The 600 Dollar Direct Payment To Americans

  

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By:  john-russell  •  one month ago  •  180 comments

The 600 Dollar Direct Payment To Americans
But there is an ideological component to all this. "Fiscal conservatives" are worried about the addition to the national debt. I heard that Joe Manchin, a senator from West Virginia who represents one of the poorest states in the country , got into a "heated exchange" with Sen. Bernie sanders yesterday over the prospect of giving individual Americans 600 dollars each.

Some interesting tidbits about the recently "announced" direct payment to middle and lower income Americans ( it is believed that approval for these 600 dollar checks to individuals will occur in the next day or two as part of the new covid relief bill). 

Stimulus checks for "all" were thought to be a dead issue as the weeks before the holiday break by Congress rolled by, but it was revived, apparently successfully, by mainly, Bernie Sanders and the freshman Republican senator Josh Hawley of Missouri. 

As the deadline drew near, reports are that Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell gave his blessing to the direct checks because he had grown fearful about the effect the issue was having on the special senate elections in Georgia. Kelly Loeffler , one of the GOP candidates in Georgia, was reportedly tongue tied when asked in a debate to give a sum of money she was willing to approve to send to those economically suffering because of the pandemic economy. McConnell knows that most people are willing to spend (as a nation) a few hundred billion dollars to help struggling people. 

But there is an ideological component to all this. "Fiscal conservatives" are worried about the addition to the national debt. I heard that Joe Manchin, a senator from West Virginia who represents one of the poorest states in the country , got into a "heated exchange" with Sen. Bernie Sanders yesterday over the prospect of giving individual Americans 600 dollars each. Manchin reportedly told Sanders that the bill should include extended unemployment insurance OR the 600 dollar stimulus checks, BUT NOT BOTH.   And Manchin is a Democrat. But he wants to be "fiscally responsible". I also heard that some Republicans involved in the discussions of the covid relief plan wanted to make it so individuals could accept unemployment insurance payments or they could accept the 600 dollars stimulus check, but not both. They called it "double dipping" to accept both. 

The truth is that , McConnell's worries about Georgia aside, conservatives have a gnawing fear here. Direct payments from the government to individual citizens have the opening spark of a Universal Basic Income  movement in them, or so some conservatives think. The government of the United States is set up to help business and part of helping business is convincing workers that they owe their livelihood to the benevolence of corporations and consumerism. Some conservatives and others who are "fiscally conservative" would rather see some Americans starve, or at least suffer want, rather than use the government to disperse an element of universal economic sustenance to the population. 

That's fine, everyone should work, and our national ethic at this time needs to be to require the able bodied to work. But what is going to happen over the next 60-80 years, as many tens of millions of jobs are permanently lost to artificial intelligence and automation?

Are gimmicks like Bitcoin going to prevent poverty and income inequality or exacerbate it ? 


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JohnRussell
1  author  JohnRussell    one month ago

IMO, if it is one or the other, we should cut the defense budget in half in order to see the nation through the economic crisis associated with the pandemic. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @1    one month ago

What half of the defense budget would you like to cut?

We could start by bringing ALL the troops and support personnel home now

Remember, left wing governors and mayors are responsible for the millions and millions of lost jobs, especially small business jobs, many permanently, because of the misguided and ineffective lock downs.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
1.1.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1    one month ago

Cut it across the board. Our country is not under military threat. The defense budget is a stimulus to the defense industry. 

 
 
 
bugsy
1.1.2  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.1    one month ago
Our country is not under military threat.

Because we have a presence around the world and is a deterrence to that threat. If the left got their way and drastically cut the military budget, we would be under threat every day.

Do you really want that?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
1.1.3  author  JohnRussell  replied to  bugsy @1.1.2    one month ago
If the left got their way and drastically cut the military budget, we would be under threat every day.

From who? 

The US military mainly exists to protect US business interests around the world, to make it safe for American companies to successfully pursue their business interests and profits in markets in other countries. This has always been the case and it will always be the case in the future. Let the business monopolies and conglomerates pay for that protection rather than the American taxpayer. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
1.1.4  Split Personality  replied to  bugsy @1.1.2    one month ago

Seems like our huge investments in physical deterrents could not stop hackers  from breaking into hundreds

or thousands of

government computers and businesses.

Perhaps the Administration is putting the wrong emphasis in the wrong departments.

As for the stimulus checks, they should be seen as an investment in our own blue collar engine.

 
 
 
bugsy
1.1.5  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.3    one month ago
The US military mainly exists to protect US business interests around the world, to make it safe for American companies to successfully pursue their business interests and profits in markets in other countries. This has always been the case and it will always be the case in the future.

Uh, no....

Maybe you need to speak to someone who actually served their country....

Wait a minute...here I am

I can assure you I was not deployed to protect business interests exclusively. Of course business interests are protected because of the presence of US Forces. All over the world we have forces stationed to keep certain threats in check.

We are in Europe because of a potential Russia threat, however, it may be a bit outdated. That's why Trump is pulling troops out of Germany. However forces stationed in the middle east is a deterrent to Iran, especially now that they are a nuclear power. We are not there for specific businesses, but to mainly be a deterrent from Iran in blocking the straits of Hormuz when they have a hissy fit. If you are unaware, those Straits are detrimental to the world's economies as a major hub for the world's oil....with the exception to the US, thanks to President Trump.

Forces are in Southeast Asia to counter the China and North Korea threat. The China threat is growing every day. You may not know that because CNN and MSDNC does not tell you, but I can assure you, it is real.

 
 
 
bugsy
1.1.6  bugsy  replied to  Split Personality @1.1.4    one month ago
Seems like our huge investments in physical deterrents could not stop hackers  from breaking into hundreds

or thousands of

government computers and businesses.

Physical deterrents have nothing to do with cyber threats. That is dealt with through other entities.

As far as your stimulus check remark, don't know why you said that to me, as I agree. Don't know where you have gotten any other message.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
1.1.7  author  JohnRussell  replied to  bugsy @1.1.5    one month ago

Are Russia or China going to militarily attack the US ?  Not a chance. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
1.1.8  author  JohnRussell  replied to  bugsy @1.1.5    one month ago

The main reason the US military is a worldwide presence is to protect American interests. These are largely business interests. I dont consider this to be even worth debating. 

If business wants a huge military costing a trillion dollars a year, they can put up a huge chunk of the money it costs.

 
 
 
Split Personality
1.1.9  Split Personality  replied to  bugsy @1.1.6    one month ago
Physical deterrents have nothing to do with cyber threats. That is dealt with through other entities.

And my comment was meant to point out that we are spending our money in the wrong arenas.

As far as your stimulus check remark, don't know why you said that to me, as I agree. Don't know where you have gotten any other message.

(A)  I am free to express myself to you without you needing to feel that there is an adversarial relationship afoot.

(B)  My point was that much of that money could be spent on stimulus with a better return.

(C)  Glad we agree, once again.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
1.1.10  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  bugsy @1.1.5    one month ago
"...but I can assure you, it is real."

Who tells you?

 
 
 
bugsy
1.1.11  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.7    one month ago
Are Russia or China going to militarily attack the US ?  Not a chance.

Not directly, no, but our presence helps with avoiding proxy wars with them.

Maybe if you had an understanding of how our military works and why we are where we are, you may have a coherent argument.

 
 
 
bugsy
1.1.12  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.8    one month ago
I dont consider this to be even worth debating. 

It seems that every time you know you are losing a debate, you put something like this up.

 
 
 
bugsy
1.1.13  bugsy  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.1.10    one month ago
Who tells you?

Well, not CNN and MSDNC because they want Russia to be the boogy man.

Not my problem that you live in the country that is ground zero to wanting to dominate the world economically and eventually militarily, and not seeing the truth.

I advise you to not watch CCP sanctioned news anymore. However, they probably tell the truth more than CNN or MSDNC.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
1.1.14  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  bugsy @1.1.13    4 weeks ago

Oh I watch everything from Fox News to China Global Television Network, and maybe the truth lies somewhere in between, but then I'll bet you've never even been to China so when it comes to China I have a feeling that what I know from my own experiences about China might be just a little more accurate than what you know from your own lack of experience.  That is why I discount it when anyone who has never been to China and only knows it from what they read from their favourite biased sources or what Mr. blame-anyone-else Trump tells them tells me what I should believe. 

 
 
 
Gazoo
1.1.15  Gazoo  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.3    4 weeks ago

“Let the business monopolies and conglomerates pay for that protection rather than the American taxpayer.”

so you don’t want the American taxpayer to pay for protection for American business, but you’re ok with the American taxpayer paying more than their fair share of nato?
How about the paris accord? The American taxpayer would’ve been paying for countries that could afford to pay their own way in that shitty deal.

 
 
 
MAGA
1.1.16  MAGA  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.3    4 weeks ago

We did all that in our earlier days even when we weren’t the #1 economic or military power.  We always had a navy and marines.  It’s our duty to protect American businesses and persons around the world.  Even if we withdrew ground and air bases from foreign nations around the world our forward bases in Guam and Diego Garcia would remain as would the need for a blue water navy 2nd to none.  

 
 
 
MAGA
1.1.17  MAGA  replied to  Split Personality @1.1.9    4 weeks ago

Well as cyber security goes, it is being up graded and is being expanded along with a hardening of our infrastructure vs EMP solar or otherwise as a part of our one year old Space Force and its guardians.  

 
 
 
Split Personality
1.1.18  Split Personality  replied to  MAGA @1.1.17    4 weeks ago

Don't you get any news in Jefferson?  Do they just deliver Trump talking points to your house?

All sides, all agencies and all Departments of Trump's administration including the office of the President have been being hacked since March 2020 without our knowledge...including Space Farce.

That's not what one would describe as an upgrade or expansion. That's called marketing bull shit to the sheep.

The 'Guardians'?  What a set up for failure.

32 more days of this dysfunction.

 
 
 
Gordy327
1.1.19  Gordy327  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1    4 weeks ago

Bringing the troops home is a great idea and I'll bet the troops would be thrilled to be home too. We could cut defense spending by half and still have the largest military budget in the world. The remining budget can be used to focus on military maintenance and research & development. The remaining funds can be reallocated for needed things like imprint infrastructure, education, healthcare, and science. Expanding such projects will help generate new jobs too.

 
 
 
MAGA
1.1.20  MAGA  replied to  Split Personality @1.1.18    4 weeks ago

This particular Russian hack was spotted and is being addressed within weeks of launch while a similar Russian hack lasted for years during the Obama/Biden regime.  

 
 
 
Ronin2
1.1.21  Ronin2  replied to  Split Personality @1.1.18    4 weeks ago

Maybe if our not so intelligent intelligence agencies weren't concentrating on investigating a politician running for office, and then trying to get him removed from office; they would have time for little things like counter espionage and protecting the government and businesses associated with it from cyber attacks.

My only wish is that those with TDS would get over it in 32 days; but the way they are reacting it will be 8 years or longer before Trump isn't living rent free in their minds.

The only thing we will hear from Biden and his sheeple is, "But Trruuummmmppppp!!!!!!".

In case you missed it, China not Russia is the #1 threat to the US. You know the country the Democrats are literally in bed with!

 
 
 
Split Personality
1.1.22  Split Personality  replied to  Ronin2 @1.1.21    4 weeks ago

Well from that ( typical ) biased rant,

I can assure you that I don't need to get over anything.

I know our various agencies are doing the same thing to every other country on earth, friend or foe, 24/7.

That's one reason the reaction has been downplayed as not earth shattering, just embarrassing.

In case you missed it, China not Russia is the #1 threat to the US. You know the country the Democrats are literally in bed with!

Statements like that just ensure moderates & centrists that you have gone over the deep end and aren't worth the time to engage.

Butt Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush et al /s

smh

 
 
 
dennis smith
1.1.23  dennis smith  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.1.10    4 weeks ago

Every POTUS and Congress since WW2 has.

 
 
 
dennis smith
1.1.24  dennis smith  replied to  bugsy @1.1.12    4 weeks ago

Spot on bugsy

 
 
 
Split Personality
1.1.25  Split Personality  replied to  MAGA @1.1.20    4 weeks ago
This particular Russian hack was spotted and is being addressed within weeks of launch

The kindest thing I can ask is this.

Where are you getting your news?  This particular hack has been going on since March of 2020 - we find in retrospect, and was discovered by one of the private services "like Norton" that the Orion software updates from Solarwinds have been compromised since March of 2020.

Trojan horses named Sunburst and Teardrops have been granting themselves Admin privileges and passwords throughout our government and corporate computers, the most serious breach - ever.

while a similar Russian hack lasted for years during the Obama/Biden regime.  

I am sure you can produce links to support that incredible statement./s 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
1.1.26  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  dennis smith @1.1.23    4 weeks ago
"Every POTUS and Congress since WW2 has."

What exactly IS the threat?  If anyone thinks China is going to attack the USA they need to be put in a strait jacket in a padded cell. Do you think China is going to turn America into a Communist country?  Or are Americans actually concerned that China is going to 'RULE THE WORLD?  Seriously, what are Americans scared of?

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.1.27  Tessylo  replied to  bugsy @1.1.5    4 weeks ago
"Maybe you need to speak to someone who actually served their country.... Wait a minute...here I am"

I don't believe it.

 
 
 
MrFrost
1.1.28  MrFrost  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1    3 weeks ago
What half of the defense budget would you like to cut?

512

 
 
 
Drakkonis
1.1.29  Drakkonis  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.1    3 weeks ago
Our country is not under military threat.

It most certainly is. You've heard of Russia and China, haven't you? China is trying to gobble up as much of the South China Sea as they possibly can. That is of vital interest to us. And Russia is forging military ties to China. 

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
1.2  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  JohnRussell @1    one month ago

We could also save money if Trump is banned from golf until he is thrown out.  He has cost us approx 141 million in 4 years.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
1.2.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @1.2    one month ago

If he had to pay green fees at golf courses, that amount could have doubled.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
1.2.2  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.2.1    4 weeks ago

I believe he did courtesy of the taxpayers and the money went right into his pockets.  He only plays at his own resorts in order to stick us with the bill.

 
 
 
Ronin2
1.2.3  Ronin2  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @1.2    4 weeks ago

Right, and Obama, Bush Jr, and Clinton cost us nothing.

Travel and vacation expenses only seem to be a problem when the party someone is not in favor of is in charge.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
1.2.4  Ozzwald  replied to  Ronin2 @1.2.3    4 weeks ago
Right, and Obama, Bush Jr, and Clinton cost us nothing. Travel and vacation expenses only seem to be a problem when the party someone is not in favor of is in charge.

Trump has spent 293 days golfing as of 12/22/2020.  That is almost 1/4 of his entire time as POTUS.

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Krishna
1.3  Krishna  replied to  JohnRussell @1    3 weeks ago
we should cut the defense budget in half in order to see the nation through the economic crisis associated with the pandemic. 

Exactly!

And no one is more aware of that than President Trump. Which is why he vetoed the Defense Bill.

(Never mind half measures,such as cutting it in half-- in his great wisdom, Trump didn't mere cut it in half... he vetoed the entire thing!!! jrSmiley_4_smiley_image.png )

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
2  Bob Nelson    one month ago

 
 
 
freepress
3  freepress    one month ago

How the Grinch Stole Christmas, chapter 2020. The GOP is the party of Grinch, they absolutely did not ever read A Christmas Carol or if they did they rejected it's true meaning. To obstruct the process in order that more hand outs are given to corporations instead of equal monthly payments to Americans who need to survive is just the most Un-Christian, immoral and hateful thing imaginable. They are continuing to use their power to wield favor to corporations over helping their own constituents who put them in office. Every single one of them deserves to lose their seat in government and every single one of them needs to be haunted by the ghosts of Covid lives lost and the ghost of Jacob Marley. The chains they are forging in this life hopefully follow them for the horrible things they have done.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  freepress @3    one month ago

Well put freepress. 

 
 
 
Ender
3.2  Ender  replied to  freepress @3    one month ago

When I read things like Joel Ostten and his church got over 4 million.

Yeah, something smells rotten.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
4  Hal A. Lujah    one month ago

I’m still trying to figure out how $600 is going to help people who are months behind in their rent and bills because of the pandemic.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @4    one month ago

I saw a segment on this on a show this morning. How did they land on 600 dollars?  The Republicans had put a ceiling on how much in total they were wiling to spend in this bill. It was 900 billion. When negotiations to provide aid to the cities and states fell through they simply took the amount that was going to be spent on the cities and states (out of the 900 billion) and divided it by the number of Americans who would be eligible for the stimulus. That is where the 600 figure comes from. It has nothing to do with need or expectations of actual stimulus to the economy. 

 
 
 
dennis smith
4.1.1  dennis smith  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1    4 weeks ago

Blame the Dems for not making it $1200, all they needed to do was accept a cut elsewhere in the bill. 

 
 
 
Krishna
4.1.2  Krishna  replied to  dennis smith @4.1.1    3 weeks ago

Blame the Dems

There you go again with your DDS!

I assume you've seen this?

GOP Blocks House Democrats’ Attempt To Pass $2,000 Stimulus Checks

 
 
 
Ender
4.2  Ender  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @4    one month ago

600 would not even pay a months rent in most places around here.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
4.2.1  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Ender @4.2    one month ago

It barely covers a weeks rent in the Northern Virginia / Maryland / DC region.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
4.2.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  Ender @4.2    one month ago

I don't think it's designed to. I think it's a feel good measure by Congress so that people can have a Christmas meal...and if people are buying goods, they are stimulating the economy.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
4.3  r.t..b...  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @4    one month ago

Nothing more than a band-aid applied to a gaping wound. The true pandemic is on the horizon...those facing  eviction from the only thing they work the hardest to secure...a safe harbor of a roof under their heads...a home.

 
 
 
dennis smith
4.4  dennis smith  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @4    4 weeks ago

Check with those who approve the stimulus. Both parties are guilty.

 
 
 
Kathleen
4.4.1  Kathleen  replied to  dennis smith @4.4    3 weeks ago

True, they both must have come to an agreement on it.

 
 
 
Krishna
4.4.2  Krishna  replied to  dennis smith @4.4    3 weeks ago
Both parties are guilty.

Correct!

House Republicans on Thursday blocked a Democratic attempt to pass $2,000 direct payments t o Americans..

 
 
 
Kathleen
4.5  Kathleen  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @4    3 weeks ago

Not at all, just some immediate groceries, that's about it.

 
 
 
Sunshine
5  Sunshine    one month ago
 I heard that Joe Manchin, a senator from West Virginia who represents one of the poorest states in the country , got into a "heated exchange" with Sen. Bernie sanders yesterday over the prospect of giving individual Americans 600 dollars each.

Was it Sanders who didn't want the $600.00 payments?

Because I was listening to Rep Ellisa Slotkin on my drive to work this morning and she said that it was her Democrat colleagues holding up the $600.00 payment that Trump proposed.

Where is your link for the quote John?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
5.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Sunshine @5    one month ago

You are correct. Bernie didn't want the $600. He wanted the $1,200 as was previously disbursed............if I remember correctly from articles in the last week or so.

 
 
 
Sunshine
5.1.1  Sunshine  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @5.1    one month ago

aah..got it

 
 
 
JohnRussell
5.2  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Sunshine @5    one month ago

The Republicans set a 900 billion dollar limit, which Manchin wants to adhere to. Sanders, and the Republican Hawley, wonder what is sacrosanct about the 900 billion figure?   Maybe you can tell us. If the negotiation over the relief to cities and states hadnt fallen through, there wouldnt be any individual stimulus checks at all. Why not?  Trump was supposedly willing to give people thousands of dollars each in tax cuts (although the great majority of the benefit went to the wealthy), but the GOP in congress are not willing to add to the covid relief total? Why not?

 
 
 
Sunshine
5.2.1  Sunshine  replied to  JohnRussell @5.2    one month ago

Do you have a link or not?

I would like to read it for myself.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
5.2.2  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Sunshine @5.2.1    one month ago

Google Bernie Sanders Joe Manchin

 
 
 
Sunshine
5.2.3  Sunshine  replied to  JohnRussell @5.2.2    one month ago
Google Bernie Sanders Joe Manchin

Your quote in your seed is misleading..

Multiple aides  told the   Post  that tensions flared specifically between Sens. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and Joe Manchin (D-W.V.), who reportedly got into a heated exchange over how big stimulus checks should be. Checks were initially left out of the $900 billion proposal before reportedly being added as part of a compromise. Sanders  argued  for more robust direct payments, while Manchin advocated for a lower amount, instead preferring to emphasize unemployment benefits.

Bernie Sanders and Joe Manchin reportedly fight on conference call over stimulus checks (yahoo.com)

 
 
 
JohnRussell
5.2.4  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Sunshine @5.2.3    one month ago

I disagree. 

 
 
 
dennis smith
5.2.5  dennis smith  replied to  JohnRussell @5.2    4 weeks ago

See 4.1.1 and you have the answer

 
 
 
dennis smith
5.2.6  dennis smith  replied to  Sunshine @5.2.3    4 weeks ago

Facts are not easily accepted by some.

 
 
 
Krishna
5.2.7  Krishna  replied to  dennis smith @5.2.6    3 weeks ago
Facts are not easily accepted by some.

Wow-- you can say that again!

 
 
 
Sunshine
6  Sunshine    one month ago

And wasn't it Pelosi who held the package up for weeks until China Joe was elected?

 
 
 
bugsy
6.1  bugsy  replied to  Sunshine @6    one month ago

Yup...she said so herself.

 
 
 
Sunshine
6.1.1  Sunshine  replied to  bugsy @6.1    one month ago
Yup...she said so herself.

Yep she did.  Let them eat cake...

 
 
 
Ronin2
6.1.2  Ronin2  replied to  Sunshine @6.1.1    4 weeks ago

But she was doing it for the good of all of us./S

Wonder how much China gave to her "reelection fund"?  Not that she needs it with the district she represents.

The Democrats don't care about us any more than the Republicans do. The media just gives them better PR; and hides their short comings- until Democrats open their mouths that is.

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.2  Tessylo  replied to  Sunshine @6    one month ago

No it wasn't Pelosi, it was your 'president' [deleted.]  

 
 
 
Greg Jones
6.2.1  Greg Jones  replied to  Tessylo @6.2    one month ago

Wrong again tessylo...she's settling for less than she could have gotten months ago.

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.2.2  Tessylo  replied to  Greg Jones @6.2.1    one month ago

No, I am correct, AGAIN.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
6.2.3  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Greg Jones @6.2.1    one month ago
she's settling for less than she could have gotten months ago

Wrong. In October Republicans were still stuck at $500 billion. For those familiar with math, $900 billion is nearly double that.

 
 
 
bugsy
6.2.4  bugsy  replied to  Tessylo @6.2    one month ago

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Ronin2
6.2.5  Ronin2  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @6.2.3    4 weeks ago

Wrong again. Pelosi blamed the White House for her unwillingness to negotiate. She wanted things in the bill not even remotely connected to Covid 19 relief.

President Trump has sent mixed signals about the next round of relief. Earlier this month, the president effectively killed discussions on a broader stimulus package, stating it would only come until "after I win" the election. Then he reversed course and urged Congress to approve piecemeal coronavirus relief measures he would sign, including a new round of $1,200 stimulus checks for Americans.

I know Public education sucks; but $1,200 is double $600.

After the election Pelosi changed her tune. No surprise, she is now concerned about fixing things for China Joe Biden's entrance to the White House.

After six months spent pushing for a more-than $2 trillion coronavirus stimulus package, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) is fine with something smaller.

Earlier this week, a team of bipartisan lawmakers unveiled a $908 billion coronavirus relief. It's smaller than the $1.5 trillion deal the House's bipartisan Problem Solvers Caucus drew up in September, and yet this time around, President-elect Joe Biden's win and forthcoming coronavirus vaccines have Pelosi ready to accept it.

Pelosi went on to explain that she had held out for a bigger bill with longer-lasting provisions before she knew who would be the next president — essentially, she thought she wouldn't get a second chance at a stimulus package if President Trump was re-elected. But with "a president who recognizes that we need to depend on science to stop the virus" and that "America's families need to have money in their pockets," Pelosi said she was confident she could work out many more smaller relief provisions in the future.

Democrats motto, "Never let a good crisis go to waste." Especially if they can manufacture one themselves.

 
 
 
 
dennis smith
6.2.6  dennis smith  replied to  Ronin2 @6.2.5    4 weeks ago

Darn those facts that show Pelosi for what she is. An old hag who needs no longer cares about the American people.

 
 
 
dennis smith
6.2.7  dennis smith  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @6.2.3    4 weeks ago

Neither party negotiated in good faith until their holiday plans were in jeopardy. 

(Pelosi went down over $1 trillion and the Repubs went up $400 billion.)   

 
 
 
MrFrost
7  MrFrost    one month ago

McConnell is all for throwing billions of dollars at any big business for any reason... but as soon as working class Americans need money to get by? "Well we cannot afford it!!!". 

Typical. 

 
 
 
dennis smith
7.1  dennis smith  replied to  MrFrost @7    4 weeks ago

Pelosi was trying to throw trillions instead of realistic level of under $1 trillion. She was simply out negotiated. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
8  MrFrost    one month ago

512

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
9  Buzz of the Orient    one month ago

I guess that now that it won't buy him any votes, Trump won't send out the stimulus cheques in a personalized Christmas card. 

 
 
 
dennis smith
9.1  dennis smith  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9    4 weeks ago

Trump wanted larger checks of $1,200 to $2,000 and was ready to sign a bill addressed as so both before and after the election. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
9.1.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  dennis smith @9.1    4 weeks ago

His party actually turned him down?

 
 
 
dennis smith
9.1.2  dennis smith  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9.1.1    4 weeks ago

BOTH parties turned him down as only $600 is in the bill he will get from Congress.

 
 
 
Kathleen
9.1.3  Kathleen  replied to  dennis smith @9.1    3 weeks ago

$2,000 would have really helped some folks.

 
 
 
dennis smith
9.2  dennis smith  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9    4 weeks ago

Your comment is a guess as the first two words say.

Your imagination or hatred of Trump shows very clearly when you say Trump was going to send stimulus checks in personalized cards 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
9.2.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  dennis smith @9.2    4 weeks ago

My imagination?  Yes, hatred of Trump, fueled not only by disappointment because at first I commended him for keeping his promises about Israel and then seeing the rotten things he has been doing thereafter (do you need a list?) but also hatred for what he has done to the Chinese people (and I am married to one).  Don't give me that shit that it's not the Chinese people but only the Chinese government when the Chinese Americans have been harrassed and attacked because of his language, but also the insult to the people of China who are happy with, even proud of their government.  My wife and her family are NOT Communists, and because of all the things he's been doing, and still doing, to bash China, it has affected them financially and me too, so don't look for love of Trump from me - there are enough NT members who consider him their Emperor who can do no wrong. 

What's Trump going to call this new virus strain they've discovered in England?  The Brit virus?  The cockney plague?

I recall reading a long time ago that when some kind of bonus cheques were sent out to Americans they included a personal note by Trump indicating or at least implying that HE was their benefactor, so I don't think my suggestion is so far off key. 

 
 
 
dennis smith
9.2.2  dennis smith  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9.2.1    4 weeks ago

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There were no personal notes from Trump when the last stimulus checks were sent out.

As far as bonus checks, please clarify what kind of bonus checks you are referring to.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
9.2.3  Tessylo  replied to  dennis smith @9.2.2    4 weeks ago

I have direct deposit but tRumpTurd made sure to send out a copy of that check to everyone anyway so that they could see his signature on it.  

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
9.2.4  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Tessylo @9.2.3    4 weeks ago

Thank you Tessy, I was thinking of this and mistakenly called it a bonus cheque...

Trump administration faces pushback for coronavirus postcard prominently displaying president's name

.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
10  Raven Wing    4 weeks ago

And all it takes is one A-H GOP Senator to negate the stimulus payments of whatever amount, as if he gives a damn about anyone but himself. 

He looks like he is either 6 sheets to the wind in alcohol, or on some mighty high drugs that he can afford. 

Disgusting is too nice a name for him.

 
 
 
Ender
10.1  Ender  replied to  Raven Wing @10    4 weeks ago

They are never worried about debt when giving corporations or the wealthy tax breaks.

Funny how they ever only worry about it when it comes to giving something to the peons.

 
 
 
MrFrost
12  MrFrost    4 weeks ago

A bunch of people making 180k+ a year deciding if working class Americans deserve a $600.00 check, and taking months to make said decision. Sad.

512

 
 
 
1stwarrior
12.2  1stwarrior  replied to  MrFrost @12    3 weeks ago

How is this going to help those in need?  Nancy sure as hell doesn't care.

800

 
 
 
Split Personality
12.2.1  Split Personality  replied to  1stwarrior @12.2    3 weeks ago

Same fucking airframe that Ryan and Boehner used before her.

BooHoo!

Same expense for them to fly, BooHoo!

Why post easily debunked BS?

 
 
 
1stwarrior
12.2.2  1stwarrior  replied to  Split Personality @12.2.1    3 weeks ago

[deleted]  Neither Ryan nor Boehner had to face what Pelosi is facing right now.  Pandemic?  Hate filled Congress over POTUS??  They neither flew to and from their homes on the week-ends in their "personal AF provided taxi".

Why post it?? It causes folks to actually think [deleted] Hard thing to do lately on NT - but give it a try.

 
 
 
Split Personality
12.2.3  Split Personality  replied to  1stwarrior @12.2.2    3 weeks ago
Neither Ryan nor Boehner had to face what Pelosi is facing right now.  Pandemic? 

So if my decoder ring is working, Ryan & Boehner coasted along flying home most weekends commercial to Ohio which is OK

but Pelosi should stay in DC all the time because of the pandemic, right? 

Hate filled Congress over POTUS?? 

No idea what you mean because all three had a hate filled Congress over Obama or Trump.

They neither flew to and from their homes on the week-ends in their "personal AF provided taxi".

True & False, Ryan & Boehner mostly flew non stop to Ohio ( still on tax payer dime ) on most weekends.

Pelosi has been dogged by BS memes like this since 2007, when apparently it was Ok for Dennis Hassert to fly a 

nearly empty 757 around the country for security reasons 

(the old 2nd in succession to the throne excuse ) since 911 occurred.

The practices of having the C20 and C32 available to the Speaker of the House are no different now,

but it has been reported that Pelosi has traveled commercial since 2011 in order to get non stop flights home as the C20

cannot normally make it all the way without refueling. 

Between 2008 & 2011 she was "forced" to use the 45 seat cargo 757 once and has never again requested it...

She still uses the smaller planes for business taking delegates to different states for official business.

A    She is entitled by law.

B    She doesn't appear to abuse it

C    It doesn't stop the regurgitation of stupid partisan memes and misinformation from being repeated on the web.

D    She should not be held to a different standard than Hassert, Ryan or Boehner

E    At least she isn't golfing every weekday like Mr. Trump

Bush WH defends Pelosi use of various planes

Bottom line = just because a meme agrees with your preconceived partisan bias doesn't make it true no matter how many facts

are included for support.

That said, why don't you try?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
13  Just Jim NC TttH    4 weeks ago

256

 
 
 
Kathleen
13.1  Kathleen  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @13    3 weeks ago

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Krishna
14  Krishna    3 weeks ago
Facts are not easily accepted by some.

Wow-- you can say that again!

 
 
 
Kathleen
15  Kathleen    3 weeks ago

I will gladly take the $2,000. jrSmiley_2_smiley_image.png

 
 
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