WHAT DO YOU HOPE WILL HAPPEN AFTER THE ELECTION ?

  

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By:  john-russell  •  4 weeks ago  •  161 comments

WHAT DO YOU HOPE WILL HAPPEN AFTER THE ELECTION ?

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JohnRussell
1  author  JohnRussell    4 weeks ago

My first thought is that I hope the election results will make it possible to say with some certainty that Trump never had a chance.   That would say something positive about the American people. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
1.1  Split Personality  replied to  JohnRussell @1    4 weeks ago

If he does not win Tuesday, he will probably try to run again in 4 more years....

Like HRC, you just won't be able to keep from hearing about him or the tweets ...

 
 
 
JBB
2  JBB    4 weeks ago

I would hope we unite around the next President...

 
 
 
Sparty On
2.1  Sparty On  replied to  JBB @2    4 weeks ago

Never happen if Trump wins .... never.

Which speaks to the real malfunction from the last four years.

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Sparty On @2.1    4 weeks ago

tRump is the real malfunction from the last four years.  

 
 
 
Sparty On
2.1.2  Sparty On  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.1    4 weeks ago

Thx for more empirical evidence of what speak of, again and again and again and  .... so predictable .....  so SOSDD.

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.1.3  Tessylo  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.1    4 weeks ago

and his supporters/enablers.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.1.4  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sparty On @2.1    4 weeks ago
Never happen if Trump wins .... never. Which speaks to the real malfunction from the last four years.

In all honesty, did it happen under Obama either?

Which speaks to the real malfunction from those four years.

 
 
 
Sparty On
2.1.5  Sparty On  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.4    4 weeks ago

It is simply disingenuous to compare the two.  

Was there opposition resistance against Obama like any other president?   Certainly.   Was there a unprecedented, constant, often openly coordinated attack on him for his eight straight years by the opposition AND the majority of the mass media?

Not even close.   Which speaks to the malfunction of those who can't admit that obvious truth.

 
 
 
Tacos!
2.2  Tacos!  replied to  JBB @2    4 weeks ago

That is - and always has been - up to us.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.2.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Tacos! @2.2    4 weeks ago

Agreed

 
 
 
Kavika
2.2.2  Kavika   replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2.1    4 weeks ago

I like to see Trump enter all the ''hot dog eating contests'' I'm sure he would be a bigly wiener in that endeavor.  

512

 
 
 
lady in black
3  lady in black    4 weeks ago

Seeing Orange conman and his entire grifter family in cuffs.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
3.1  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  lady in black @3    4 weeks ago

I’d like to hear that Donald dropped his soap in the prison shower.

 
 
 
TᵢG
4  TᵢG    4 weeks ago

I hope Biden is elected and can serve a full four year term and then retire.  Harris will no doubt run for PotUS at that time so I hope the Rs can muster up a decent candidate.

I hope the Rs at least keep the Senate to provide a partisan check since I have no idea what a Biden administration will wind up supporting given the curious dynamics at play in the D party nowadays.

I hope Trump gets distracted with personal concerns so that we do not have to keep hearing his bullshit.

Finally I hope people realize that the economy is not a function of Trump.   But I also hope that Biden does not take actions that hinder the economy.   A PotUS cannot do much to improve an economy but s/he can do plenty to harm it.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
4.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  TᵢG @4    4 weeks ago
I hope the Rs at least keep the Senate

That is where you and I differ. Republicans have proven themselves incapable of honest governance and should be stripped of their power. I do not believe a Democrat led Senate and House could ever be as irresponsible as the Republican party had been when they had the majority in both and the white house. I think rational legislators will prevent any extremist from either side damaging our nation just like how John McCain who had a spine stopped the Republican majority from completely killing the ACA.

The current batch of Republican senators proved they have no spine and refused to condemn or even censure the Presidents obviously impeachable actions and numerous counts of obstruction. They also have shown themselves monumental liars and hypocrites after blocking Obama's supreme court nominee for tens months claiming the next President should be allowed to seat the justice, then reversing course as soon as it was in their interest to do so. They do not deserve to remain in power, especially when leaving them in power leaves Moscow Mitch running things.

 
 
 
Snuffy
4.1.1  Snuffy  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.1    4 weeks ago

I have to disagree with you here.  There are many both in Washington and on this board who call for the Senate to do away with the filibuster if the Democrats take the Senate.  I think that would be a huge mistake to do that. The Senate was set up to provide a voice for the states and Congress has gotten so overtaken by the political parties that removing the filibuster would allow for government by the majority and would completely silence the minority. IMO I believe that is wrong and against the ideals of the founding fathers. 

After the election I wish we could see a reduction in the partisan bullshit that has overtaking government, but I'm afraid I'm not very hopeful that we will get that. If either side wins a majority in both sides of Congress and the WH I can see a level of vindictiveness possible. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
4.1.2  Bob Nelson  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.1    4 weeks ago
Republicans have proven themselves incapable of honest governance and should be stripped of their political power.

Agreed. They have proven that they will abuse any authority they obtain. The way they blocked a legitimate Obama candidate and then rushed their own is edifying. There's no point in not using all powers allowed by the law... because the GOP certainly will.

The Republicans play hardball, full-time. The Dems have no choice but to do the same. 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
4.1.3  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Snuffy @4.1.1    4 weeks ago
There are many both in Washington and on this board who call for the Senate to do away with the filibuster if the Democrats take the Senate.

I honestly don't think they will have to, they may end up with a super majority before long.

If either side wins a majority in both sides of Congress and the WH I can see a level of vindictiveness possible.

I disagree. I believe that Democrats will usher in an era of normalcy and getting back to governance instead of slap fighting over the latest Trump tweet with Republicans rolling their eyes and ignoring the constant barrage of stupid being issued by the clown in the oval office while democrats rightly call him out for it. We will finally be able to go a whole week without checking in on the 24/7 news cycles that have dominated everyone's brains since Trump became president and began poking different hornets nests daily with his ignorant or offensive tweets.

I believe this will happen because Trumps ethics violations and criminal behavior will be exposed and we'll all get to see the evidence and Republicans will finally feel ashamed for what they put us through and decide to shut up and work with ALL the American people to get things done instead of demonizing liberals and Democrats and those who live in urban areas as if they don't matter as much as those in rural areas. They will realize it's in their best interest to work with Democrats to actually get something done for once instead of just spending all their time packing the courts with conservatives. They got that win, they should be happy with their many new judges and then get back to the business of governance instead of partisan gamesmanship.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
4.1.4  Bob Nelson  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.1.3    4 weeks ago

Let's not forget the supermajorities the Republicans hold in many states (thanks to outrageous gerrymandering). If Trump's manipulation of the census is successful, the GOP will continue to hold absolute power in those states. 

 
 
 
Dulay
4.1.5  Dulay  replied to  Snuffy @4.1.1    4 weeks ago
The Senate was set up to provide a voice for the states and Congress has gotten so overtaken by the political parties that removing the filibuster would allow for government by the majority and would completely silence the minority. IMO I believe that is wrong and against the ideals of the founding fathers. 

The founders 'set up' the Senate as a body governed by majority vote, it wasn't changed until 1917. The Senate would not need to remove the filibuster, they could just remove the Cloture rule. Senators would still be able to take the floor and hold it, as the did when some of the founders were members of the Senate. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
4.1.6  Bob Nelson  replied to  Dulay @4.1.5    4 weeks ago

The Senate originally had 26 members. I doubt the Fathers ever envisaged one hundred. 

 
 
 
Snuffy
4.1.7  Snuffy  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.1.3    4 weeks ago
I disagree. I believe that Democrats will usher in an era of normalcy and getting back to governance instead of slap fighting over the latest Trump tweet

Man I hope you're right.  I think we could all use some days of Washington actually working for the good of the people rather than continuing to play that stupid partisan game.  

 
 
 
Dulay
4.1.8  Dulay  replied to  Bob Nelson @4.1.6    4 weeks ago

How is the number of Senators relevant Bob? 

The first session of Congress were over about 7 months and they managed to pass a crap load of legislation AND 12 passed 12 Amendments to the Constitution. 

MUCH of that work happened in Committees, just as they are today. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
4.1.9  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @4.1.4    4 weeks ago

 
 
 
Gsquared
4.1.10  Gsquared  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.1.3    4 weeks ago

I'm not as optimistic about the future attitude and behaviour of the Republicans as you seem to be.  Their gross perfidy did not come about just recently during the Trump era.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
4.1.11  Bob Nelson  replied to  Dulay @4.1.8    4 weeks ago

The difference between a small club and a big one. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
4.1.12  Bob Nelson  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.9    4 weeks ago

Interesting 

 
 
 
Dulay
4.1.13  Dulay  replied to  Bob Nelson @4.1.11    4 weeks ago

Well that wasn't much help Bob. Thanks anyhoo...

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
4.1.14  Bob Nelson  replied to  Dulay @4.1.13    4 weeks ago

Actually, it was a serious response... Social dynamics are different in small groups and large. 

 
 
 
Dulay
4.1.15  Dulay  replied to  Bob Nelson @4.1.14    4 weeks ago

The founders were well aware of the social dynamics of small vs large groups Bob. The Federalist papers document that fact. 

The Constitution was written with the anticipation of a growing country and the founders were all about 'manifest destiny'. Jefferson and Monroe corresponded about expanding even into South America. Just over 50 years after the ratification of the Constitution, we were at 50 Senators. Based on how many states were carved out of the original 'states' and territories at the time, it's hard to believe that the founders didn't envision 100 Senators. 

This map was reality long before the founders were gone. 

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Bob Nelson
4.1.16  Bob Nelson  replied to  Dulay @4.1.15    4 weeks ago

We're in a "he-said, she-said". Let's cease. 

 
 
 
Dulay
4.1.17  Dulay  replied to  Bob Nelson @4.1.16    4 weeks ago

I posted facts in the context of the discussion. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
4.1.18  Bob Nelson  replied to  Dulay @4.1.17    4 weeks ago

Your map shows sixteen states. Thirty-two Senators. That's far from 100. 

 
 
 
Dulay
4.1.19  Dulay  replied to  Bob Nelson @4.1.18    4 weeks ago

Did you miss the part of my comment about how many states were carved out of other states Bob? That is what the map illustrates. The founders could have easily imagined many more states JUST from the territory shown on the map. That doesn't even show Jefferson's addition of with the Louisiana Purchase and the additional states they could create from that...

We're envisioning what they could have envisioned after all...

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
4.1.20  Bob Nelson  replied to  Dulay @4.1.19    4 weeks ago

We can always envisage... 

The population of the largest state was 7 times that of the smallest. Today that ratio is 30 to 1. 

LOTS of things change... a lot... in a quarter of a millennium. The Fathers were brilliant, but not omniscient. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
4.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  TᵢG @4    4 weeks ago

Well said Tig.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.3  author  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @4    4 weeks ago
I hope the Rs at least keep the Senate to provide a partisan check since I have no idea what a Biden administration will wind up supporting given the curious dynamics at play in the D party nowadays.

No. The Democrats need to take the Senate so they can pass legislation protecting the health care of people with pre-existing conditions. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
4.3.1  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @4.3    4 weeks ago

I am against either party operating without at least some check.   The checks and balances placed in the CotUS have largely been mitigated over the decades by partisan politics and the stranglehold control congressional leaders have over the members of Congress.   That is, we do not have independent thinking statespersons faithfully trying to represent their constituencies but rather partisans who largely (that means 'often but not always') kow-tow to the leadership.  The only real check is the partisan check which occurs when we have a divided Congress or when the Executive and Legislative branches are controlled by different parties.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.3.2  author  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @4.3.1    4 weeks ago

No. The Democrats need to take the Senate so they can pass legislation protecting the health care of people with pre-existing conditions.

 
 
 
TᵢG
4.3.3  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @4.3.2    4 weeks ago

You are repeating yourself.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.3.4  author  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @4.3.3    4 weeks ago

I know. 

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
4.3.5  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  JohnRussell @4.3.4    4 weeks ago

With the unrelenting support for Trump’s hideous policies and graft by Republicans at large, insisting that both parties retain some degree of checks and balances on one another is like insisting every hospital includes one flesh eating zombie on staff.  It truly makes no sense at this point.  

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
4.3.6  Trout Giggles  replied to  TᵢG @4.3.1    4 weeks ago

I think we should just do away with political parties. Everybody is now an independent in Trout Giggles' world

 
 
 
TᵢG
4.3.7  TᵢG  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.3.6    4 weeks ago

I am all for that!   But parties have been around since our founding.

 
 
 
Dulay
4.4  Dulay  replied to  TᵢG @4    4 weeks ago

Do you doubt that Biden will stand by the vast majority of his documented platform? 

 
 
 
TᵢG
4.4.1  TᵢG  replied to  Dulay @4.4    4 weeks ago

I do not know what Biden will do if there is no opposition.

 
 
 
Texan1211
4.4.2  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @4.4    4 weeks ago

YES.

 
 
 
Dulay
4.4.3  Dulay  replied to  TᵢG @4.4.1    4 weeks ago

Can you cite something from Biden's platform that you WANT opposed? 

 
 
 
Dulay
4.4.4  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @4.4.2    4 weeks ago

Please don't pretend that you have a clue about Biden's documented platform.

 
 
 
Texan1211
4.4.5  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @4.4.4    4 weeks ago

Please don't pretend you have the first clue as to what I know.

 
 
 
Dulay
4.4.6  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @4.4.5    4 weeks ago

My comment was about what you don't know and your posts are the clues...

 
 
 
Texan1211
4.4.7  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @4.4.6    4 weeks ago

Always amusing.................

 
 
 
Dulay
4.4.8  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @4.4.7    4 weeks ago

Well many of your posts do have me laughing out loud but not funny ha ha...

 
 
 
TᵢG
4.4.9  TᵢG  replied to  Dulay @4.4.3    4 weeks ago
Can you cite something from Biden's platform that you WANT opposed? 

I made no point regarding Biden's STATED platform; my concern is what will ACTUALLY take place based on the dynamics at play in the D party today.

In particular, how influential will the Sanders/AOC/et.al. social democracy faction be with the Biden presidency?   Nobody can answer that question.  We do, however, know that Sanders' forces are supporting Biden.

 
 
 
Dulay
4.4.10  Dulay  replied to  TᵢG @4.4.9    4 weeks ago
I made no point regarding Biden's STATED platform; my concern is what will ACTUALLY take place based on the dynamics at play in the D party today.

It seemed to me that you did. 

I have no idea what a Biden administration will wind up supporting

That implies that the Biden administration will start out supporting a STATED platform and change because of party dynamics. 

In particular, how influential will the Sanders/AOC/et.al. social democracy faction be with the Biden presidency?   Nobody can answer that question.  We do, however, know that Sanders' forces are supporting Biden.

Sanders isn't a 'team player' or much of an influential member of the Senate. Sanders may have something the say as the Chairman of the Committee on Budget as a member of the Committee on Energy. AOC has yet to sponsor a bill though as member of the Oversight, Environment and Civil Rights Committees she could make herself heard.

It seems to me that they and the rest of Congress will have their hands full with keeping our heads above water addressing Covid 19 for quite a while. Though addressing the Covid crisis can be viewed through a social democracy lens, it's health, safety and reopening safely will be the initial encompassing issues. Based on what Fauci has been saying, that takes us into the middle of Biden's first term. 

While the Democratic Party doesn't march in lock step like the GOP, Nancy Pelosi is on record as the most productive Speaker in the history of the House and Schumer has done a good job keeping the Democrats organized as a caucus. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
4.4.11  TᵢG  replied to  Dulay @4.4.10    4 weeks ago
It seemed to me that you did. 

I did not.   You read wrong.

That implies that the Biden administration will start out supporting a STATED platform and change because of party dynamics. 

I implied no such thing.   I do not know what Biden will do;  nobody knows.   We can only guess.   Some will guess he will be true to his stated platform.   Others will guess that the Sanders / AOC / ... factors will heavily influence Biden.   Others guess that Harris will be a heavy factor.   Seems to me we have to wait until he is sworn in and watch what he does.   

Sanders isn't a 'team player' or much of an influential member of the Senate.

I was not referring to Sanders as an individual but rather the Sanders faction.   Nobody knows the dynamics at play here (yet) but it is pretty obvious that there are competing factions within the D party and that Sanders' faction is very different from the traditional D positions.  

 
 
 
Dulay
4.4.12  Dulay  replied to  TᵢG @4.4.11    4 weeks ago
I was not referring to Sanders as an individual but rather the Sanders faction. 

My point is that there is little to no evidence that there IS a 'Sanders faction' in the Senate. As I said, he isn't a team player. Of the bills he's sponsored he doesn't get many co-sponsors and in all his time in the Senate only one of his bills became law [I don't count naming PO's].

I admit that Sanders had outsized input on the 2016 platform but since then, not so much. The Democratic Party encompassed some of Sanders' platform in 2016 and rejected the rest in 2020. 

IMHO, Republicans have lost their mandate to control the Senate by acting in a purely partisan manner since McConnell became Leader. I no longer believe that they have any desire to do what's right for the country at large. 

 
 
 
IMT
4.4.13  IMT  replied to  Dulay @4.4.4    4 weeks ago

Has he added a page to his campaign website? Last time I checked, there wasn't one.

 
 
 
Dulay
4.4.14  Dulay  replied to  IMT @4.4.13    4 weeks ago

A page for WHAT? 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
4.5  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  TᵢG @4    4 weeks ago
"Harris will no doubt run for PotUS at that time so I hope the Rs can muster up a decent candidate."

They could run a woman against a woman - Nikki Haley, although I'm sure Pompous Pompeo has his eye on it.

A way that Harris can win is for Biden to at least start a second term with Harris as VP, and THEN retire.  Wouldn't Harris be sworn in if that happens?  Then she could be the incumbent after that.

 
 
 
TᵢG
4.5.1  TᵢG  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4.5    4 weeks ago
A way that Harris can win is for Biden to at least start a second term ...

He would then have to again campaign and win ... four years older. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
4.5.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  TᵢG @4.5.1    4 weeks ago

It isn't impossible, says an 83 year old who can still recite the Greek alphabet by memory, and count backwards from 100.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
5  Hal A. Lujah    4 weeks ago

I’d like to see congress returned to rational thinking people, and the Jim Jordans of government neutered indefinitely.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
6  Dismayed Patriot    4 weeks ago

I'd like all the malfeasance from this current administration exposed. After Nixon resigned there was a slow steady stream of white house documents that revealed how truly corrupt his administration was and I believe we will find a similar snail trail of corruption leading right back to the lying slug President. Once he is completely exposed I think both criminal and civil prosecution should follow.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
6.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @6    4 weeks ago

From your fingertips to God's eyes.

 
 
 
Kathleen
7  Kathleen    4 weeks ago

I would like to see this country work together instead of working against each other. I am getting tired of the fighting back and forth. I am ready for a better future.

 
 
 
MUVA
7.1  MUVA  replied to  Kathleen @7    4 weeks ago

Americans work together everyday but some of us decided that everything has to be political from clean water to birth control and if you disagree with their positions you are a enemy where as some us just want to keep the money we earn and the government stay out our lives.

 
 
 
Tacos!
8  Tacos!    4 weeks ago

The best we can hope for is that dysfunctional Washington will just continue along as it has for years. People think it makes this massive difference who is in the White House, but I don't see it. In my opinion, our biggest problems are not in the White House or the Supreme Court, but in Congress.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
9  Bob Nelson    4 weeks ago

The first priority is to add three Justices to the Supreme Court. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
9.1  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @9    4 weeks ago
The first priority is to add three Justices to the Supreme Court.

Leave it to Democrats to screw up a good wetdream.

3 + 9 = 12.

Seems a SMARTER thing to do is to have an UNEVEN number of Justices to help eliminate any ties, but, hey, Democrats do what they do best, I suppose.

 
 
 
Sparty On
9.1.1  Sparty On  replied to  Texan1211 @9.1    4 weeks ago

Lol .... exactly.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
9.1.2  Bob Nelson  replied to  Texan1211 @9.1    4 weeks ago

An even number requires discussion. A straight up majority does not. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
9.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @9.1.2    4 weeks ago

Inefficient and silly.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
9.1.4  Bob Nelson  replied to  Texan1211 @9.1.3    4 weeks ago

Incisive argument... 

 
 
 
Texan1211
9.1.5  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @9.1.4    4 weeks ago

Too direct for you?

I have never heard another human even suggest it would be a good idea to have 12 Justices.

Gee, I wonder why?

 
 
 
Dulay
9.1.6  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @9.1    4 weeks ago

Well gee Tex, Lincoln was a pretty fucking smart guy and when he needed to shake up a partisan court he added only 1 Justice making it 10 members of the Court. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
9.1.7  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @9.1.6    4 weeks ago

So your posit is that it is smarter to have an even number of Justices?

BTW, intelligence doesn't equate to being right about everything all the time.

 
 
 
Dulay
9.1.8  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @9.1.7    4 weeks ago
So your posit is that it is smarter to have an even number of Justices?

I didn't present a posit Tex. 

BTW, intelligence doesn't equate to being right about everything all the time.

I merely addressed your prior post about what was smart with a historic fact Tex. I presume that the positive results of Lincoln's decision implies that it was right at the time. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
9.1.9  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @9.1.8    4 weeks ago
I didn't present a posit Tex. 

of course you didn't.

I merely addressed your prior post about what was smart with a historic fact Tex. I presume that the positive results of Lincoln's decision implies that it was right at the time

I think it monumentally stupid to suggest having an even number of Justices NOW.

Maybe you think it is smart.

 
 
 
Dulay
9.1.10  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @9.1.9    4 weeks ago
of course you didn't.

Glad we can finally agree on something. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
9.1.11  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @9.1.10    4 weeks ago

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Sean Treacy
9.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  Bob Nelson @9    4 weeks ago
The first priority is to add three Justices to the Supreme Cour

As any good dictator would do.  Can't have an independent judiciary standing in the way of the party, can we? 

If nothing else, you are quite open about your desire for a one party police state. I'll give you that. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
9.2.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  Sean Treacy @9.2    4 weeks ago

You're trying too hard, Sean. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
9.2.2  Sparty On  replied to  Bob Nelson @9.2.1    4 weeks ago

Nah, he's spot on.

 
 
 
Tessylo
9.2.3  Tessylo  replied to  Sparty On @9.2.2    4 weeks ago

Nah, he's not.

 
 
 
Sparty On
9.2.4  Sparty On  replied to  Tessylo @9.2.3    4 weeks ago

I agree, Bob is not spot on

 
 
 
Tacos!
9.3  Tacos!  replied to  Bob Nelson @9    4 weeks ago

Can't win the game, so change the rules. We see it over and over.

 
 
 
Tessylo
9.3.1  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @9.3    4 weeks ago
"Can't win the game, so change the rules. We see it over and over."

We sure do

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
10  Trout Giggles    4 weeks ago

What do I want...what do I want.....

I hope that if Biden wins and all the dirty stuff about trmp and his family come out that the ones who have been supporting this freak for the last 5 years finally pull their heads out of their asses and have a come to Jesus moment

 
 
 
MUVA
10.1  MUVA  replied to  Trout Giggles @10    4 weeks ago

You mean the 24/7 365 a year I hate Trump  news cycle democrat news media  hasn’t had enough time to expose the dirt on Trump for fuck sakes.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
11  Nerm_L    4 weeks ago

I only want to hope for something.  The 2020 election isn't offering much hope for anything.

 
 
 
MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)
11.1  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)  replied to  Nerm_L @11    4 weeks ago

Agreed.

 
 
 
MUVA
11.2  MUVA  replied to  Nerm_L @11    4 weeks ago

I don’t know if you are one that wants access to your fellow citizens wealth and Joe wins you may get what you hope for.

 
 
 
Kavika
11.2.1  Kavika   replied to  MUVA @11.2    4 weeks ago

I sure hope that he wins and increases the top rate back to 39.6%. Increase corporate taxes back to the prior level before the gift Trump gave them.

Plus increase the capital gains tax as well. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
11.2.2  Bob Nelson  replied to  Kavika @11.2.1    4 weeks ago

The optimal tax rate for all revenue is about 70%, according to Saez. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
11.2.3  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Kavika @11.2.1    4 weeks ago

I think estate tax should start at 1 million dollar estate value and climb increasingly as the estate size increases.  Let the kids actually work for a living instead of lazily spending what daddy or mommy earned from hard work and/or ingenuity. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
11.2.4  Bob Nelson  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @11.2.3    4 weeks ago

Put a cap on inheritance. A modest cap. Say $30 000.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
11.2.5  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Bob Nelson @11.2.4    4 weeks ago

What do you mean?  Tax would start at $30,000 and up?  Or by using the words "cap on inheritance" do you actually mean nobody can inherit more than $30,000 - That can't be what you mean.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
11.2.6  Bob Nelson  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @11.2.5    4 weeks ago
That can't be what you mean.

That's exactly what I mean. I won't quibble about the amount, but the idea is to eliminate silver spoons. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
11.2.7  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Bob Nelson @11.2.6    4 weeks ago

Well there are lots of ways around that - joint account, a trust, gifts during lifetime, etc.  Your concept would probably mean a person would be unable to inherit the family home, or a family farm or business. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
11.2.8  Bob Nelson  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @11.2.7    4 weeks ago

Obviously, I'm opposed to all tax breaks. The purpose of an inheritance tax should be - explicitly - to ensure that all children start at the same starting line.

Not incidentally... this would encourage everyone to move that starting-line-for-all as far forward as possible.

Likewise, I would eliminate private schooling. All children should go to the same schools. This would encourage all parents to make those schools the best possible. Imagine that: the ultra-rich and the poor, working together in the interest of all their children... 

 
 
 
MUVA
11.2.9  MUVA  replied to  Bob Nelson @11.2.8    4 weeks ago

Let me get this right I work my ass off MY WHOLE life and I don't get to decide where my money goes when I die fuck that.

 
 
 
MUVA
11.2.10  MUVA  replied to  Kavika @11.2.1    4 weeks ago

I hope you don't get your wish.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
11.2.11  Bob Nelson  replied to  MUVA @11.2.9    4 weeks ago

Your amassed fortune will go to ensure good lives for all children!

Isn't that wonderful? 

 
 
 
MUVA
11.2.12  MUVA  replied to  Bob Nelson @11.2.11    4 weeks ago

My fortune is going to my handicapped son so he doesn't end up in some government run shit hole halfway house.  

 
 
 
Sparty On
11.2.13  Sparty On  replied to  MUVA @11.2.12    4 weeks ago

Awesome!

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
11.2.14  Trout Giggles  replied to  Bob Nelson @11.2.6    4 weeks ago

I can't go  for that, Bob. If Daddy earned over a million dollars in his lifetime, he has earned the right to pass that money on to Sonny Boy (or daughter).

You can't do anything about silver spoons

 
 
 
MUVA
11.2.15  MUVA  replied to  Bob Nelson @11.2.8    4 weeks ago

My father a 88 almost  89 year old black man grew up in rural western Arkansa dirt poor joined the navy and went from enlisted to officer then ran a division  of a major corporation  and amassed wealth your saying he shouldn't have a choice of who to leave the money he earned to?He was hardly born with a silver spoon in his mouth my father never made more than 50 grand a year while I live with him I also had no silver spoon.

 
 
 
Sparty On
11.2.16  Sparty On  replied to  MUVA @11.2.15    4 weeks ago
He was hardly born with a silver spoon in his mouth my father never made more than 50 grand a year while I live with him I also had no silver spoon.

The fact remains that most of us didn't start with family money.  

It's kinda of funny that the people who were laughing at us for working our asses off to get ahead, while they were partying and spending everything they made, now think they deserve the money we earned working our asses off right?

If that happens in this country it is most definitely going to get very sporty out there.

Very sporty ......

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
11.2.17  Bob Nelson  replied to  MUVA @11.2.12    4 weeks ago

Alternatively, everyone's fortunes could be going to health-care so that there would be no more shit-hole halfway houses.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
11.2.18  Bob Nelson  replied to  Trout Giggles @11.2.14    4 weeks ago
You can't do anything about silver spoons

Particularly if you do not try...

 
 
 
MUVA
11.2.19  MUVA  replied to  Bob Nelson @11.2.17    4 weeks ago

Supposedly anyone that isn't a liberal democrat is a non educated welfare recipient why would the left need to change the tax code or inheritance tax you just need the caring liberals to get off their wallets. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
11.2.20  Bob Nelson  replied to  MUVA @11.2.19    4 weeks ago
Supposedly anyone that isn't a liberal democrat is a non educated welfare recipient...

According to whom? Could you give us a link? At least give us the name of someone who said this?

 
 
 
MUVA
11.2.21  MUVA  replied to  Bob Nelson @11.2.20    4 weeks ago

That is all you hear red states get the most welfare most non leftist are uneducated blue collar people whose jobs are gone none of that rings a bell.Why doesn't the  left along with all the big tec and cooperations just use the wealth they have to make change.I can tell you why the are a bunch of virtue signaling ass holes that want to controll all the money not fix problems because the money they need is their right in their own bank accounts.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
11.2.22  Bob Nelson  replied to  MUVA @11.2.21    4 weeks ago

original

 
 
 
MUVA
11.2.23  MUVA  replied to  Bob Nelson @11.2.22    4 weeks ago

Who receives the most benefits in those states at the top what is their party affiliation?So why do rich successful liberals need welfare receiving southerners and blue collar working people if they have all the successful smart people in their party.Why don’t they just solve the problem people like Bill Gates and his buddies have trillions in wealth why do they need the government to help the people they want.Obama is the perfect example he told us while president nobody needs millions to retire if he had that money he would help people well that mother fucker is filling his coffers first it appears then maybe after he buys another house the ass hole may finally help someone besides his bottom line.My wife decided to give her inheritance from her mom to autism speaking and Chesapeake bay academy a school for emotional challenged children we did this  on are own didn’t need the government involved.Just a side note my wife’s far left democrat step sister bought a car and house and went on several vacations.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
11.2.24  Bob Nelson  replied to  MUVA @11.2.23    4 weeks ago

... jeez, man... 

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
11.2.25  Colour Me Free  replied to  Bob Nelson @11.2.22    4 weeks ago

Federal Aid by State 2020

State Federal Funding Per Resident   Total Federal Funding Benefits Recipients Median Household Income
Virginia $10,301 $176.80 Bn 8.10% $71,535
Kentucky $9,145 $70.80 Bn 14.10% $48,375
New Mexico $8,692 $31.70 Bn 17.40% $46,744
West Virginia $7,283 $24.60 Bn 16.80% $43,469
Alaska $7,048 $13.00 Bn 10.80% $73,181
Mississippi $6,880 $37.80 Bn 15.30% $43,529
Alabama $6,694 $65.80 Bn 14.00% $48,123
Maryland $6,035 $105.10 Bn 10.30% $80,776
Maine $5,572 $17.40 Bn 12.80% $56,277
Hawaii $5,270 $19.90 Bn 10.70% $77,765
Arkansas $5,080 $35.10 Bn 11.80% $45,869
South Carolina $5,008 $59.70 Bn 12.30% $50,570
Arizona $4,430 $82.80 Bn 10.80% $56,581
Oklahoma $3,986 $45.10 Bn 13.20% $50,051
Missouri $3,949 $72.30 Bn 11.00% $53,578
Montana $3,808 $12.20 Bn 9.40% $53,386
Louisiana $3,785 $52.00 Bn 16.40% $46,145
Vermont $3,741 $8.00 Bn 11.50% $57,513
Tennessee $3,591 $76.30 Bn 13.50% $51,340
Idaho $3,428 $17.50 Bn 9.70% $52,225
North Carolina $3,358 $113.10 Bn 12.30% $52,752
Delaware $2,892 $11.50 Bn 10.40% $62,852
Ohio $2,750 $125.70 Bn 13.20% $54,021
Oregon $2,477 $45.70 Bn 15.40% $60,212
Michigan $2,474 $108.40 Bn 13.10% $54,909
Indiana $2,359 $67.80 Bn 9.30% $54,181
Pennsylvania $2,299 $155.80 Bn 12.90% $59,195
Georgia $2,253 $104.50 Bn 12.60% $56,183
Rhode Island $2,228 $12.60 Bn 15.40% $63,870
Florida $2,187 $237.70 Bn 13.60% $52,594
Kansas $1,983 $31.30 Bn 7.70% $56,422
South Dakota $1,409 $9.30 Bn 8.90% $56,521
Nevada $1,140 $28.70 Bn 12.20% $58,003
Iowa $1,105 $29.90 Bn 9.60% $58,570
Minnesota $959 $64.40 Bn 7.80% $68,388
Wyoming $670 $7.10 Bn 6.30% $60,434
Wisconsin $536 $55.40 Bn 10.60% $59,305
Texas $304 $269.00 Bn 12.00% $59,206
Utah $296 $23.90 Bn 6.80% $68,358
California $12 $436.10 Bn 8.90% $71,805
Colorado -$95 $57.50 Bn 7.60% $69,117
Nebraska -$164 $17.70 Bn 8.30% $59,970
Washington -$184 $80.50 Bn 12.30% $70,979
New Hampshire -$234 $15.00 Bn 7.00% $73,381
Illinois -$364 $131.80 Bn 12.90% $62,992
North Dakota -$720 $7.90 Bn 6.30% $61,843
New York -$1,792 $220.60 Bn 14.80% $64,894
Massachusetts -$2,343 $78.70 Bn 11.70% $77,385
New Jersey -$2,368 $97.70 Bn 8.90% $80,088
Connecticut -$4,000 $41.10 Bn 12.00% $74,168

Second link breaks the federal aid down further by state

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
11.2.26  Bob Nelson  replied to  Colour Me Free @11.2.25    4 weeks ago

Interesting 

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
12  Paula Bartholomew    4 weeks ago

I want to see the militia groups who support Trump with threats, intimidation, and physical violence be classified as domestic terrorists.  Then ship them off to Sheriff Joe's tent city prison or Gitmo.

 
 
 
MUVA
12.1  MUVA  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @12    4 weeks ago

I want to see every democrat that burned and looted cities the real terrorist drought to justice.

 
 
 
Dulay
12.1.1  Dulay  replied to  MUVA @12.1    4 weeks ago

So you want to give the Republicans a pass? 

 
 
 
MUVA
12.1.2  MUVA  replied to  Dulay @12.1.1    4 weeks ago

If you could find any them too.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
13  Jeremy Retired in NC    4 weeks ago
WHAT DO YOU HOPE WILL HAPPEN AFTER THE ELECTION ?
  1. Biden gets the point that, after his 3rd attempt at being President, we don't think he is capable of running a TV remote let alone a country..
  2. The left grows up, accepts the results of the election (OK I know it's wishful thinking.  They still haven't accepted that from the 2016 election)
  3. Democrats "Brown Shirts" are rounded up and given residency at Gitmo with the other terrorists.
 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
14  Mark in Wyoming     4 weeks ago

WHAT DO YOU HOPE WILL HAPPEN AFTER THE ELECTION ?

I hope i am wrong , its that simple .

I have had the feeling now for a couple of months that no matter whom wins or loses the election, the time from election day on past inauguration will be the most dangerous times this nation has ever experienced in its history  with division and strife.

I just hope i am wrong.

 
 
 
Snuffy
14.1  Snuffy  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @14    4 weeks ago

Did you read the story about how the NYPD is talking with ultra-rich and the building owners for the luxury buildings in Manhattan about hiring guards for the post-election period?  Some of those stories are just crazy,  like any dystopian novel...   oy

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
14.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @14    4 weeks ago

Mark,

I hope you are, too!

 
 
 
Gordy327
15  Gordy327    4 weeks ago

I wouldn't mind Covid being brought under control for starters.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
15.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Gordy327 @15    4 weeks ago

That would be a good start.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
15.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Gordy327 @15    4 weeks ago

I don't think whoever wins the election will have as much to do with that as it would with there being a universal adherence to the necessary guidelines.  It's up to the people to comply and whoever is POTUS is not going to be able to change the insistence of individual rights and freedoms taking precedence over common sense and a genuine desire not to endanger others.  I'll bet there won't be a universality to being vaccinated either. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
15.2.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @15.2    4 weeks ago

I know this may not be appreciated by many here, but I believe that if America and China could stop the conflict both countries and the people within them would benefit greatly from the cooperation.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
15.2.2  Bob Nelson  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @15.2.1    4 weeks ago

I agree... but China has a huge advantage: it can direct "private" investment to national goals, while American corporations are dispersed. The best example is "reshoring". It would be in the best interest of America and Americans... but not of any particular American corporation. So it won't happen.

Meanwhile, Chinese companies build the Silk Road. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
15.2.3  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Bob Nelson @15.2.2    4 weeks ago

America is so fucking paranoid about the possibility of becoming "Number 2" instead of "Number 1" that its antics in cutting its ties, blocking anything Chinese and running around the world trying to get other countries to support it are not just hysterical, but they are beoming hilarious.  If this was all to gain support for Trump's election, what's going to happen when he loses?

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
15.2.4  Bob Nelson  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @15.2.3    4 weeks ago

A significant portion of the American people put their confidence in a carnaval barker. They were foolish, and now they of course don't want to recognize their foolishness. 

Who knows what they'll do now.. M

 
 
 
MUVA
15.2.5  MUVA  replied to  Bob Nelson @15.2.4    4 weeks ago

I bet they go to work the next day so democrats can tax the shit out of them to buy votes.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
15.2.6  Bob Nelson  replied to  MUVA @15.2.5    4 weeks ago
I bet

Who's your bookie?

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
15.2.7  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @15.2.3    4 weeks ago

Thanks to Trump, Number 2 would be a step up.

 
 
 
Sparty On
15.3  Sparty On  replied to  Gordy327 @15    4 weeks ago

Best wish i've read here so far.

Something we all can agree on.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
16  Perrie Halpern R.A.    4 weeks ago

I would love it if everyone could stop looking past their partisan rhetoric, and realize that both parties are flawed. That would be a good start. Also, I would like a third party would hold all accountable (most western countries do have more than 1 party). 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
16.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @16    4 weeks ago

The "first past the post" electoral method doesn't allow third parties. Countries that really want greater variety in their electoral results always use some more sophisticated method. There are many. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
16.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @16    4 weeks ago

Canada's third party, which is at least of a decent size to be viable, is the socialist New Democratic Party.  It presently keeps Trudeau afloat by forming a coalition with his Liberal Party, but it can make demands in that circumstance.  The New Democratic Party just won the election for the Province of British Columbia.  There was a time a while back that even Ontario was governed by the NDP for a while.  It was because of the pedecessor to the federal NDP party that Canada enjoys single-payer universal health care. 

 
 
 
Dulay
17  Dulay    4 weeks ago
  1. That Trump finds a modicum of empathy for the country he will be leading until the morning of January 20, 2021 and does everything in his power to help President elect Biden hit the ground running.

  2. That President elect Biden introduces his pandemic team at a press conference and have them tell the American people and state governors what they can do NOW to mitigate the damage already done and explain what the first steps will be on day one to control the virus until a vaccine can immunize enough people around the world.

  3. That President elect Biden announces his Cabinet and has them begin to prepare Defense Production Act orders to key manufacturers and in a press conference requests that Trump consider implementing those orders ASAP.
  4. That President elect Biden releases the outline of a funding bill to address the Covid crisis and instructs the Democratic majority leaders to have a bill ready to pass in the first week of his Presidency. If the Democratic Majority in the Senate has to revoke the Cloture rule to get that done, so be it.

  5. That President elect Biden releases the Executive Order that he intends to sign on January 20, 2021 that instructs all executive branch employees to retain any and all documents and correspondents and informs them that anyone who is found to have destroyed or removed such documentation will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law by his DOJ.
  6. That President elect Biden releases the Executive Order that he intends to sign on January 20, 2021 that mandates masks in all Federal facilities and by all federal employees all over the world and requests that Federal employees take that action preemptively to protect themselves and their co-workers.
 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
17.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Dulay @17    4 weeks ago

I can see the possibility of all of those save for the first one.  But then there is a member here who is going to ask me about my crystal ball.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
17.2  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Dulay @17    4 weeks ago

7.  Drains the swamp, starting with Barr.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
18  Buzz of the Orient    4 weeks ago

I hope there will be no more Covid-19.

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Happy Hallowe'en

 
 
 
Kathleen
19  Kathleen    4 weeks ago

This morning as I was making coffee, I heard two people yelling at each other across the street. One has Trump signs up the other has Biden signs up. The one with the Biden sign was yelling F you to the other lady, both are women. Now a police car just pulled up to the house with the Biden sign.  I thought it was two teenagers at first, but some people act like this as adults. 

This is the kind of thing that needs to stop. This is why I will be glad when the election is over.

 
 
 
Sparty On
19.1  Sparty On  replied to  Kathleen @19    4 weeks ago

Exactly what anarchist pricks want.  

Words mean nothing really and I have a DNE (do not engage) rule in that regard unless someone tries to directly mess with me and/or mines persons or property.

Me and mine ..... this i will defend.  

 
 
 
Kathleen
19.1.1  Kathleen  replied to  Sparty On @19.1    4 weeks ago

Not sure, but I think the lady with the Trump signs called the police on her.  Nice show this morning.. lol.. but sad in reality. I didn’t put any signs up, I never do, I figure it’s my own business who I vote for. 

So it looks like I got two neighbors across the street that hate each other. I get along fine with both of them.  Staying out of it.

 
 
 
Sparty On
19.1.2  Sparty On  replied to  Kathleen @19.1.1    4 weeks ago
Staying out of it.

The wise move .....

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
19.2  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Kathleen @19    4 weeks ago

It sounds like another case of Karens gone wild.

 
 
 
Kathleen
19.2.1  Kathleen  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @19.2    4 weeks ago

Everyone named Karen should sue.

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
19.2.2  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Kathleen @19.2.1    3 weeks ago
Everyone named Karen should sue.

that's what karens do 

LOL ;)

 
 
 
PJ
20  PJ    4 weeks ago

After the election I hope that I don't hear from or about the President unless there is something significant for him to communicate.  

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
20.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  PJ @20    4 weeks ago

is something significant for him to communicate

He hasn't done that in four years so don't expect it to ever happen.

 
 
 
PJ
20.1.1  PJ  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @20.1    4 weeks ago

Exactly.  That's why my hope is Biden will be elected so we don't have to continue this reality show.  The media has only helped keep it going for four seasons. 

 
 
 
Kathleen
21  Kathleen    4 weeks ago

The battle of the signs. Across the street.

384

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
21.1  Colour Me Free  replied to  Kathleen @21    4 weeks ago

Hello B ...

Great view for you .. not!  Hopefully come [insert date the election results will be announced] the neighborhood will get back to normal [whatever normal is] .. thankfully in my area no one puts up political signs.

I am with you, votes are a private thing .. I admit I did not vote for a presidential candidate and voted a mixed ticket, but that is as far as it goes  : )

 
 
 
Kathleen
21.1.1  Kathleen  replied to  Colour Me Free @21.1    4 weeks ago

Lol... it’s crazy... I didn’t put signs up, just some ghosts for Halloween.  The important thing is that you did what you wanted : )

I will be so glad when this is over too.

Happy Halloween and you have a nice day girl.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
21.1.2  Colour Me Free  replied to  Kathleen @21.1.1    4 weeks ago
I will be so glad when this is over too.

Amen!  

If it actually gets over in our lifetime ... no matter who wins the other side will contest!  

Happy Halloween ... you are so Martha Stewart 'esque .. decorating and hosting --- this pandemic has to be hard for you... Take care of you  : )

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
22  The Magic Eight Ball    3 weeks ago

after joe loses,   I hope joe will still focus on mobilizing trueinternationalunderpressure.     as any failure to mobilize trueinternationalunderpressure in the next 5yrs would be devastating to our society as a whole.

 
 
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