A predictable verdict and the appeals that will follow.
The Jury has reached a decision. Three different charges and a boat load of evidence and within a mere 9 hours the jury has arrived at a decision. The film evidence was damning & traumatic. Large crowds have rapidly gathered outside the courthouse. More than 3,000 National Guard soldiers, along with State and local police officers have been put in place to protect whatever it is that officials decide to protect.
The Verdict:
Murder 2 - Guilty Murder 3 - Guilty Manslaughter - Guilty (as expected)
This may be the strongest case ever for a jury tainted by unfavorably publicity.
The judge in the Chauvin trial stated Monday that inflammatory remarks by Representative Maxine Waters could lead to the trial being “overturned” on appeal. Waters had called for demonstrators to “get more confrontational” and protest in the streets if no guilty verdict was reached in the case.
First of all, at the very time that the city of Minneapolis was giving the defendant the fair trial he is due under the Constitution and a jury was being selected, the City Council, unanimously, chose that very moment to award the family of George Floyd a $27 Million settlement. Right or wrong, that was not the time to do that.
Second was the vitriol that an elected US official, Maxine Waters spewed amongst a group of protesters, which was not only wrong, but intimidating for all that were involved in the case. Today the ignoramus who was elected president only 3 months ago added to that. Much gasoline has been thrown on the fire.
One or more appeals is now all but certain.
Fresh off the press.
As predicted.
Agreed. He was obviously guilty, so I am not shocked at all that he was found guilty.
The jury and justice system performed better than political critics predicted or behaved themselves as they condoned violent protests and demanded a guilty verdict from afar.
As I predicted.
He was guilty vic. The End.
If that's all there was, we wouldn't have heard about it 24/7 for almost a year.
Gee, this sounds exactly word for word what that bigot Tucker Carlson said. 'As predicted'
GUILTY, GUILTY, GUILTY!
YES! YES! YES!
JUSTICE! JUSTICE! JUSTICE!
No looting tonight?
Gotta have celebration looting, burning, and riots
We'll have to wait and see tonight.
I suspect the riots will continue out west.
no matter the verdict.
If you are talking about Portland, then probably. As I have said before, I don’t think those people even know what they are rioting or whatever about. Whatever message they started out with was lost a long time ago, now they are a bunch of inconsiderate douchebags making other people’s lives difficult for no reason.
Is that still going on? Haven’t heard anything about it in awhile.
still going on, still acting like fools
They are still lingering in the streets. It's funny how we all began from the same place at the end of May (the 25th) 2020. We were all horrified by that cell phone video. Yet here we are with the media offering a narrative and our newly elected officials backing it up and certain cities ravaged by riots. The rest of us waiting for another election.
Like revolutionaries making demands.
Live your life, don't spend it waiting (for anything).
A bit of philosophy?
Just a thought.
Here's another: "Live and let live."
I prefer to Live and Let Die, a la 007.
We know.
Why would consequence free looting ever end?
Is it your ridiculous posit that NO ONE has been arrested and/or prosecuted for looting Vic?
Who is 'we'?
Nope, some were arrested and few have been prosecuted.
The rational readers.
Prove that Vic. I won't be holding my breath.
Who are 'they'?
You should go ahead without me.
No thanks!
It will be a pleasure:
Then why didn't you do so Vic.
Only ONE of your links even mentions looting and that doesn't include anything from the actual person responsible for prosecuting those charges OR any data on how many looters are being arrested and/or prosecuted.
Utter fail. Try harder Vic.
All my links prove the double standard of justice. The one every moral decent human being acknowledges.
If only that was the topic. It isn't.
YOU set the scenario Vic, 'consequence free looting'.
What you've done since is prove that there WERE consequences. Well done Vic.
Stop the dishonest commentary. Admit it - you asked for it and you got it. You got it but good!
Stop trying to pretend that my comment is dishonest Vic.
I asked for you to prove that there was 'consequence free looting'.
Admit it, YOU failed miserably.
Or you can just keep devolving into making more personal comments.
Carry on.
That leaves out the gqp
Dulay (like yourself) is not the topic of this seed,
Oh, I see looting only, not rioting. I think both were covered in my five links.
Admit it, YOU failed miserably.
YOU are the one who has to make the case that we were ONLY talking about looting or THAT any were prosecuted for it. Good luck with that.
Or you can just keep devolving into making more personal comments.
That seems to be your MO.
Carry on.
Always at your service.
YOU set the scenario Vic, not I.
You 'think' WRONG. As I stated, only ONE of your links even mentions looting, the topic of YOUR scenario. THAT link clearly states that the King Co. prosecutor was responsible for felony charges and makes NO mention of the number of 'looters' arrested or prosecuted.
So AGAIN, your links don't PROVE a fucking thing.
It would be a pleasure:
THAT makes the case that we are ONLY talking about looting.
THAT makes the case that YOU are the one that made the assertion that 'few were prosecuted'. As the one making the assertion, YOU have the burden of proof.
Trying to shift that burden onto me is juvenile.
Stating that you failed miserably isn't a personal comment Vic, it's a statement of fact.
Actually, I think even your comrades know I'm right. Very few people were ever punished for the riots/looting of the past year. I'd venture to say that a lot of our lefty friends are very happy about that.
You, on the other hand try and deny the undeniable.
Nothing you say, nothing on God's earth can change that fact.
I would hope that my 'comrades' would review your links and recognize just how wrong you are Vic.
Here is a taste of what your NYT link states:
Based on that article, there are still HUNDREDS of pending cases for ACTUAL violations of the law.
Very few people were ARRESTED for rioting or looting, mostly because very few of the MILLIONS of protestors rioted or looted. Many jurisdictions are still pursuing the identity of looters to prosecute.
You have 'lefty friends'?
I for one doubt that you have an adequate understanding of 'lefties' to know what they would be happy about.
I haven't denied a fucking thing Vic. I merely asked you to PROVE your claim and YOU have attempts to do so have been miserable failures.
Well since 'that fact' only exists in a fantasy you created, I need not say ANYTHING to change it.
Oh, is that right? The FBI had no problem using "facial recognition technology" when they wanted to toss people in jail for "trespassing."
Jurisdictions are still pursuing......Ya I'm pursuing replacing steak with spam too/s
Yes.
Point?
Gee Vic, if the information in YOUR link is false, WHY did you post it?
The only thing fake here is YOUR lame denial of the double standard.
I didn't say anything was 'fake' NOR have I denied anything.
What I have done is refute your FALSE claims and highlight the FACT that your attempt to support your FALSE claims failed miserably.
What you have done is to take on another impossible argument.
SO 'impossible' that you failed to refute any of it.
Oh but I did, five times over. Anyone with half a brain knows that BLM & antifa rioters went largely unpunished.
Yes, sadly many conservatives with half a brain think nonsensical things. Those with more than half a brain know that the facts show BLM protests were largely peaceful, 93% of them to be exact. There were hundreds of rioters and instigators who were arrested at the few protests that did turn violent, but since the vast majority of BLM protests were peaceful I fail to see why any of them should be saddled with the criminal actions of a few. Those who resorted to violence and vandalism or looting should be brought to justice just like those piece of shit conservative insurrectionists who attacked our capital and vandalized the building.
You started all this off with claiming that there was 'consequence free looting' Vic. You were asked to prove it and have yet to do so.
Sure, you TRIED to deflect to riots yet you just admitted in your most recent post that even the rioting wasn't 'consequence free'.
YOUR claims are FALSE Vic and your own links PROVE that fact.
But hey, carry on with your pretense all you want.
Oh ya, you wanted to step on that line. The truth is that some progressives don't even have a modicum of intelligence - only hate!
Looting is part of rioting. There is no deflection. You asked for a link and I gave you 5. Five links to something that I'm sure even YOU know.
over 2,000 police officers were injured in left wing riots last summer and they think that's okay because 5 high school girls protested in a suburban McDonald's parking lot without hurting anyone.
Portland has certainly been a bastion of peacefulness since 2018!
The infamous "right wing agitators" are surely to blame for inciting those peaceful folks to riot!
That is FALSE too Vic. Looting and rioting are two completely different charges. READ your own links Vic. Or better yet, ask your friends the insurrectionists.
All of your comments since the one I initially replied to have been.
Yes I do know Vic and as I have already stated NONE of your links PROVE a fucking thing about 'consequence free' looting.
It's been a real laugh reading your claims about 'consequence free' looting and then reading your desperate attempts to support your claim with links that undermine it.
No it's not Dulay.
All of your comments since the one I initially replied to have been.
The comments you can't deal with?
Yes I do know Vic and as I have already stated NONE of your links PROVE a fucking thing about 'consequence free' looting.
Oh, but they do.
It's been a real laugh
That avatar of yours says it all.
Then you should be able to explain why looting and rioting are two different charges Vic. I'll wait.
I've dealt with all of your comments Vic.
Prove it Vic. QUOTE the portion of you links that prove your claim that there has been 'consequence free looting'.
It's good to see that you can laugh at yourself Vic.
It illustrates a goal set and achieved, which is more than can be said of yours.
I'm afraid you protest too much on the distinction. The result is the same for BLM & antifa - very few prosecutions.
I've dealt with all of your comments Vic.
Nope, you just keep trying to have the last word - as meaningless as it can be.
QUOTE the portion of you links that prove your claim that there has been 'consequence free looting'.
You can read.
It's good to see that you can laugh at yourself Vic.
I'm not a feminist
It illustrates a goal set and achieved
by China.
YOU are the one trying to pretend that there ISN'T a distinction Vic.
Gee Vic, since the Federal charging documents for over 300 cases don't even mention BLM or Antifa, your comment is moot.
Translation: There is NONE.
Hardly revelatory Vic.
Nope, by 81,268,924 AMERICANS.
I called you and you folded.
I expected more than denials.
That's some self delusional shit right there.
You receive no denials Vic.
The system works.
Shame it wasn't give time to work without killing people, rioting, destroying business etc...
You're right, the riots were a shame and a sad testament to the lack of any justice or accountability many black Americans have felt for so long. That obvious lack of justice for so long doesn't excuse those who took advantage of the protests to lash out with violence, vandalism and looting, anyone who did so should be held accountable themselves. But I believe this verdict is a loud and clear statement affirming the vast majority of protests last year that were peaceful calls for justice and accountability and exemplifies exactly what the "Black Lives Matter" movement truly embodied, not the warped and twisted narrative many bigots, instigators and anarchist opportunists tried to turn it into.
Vic, it is interesting , and telling, that you are MUCH more interested in the peripheral aspects of this matter than you are in justice being served.
But then again what else is new.
Justice being served was NEVER in doubt. The only people who doubted it, think the Justice system is racist.
But then again what else is new.
Yup, the truth is still the truth.
yea, NEVER any sign of that, huh Vic.....?
Nope. It's the people who have seen 'hung juries' and out and out exonerations of officer who have killed unarmed black people ad nauseam that doubted it Vic.
No Dulay, it is the radical left, who are convinced that the judicial system is racist. Today proved that they are 100% wrong.
Did you hear Nancy Pelosi?
"Earlier Tuesday, Pelosi had spoken at an event with the Congressional Black Caucus on Capitol Hill, where she made her first comments following the verdict.
"Thank you, George Floyd, for sacrificing your life for justice," she said. "For being there to call out to your mom, how heartbreaking was that," Pelosi said during the news conference. "And because of you ... your name will always be synonymous with justice."
Thus George Floyd was a sacrificial lamb used to further a cause. It's really interesting to see these radical progressives use everything for political advantage.
Nope. Just look at all the rioting the American people have tolerated for almost a year now. You can't get much more magnanimous than that!
So many of us have been wondering how WASPs felt about systemic racism in America today. Thanks for sharing.
Now there's an expression I haven't heard in a long time. What the rest of us are wondering about is the independence of juries. Juries must remain insulated from outside pressure. The verdict itself is ok as long as the jury didn't arrive at it through fear.
But you are worried about people who look like Richard Widmark.
Again, your incessant use of the term 'radical left' renders it moot.
Secondly, the judicial system is rife with racial bias.
ONE conviction of ONE officer only 'proves' that justice CAN be rendered. That ONE conviction doesn't 'prove' that the seed change needed in our judicial system will occur.
That is a lie Vic. NO ONE 'deliberately sacrificed' George Floyd.
Well gee Vic, since you quoted Pelosi one would think that you'd recognize that the ONLY 'advantage' that she cited was JUSTICE.
It's really interesting that YOU label JUSTICE as 'radically progressive'.
It does not exist? Those policies that Biden the puppet has put forward: open borders, relief specifically for non-white farmers, killing the Keystone Pipeline, etc aren't radical? Radical by any standard - except of course by many of our lefty contributors.
Secondly, the judicial system is rife with racial bias.
PROVE IT!
ONE conviction of ONE officer only 'proves' that justice CAN be rendered.
That sounds fairly radical.
That is a lie Vic. NO ONE 'deliberately sacrificed' George Floyd.
Take it up with Nancy Pelosi. She is the one who thanked him for sacrificing his life.
It's really interesting that YOU label JUSTICE as 'radically progressive'.
When progressives cite justice, they mean symbolic retribution. It is interesting that YOU can't understand it.
Whoosh, right over your head.
Sadly, in America, conviction of a LEO for murder IS radical.
I took it up with YOU because YOU are the one who claimed: Thus George Floyd was a sacrificial lamb used to further a cause.
Based on your replies to the progressives on this site, you haven't a clue what progressive 'mean'.
I'll leave it to 'our readers' to decide who has a better understanding of the issues Vic.
So, as usual you can't prove what you claim.
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Buy a mirror Vic.
Buy yourself a garden weasel.
I prefer a stirrup hoe.
We know about that.
Please list those that you include in the 'we' you pretend to speak for Vic.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I presume that you include yourself as part of the 'we' you pretend to speak for Vic.
I said months ago that I hope that Chauvin receives the same treatment/verdict that the Minneapolis PD has handed to people of color for decades. Today was a start.
That's the spirit! Punishment should be wide-reaching and never ending. We'll call it the battle cry of the left!
Nope, just said that I hope that Chauvin receives the same treatment/verdict that the Minneapolis PD has handed to people of color for generations. Never said anything about wide-reaching and never-ending, but you keep imagining whatever you chose.
He was found guilty of a crime that he committed.
We know what you mean.
Perhaps you can explain HOW treating him THE SAME is 'punishment' Vic?
"How dare you treat Chauvin the same way POC have been treated thru history."
The battle cry of the right!
Who is 'we'?
All of your 'readers'!
All of them?
"Nope, just said that I hope that Chauvin receives the same treatment/verdict that the Minneapolis PD has handed to people of color for generations. Never said anything about wide-reaching and never-ending, but you keep imagining whatever you chose.
He was found guilty of a crime that he committed."
People shouldn't put words in your mouth Kavika. I've noted some posters do that all the time!
We understood exactly what you meant!
It's obvious you don't know what I mean but keep trying you may knock over a bag of self-awareness that you misplaced.
Thanks to Joe Biden and his 1994 "predator" crime bill.
Bang up job, Joe...
Another swing and miss, bugsy.
He's doing fine. Worry about your own batting average.
I never worry about nonsense from those that have no clue, Vic.
The rest of this thread was removed for off topic and bickering.
seems weird to me to punish one person for the sins of others, but that is just my opinion.
It's called social justice. For the left wing media Chauvin represented all whites and Floyd represented all blacks. That's the slant they were determined to place on the story.
He was found guilty of a crime that he committed not for the sins of others and that isn't an opinion it's a fact.
I know exactly what the verdict was. I was replying to your hopes he is treated differently because of who he worked for and for what you perceive to be injustices to black people.
he already is going to be treated differently , likely more harshly .
based on his race , beliefs , former profession , add anything you think i missed , fact is ex cops are not exactly treated with any sort of prison cred because of their crime , oh and he will be treated differently because of his crime as well.
Seems my perception is very good, he was found guilty on all three counts, killing a person is one hell of an injustice. My perception is not only for injustices to black people but also Native American people, there is a long history of such injustices in Minneapolis.
I only take issue with your comment in post 5.
Sounds more like you are hoping to extract revenge for past deeds and don't really care who pays as long as someone does.
He was found guilty and will be sentenced accordingly---for the crimes he was charged with--as it should be.
Vic I couldn't disagree more. Chauvin's race had nothing to do with this. Chauvin represents a bad cop... the archetype bad cop. He had a long history behind him. It finally caught up with him. He just made it worse for the good cops out there, too.
An assumption on your part and a very poor assumption at that since I specially named Chauvin in that comment.
Not a poor assumption based on the following:
Really wish to go that route Tex ? FOR ONE, what would be WRONG with Chauvin and company being treated with "the same treatment/verdict that the Minneapolis PD has handed to people of color for decades." ? Cause you seem to think we're treated pretty equal, or did i misinterpret you ?
On that we can agree. I was referring to the way the media sold the story and for them it was a big one.
He just made it worse for the good cops out there, too.
And worse than that he gave an odd sort of credibility to a lie about the police.
So you are intentionally misrepresenting what Kavika said. Got ya.
Well I felt that way about Chauvin's defense insisting that the the 'crowd' was 'threatening' Chauvin.
Ya, a small group of mostly AA minors and/or seniors who begged for Floyd's life 'threatened' Chauvin.../s
I imagine he'll get exactly what he deserves! Karma!
he went that route, Take it up with him.
Just because you have failed to comprehend either post doesn't limit other's abilities to understand.
What I understand is that you are desperate to try and pretend that 'the same treatment' ACTUALLY means 'treated differently'. It's a disgusting attempt at gaslighting. STOP.
So what you would like to see if I'm reading this correctly is that he is treated just as harshly as POC and Native Americans have been treated in Minnesota not differently
Stop yourself.
What you claim to understand doesn't jibe with your posts.
Some folks will just never ever Let.It.Go. never ever
Don't forget that 10 year old girl. She probably had him shaking in his boots.
That Chauvin is treated the same as both blacks and NA's have been treated by the Minneapolis PD for decades. Not differently but exactly the same.
I've said it now four times, most everyone understands the comment except those that chose not to for their own reason. If they chose to not understand it I could not care one way or the other.
It was very easy to understand. Some people only want to muddy the waters.
And not with mud...
That's what I thought you meant. If I can understand what you mean, surely smart people can understand what you mean
Oh i agree with that , he will get what he deserves , you call it karma , i usually say to people may life give you exactly what life thinks you deserve , same difference really. it is funny how that always seems to work though more so than mentioning karma.
So you want the court to extract revenge for deeds committed by the Minneapolis PD for decades, instead of merely being satisfied that he was convicted on all counts and will be sentenced accordingly.
Though it sure as fuck jibes perfectly with yours.
Not to one who actually understood the posts.
She WAS wearing a terrifying LOVE t-shirt...
Whatever?
Based on the comments in this thread, YOU are the only one that has chosen to misinterpret Kavika's comment. I posit that you chose to do so in a failed attempt to bolster your agenda.
That is what he does. Twist and spin something and try to assign words not said.
WELL Tex, if u wish to assign words and meanings, perhaps ya should start with me and mine, you know, the ones you rarely are able to define, and we will see how word play truly does mean just that, to me, and the labor you will have now assigned yourself, and for all, all to see, should be entertaining, well, well at least for me.
when you decide to converse somewhat normally to me, perhaps we can talk
let me show ya how this works Tex, U want me to dumb it down for you, sorry, takes too much time for me. I don't do simple, it's too complex. I've always gravitated to the path of most resistance, and that is not an exaggeration. Yet, since most i converse with don't think they're sneakin up on me, why do you suppose, since you're constantly deciding what people say , irregardless of Their actual say, do you think you know better than say, THEY, when it comes to what other people say....?
the only thing I would like from you is silence.
so you're just in it for the Gold....or the pyrite...?
sorry, I don't have the patience to deal with such inanity today.
come back tomorrow!
Yet you keep replying to him.
yeah. it's like a train wreck, you just can't stop looking!
As you are well aware, I could not care less.
not even if you try really, really hard?
Why would I try at all Tex?
Now, have your desperately needed last inane word.
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It's compulsive.
And obsessive.
Chauvin will do great in prison.. /s
There was always going to be appeals, but I highly doubt the convictions are overturned, and certainly not any time remotely soon. Motherfucker better get comfy in prison.
The only way i really see them being overturned , is if any of the jurors say they felt intimidated into making the verdict they did . simply to not have any rioting go on , 3 guilty verdicts instead of one narrow one though makes me think this is a punt to the appeals courts . they can at least say they did as asked , make a judgement .
absent that i doubt it will happen myself .
now to see what unintended consequenses arise , i can think of a few .
AOC claims "No Justice." Doesn't like the fact that the system worked.
Translation: Little Miss Spaceshot wants her "revolution."
Her followers eat that shit up.
With both hands and they savor every bit!
One of the worst ideas we ever had was giving BA degrees to morons!
Two liars tell the big one - "systemic racism."
A national disgrace.
No, the National Disgrace waddled out on 1/20/21
You will find the national disgrace cheating at golf as usual.