7.1.4    4 weeks ago
I think it should be prudent that the people know what is going on instead of all the secrecy.

What secrecy? You know he has Covid. You know where he's being treated. You have a lot of information about what they are doing for him and how he is doing? What more do you need? What would you do with more information?

I don't get why his 'private' doctor is giving any conference or updates and not the hospital staff.

I saw some of the presser and multiple doctors spoke about his treatment.

to him being administered oxygen while at the WH

I don't think anybody asked the doctors about treatment at the White House. Maybe that was the line his doctor was trying to stay on one side of - i.e. he was just talking about treatment at the hospital. He did eventually get out that he had not been given oxygen on Thursday, Friday, or Saturday. 

I've been given oxygen just as a matter of standard protocol for a simple ambulance ride for things like broken bones. It doesn't necessarily mean anything and I can't fathom what I would do with that information about the president.

 
 
 
Tacos!
7.1.8  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.6    4 weeks ago
I think when a president spends six months minimizing a disease and then gets it himself because he didnt observe precautions its a news story. 

It would be news anyway.

That has nothing to do with whether or not you are getting a sufficient briefing on his condition and treatment.

maybe you dont like the news

You're changing the subject. Should we scandalize that as well?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
7.1.9  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Tacos! @7.1.5    4 weeks ago

NBC just led off their nightly news with this story

 “The president’s vitals over the last 24 hours were very concerning and the next 48 hours will be critical in terms of his care. We’re still not on a clear path to a full recovery.”
 
 
 
Tacos!
7.1.10  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.9    4 weeks ago

It's been like 48 hours. I don't know why he would be "on a clear path to a full recovery" at this early stage. The disease doesn't work that way. All his doctor said was that they are "cautiously optimistic." He said that 7 to 10 days is when they expect to see things get worse (if they are going to) because of the inflammation.

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
7.1.11  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Ender @7.1.4    4 weeks ago
I think it should be prudent that the people know what is going on instead of all the secrecy.

Considering that Trump works for us, it should be mandatory.

 
 
 
Ender
7.1.12  Ender  replied to  Tacos! @7.1.7    4 weeks ago

Actually I have no idea how he is doing or what his symptoms are.

There are way to many conflicting reports.

The only thing we know is it is now a wait and see on how he progresses.

 
 
 
Ender
7.1.13  Ender  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @7.1.11    4 weeks ago

That is one thing about this administration I could never fathom. They all work for us yet they sign NDAs and all the secrecy, like we don't have a right to know anything.

 
 
 
Tacos!
7.1.14  Tacos!  replied to  Ender @7.1.12    4 weeks ago

Have you seen this video of his doctors? I think they lay it out about as well as can be expected. 

 
 
 
CB
7.1.15  CB   replied to  Tacos! @7.1.2    4 weeks ago
I bet it was the guy who parks the cars.

Or could it be from Donald's opt-repeated "400 pound guy in his basement"? You're the one who is overly defensive about something you are not even in Washington with a license to validate!

 
 
 
Tacos!
7.1.16  Tacos!  replied to  CB @7.1.15    4 weeks ago
You're the one who is overly defensive about something you are not even in Washington with a license to validate!

You wish! Your ridiculous projection is, well . . .  ridiculous. My position has basically been "nothing to see here yet." I'm not the one who has anything to defend. Geez, please comment with relevant, rational statements.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
7.1.17  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Tacos! @7.1.16    4 weeks ago
Spiro Agnew’s Ghost
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**BREAKING: CHIEF OF STAFF MARK MEADOWS OUTED AS “ANONYMOUS SOURCE” WHO SAYS TRUMP IS IN WORSE SHAPE THAN DOCTOR IMPLIED.**
 
 
 
Tacos!
7.1.18  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.17    4 weeks ago

Then my suspicions were correct: Not a doctor.

 
 
 
Tessylo
7.1.19  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @7.1.16    4 weeks ago
"Geez, please comment with relevant, rational statements"

You first.  

 
 
 
CB
7.1.20  CB   replied to  Tacos! @7.1.16    4 weeks ago

Your "bet" is worthless, you can have it back. I reclaim my time.  Moving on.

 
 
 
Tacos!
7.1.21  Tacos!  replied to  CB @7.1.20    4 weeks ago
I reclaim my time.

It's evident that you don't know what that means. You have used it inappropriately many times.

 
 
 
Tacos!
7.1.22  Tacos!  replied to  Tessylo @7.1.19    4 weeks ago
You first.

Responding to something that wasn't directed at you again. And so helpfully, too.

 
 
 
Tacos!
7.1.23  Tacos!  replied to  CB @7.1.20    4 weeks ago
Your "bet" is worthless, you can have it back.

I didn't make the comment to you, so you don't have anything to give back. Also, it's an expression. Maybe read the comments closer before replying, eh?

 
 
 
Dulay
7.1.24  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @7.1.5    4 weeks ago
Does the president have no right to privacy?

Why yes. YES he does and all he need do is invoke that right. 

HOWEVER, if medical information IS going to be shared, it should be factual. PERIOD, full stop. 

If that's true and known, then there is no need to ask, is there? Maybe because he knows how the press needlessly splits hairs to create a scandal.

Ridiculous. 

My point is that speculating about all this serves nothing. He will either recover or he won't. He can either do the job or he can't, in which case, we have a VP. Trying to scandalize a presser with doctors - especially this early on - is just trying to create a problem.

All Trump's doctor needs do is be forthright, doing otherwise serves nothing. 

If he lies or equivocates, he should expect criticism for his lack of credulity and HE is creating the problem. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
7.1.25  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.17    4 weeks ago

Thought you all were good with anonymous sources.  Isn't that the same source as most of your hit pieces?  I mean you did link twitter to this "article".

 
 
 
JohnRussell
7.1.26  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @7.1.25    4 weeks ago

I have no idea what you are talking about. Elaborate. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
7.1.27  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Tacos! @7.1.8    4 weeks ago
That has nothing to do with whether or not you are getting a sufficient briefing on his condition and treatment.

You have to stop defending Trump at all costs. It embarrasses you. 

Trump's doctor gave a certain interpretation of his condition. A few minutes later Trump's chief of staff, in many ways his official White House spokesperson, contradicted the doctor's assessment, in an 'anonymous' communication with White House reporters. 

YOU see nothing disturbing about that and suggest people should be satisfied with the doctor's version. Unfortunately, there is a history of doctors who work for Trump being a little over enthusiastic about his health facts. 

The doctor totally danced around whether or not Trump had received oxygen, choosing his words so careful in order to hide the truth (Trump received oxygen on Friday) that it was completely obvious he was hiding something. 

But you want everyone to accept totally what the doctor said even though Trump's closest administration official in the chain of command added contradictory information a few minutes later. 

There is no excuse for people who want to pretend to Trump's benefit that this stuff is normal. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
7.1.28  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.27    4 weeks ago
Trump's doctor gave a certain interpretation of his condition. A few minutes later Trump's chief of staff, in many ways his official White House spokesperson, contradicted the doctor's assessment

And you are going with the spokesperson?  A non-medical professional?  [Deleted]

 
 
 
devangelical
7.1.29  devangelical  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @7.1.28    4 weeks ago

trump apparently didn't when he was doing his daily covid pressers.

 
 
 
Dulay
7.1.30  Dulay  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @7.1.28    4 weeks ago

How about Trump's Chief of Staff. He was on Fox saying the drop in Trump's oxygen level is what caused him and the Dr. to move Trump to Walter Reed. The Dr. claimed that Trump wasn't put on oxygen and Trump claims he moved to the hospital so he wouldn't be locked up safely in the WH residence. 

WHO is telling the truth or are NONE of them telling the truth? 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
7.1.31  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @7.1.28    4 weeks ago

We know that the doctor was disingenuous. He tried to hide the fact that Trump was given oxygen on Friday. So that was presumably one of the reasons the chief of staff contacted the WH pool reporters. 

I still don't get your point. And I am not the one that looks idiotic. 

 
 
 
CB
7.1.32  CB   replied to  Tacos! @7.1.21    4 weeks ago

You get my drift right? It is clear to me that you dodge the substance of deep discussion with tangential constructs routinely. I use "reclaiming my time" in jest as I choose. Of course, since you like pretend to be serious with me you deflect to it as more fodder for "debate."  —Not going to happen.

I hope you can deal with the substance and not the BS more readily next. Your bet is worthless, since you have no idea what the parking lot attendant is doing. And John Russell is absolutely correct as White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows is the source of information in question. But, of course, you ignored the substance and are here trying your damnest to 'shoot' the messengers!

Of course, you will fail at that, because we don't take BS lightly.

 
 
 
CB
7.1.33  CB   replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @7.1.28    4 weeks ago

So now Trump's Chief of Staff should lay down under the bus, too? He does not matter to you when he supposedly speaks counter to Donald? As you may know, Mark Meadows means little to nothing to me, but on "odd" days should hold substance with you. And now Meadows is the equivalent of 'some dude' to you. And somehow we're the "idiots."  Give me a break. Actually, we're going to take the break whether you give it or not!

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
7.1.34  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.26    4 weeks ago

Elaborate?  You source is Twitter. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
7.1.35  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Dulay @7.1.30    4 weeks ago
How about Trump's Chief of Staff.

And right there is your problem.  In your 1st sentence.  You are taking the word of the Chief of Staff over the doctor.  And you all wonder why I laugh at you.

 
 
 
Dulay
7.1.36  Dulay  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @7.1.35    4 weeks ago
And right there is your problem.  In your 1st sentence.  You are taking the word of the Chief of Staff over the doctor. 

The Doctor is NOW admitting that Trump was on oxygen in the WH on Friday.

So do you believe YESTERDAY'S Doctor or TODAY'S Doctor? 

And you all wonder why I laugh at you.

Actually Jeremy, I don't wonder why you do anything and I could not care less. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
7.1.37  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @7.1.34    4 weeks ago
Elaborate?  You source is Twitter. 

The sources are Dr. Conley and Mark Meadows. 

 
 
 
CB
7.1.38  CB   replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.31    4 weeks ago

It's Sunday and the media is still not sure of their reporting and the television doctors (no "idiots" themselves) can't flesh out an understanding of the 'fog' of statements given by Walter Reed Hospital speaking on behalf of their patient Donald Trump. It is said that the patient controls how much about their medical history/record/current condition can be provided to the public. If that is true, then yet again "combative" Donald is wearing down everybody to carry his version on bull around in their satchels and to a nearby mic! Typical Donald. Even in sickness, he chooses to con,  manipulate, and lie.

Donald, for the good of this nation, just go and let us find some peaceful rest at night (without you bs)!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
7.1.39  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @7.1.35    4 weeks ago
And you all wonder why I laugh at you.

We dont wonder why we laugh at you. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
7.1.40  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @7.1.22    4 weeks ago

Didn't you know?  This is a public form and I can comment to whoever I please, even if the comment wasn't directed to me.  Got it?

 
 
 
Tessylo
7.1.41  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.26    4 weeks ago
"I have no idea what you are talking about."

Either does he.

 
 
 
Tacos!
7.1.42  Tacos!  replied to  Tessylo @7.1.40    4 weeks ago

I never said you couldn't comment to whomever you please. But it since it had nothing to do with the comment or the seed, and was only a personal comment about me, one wonders why you are even here. To contribute? Or harass people?

 
 
 
Tessylo
7.1.43  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @7.1.42    4 weeks ago

I'll do and say as I please and there's nothing you can do about it.

You may have the last word . . . for now . . . . 

 
 
 
Tacos!
7.1.44  Tacos!  replied to  Dulay @7.1.24    4 weeks ago
YES he does and all he need do is invoke that right.

Is that a special Dulay rule? Rights exist regardless of whether you "invoke" them or not. If he decides to keep something from you, he's not obligated to declare it. You act like the president owes you full disclosure about every bit of medical attention he receives.

If he lies or equivocates, he should expect criticism for his lack of credulity and HE is creating the problem.

I agree that he spoke in a way that appeared evasive and I don't think any of us is in a position to read his mind and say what was going on. We can speculate, I suppose.

 
 
 
Tacos!
7.1.45  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.27    4 weeks ago
You: You have to stop defending Trump at all costs. It embarrasses you. 
Also you: There is no excuse for people who want to pretend to Trump's benefit that this stuff is normal. 

It would be so bitchin' if you could stop attacking people personally for their opinions and just discuss the topic.

Unfortunately, there is a history of doctors who work for Trump being a little over enthusiastic about his health facts.

And that has impacted the country how? Exactly?

But you want everyone to accept totally what the doctor said

I actually don't care what you or "everyone" accept. I accept what I choose to accept. It's easy for me to accept what the doctor says because I don't have any decisions to make based on it. "Everyone" else seems to think it impacts their lives somehow, but it doesn't.

 
 
 
Tacos!
7.1.46  Tacos!  replied to  CB @7.1.32    4 weeks ago
It is clear to me that you dodge the substance of deep discussion with tangential constructs routinely. I use "reclaiming my time" in jest as I choose. Of course, since you like pretend to be serious with me you deflect to it as more fodder for "debate." 

What deep discussion? You responded to a comment I directed at JR in @7.1.2. I didn't even say it to you. And your contribution to the deep discussion was to accuse me of being defensive when I don't even have anything to defend. Now you want to act like I'm wasting your time? Get over yourself.

Your bet is worthless, since you have no idea what the parking lot attendant is doing.

OMG it was a joke. The parking lot guy is metaphor to show I place little credence or value in unnamed sources leaking information, especially on trivial details that don't concern anyone. I can't believe I even had to explain that.

Of course, you will fail at that, because we don't take BS lightly.

That's some sanctimonious claptrap right there. Stop putting yourself on a pedestal just so you can look down on people and you might get along better. (If human relations matter to you.)

 
 
 
CB
7.1.47  CB   replied to  Tacos! @7.1.46    4 weeks ago

You're here to be combative only. I don't care about meaningless 'combat.' You're not joking. You're simply spinning away without any inclination to stop!
You're firing 'blanks.' As to your insults and invective—I've been hit with worse with no effects afterwards. Whatever you got that is not substantial, I won't be responding to. Moving on.

 
 
 
Dulay
7.1.48  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @7.1.44    4 weeks ago
Is that a special Dulay rule?

Interesting that you think that being truthful is my 'special' rule. 

Rights exist regardless of whether you "invoke" them or not.

False. 

If he decides to keep something from you, he's not obligated to declare it. You act like the president owes you full disclosure about every bit of medical attention he receives.

If Trump chooses to send his Doctor out to make a statement, it should be truthful. PERIOD, full stop. Trump and his Doctor owe the American people the TRUTH. Not fabrication and equivocation. 

Trump's Doctor is an employee of the Federal Government and he works for us. He isn't paid to lie for Trump.

He has three choices, invoke Trump's right to privacy, answer questions fully and truthfully or STFU. 

I agree that he spoke in a way that appeared evasive and I don't think any of us is in a position to read his mind and say what was going on. We can speculate, I suppose.

Why equivocate. The Doctor was evasive. If we are left to speculate, spare us the gaslighting. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
7.1.49  Tacos!  replied to  Dulay @7.1.48    4 weeks ago
Interesting that you think that being truthful is my rule exclusively. 

That wasn't the rule and you know it. You said he should "invoke" his right to privacy. That was your rule. I guess you won't be owning it.

Rights exist regardless of whether you "invoke" them or not - False

That is either dishonest or ignorant.

Why equivocate. 

I have no idea why the doctor might choose to withhold certain information or state things in a certain way. I also don't much care, given the choices - i.e. Trump had oxygen at some point or not. It has no effect on anything.

spare us the gaslighting. 

Who is gaslighting you?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
7.1.50  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Tacos! @7.1.45    4 weeks ago

Bla bla bla. 

Sad. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
7.1.51  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.50    4 weeks ago

I see you've found your true inner voice.

 
 
 
Dulay
7.1.52  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @7.1.49    4 weeks ago
That wasn't the rule and you know it. You said he should "invoke" his right to privacy. That was your rule. I guess you won't be owning it.

First of all, if you're going to insist that it's MY 'special' rule, I can make it whatever the fuck I want it to be...

Secondly, that's some ridiculous shit right there. YOU posted the video. Did you WATCH it? How many times did Trump's Doctor refuse to give specific information about his patient? THAT was Trump's Doctor invoking Trump's right to privacy. 

That is either dishonest or ignorant.

Really? Ever heard of the 5th Amendment Tacos!

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I have no idea why the doctor might choose to withhold certain information or state things in a certain way. 

Which address your reason for equivocation HOW? 

I also don't much care, given the choices - i.e. Trump had oxygen at some point or not. It has no effect on anything.

Yes I know that YOU don't care whether Trump's sycophants lie for him. 

Who is gaslighting you?

Trump, his Doctor, Chief of Staff and WH spoke persons are gaslighting the American people. 

 
 
 
Ender
8  Ender    4 weeks ago

I heard them say the next 48 hours will be critical for recovery, basically saying that it will not be an easy recovery.

So it seems it is worse than they are letting on.

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
9  Dean Moriarty    4 weeks ago

512

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
9.1  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Dean Moriarty @9    4 weeks ago

Ok.  I'll admit it.  Maybe that's a little funny.

 
 
 
Ender
9.1.1  Ender  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @9.1    4 weeks ago

Is the nurse suppose to be Hillary? Hard to make out.

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
9.1.2  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Ender @9.1.1    4 weeks ago
Is the nurse suppose to be Hillary?

I think so.  She looks better than I thought she would in a beard and mustache.  

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
9.1.3  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @9.1.2    4 weeks ago

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bugsy
10  bugsy    4 weeks ago

I know one thing is for sure.

There are going to be some pissed off liberals (not that most of them already are for no reason) when the President fully recovers and continues his campaign for re-election.

There are many, many of them that are hoping he dies.

There is a reason why conservatives did not celebrate the death of Ginsburg.

Most of us have ethics.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
10.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  bugsy @10    4 weeks ago
There is a reason why conservatives did not celebrate the death of Ginsburg. Most of us have ethics.

Do you seriously believe Trump has ethics?  Or is he lying about being a conservative?

 
 
 
bugsy
10.1.1  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @10.1    4 weeks ago
Do you seriously believe Trump has ethics? 
Not sure where you got where I said Trump is a conservative. He is what he is, and millions of Americans approve of that.
Show me where a high visual conservative gloated and celebrated Ginsburg's death.
 
 
 
JohnRussell
10.1.2  author  JohnRussell  replied to  bugsy @10.1.1    4 weeks ago

I said he's a conservative because he said he is. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
10.1.3  author  JohnRussell  replied to  bugsy @10.1.1    4 weeks ago
Show me where a high visual conservative gloated and celebrated Ginsburg's death.

Why would anyone celebrate Ginsburg's death?  She's not the biggest asshole in America. 

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I don't death wish anyone, and never will,  but there are some I would not mourn. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
10.1.4  Bob Nelson  replied to  JohnRussell @10.1.2    4 weeks ago
I said he's a conservative because he said he is. 

C'mon John ! 

You know better than to accept anything Trump says! 

 
 
 
Gazoo
10.1.5  Gazoo  replied to  JohnRussell @10.1.3    4 weeks ago

”I don't death wish anyone, and never will,  but there are some I would not mourn“

But you’ll give a thumbs up to comments that death wish, not much of a difference there.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
10.1.6  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Gazoo @10.1.5    4 weeks ago

I dont encourage or approve of any death wishing. If I gave one a thumbs up it was by mistake. 

 
 
 
Gazoo
10.1.7  Gazoo  replied to  JohnRussell @10.1.6    4 weeks ago

Uh huh

 
 
 
Gazoo
10.1.8  Gazoo  replied to  JohnRussell @10.1.6    4 weeks ago

Actually, you gave a thumbs up to two death wishing comments, so no, it wasn’t a mistake. Peddle your lies elsewhere.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
10.1.9  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Gazoo @10.1.8    4 weeks ago
Peddle your lies elsewhere.

Why do you have to remind me of Newstalkers right wingers like that ? 

 
 
 
Gazoo
10.1.10  Gazoo  replied to  JohnRussell @10.1.9    4 weeks ago

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JohnRussell
10.1.11  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Gazoo @10.1.10    4 weeks ago

DS, sometimes I give thumbs up to people without looking at the comment, because I like the person's style from past posts I've seen. I do it all the time.

Instead of worrying about people on NT you think you catch lying, why dont you worry about the 20,000 lies your hero trump has told to the American people. 

 
 
 
Gazoo
10.1.12  Gazoo  replied to  JohnRussell @10.1.11    4 weeks ago

Way to deflect, john. For someone who hates lies so much you don’t seem to mind your own, or biden’s.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
10.1.13  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Gazoo @10.1.12    4 weeks ago

Like I said, if you cared about lies you could keep yourself busy for the next few years by studying trumps during his term in office. 

 
 
 
Gazoo
10.1.14  Gazoo  replied to  JohnRussell @10.1.13    4 weeks ago

Continual deflection to trump does not negate your own lies. You thumbed up two death wish comments. As nasty as that is, if that’s how you feel then that’s how you feel,  just don’t lie about it.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
10.1.15  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Gazoo @10.1.14    4 weeks ago

I am against death wishing.  Now, why dont you denounce Trump lying 20,000 times or STFU. 

 
 
 
Gazoo
10.1.16  Gazoo  replied to  JohnRussell @10.1.15    4 weeks ago

Yet you thumbed up two death wishing comments.

You can deflect to trump till your face turns red, you can lie till the cows come home, it doesn’t negate the fact that you thumbed up not one, but two death wishing comments. 

have a good night.

 
 
 
bbl-1
10.1.17  bbl-1  replied to  JohnRussell @10.1.2    4 weeks ago

Conservatism is dead. 

 
 
 
Ender
10.2  Ender  replied to  bugsy @10    4 weeks ago

Oh please.

Most Liberal people I know are just talking about the complete irony of the situation.

From him calling it a 'hoax', saying it wasn't bad, it will be gone, no worse than the flu, etc. Not to mention him flouting the disregard of any and all protocols. Not adhering to advice of experts, using the CDC as a political outlet...

Most are saying he brought it on himself through his own stupidity.

This many, many you speak of is just political pandering. I could say shame on you for making it political when your own CIC is lying in hospital.

As far as RBG, they were dancing on her grave hours after her death.

 
 
 
bugsy
10.2.1  bugsy  replied to  Ender @10.2    4 weeks ago
As far as RBG, they were dancing on her grave hours after her death.

Who are this "they"

Be specific

 
 
 
Ender
10.2.2  Ender  replied to  bugsy @10.2.1    4 weeks ago

Who is the many, many? 

Be specific...

 
 
 
Ender
10.2.4  Ender  replied to  bugsy @10.2.3    4 weeks ago

None of that is hoping that he dies. It is mostly what I am talking about, calling out the irony of the people that refused to admit how bad it was, ended up getting it.

There is a big difference...

 
 
 
Tessylo
10.2.5  Tessylo  replied to  Ender @10.2    4 weeks ago
"Most are saying he brought it on himself through his own stupidity."

He did.  No doubt about it.  I'm all torn up about it too.  Don't know how I'll sleep at night.  

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
10.2.6  Bob Nelson  replied to  bugsy @10.2.3    4 weeks ago

I don't understand. 

Why would you hold Ms X responsible for the actions of Mr Y, especially when Ms X condemns such actions? 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
10.3  Bob Nelson  replied to  bugsy @10    4 weeks ago

You apparently know a great deal about what liberals are thinking. Do you perhaps spend a lot of time among them? 

 
 
 
bugsy
10.3.1  bugsy  replied to  Bob Nelson @10.3    4 weeks ago
You apparently know a great deal about what liberals are thinking.

I know exactly what liberals are thinking.

Here, let me give you a little sample...

 
 
 
Tessylo
10.4  Tessylo  replied to  bugsy @10    4 weeks ago
"Most of us have ethics."

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I've yet to see any evidence of that

 
 
 
Account Deleted
11  Account Deleted    4 weeks ago

I think I can explain the two contradictory stories.

They are throwing stuff at the wall to see what polls the best for the President.

 
 
 
bbl-1
12  bbl-1    4 weeks ago

If Trump is playing options he is a poor player with stupid options.

He assuredly does have COVID, ( although the seriousness of the infection could be debated ) because it is highly unlikely the Doctors at Walter Reed would allow themselves to be used in a political Trumpian ploy.

 
 
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