Why does left want some cops prosecuted, but not others.
“Specifically, the investigation revealed no evidence to establish that, at the time the officer fired a single shot at Ms. Babbitt, the officer did not reasonably believe that it was necessary to do so in self-defense or in defense of the Members of Congress and others evacuating the House Chamber,” prosecutors said.
This officer's name was "never" disclosed, why? The names of Derek Chauvin and Kim Potter were disclosed in hours after the incident Why isn't the left screaming for murder charges, this officer acted with a reckless disregard for Ashli Babbit's life and the lives of people around her.
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Video clips posted online depict Babbitt, wearing a stars and stripes backpack, stepping up and beginning to go through the waist-high opening of an area of the Capitol known as the Speaker’s Lobby when a gunshot is heard. She falls backward. Another video shows other unidentified people attempting to lift Babbitt up. She can be seen slumping back to the ground.
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The double standard is obvious. Violent protesters rioted all summer and our current VP set up a fund to bail them out if they were arrested. The police in those cities were clearly ordered to stand down. Cops seldom shoot at protesters, no matter how violent they get.
Someday things will change and we will remember Ashli Babbitt as well as the hate-filled comment we see here.
So you think the LEO that shot Ashley Babbit should have just let her climb through a broken door window and let all the other insurrectionists into the Speakers lobby of the US house, an area directly adjacent to the House floor where members of the US House were hiding.
One question - are you nuts?
What is that guard there for if not to prevent exactly what was happening? If Ashli Babbit thought she was going to be allowed to do what she was trying to do, she was badly misinformed.
His job is shoot to kill unarmed women?
Lets see the entire context of that passage
“Specifically, the investigation revealed no evidence to establish that, at the time the officer fired a single shot at Ms. Babbitt, the officer did not reasonably believe that it was necessary to do so in self-defense or in defense of the Members of Congress and others evacuating the House Chamber,” prosecutors said.
In context, the passage means the exact opposite of what you are trying to present it as.
Officer Cleared In The Shooting Death Of Ashli Babbitt During Capitol Riot
The guard didn't have any way of knowing who was armed or not. And gender is not relevant.
So he should just shoot people at random?
If you have to get physical with a person, it’s real relevant. On the other hand, if you’re just going to shoot people indiscriminately, then yeah, it doesn’t matter. Bullets work pretty well on everyone.
I didn't say anything like that.
Well is there a standard for shooting a person or not?
You mean the feds???? This decision was made on day 1. The shooter was never fired/detained and his identity is protected to this day.
This is about progressives in power.
She was unarmed!!!
WE WANT JUSTICE.
NO JUSTICE NO PEACE!
Only if they are white!
Sorry Vic, I almost fell out of my chair laughing at that one.
Yes we want justice. No arguing that.
But no peace? The Democrats already know they are safe. Five consecutive plus years of their leftist Brown Shirts rioting w/o repercussions have taught them that. If we were to actually riot to get their damn attention and force them to do what needs to be done; then we would all be "far alt right seditionists" and would be put down.
The most that will happen is we will call, write, email our congress people; and complain to any media that are willing to listen (but since the majority have bought into the Democrat BS of the DC riot being an attempt to overthrow the government- good luck with that). The government can and will ignore us.
There is no such thing as an innocent white person; especially if they aren't a liberal or Democrat. You know that.
WE WANT JUSTICE.
NO JUSTICE NO PEACE!
If you really believe that then get out from behind your computer and take to the streets and protest.
You mean riot. The Democrats and media won't listen to anything else.
We don't do that.
Well done John.
Those that truncate quotes to falsely bolster their own agenda are trying to gaslight.
I was very clear in what I said. [Deleted] your old fall back of, radical left or brown shirts would suit you well.
Again, show some courage and get out from behind your computer and excise your first amendment rights, or hide behind your computer and whine.
The FBI would be right on it.
The most that will happen is we will call, write, email our congress people; and complain to any media that are willing to listen (but since the majority have bought into the Democrat BS of the DC riot being an attempt to overthrow the government- good luck with that).
The most we can do is vote. The reason for a lot of this is that Republicans in GA didn't come out to vote in two key Senate elections.
He didn't shoot any one at random or indiscriminately. He shot that traitor. They're lucky, everyone breaking through that barricade, like Babbit, weren't shot dead. They were all traitors.
"I didn't say anything like that."
WE know Pat. Certain folks are always putting words in people's mouths, moving the goal posts, etc., etc., etc. . . . .
HOW WOULD THE OFFICERS KNOW THAT???
She should have thought of that before she 'Stormed the Capitol' 'It's a Revolution'
Both her hands were clearly visible
Makes no difference. If she hadn't been there, the traitor wouldn't have been shot dead.
I feel the same way of any BLM rioter looting or burning any building by the person protecting said property. The more taken out, the less welfare paid out.
How many unarmed people do you think they should have shot? Just the one? Or more? 10? 50? 100? 1000?
We can have a real debate about what levels of force are appropriate in different situations, but this is a whole new level of doub standard. We don’t even know this officer’s name, much less what, if any, disciplinary action might be forthcoming. Why? Because she had the wrong politics for the media or the Left to treat her like a human being.
The woman was forcibly entering a prohibited part of the building, unlawfully breaking through a locked door. Her presence in the prohibited area would have put governmental officials in danger. And you think there was no justification for stopping her? Unbelievable. Seconds before, her compadres had bashed in the windows on the door, and that cop has no idea if they are armed with machetes, or hand grenades, or nothing. You dont want to risk getting shot, dont break into the inner chambers of the US Congress.
Twist and spin and spin and twist is all you'll get with some folks.
So the best response from police is to shoot her with a firearm? That was necessary?
And why does the shooter remain anonymous?
Oh WOW! Could you shove them goal posts any harder? Where did I say there was no justification to STOP her? We’re not talking about “stopping” her. She was shot in the neck and killed. That is levels above “stopping” her. Oh my god.
I am just blown away at how politics can make people say the most absurd things. You could literally say this about every person that police encounter. You’re right, by golly! They don’t know if anybody has a machete or a hand grenade. Might as well roll ye olde 50 caliber out into the street and just let everybody have it, eh?
You do understand, I hope, that “cop doesn’t know if she is armed” is not the standard for deciding to shoot someone - anywhere at anytime.
Sometimes you make sense, but right now is not one of those times. Under what circumstances would a mob be allowed into the inner chambers of the US House? They weren't a mob you say? They were trying to break the door down, and did bash in the windows on the door. The cop could see that there were dozens of them, at least.
How was he going to stop them if not with his weapon? By reasoning with them?
What if he had waved them in and they went on to harm or kill a member of Congress. What position would he be in then?
They’re not. That’s not the issue. I didn’t say she had a right to be there. I’m saying it’s not cause to KILL her!
No JR. I didn’t say that. Did I? Be honest. Please.
Yeah, and property damage is a crime. She deserved to be arrested. She did not deserve to be shot.
Sure, but by extending your logic to its absurd conclusion, he was negligent in his duty for not shooting and killing dozens of people. Please tell me you would not be ok with that.
And if killing dozens is wrong, then isn’t killing one wrong?
Is that his job? One man? To stop a mob? I don’t think so. His priority at that point should have been protecting the lives of the people inside - if he could - by getting them safely away. And in fact, that was already being done.
JR, over the last year, many thousands of protestors broke into places - some public and some private - and did massive property damage. But no one thinks it would be a good idea for cops to have opened up on the crowds with live ammunition. But you’re totally fine with it here because you don’t like the victim’s politics.
The assault on the US Capitol was not primarily or significantly a property crime.
You are going over the cliff. Right after he shot her the assault on the Speakers lobby came to an end.
How many people had Ashli Babbitt attacked before this hero cop finally put this monster down with the gun?
But if it hadn’t, he should have kept firing, right?
You nailed it!
Yes it WAS and IS his job. He 'stood his ground'.
You're wrong and the investigation proves it.
'Being done' is not achieved Tacos. The officer did his duty, stood his ground and gave others time to get House members into safety. The House members had JUST left the hallway SECONDS before Babbit tried to go through the window. THAT is the information that the officer acted on.
Was she? Or was she just a protestor?
Maybe they should have just shot all the people in Seattle who chased police from their own precinct building. Or maybe they should have shot all the people in Portland who broke through a fence protecting the federal building. Or maybe they should have shot all the people in Washington DC last summer who lit fires and damaged property- particularly in front of the White House.
Why aren’t those events “insurrection?” They were all mobs attacking the government in some way. And those people not only escaped being shot, but they were also allowed to continue their activities for several days in the case of DC, and for weeks in the case of Seattle and Portland.
A bit dramatic are we? No one took over our government. It was still functioning fine. This wasn't an invasion of an armed platoon. No one deserves to die for making mistakes and wrong decisions do they?
We will never know what really happened because "the government" has decided to hide the investigation.
Didn't you say once that no one should be accuser, judge, and jury?
Yes the hyperbole is beyond the pale.
So speaks the person who on another seed said Duante Wright shouldn't have run & he wouldn't have gotten shot.... funny how you change your mind when it comes to people trying to break into a governmental building to disrupt the proper running of our government. But I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
I haven't had any comments about Duante Wright, so you need to get your shit together on that.
I don't think any of them should've been shot. I think there are two points here that I personally feel are important [take it for what it's worth]:
1) don't break the law [for the everyday person] and
2) don't automatically shoot if someone is breaking a law.
Oh for pete's sake, when where they back in session?
Nothing was stopped from going forward immediately and the US Government was functioning just fine.
But don't let that stop you from fearmongering.
A warning shot into the air would have accomplished that.
that is the bottom line here isn’t it.
My apologies - it's just that you all are starting to sound the same to me.
No, he didn't!
Yeah, I know how you feel. You all sound the same to me.
Yes...it's called deescalating the situation, or he should have retreated. His or her name will eventually be found out.
Well first of all, I watched the video, multiple times in the past and twice today.
Second of all, unlike you it seems, I reviewed the statement from the DOJ about closing the investigation.
Based on my experience here, I'm sure whining about providing a link will ensue since so few here are willing to invest the couple of seconds it took me to find the statement.
Here it is:
You're welcome.
If it is, you can be sure it will be one of the gqp who leaks the information. Boebert or Taylor-Greene or any republican I'm sure will be the ones who leak that information if it happens.
due to the scarcity and cost of ammunition , warning shots will not be given .....
Well then I presume you have a link to prove that. Because I didn't see or hear ANY LEO communication with the officers at the door.
Prove it.
So your support for your statement is the opinion of the unnamed author of your seed. Got ya.
Because as it has been well reported, he and his family would become a target of Trumpists. Since the investigation found that the officer did his duty, why would you want him to be a target of RW extremists for the rest of his life?
Secondly, considering the result of the investigation, WHY would ANY disciplinary action be appropriate?
Oh but it’s ok to publish the names of cops who shoot people who aren’t Trumpists, right?
How comforting - especially since there is no way the public can review the investigation.
So, from now on, when a cop shoots a person, I expect you will endorse keeping both the cop’s identity and the details of any investigation entirely confidential.
There have been a lot of strange arguments take place on Newstalkers and across all social media , but the idea that a law enforcement officer should have let a mob enter the floor of the House of Representatives so he didnt have to seriously hurt anyone is one of the strangest I've seen.
The rioters are lucky more of them weren't killed by the police or National Guard.
I think it’s strange that the mob was supposed to be allowed to do its thing last year in DC, Seattle, and Portland. I think it’s strange that the DC riots went on for a week, while Seattle and Portland went on for several weeks and it was fine with so many people. And no unarmed people were shot and killed by cops with live ammunition at those events. When people surrounded the police station in Seattle, the cops didn’t shoot anyone. They left instead.
But in the Trumper DC riot, it’s perfectly fine to shoot some unarmed person just to keep them out of the building. And oh yeah, the whole thing was over in a matter of hours because after all, you can’t just let a thing like that keep going.
Do the words “double standard” mean anything anymore?
That's all some have.
But isn't that situation the one that a right "stirs the pot" and causes it all to happen? s/
Good luck...
So all you have then is double standards and deflection and projection.
The truth! Facts! Something which Trumpists have no use for.
That decision is up to each individual law enforcement agency. I've seen people here whining about Chavin's name being released even though the murder was on video and his identity was well known.
The CP officer's face isn't visible in the video, WHY out him now?
Is it your posit that every investigation into a police use of force where the officer is exonerated has been released for public review?
BTFW, as I answered your question, I noted that you conveniently truncated my comment and ignored my question.
Why would you have that expectation? I would demand that my local law enforcement agency be as transparent as possible. I would ALSO demand that if there is a credible threat to the officer, as there is in this case, that they keep the officers identity confidential unless and until they are found to have violated agency policy or the law.
Sure it does.
Let's look at the 'double standards'.
In HOURS of video with thousands of attackers NOT ONE rubber bullet was fired.
There were a couple of tear gas canisters fired inside and outside but NO flash bangs.
I'm sure you are well aware that the BLM protestors in DC were 'dispersed' using ALL of the above.
In ANTICIPATION of BLM protests in DC, Trump activated the National Guard and stationed them all over the city, at almost every monument, INCLUDING the Capitol. Mounted Park Service Police and Federal Corrections Officers were also activated. The Secret Service handled logistics and planning.
For the 'Stop the Steal' protest, the National Guard was only authorized to be used for traffic control.
The NG wasn't deployed until the insurrection went on for HOURS.
Oh and PLEASE don't repeat the BS about the DC Mayor. Neither the grounds or the Capitol are under the DC Mayor's jurisdiction OR authority. The 'Stop the Steal' rally was held at the Ellipse, FEDERAL land. The insurrection occurred at the Capitol, FEDERAL property.
I guess you could try to make an argument for the DC Mayor trying to stop thousands of rabid Trumpsters as they Marched to the Capitol but then I doubt you would like the amount of force THAT would have required...
Did the mob in Seattle attempt to break into and occupy the police station? I don't recall hearing that. THAT would be slightly analogous to what happened at the Capitol. Surrounding the police station is not.
Police fled the building for their own safety. On their way out, they barricaded all the doors and windows so people couldn’t break in. You really think that makes things ok?
At one point, protestors tried to trap police inside the building before setting it on fire . That’s right, they wanted to burn cops alive in their own police station. Attempted murder. No biggie, though, right?
Just more deflection and projection, and spinning and twisting, as usual.
Here's a video of what happened. The morons knew the officer had a gun. They're lucky, every one of them who broke through that door, every one who 'Stormed the Capitol' 'It's a Revolution', that they weren't shot dead.
exactly right. every terrorist that crossed a door threshold or climbed thru a window of the US Capitol during the constitutional certification of a free and fair election should have been shot and dropped.
Same with the left when they riot and burn business... we should just kill them all on the spot? Or is that different somehow?
If they are endangering life, no, if they are NOT, YES there is a BIG difference.
yeah. here's the part you missed.
got any more false equivalencies to offer up?
breaking: oath keeper pleads guilty to charges in DC insurrection.
Deflection and projection.
"Or is that different somehow?"
They weren't traitors incited and encouraged and led on by the former occupant of the White House.
And the majority of 'rioting' and 'burning businesses' was outside agitators, not peaceful protesters.
Some of us predicted on Jan 7th that the day would soon come when the right would say in unison that there was nothing wrong with what happened on the 6th at the Capitol Building. That day seems to have arrived for the Newstalkers right wing contingent.
"Some of us predicted on Jan 7th that the day would soon come when the right would say in unison that there was nothing wrong with what happened on the 6th at the Capitol Building. That day seems to have arrived for the Newstalkers right wing contingent. "
So true, when it involves the former occupant of the White House and his mob, thugs, goons, it's:
Evening. I find this slightly confusing...shooting and riot wise.. sorry if slightly off topic..
I don't have a problem if you are a cop and your life is under threat. I back and support our cops here 100%. If they do the wrong thing which is extremely rare they face the consequences..end of story.
So if black cop shoots dead black person what happens?
If white cop shoots black person I know.
If black cop shoots white person what happens?
If white cop shoots white person what happens?
So why aren't people rioting for everyone??
And I don't care if you are left, right, inbetween, up side down or spin on your head. People are dieing and that is pure tragedy, especially when it comes to kids.
This is just one of many shootings and no doubt, there is worse to come...
I fear for you mob at times..to many lost souls to many shootings...
We've had 45 mass shootings in one month. It's insane.
There was another one at the FexEx facility in Indianapolis last night
Good god.. almost taking your own life in your own hands when you go out somewhere. Or worse when family members wipe out their own families...what is wrong with people these day??
Yep that one was headlines here..more lost souls and ruined lives forever..never to be the same again..heart breaking.
It’s all Bidens fault.
Unlike many I have no problem separating politics from my judgements of criminals or police. George Floyd was murdered in cold blood. Daunte Wright's death was in part the result of a tragic accident but the overall cause was his own criminal behavior, he created the situation that lead to his death and he bears the lion's share of the responsibility for what happened. I don't believe the cop committed a crime but the fact that she accidentally used her gun instead of her taser should be grounds for firing her, it was a mistake but it was a big mistake and she should never be allowed to be a cop again. Ashli Babbitt also caused her own death, any fool should have known that in the capitol there would be a line you would not be allowed to cross and deadly force would be used to stop you. I would have thought it would be the front door but apparently it was this barricaded doorway, I don't know what was on the other side but between cops blocking it, the furniture pilled against it, and the gunman covering it you could tell it was "The Line" and I wouldn't have tried to cross it.
Well put.
The only thing I would add is that Ashley Babbitt wanted to go through that door and change the election.
Look at that, we agree on all points. Floyd was murdered, Wright had a big hand in bringing about his own death but it was a HUGE fuck up on the officers part that should indeed preclude her from being an officer in the future (but not criminal in my mind), and Babbitt was asking for it by storming the Capitol during a joint session of congress (still disturbed that the CP didn’t open fire when the crowd started going through the front door).
So, white woman is breaking the law - she shouldn't have been shot.
Black man stopped for traffic violation - it's ok he was shot.... (just one example from my hometown)
Gotcha....
I don't understand why this is not public record. Police and court records are public.
If it was a warranted kill, then there should be no reason not to release the name.
Why? So the RW can harass and threaten he and his family? Is there ANY doubt that would happen if his name was released?
TRUTHFULLY answer my question goose.
Hell, the entire GOP Congress is afraid of Trump unleashing his minions on them. Countless Democrats and journalists have had make police reports and get security. It's what the RW DOES.
As I said before, TRUTHFULLY answer my question goose.
Oh and BTFW, I not that you don't refute that the GOP is afraid of Trump unleashing his minions on them.
Next time I'll make you ask nicely.
Yeah, she deserves it when she decided to join in an insurrection. Fuck her.