The Rise of Woke Anti-Semitism - WSJ

  

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Via:  vic-eldred  •  3 weeks ago  •  174 comments

By:   Gerard Baker (WSJ)

The Rise of Woke Anti-Semitism - WSJ
It's the oldest hatred, but its resurgence signals a wider disturbance in society's soul.

S E E D E D   C O N T E N T



There's something especially unsettling about the newest eruption of the oldest hatred. Anti-Semitism has been so routine and enduring a part of human history that it's easy to become almost numb to fresh instances of it.

For a statistical picture of how consistent—and contemporary—Jew-hatred is, look at the Federal Bureau of Investigation's hate-crime data. We live in an age of heightened awareness of ethnic and racial victimhood, but in the quarter-century the bureau has kept records, hate crimes against blacks have declined dramatically—by more than a third between 1996 and 2019, the latest year of full data. By contrast, the number of anti-Semitic crimes—which are, proportionate to the share of Jews in the population, much more frequent than antiblack crime—has scarcely changed.

Jews themselves know better than anyone that, as banal as this ancient evil is, outbreaks of anti-Semitism can be a harbinger of something more pervasive, a signal of a wider disturbance in a society's soul. That's the inescapable sense one gets from the recent rash of assaults that have unfolded in New York, Los Angeles, Florida and elsewhere.

The political context is new, for a start. In the past most of the anti-Semitic attacks in the U.S. have been the product of the usual depraved minds: white supremacists or sick individuals deciding to take out their pathologies on the group most often blamed for society's flaws.

Occasionally there's been a broader political subplot. Outbursts of anti-Semitic violence occurred at times with the encouragement of black leaders such as Louis Farrakhan or the now supposedly respectable Al Sharpton. But mostly they haven't occurred as the kind of street-level response to geopolitical events that is too common among political activists in Europe, especially on the left.

This latest outbreak, however, has come about in direct response to the recent conflict in Gaza. While politicians of all parties denounce anti-Semitic violence, the rhetoric of some leading leftist Democrats has helped nourish resentments and prejudices. It’s one thing—even if it’s wrong—to condemn the actions of the Israeli government in defending its citizens, quite another to question the character of the Jewish state itself. Rep. Ilhan Omar, with a strong track record of promoting anti-Semitic tropes, has talked of “war crimes” committed in Gaza. Her colleague Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has described Israel as an “apartheid” state, a weighty accusation of violent racism with historic resonance.

The same Democrats, including President Biden, who have pounced on other examples of hate crime in the last few months—sometimes before the evidence of the criminal motivation was even clear—have been oddly silent about people throwing explosive devices at Jewish-owned businesses and shouting “F— the Jews.”

The wider political and cultural environment is what makes this outbreak of anti-Semitism especially unsettling. For many progressives, this latest conflict in the Middle East fits—or rather, has been made to fit—the binary classification of the human race into oppressor and victim on the basis of identity that they now see as the defining dialectic of history everywhere.

To be sure, the explicit identification of Palestinians with disadvantaged African-Americans isn’t completely novel. As American racial tensions of the 1960s coincided with earlier episodes of Israeli-Arab conflict, organizations such as Mr. Farrakhan’s Nation of Islam sought to make the connection. But the wide penetration of this notion into the consciousness and discourse of prominent elected figures in the Democratic Party is new.

It takes extraordinary intellectual flexibility to represent the Jewish people, especially those in Israel, as part of some grand global historical pattern of white-supremacist aggression, but these ascendant protagonists of modern progressivism are used to such gymnastics. As long as the narrative can be sculpted to fit the larger objective, it will do.

All this contributes to an uneasy sense of a widening clash of civilizations that is increasingly the objective and likely outcome of the modern left’s program. The embrace of critical race theory and woke ideology in the cultural and political establishment, like its more traditional Marxist forebears, neatly reduces all tensions in human relations to a simplifying narrative of oppressor and victim, only this time not on the basis of economics but race.

We can only hope that the cease-fire in Gaza will lead to an ebbing in anti-Semitic violence in the U.S. The Jewish people know all too well that the hatred may wane but it never disappears. History tells us it is at its most virulent when it can be hitched to a larger ideological message of victimhood, resentment and retribution.


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Vic Eldred
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1  seeder  Vic Eldred    3 weeks ago

It only gets worse from here. We have done little to fight back against these ideas. 

"Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez said the   Israel-Hamas ceasefire   is a welcome first step but fails to address the “dehumanizing conditions” of Palestinians in the occupied territories.

The Democratic Socialist addressed the ongoing conflict in Gaza during her town hall meeting in the Bronx on Monday night.

“The development of a ceasefire is a welcome development. It’s an important development but it’s not enough because it does not address the actual ongoing dehumanizing conditions that are leading or rather contributing to the outbreak of violence,” she said.

“We must continue to center the protection of human rights, the human rights of Palestinians and Israelis alike … But we must also acknowledge the asymmetry in the situation and acknowledge the vulnerable that has played in the last several weeks of this crisis.”

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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1.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    3 weeks ago
The Democratic Socialist addressed

AOC is a Democrat, not a Democratic Socialist. 

Either
... you know this, and... you are intentionally lying... or
... you are unaware... and you are unintentionally (but kinda carelessly) posting BS.

So... dishonesty or ignorance. 

Good work, Vic!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Bob Nelson @1.1    3 weeks ago

That's what we call projection bob.

You've done it again!



AOC is a socialist, pure and simple. The Green New Deal is a socialist plan.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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1.1.2  Bob Nelson  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.1    3 weeks ago

C'mon, Vic... You know the English language better than that.

If you had written ''democratic socialist'', there would have been room for discussion. But you wrote ''Democratic Socialist'', and that is simply wrong, factually. 

Either
... you know this, and... you are intentionally lying... or
... you are unaware... and you are unintentionally (but kinda carelessly) posting BS.

So... dishonesty or ignorance. 

Good work, Vic!
 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.3  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Bob Nelson @1.1.2    3 weeks ago
If you had written ''democratic socialist'', there would have been room for discussion. But you wrote ''Democratic Socialist'', and that is simply wrong, factually.

Actually, robert, had you have been paying attention you might have noticed that I wrote neither. Did you notice the quotes and the link?

So, do tell us, is it dishonesty or ignorance?

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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1.1.5  Bob Nelson  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.3    3 weeks ago

Do you agree or disagree with the text (from a different source) that you chose to post?

(Oh, and... the NYPost original says ''Democratic socialist''. Why did you change it? That's not really acceptable if you're using quotation marks. Right?)

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.6  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Bob Nelson @1.1.5    3 weeks ago
Do you agree or disagree with the text (from a different source) that you chose to post?

Never mind bob - You said I wrote it!

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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1.1.7  Bob Nelson  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.6    3 weeks ago

You did write it, Vic. The text you put in quotation marks, in your opening Comment, is different from the text in the NYPost link tht you later. supplied.

That text cannot be a simple copy/paste, because it is not identical to the supposed source. 

You changed the text.

Either

... you know this, and... you are intentionally lying... or

... you are unaware... and you are unintentionally (but kinda carelessly) posting BS.

So... dishonesty or ignorance. 

Good work, Vic!
 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.8  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Bob Nelson @1.1.7    3 weeks ago

You can repeat the lie as long as you want. I didn't write it.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.9  Texan1211  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.8    3 weeks ago

Sometimes you just can't get through a brick wall. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.10  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.9    3 weeks ago

The way I see it, we are getting through - to all those people who stop by to read some of our articles.  

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.11  Texan1211  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.10    3 weeks ago

Sad it isn't more.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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1.1.12  Bob Nelson  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.8    3 weeks ago
I didn't write it.

Your text in Comment #1 is different from the text in your link. 

That's only possible if YOU intentionally make the change. When you modify a text, you accept responsibility for it.

The change you made is significant. It changes the meaning of the text.

Either

... you know this, and... you are intentionally lying... or

... you are unaware... and you are unintentionally (but kinda carelessly) posting BS.

So... dishonesty or ignorance. 

Good work, Vic!
 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.13  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.11    3 weeks ago

I think that exposing the idea's and attitudes of the left is adequate.  As I once told Al (N), I do all I can short of crossing boundaries.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.14  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Bob Nelson @1.1.12    3 weeks ago

Oh, the feminist game or is it the Goebbels game?

Keep repeating that lie. Maybe you can be a blogger some day.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.15  Texan1211  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.13    3 weeks ago

I get that, but look at this seed.

You had to spend all day attempting to explain the mundane, and precious little had to do with the TOPIC.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.16  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.15    3 weeks ago

That's true. Just remember, the unbiased observer read the article and has looked at the comments. They can clearly see how many avoided the topic. As a matter of fact, an avid NT reader would know that on another of my seeds, bob admitted that anti-Semitism is now a problem within the left's ranks.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.17  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.16    3 weeks ago

Except Bob never said that.  YOU did.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.18  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.17    3 weeks ago

Are you going to speak for bob now?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.19  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.18    3 weeks ago
Sounds like YOU are
 
 
 
CB
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1.1.20  CB   replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.10    3 weeks ago

Well, we "stop by to read" and we ain't buying what you're selling. Indeed, when "people who stop by to read" arrive they read us too!  It's a grab-bag after that. All we can do is keeping radiating bright light into the shadows to make what's opaque closer to transparent.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.21  Texan1211  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.16    3 weeks ago
As a matter of fact, an avid NT reader would know that on another of my seeds, bob admitted that anti-Semitism is now a problem within the left's ranks.

I remember him saying that, hold on, I will find it.

Ah! Here it is.

Hatred - Ain't It Grand? - Buzz Of The Orient | The NewsTalkers

"Anti-Semitism on the left" gets headlines because it's a new phenomenon.

[ Deleted ]

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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1.1.23  Bob Nelson  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.16    3 weeks ago

The NYPost article to which you linked reads "The Democratic socialist...".

Your supposed citation reads "The Democratic Socialist...".

You willfully made the change.

Either

... you know this, and... you are intentionally lying... or

... you are unaware... and you are unintentionally (but kinda carelessly) posting BS.

So... dishonesty or ignorance. 

Good work, Vic!
 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.24  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  CB @1.1.20    3 weeks ago
Well, we "stop by to read"

You are not included. You are a participant on NT. I'm addressing those who stop by to read, but want no part of these discussions.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.25  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.21    3 weeks ago

BINGO!

Tex, you get the Gold Star today. Take your seat at the head of the class.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.26  Texan1211  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.25    3 weeks ago

Phenomena or bigotry---just depends on which party it comes from for some folks, I suppose.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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1.1.27  Bob Nelson  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.16    3 weeks ago
bob admitted

No. That's false. Please re-read the definition of the verb "to admit".

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.28  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @1.1.27    3 weeks ago

Technically you are correct.

You admitted nothing, just consider it a phenomena when coming from the left, and something else if it comes from the right, because of course that makes "sense".

SMH

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
1.1.29  CB   replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.24    3 weeks ago

Your guests or "non-participants" have a single "eye" for your comments or two eyes in a set? Because when you have a set of eyes, seeing gets interestingly complex and captivating!

(Perhaps, your private cadre can be enticed to come out from behind their enclosures. . . . we're have to redouble our efforts!)

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.30  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.26    3 weeks ago

It's really a radical ideology. Right up there with the worst of Marxism, only worse since it employs race.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.1.31  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Bob Nelson @1.1.27    3 weeks ago

I'm really not here to parse words, nor am I interested in fortune or fame.

I only want to expose this insidious ideology.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.1.32  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  CB @1.1.29    3 weeks ago
(Perhaps, your private cadre can be enticed to come out from behind their enclosures.

Without police to protect them?

I'm not going to ask them to do that.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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1.1.33  Bob Nelson  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.31    3 weeks ago
I'm really not here to parse words

Of course you are. The change you made in the NYPost citation was not an accident. It was a blatant attempt to mislead readers. 

I only want to expose this insidious ideology.

... which you are apparently unable to define without "inventing"... 

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
1.1.34  CB   replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.32    3 weeks ago

Well, you're situated here in 'plain-sight' san tangible protection. It's digital media, no body fluids are exchanged. Just minds and passions, Vic. We will teach 'em with intellect, truth, and joy.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.1.35  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.32    3 weeks ago

Vic, isnt it time for a new avatar? John Durham is last years news. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.1.36  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.35    3 weeks ago

Says the individual who obviously wants the law used against political enemies.

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Principal
1.1.37  Krishna  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.21    3 weeks ago
Anti-Semitism on the left" gets headlines because it's a new phenomenon.

The U.S.S.R. is hardly new-- in fact its so "old" that it no longer exists!

So how can you believe their anti-Semitism is "new"?

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Principal
1.1.38  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @1.1.37    3 weeks ago
Anti-Semitism on the left" gets headlines because it's a new phenomenon.
The U.S.S.R. is hardly new-- in fact its so "old" that it no longer exists! So how can you believe their anti-Semitism is "new"?

Unless-- perhaps-- you believe the U.S.S.R., while anti-Semitic-- should not be considered to be "the Left"?

(If so, then how you label the USSR? Hardly "Reagan Conservatives"????)

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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1.1.39  Bob Nelson  replied to  Krishna @1.1.38    3 weeks ago

The USSR was just a blip between czars. Russia has been anti-Semitic since forever. 

 
 
 
Duck Hawk
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1.2  Duck Hawk  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    3 weeks ago
The Democratic Socialist addressed the ongoing conflict in Gaza during her town hall meeting in the Bronx on Monday night.

But Vic that is exactly what you called her. Democratic Socialists are a different party than Democrats, vic...

try again?

 
 
 
Krishna
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1.2.1  Krishna  replied to  Duck Hawk @1.2    3 weeks ago

Democratic Socialists are a different party than Democrats, vic...

During the Election campaign, I saw more than one person on Faux News warn of the dangers of electing Joe Biden-- because he was to the extreme Left of the Democratic Party, that he was an extreme Socialist, etc.

Who knew?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.3  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    3 weeks ago

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Krishna
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1.3.1  Krishna  replied to  Tessylo @1.3    3 weeks ago

Give her a break-- nobody truly understands the poor dear! 

5 Things To Know About Marjorie Taylor Greene

(They really hit the nail on their head with this one! jrSmiley_4_smiley_image.png )

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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2  Buzz of the Orient    3 weeks ago

As long as the media keeps doing this kind of thing, antisemitism will simply keep increasing.

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Le Devoir Cartoon Co-Opts George Floyd's Murder for Anti-Israel Propaganda Purposes
 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2    3 weeks ago

Hateful words turn into hateful actions.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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2.2  Bob Nelson  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2    3 weeks ago

The problem is... this never happened. A White American cop murdered a Black American in this manner.

Apparently, the cartoonist knew of no valid Middle East equivalent, and (lacking imagination) they just made some sh!t up...

 
 
 
Hallux
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2.2.1  Hallux  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.2    3 weeks ago

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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2.2.2  Bob Nelson  replied to  Hallux @2.2.1    3 weeks ago

The purple outline around the head of the man on the ground is clearly an artifact of post-edition. It's impossible to draw any conclusions from an obviously manipulated image.

 
 
 
Hallux
Freshman Principal
2.2.3  Hallux  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.2.2    3 weeks ago

That outline only appears on the still image and never in the video.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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2.2.4  Bob Nelson  replied to  Hallux @2.2.3    3 weeks ago

Would you post the link, please?

 
 
 
Hallux
Freshman Principal
2.2.5  Hallux  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.2.4    3 weeks ago

youtube.com/watch?v=QEemig8LOzM&ab_channel=MiddleEastEye

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Principal
2.2.6  Bob Nelson  replied to  Hallux @2.2.5    3 weeks ago

The incident appears to have lasted about ten seconds....

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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2.2.7  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.2.6    3 weeks ago

If one tries hard enough, they will succeed in creating something that will fuel antisemitism.  Just more evidence to covince me that antisemiism is latent even when it isn't patent. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.2.8  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.2.7    3 weeks ago

We once thought we had it licked. Nobody can deny that it's back!

 
 
 
Krishna
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2.2.9  Krishna  replied to  Hallux @2.2.1    3 weeks ago
Israeli police kneel on Palestinian man's neck following anti-eviction protest in Jerusalem

When's the trial?

 
 
 
Krishna
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2.2.10  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @2.2.9    3 weeks ago
Israeli police kneel on Palestinian man's neck following anti-eviction protest in Jerusalem
When's the trial?

After all, if the U.S. could try officer Chauvin, wouldn't it be only fair to try this Israeli officer for murder as well?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.2.11  Texan1211  replied to  Krishna @2.2.10    3 weeks ago

A charge of murder would mean that the guy died from the cop kneeling on him. He didn't die.

I am almost positive that Israeli law wouldn't ever prosecute someone for murder if no one died.

 
 
 
Krishna
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2.2.12  Krishna  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2.8    3 weeks ago
We once thought we had it licked

Have you ever actually known any Jewish people?

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Principal
2.2.13  Krishna  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.2.7    3 weeks ago
If one tries hard enough, they will succeed in creating something that will fuel antisemitism.  Just more evidence to covince me that antisemiism is latent even when it isn't patent.

Just because someone hates Jews, don't assume he's anti-Semitic!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.2.14  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Krishna @2.2.12    3 weeks ago
Have you ever actually known any Jewish people?

I was once married to one and now all those closest to me have Jewish blood.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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3  Bob Nelson    3 weeks ago
woke ideology

The author doesn't define this term. As it is in the article's title, it must be important. Could you explain it to us, please?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Bob Nelson @3    3 weeks ago

I don't speak for the author bob and I don't bother with questions addressed to nobody.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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3.1.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1    3 weeks ago

Question for Vic Eldred

woke ideology

The author doesn't define this term. As it is in the article's title, it must be important. Could you explain it to us, please?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.2  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.1    3 weeks ago
Could you explain it to us, please?

Without speaking for Mr Baker, the technical definition of "wokeness" is "the state of being aware."  In actual practice via the American left, it is a coordinated attempt by all the powerful forces on the left to take over the public square and impose this very extreme & toxic ideology on the American population to the point where it becomes the unquestioned norm. The ideology is based on victimhood and retribution. (In the current case, you see, the Palestinians are identified as the "victims" and the Israelis as the "oppressors.") Thus far there have been few obstacles for them and very little resistance from decent Americans.

That's my opinion of the current crisis.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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3.1.3  Bob Nelson  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.2    3 weeks ago
a coordinated attempt by all the powerful forces on the left to take over the public square and impose this very extreme & toxic ideology on the American population

Do you have any evidence?

current crisis

What crisis would that be?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
3.1.4  CB   replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.2    3 weeks ago
In actual practice via the American left, it is a coordinated attempt by all the powerful forces on the left to take over the public square and impose this very extreme & toxic ideology on the American population to the point where it becomes the unquestioned norm.

And there-in lies the 'conflict' - unrelenting opposition to right versus wrong - headedness. We have found the enemy and it is us!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1.5  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.3    3 weeks ago
Do you have any evidence?

Where do I start?   The year long riots?  Social media censorship? The media's unending lies?


What crisis would that be?

You know, the one where big blue cities are seeing dramatic increases in crime, an open border, a 4% rise in inflation in a matter of months and Americans being afraid to speak.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1.6  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  CB @3.1.4    3 weeks ago
What crisis would that be?

Tell us about the "wrong" you see in traditional America?

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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3.1.7  Bob Nelson  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.5    3 weeks ago

Let me be a little more precise. The key words are ''is a coordinated attempt''.

Do you have any evidence of ''coordination''?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.8  JohnRussell  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.3    3 weeks ago

The "victims" are conservative white males who are being oppressed from all sides and directions. They need everyones thoughts and prayers. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Principal
3.1.9  Bob Nelson  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.6    3 weeks ago
Tell us about the "wrong" you see in traditional America?

I do not belive I have ever said I see anything wrong with traditional America.

... unless we consider racism, for example, to be part of traditional America. Perhaps you could cite a few salient characteristics of what you consider ''traditional America''.

 
 
 
Hallux
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3.1.10  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.6    3 weeks ago
traditional America

WTF is that? I have followed all of the arts in America and they are a series of births and deaths of cultural expression which will go on and on until America joins the dust heap of all preceding civilizations.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1.11  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.7    3 weeks ago

Yes.

Offers of National Guard assistance were refused:





Police were ordered to stand down:







Teacher's Union pushed teaching critical race theory





As does the White House:



And the military being purged:






I think everyone gets the idea, right?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1.12  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.8    3 weeks ago
The "victims"

I think you should have quit after claiming I didn't know who Ayn Rand was.


You see how that comes back to bite?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.13  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.9    3 weeks ago
I do not belive I have ever said I see anything wrong with traditional America.

That's why that comment wasn't addressed to you.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
3.1.14  CB   replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.6    3 weeks ago

The blatant LYINGS, MANIPULATIONS, SELFISHNESS, REFUSALS to allow others (outside of distinct tribe) to excel, COVETOUSNESS. A singular focus on a twenty percent that is done inadequately, poorly, or in error over an eighty percent  (80/20 rule) that is corrective, sound, and wholesome (for all the citizenry/nation).

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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3.1.15  Bob Nelson  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.11    3 weeks ago

I see no evidence of ''coordination''. 

What I think I am seeing is an attempt to lay a smokescreen, to hide the fact that you do not have any such evidence.

Sh!t happens. All around the world. That's not evidence of a world-wide conspiracy. Except for QAnon, of course.

Please point out ''coordination'', in your several links, or we will all suppose that you were just makin' sh!t up... again...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.16  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.15    3 weeks ago
I see no evidence of ''coordination''. 

That is strange.


What I think I am seeing is an attempt to lay a smokescreen, to hide the fact that you do not have any such evidence.

I only gave you ten links. I think even Saul Alinsky would be satisfied.


Sh!t happens. All around the world.

This didn't just happen. It developed over decades.


Please point out ''coordination''

You refuse to accept reality. I can't help you.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.1.17  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.16    3 weeks ago

What's the use of multiple links if they're irrelevant or useless or touting conspiracy theories?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.18  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.17    3 weeks ago
What's the use of multiple links

Sometimes one supports the other. When you are using an article on leftist anti-Semitism, an additional article providing AOC's opinion is very helpful.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.1.19  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.18    3 weeks ago

I asked "What's the use of multiple links if they're irrelevant or useless or touting conspiracy theories?"

Not "What's the use of multiple links"

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.20  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.19    3 weeks ago

I thank you for asking. It gave me the chance to educate our readers.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.1.21  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.20    3 weeks ago

Still no answer?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.22  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.21    3 weeks ago

Post 3.1.18 was written in plain English. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Principal
3.1.23  Bob Nelson  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.16    3 weeks ago

If you cannot spotlight specific cases, I will have to presume that you're makin' sh!t up again.

And so will all other readers of your attempts to mispresent the truth.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.24  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.23    3 weeks ago

I gave you ten. You should be digging your teeth into that.  

A real blogger would!

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.1.25  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.22    3 weeks ago

Which was not an answer to my question.  

 
 
 
bugsy
PhD Guide
3.1.26  bugsy  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.19    3 weeks ago

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Bob Nelson
Professor Principal
3.1.27  Bob Nelson  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.16    3 weeks ago
I only gave you ten links.

This is a classic gimmick for avoiding conversation: bury the topic under an avalanche of links.

If you actually wanted to give evidence, you would make the point, and then supply a link.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.1.28  Texan1211  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.24    3 weeks ago

Isn't it boring when people get what they ask for and then complain about it?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.29  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.28    3 weeks ago

It's also time consuming. I'm sure there are those who actually read those links. Do you think someone living in Minneapolis needed to read them? I heard today that crime has skyrocketed there and the police don't even bother making traffic stops anymore. How would any normal human being like to live there?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.1.30  Texan1211  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.29    3 weeks ago
How would any normal human being like to live there?

I have no idea. Places like Portland and Seattle and San Francisco are very similar, as are most large cities. I couldn't stand it myself, and am so surprised that the citizens there take it all like good little sheep. I like to see returns on tax dollars.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.31  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.30    3 weeks ago
Places like Portland and Seattle and San Francisco are very similar

They've become almost identical in many ways.


 I couldn't stand it myself, and am so surprised that the citizens there take it all like good little sheep.

I suppose some are busy with feeding their families while others don't care. The GOP should be taking advantage of it.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.1.32  Tessylo  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.15    3 weeks ago

He doesn't have any such evidence.  Never does.  

 
 
 
bugsy
PhD Guide
3.1.33  bugsy  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.32    3 weeks ago
He doesn't have any such evidence.  Never does

Can a mod please tell me how this is different than my deleted 3.1.26?

Seems this comment appears quite frequently and tends to stay up.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.1.34  Tessylo  replied to  bugsy @3.1.33    3 weeks ago

Why are you trolling me bug?

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Principal
3.1.35  Bob Nelson  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.34    3 weeks ago

Seriously?? 

That's a very silly question, Tessylo! 

 
 
 
bugsy
PhD Guide
3.1.36  bugsy  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.34    3 weeks ago
Why are you trolling me bug?

Are you a mod?

No!

Not trolling you.

Seems like the other way around.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.1.37  Tessylo  replied to  bugsy @3.1.36    3 weeks ago

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Krishna
Professor Principal
3.1.38  Krishna  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.20    3 weeks ago
It gave me the chance to educate our readers.

Well good on ya!

(Its a shame they are neither as intelligent, nor as educated, as you, eh Vic? jrSmiley_9_smiley_image.gif )

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Principal
3.1.39  Krishna  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.2    3 weeks ago
a coordinated attempt by all the powerful forces on the left to take over the public square

What do you mean by the term "public square"?

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Principal
3.1.40  Krishna  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1    3 weeks ago
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Buzz of the Orient
Professor Principal
3.1.41  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.2    3 weeks ago

I woke means being aware, I can't imagine that there's anything wrong with being aware. Of course if someone starts adding new meanings to the word then I suppose you might as well throw away your dictionary.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.42  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.1.41    3 weeks ago

What did George Orwell teach us about the use of words?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.43  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Krishna @3.1.38    3 weeks ago

People who ridicule the children of those they don't like can't be ignored.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.44  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Krishna @3.1.39    3 weeks ago
What do you mean by the term "public square"?

You never heard that term?  Think of it as the Forum of Ancient Rome. The place where ideas are discussed and eventually where norms and/or an orthodoxy is established.

I have a question for you:  Why do you keep voting your own comments up?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Principal
3.1.45  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.42    3 weeks ago

Ah, you mean "doublespeak" - yes, exactly. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.46  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.1.45    3 weeks ago

You are still & always the teacher

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Principal
3.1.47  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.46    3 weeks ago

Thanks Vic, and you know that I respect you as well.

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Principal
3.1.48  Krishna  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.1.41    2 weeks ago
I woke means being aware, I can't imagine that there's anything wrong with being aware. Of course if someone starts adding new meanings to the word then I suppose you might as well throw away your dictionary.  

There is a real word: "woke".

But the way republicans use it, it really very, very poor grammar! (Which leads to ineffective communication).

From all the times I've seen them use it, the proper word to express what they are trying to say would probably be "awakened" (my second choice would probably be, as you have pointed out, "aware"- (depending on the context...or perhaps their tasrget audience).

The way they usually use "woke" indicates to me that at the very least it aimed at people who mainly illiterate.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Principal
3.1.49  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna @3.1.48    2 weeks ago
"The way they usually use "woke" indicates to me that at the very least it aimed at people who mainly illiterate."

Ah, yes, you mean the great unwashed ignoramuses who still believe the election was stolen that unfortunately are much too prevalent in the USA.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
3.1.50  CB   replied to  Krishna @3.1.48    2 weeks ago

There is (yet) another consideration:  These conservatives and their think-tanks know the proper vernacular usage of the concept "Woke," and they want to mangle it and make it less effective through misuse (abuse).

Yes, in the 'naked' city there are all kinds of dives, emptinesses, stinky and funky tricks underground.

 
 
 
Hallux
Freshman Principal
3.2  Hallux  replied to  Bob Nelson @3    3 weeks ago

Woke? It was a silly term when first used but it has been co-opted by many on the right and is now used as a slur to deflect from their own sins. It's an 'art' they have mastered over several political generations. One would be hard pressed to find anyone on the left using the term today.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.2.1  Tessylo  replied to  Hallux @3.2    3 weeks ago
"Woke? It was a silly term when first used but it has been co-opted by many on the right and is now used as a slur to deflect from their own sins. It's an 'art' they have mastered over several political generations. One would be hard pressed to find anyone on the left using the term today."

EXACTLY RIGHT!

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Principal
3.2.2  Bob Nelson  replied to  Hallux @3.2    3 weeks ago

''Woke'' seems to be important to the author - it's in the title and in the conclusion. But the author does not define it. 

I assume that Vic reads his articles carefully before seeding them, and therefore has an idea of what the author meant. 

I appreciate your help, but I prefer to hear the seeder's opinion.

 
 
 
Hallux
Freshman Principal
3.2.3  Hallux  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.2.2    3 weeks ago

The seeder posted his opinion before I did.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Principal
3.2.4  Bob Nelson  replied to  Hallux @3.2.3    3 weeks ago
The seeder posted his opinion before I did.

No, actually. He did not. He posted some word-salad. When questioned about the key words in that salad... he went silent.

[r][emoved]

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.2.5  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.2.4    3 weeks ago
He weaves and dodges..

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As opposed to the undefeated Heavyweight

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(AKA Vic)

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.2.6  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.5    3 weeks ago

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Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.2.7  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.5    3 weeks ago

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Sean Treacy
Professor Guide
4  Sean Treacy    3 weeks ago

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Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sean Treacy @4    3 weeks ago

removed for context

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
6  CB     3 weeks ago
In actual practice via the American left, [Wokeness ideology] is a coordinated attempt by all the powerful forces on the left to take over the public square and impose this very extreme & toxic ideology on the American population to the point where it becomes the unquestioned norm. The ideology is based on victimhood and retribution. (In the current case, you see, the Palestinians are identified as the "victims" and the Israelis as the "oppressors.") Thus far there have been few obstacles for them and very little resistance from decent Americans.

Question: Can you explain who "them" and "decent Americans" in your bold, black colored opinion? The ambiguity and placement of the sentence is confusing me. Who is them:

1. American Left?

2. Palestinians?

3. All of the Above?

Who are "decent Americans?

1. All conservatives?

2. Some conservatives (Trumpists)?

3. Liberals?

4. All of the Above?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  CB @6    3 weeks ago

None of the above.

My decent Americans are those who work hard, pay their bills, love and care for their families and still believe in traditional American values. Many of them once worked in the manufacturing and service sectors. They have long been forgotten. Many have turned to drugs. They are a dying demographic.

It is they I care about.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1    3 weeks ago

YOUR decent Americans?

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Bob Nelson
Professor Principal
6.1.2  Bob Nelson  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1    3 weeks ago
still believe in traditional American values

... and of course, YOU are the judge...

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1    3 weeks ago

They will ask or demand your definition of words, and then they will try to argue your definition.

Silly games.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1.4  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Bob Nelson @6.1.2    3 weeks ago
.. and of course, YOU are the judge...

"The Only Law West of the Pecos". 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1.5  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Texan1211 @6.1.3    3 weeks ago

Our very own wordsmith set the standard. The idea is to take any argument, no matter how indefensible and win on some random technicality. Out in the real world, created by the left, it would involve Molotov Cocktails and bricks.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
6.1.6  CB   replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1    3 weeks ago
Thus far there have been few obstacles for them. . . .

You display an option not offered: None of the above. Who are "them"? I'm left confused again.

It's hard to classify, "many of them" as a descriptor for decent people, because it is not inclusive. That is complete. Do you mean to state: All of the Above?

(I am more confused now than before.)

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1.7  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  CB @6.1.6    3 weeks ago
I'm left confused again.

Then you have my sympathy.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.1.8  Texan1211  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.5    3 weeks ago

Wouldn't it be cool if someone could simply click on whatever word it is they seek definition for and read it right then?

Sure save a lot of time and lots of space here.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
6.1.9  CB   replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.7    3 weeks ago

Thank you for standing in agreement with my temporary state of confusion. Notably, you can do more to assist this discussion to stay on-track for me and those hidden readers if you courteously and with significant clarity answer questions.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1.10  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Texan1211 @6.1.8    3 weeks ago

I think we are there!

What makes me happy is having a format where people get to read a logical presentation of what the real problems are. The sad fact is that all of this is so unnecessary. We shouldn't be at this point. 

BTW, thank Governor Abbott for outlawing the defunding of any/all Texas police departments.

Have a good night Sir.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Principal
6.1.11  Bob Nelson  replied to  Texan1211 @6.1.3    3 weeks ago

It's s-o-o-o much easier to be right when you can re-define words to mean whatever you like. Hot is cold; up is down; ...

Dictionaries are for wimps!

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
6.1.12  CB   replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.10    3 weeks ago
[T]hank Governor Abbott for outlawing the defunding of any/all Texas police departments.

"Defunding Police" is an abused phrase in the hands of some conservatives. Though I'd be curious if police officers across the nation begin flipping over wheelchairs with their 'bounds' still in them if Governor Abbott could be empathetic to a profound loss of mobility and a lack of ability to 'right' oneself.  Cruel? I don't think so. Of all the people one would expect to understand the loss of a limb, limbs, and/or body - a cripple governor comes speedily to mind! But not this one: not this time.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1.13  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  CB @6.1.12    3 weeks ago
"Defunding Police" is an abused phrase in the hands of some conservatives.

It's more than a phrase. Big blue cities are now awash in crime. Those who are paying for it?  Minorities who live there!

 
 
 
Duck Hawk
Freshman Silent
6.1.14  Duck Hawk  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1    3 weeks ago

So you feel that ONLY certain people working Certain blue collar jobs qualify as "decent Americans." If someone worked/are working white collar or other blue collar jobs Vic (and those voices he thinks he represents) feel you are not a "decent Americans?"

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.1.15  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.13    3 weeks ago

Which big blue cities?  Citations?  I'm sure (If) the citations you provide won't prove what you say.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
6.1.16  CB   replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.13    3 weeks ago

That's full of bull patty. And while we're on the subject, in my opinion, I don't believe you give a damn about minority communities per se. What say you?

Telling police departments (using hodge-podge approaches to law enforcement) to allow citizens, victims, suspects, and criminals to reach a jail cell and a court where there are judges and juries is not an abuse of Police. They have the power, surely they can be told to modulate and change.

And one more thing: Since you seem to see "blue" more than "red" cities as a problem, I am gonna remind you that to hear you tell it red states are 'perfect' and don't have issues of policing to resolve. That is a red-state lie, straight out of Hell. Red states are as full of bull patty and stupid shit issues as anywhere U.S.A.!

I am not impressed.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1.17  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Duck Hawk @6.1.14    3 weeks ago

Who specifically did I say are "non-decent.?"


I want an answer.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1.18  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @6.1.15    3 weeks ago

You tell me.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1.19  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  CB @6.1.16    3 weeks ago
And while we're on the subject, in my opinion, I don't believe you give a damn about minority communities per se. What say you?

First I say that many of those I described as decent hard working Americans are black.

I also say that you are violating the code by charging racism.  You've been flagged.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.1.20  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.18    3 weeks ago

You're the one who said 'all blue cities are awash in crime' - it's up to you to prove it!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1.21  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @6.1.20    3 weeks ago

I don't have to prove that one. Everyone with half a brain knows it.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.1.22  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.21    3 weeks ago

So you can't!  Why didn't you just say so?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1.23  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @6.1.22    3 weeks ago

Do some reading.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.1.24  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.23    3 weeks ago

No need, you've proven nothing.  

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Guide
6.1.25  Sean Treacy  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.23    3 weeks ago

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Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1.26  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sean Treacy @6.1.25    3 weeks ago

I'm an optimist. What can I say.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.1.27  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.26    3 weeks ago

See, I'm not the subject of this seed.  

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
6.1.28  CB   replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.19    3 weeks ago

Firstly, you and I were discussing "defunding police" @6.1.10. A distinctly different thread than "decent Americans." Consequently, you may have your 'reply tos' missed up!

Secondly, I don't know how you derive "racism" (in which direction) because in my opinion I don't think you care about minority communities. A better response would be to demonstrate 'care and concern' and "welcoming interests" for minorities and their communities in your statements-whether than a dry conservative ideology void of empathy.

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Principal
6.1.29  Krishna  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1    3 weeks ago

My decent Americans are those who work hard, pay their bills, love and care for their families and still believe in traditional American values. Many of them once worked in the manufacturing and service sectors. They have long been forgotten. Many have turned to drugs. They are a dying demographic.

You mean the type of people who took part in the Capitol insurrection? 

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Principal
6.1.30  Krishna  replied to  Tessylo @6.1.1    3 weeks ago
YOUR decent Americans?

Aw c'mon-- he's entitled to his opinion. (Just because he feels superior to the rest of us-- that's no reason to mock him!)

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Principal
6.1.31  Krishna  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.5    3 weeks ago
Out in the real world, created by the left, it would involve Molotov Cocktails and bricks.

Generalize much?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.1.32  Tessylo  replied to  Krishna @6.1.31    3 weeks ago

Make shit up much?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Principal
6.1.33  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Tessylo @6.1.32    3 weeks ago

Tess, Krishna has a wicked sense of humour.

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Principal
6.1.34  Krishna  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1    2 weeks ago
My decent Americans are those who work hard, pay their bills, love and care for their families and still believe in traditional American values. Many of them once worked in the manufacturing and service sectors. They have long been forgotten. Many have turned to drugs. They are a dying demographic.

Well if that be the case-- would you consider that group to be "woke"-- or "slept"?

Especially the drug dealers you seem to be so fond of...

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Principal
6.1.35  Krishna  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1    2 weeks ago
Many have turned to drugs. They are a dying demographic.It is they I care about.

Not surprisingly-- especially for a semi-woke person to believe!

(And don't even get me started on "quarter- woke" persons..!!!)

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Principal
6.2  Bob Nelson  replied to  CB @6    3 weeks ago

Who is the "American left"?

A bit of a broad brush.....

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
6.2.1  CB   replied to  Bob Nelson @6.2    3 weeks ago

Well, put an "American Left" on a spectrum line and look in the opposite direction and voilà - "American Right" comes into being! O vice-versa! Broadly-speaking, for sure!

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.2.2  Tessylo  replied to  Bob Nelson @6.2    3 weeks ago

A bit?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.2.3  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Bob Nelson @6.2    3 weeks ago
Who is the "American left"?

Let me ask the questions now.  Define yourself?

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Principal
6.2.4  Bob Nelson  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.2.3    3 weeks ago

Vic.. I think you are a reasonably intelligent person. So I presume that when you post something, you've thought about it. I assume that if it's unclear to me, I can ask questions and you will complete my understanding.

I will be happy to answer questions about stuff that I post... but I cannot answer questions about stuff that you post.

You used the term "American left". To my knowledge, there is no standardized definition, so every usage may be different. To understand your post, I need to know your definition.

I don't play "gotcha", Vic. But it seems to me that if you present ideas, you must accept - participate in - their examination.

On my own political spectrum, I situate myself as "socialist and democrat". But I'm not sure how helpful that is to you, because I doubt very much that we have similar political spectra. 

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Principal
6.2.5  Krishna  replied to  Bob Nelson @6.2    3 weeks ago
Who is the "American left"? A bit of a broad brush.....

I think he may be referring to those on the extreme left-- uber Socialists like Joe Biden perhaps?

/sarc

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Principal
6.2.6  Krishna  replied to  CB @6.2.1    3 weeks ago
Well, put an "American Left" on a spectrum line and look in the opposite direction and voilà - "American Right" comes into being! O vice-versa! Broadly-speaking, for sure!

And then again-- very often the total opposite may be true, LOL!

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Principal
6.2.7  Krishna  replied to  Bob Nelson @6.2    3 weeks ago
Who is the "American left"? A bit of a broad brush.....

There's a wise old saying:

Confucious say "People who paint with broad brush often soon run out of paint!"

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Guide
8  Sean Treacy    3 weeks ago

Even House Democrats are taking notice of their colleagues racism:

Four House Dems making clear their displeasure with some progressives over Israel rhetoric. “We also reject comments from Members of Congress accusing Israel of being an ‘apartheid state’ and committing ‘act[s] of terrorism.’ These statements are antisemitic at their core”   pic.twitter.com/fSbhqRohAO

— Manu Raju (@mkraju)   May 26, 2021

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Principal
8.1  Krishna  replied to  Sean Treacy @8    3 weeks ago
Even House Democrats are taking notice of their colleagues racism:

WTF?

There are  people in both parties who have on occasion, opposed the views of the majority of their party.

McConnell comes to mind:

McConnell: Trump 'morally responsible' for Capitol riot

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Guide
8.1.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Krishna @8.1    3 weeks ago

WTF?  No shit Sherlock.  Did I ever claim otherwise?  What a pathetic attempt at deflection.  

I guess defending The Democratic Party is more important than exposing racism to you.  Sad.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
8.1.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Krishna @8.1    3 weeks ago

According to people like Sean, whites are the true victims of racism. It is ludicrous but I suppose once they repeat it enough they certainly sincerely believe it. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Guide
8.1.3  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1.2    3 weeks ago

Nice straw man John.   Easier to make shit up than deal with reality, huh? 

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Principal
8.1.4  Krishna  replied to  Sean Treacy @8.1.1    2 weeks ago
 Did I ever claim otherwise?

Did I ever said you did?

(Krishna playing the "Back 'Atcha Card"!)

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Principal
8.2  Krishna  replied to  Sean Treacy @8    2 weeks ago
Manu Raju

WTF!

Gimme a break!!!

 
 
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