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Supreme Court sides with Catholic foster agency that excludes same-sex couples in 9-0 ruling

  

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Via:  vic-eldred  •  3 years ago  •  55 comments

By:   Tyler Olson (Fox News)

Supreme Court sides with Catholic foster agency that excludes same-sex couples in 9-0 ruling
The Supreme Court sided unanimously with a Catholic foster agency in a dispute against the city of Philadelphia over whether it should be banned from participating in the city's foster program because it excludes same-sex couples.

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The Supreme Court sided unanimously with a Catholic foster agency in a dispute against the city of Philadelphia over whether it should be banned from participating in the city's foster program because it excludes same-sex couples.

The group, Catholic Social Services (CSS), claimed that "Philadelphia's attempts to exclude the Catholic Church from foster care" violated the First Amendment. Lawyers for the city, meanwhile, said that CSS "lacks a constitutional right to demand that DHS offer it a contract that omits the same nondiscrimination requirement every other FFCA must follow when performing services for the City."

In a 9-0 ruling, the justices sided with Catholic Social Services.

"CSS seeks only an accommodation that will allow it to continue serving the children of Philadelphia in a manner consistent with its religious beliefs; it does not seek to impose those beliefs on anyone else," Chief Justice John Roberts wrote in a majority opinion. "The refusal of Philadelphia to contract with CSS for the provision of foster care services unless it agrees to certify same-sex couples as foster parents cannot survive strict scrutiny, and violates the First Amendment."

Roberts was joined on his opinion by Justices Stephen Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor, Elena Kagan, Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett.

Barrett herself wrote a concurring opinion, which was joined fully by Kavanaugh and partially by Breyer.

"As the Court's opinion today explains, the government contract at issue provides for individualized exemptions from its nondiscrimination rule, thus triggering strict scrutiny," Barrett wrote. "And all nine Justices agree that the City cannot satisfy strict scrutiny."

Sen. Josh Hawley, R-Mo., a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee said the Fulton decision was a "great ruling" that could have gone farther.

"It's a pretty unequivocal statement I think that the court is gonna look really closely … any time you have religious institutions or organizations that are being disfavored. If they are treated any worse or any differently than a secular institution, the court's gonna strike that down," Hawley added.

Justice Samuel Alito also wrote a concurring opinion that was joined by Justices Neil Gorsuch and Clarence Thomas. Gorsuch wrote a concurrence that Thomas and Alito joined.

The unanimous ruling on such a hot-button issue comes as many on the left are calling for the packing of the Supreme Court and some on the right are saying the court is rejecting those calls through a series of unanimous of nearly-unanimous opinions. Hawley, however, said he doesn't think the ruling will "deter my friends on the left from their court packing agenda. They're very committed to this. And it will probably make them mad at Justice Breyer, I suppose."

The case will also be considered a massive victory for social conservatives, who say that it protects religious freedom.

"Today, the Supreme Court rightly affirmed that the Constitution guarantees faith-based agencies freedom from government harassment and discrimination because of their religious beliefs about marriage," Catholic Vote President Brian Burch said in a statement.

The ACLU, however, said that the court did not recognize "a license to discriminate based on religious beliefs."

"Opponents of LGBTQ equality have been seeking to undo hard-won non-discrimination protections by asking the court to establish a constitutional right to opt out of such laws when discrimination is motivated by religious beliefs," Leslie Cooper, deputy director of the ACLU LGBTQ & HIV Project, said in a statement. "This is the second time in four years that the court has declined to do so. This is good news for LGBTQ people and for everyone who depends on the protections of non-discrimination laws."

The majority opinion written by Roberts also included a citation of one of the major religious freedom rulings in recent years: the Masterpiece Cakeshop case.

"[O]ur society has come to the recognition that gay persons and gay couples cannot be treated as social outcasts or as inferior in dignity and worth," Roberts wrote, quoting the Masterpiece Cakeshop case. "On the facts of this case, however, this interest cannot justify denying CSS an exception for its religious exercise. The creation of a system of exceptions under the contract undermines the City's contention that its nondiscrimination policies can brook no departures. The City offers no compelling reason why it has a particular interest in denying an exception to CSS while making them available to others."


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Vic Eldred
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1  seeder  Vic Eldred    3 years ago

Important notes:

Another in a string of unanimous rulings which counter senile Joe's claim that the Court is "Out of whack!"

Second this particular ruling asserts equal treatment at a time when such rulings need to be emphasis.

Finally, maybe all the gay groups will stop sending people into our friend, the cake maker requesting cakes in order to prompt more lawsuits.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    3 years ago

Very discriminatory to not allow same sex parents the right to adopt.  

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  Tessylo @1.1    3 years ago

The nation's highest Court say's you're wrong.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @1.1    3 years ago

Actually, that is not what the Court ruled. 

Smh

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.1.3  Ozzwald  replied to  Tessylo @1.1    3 years ago
Very discriminatory to not allow same sex parents the right to adopt.

It is, but it is a Catholic funded adoption agency.  It would be different if they were gov't subsidized, or just some guy refuses because he likes to disguise his prejudice under the guise of religion.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.1.4  Ozzwald  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1.1    3 years ago
The nation's highest Court say's you're wrong.

You better re-read it then.  SCOTUS said it was not un-Constitutional, they never said it wasn't discriminatory.

 
 
 
Dulay
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1.1.5  Dulay  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1.1    3 years ago

Actually, it didn't but you would have to actually READ the ruling to know that. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.2  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    3 years ago

Who are all these gay groups asking that bigoted cake maker to make cakes for them?  Have you seen those cakes?  Who would waste their money on them in the first place?  

 
 
 
Veronica
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1.2.1  Veronica  replied to  Tessylo @1.2    3 years ago

I would like to know what adopting children has to do with cake baking.  Are they giving away children with each cake purchased?  Or does each adopted child come with a cake?

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.2.2  Greg Jones  replied to  Tessylo @1.2    3 years ago

No one cares about the cakes, it's all about harassing Jack Phillips yet again

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.2.3  Tessylo  replied to  Veronica @1.2.1    3 years ago

I was wondering that too.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.2.4  Tessylo  replied to  Greg Jones @1.2.2    3 years ago

No one was harassing the bigoted baker.  

 
 
 
Veronica
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1.2.5  Veronica  replied to  Greg Jones @1.2.2    3 years ago

Then maybe vic shouldn't have brought up cakes.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.2.6  Greg Jones  replied to  Tessylo @1.2.4    3 years ago

Colorado is.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.2.7  Tessylo  replied to  Greg Jones @1.2.6    3 years ago

No, they're not.  The bigoted baker is being sued for being a bigoted prick.  

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.2.8  Greg Jones  replied to  Veronica @1.2.5    3 years ago

Tessy brought up the baker, not Vic

 
 
 
Veronica
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1.2.9  Veronica  replied to  Greg Jones @1.2.8    3 years ago
Finally, maybe all the gay groups will stop sending people into our friend, the cake maker requesting cakes in order to prompt more lawsuits.

WRONG!  That is vic's first comment.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.2.10  Greg Jones  replied to  Tessylo @1.2.7    3 years ago

"'She" will lose the lawsuit, yet again

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.2.11  Tessylo  replied to  Greg Jones @1.2.8    3 years ago

"Important notes:

Another in a string of unanimous rulings which counter senile Joe's claim that the Court is "Out of whack!"

Second this particular ruling asserts equal treatment at a time when such rulings need to be emphasis.

Finally, maybe all the gay groups will stop sending people into our friend, the cake maker requesting cakes in order to prompt more lawsuits."

 
 
 
Duck Hawk
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1.2.12  Duck Hawk  replied to  Veronica @1.2.1    3 years ago

Are their names Hansel and Gretel? I have just  the place for them, hehe. (And they come with cake too!)

 
 
 
Veronica
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1.2.13  Veronica  replied to  Duck Hawk @1.2.12    3 years ago

Hey, I always thought the woman in that story was justified - they were eating her house.  

 
 
 
Hallux
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1.3  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    3 years ago
senile Joe's

Such breathtaking originality, have you considered putting your Muse up for adoption? Has she been circumcised or circumfixed? Can she bake a cake?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.4  XXJefferson51  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    3 years ago
The following was a key holding of the court: “The refusal of Philadelphia to contract with CSS for the provision of foster care services unless CSS agrees to certify same-sex couples as foster parents violates the Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment.”

“The City’s actions burdened CSS’s religious exercise by forcing it either to curtail its mission or to certify same-sex couples as foster parents in violation of its religious beliefs,” the decision continued.

“Philadelphia’s Fair Practices Ordinance, which as relevant forbids interfering with the public accommodations opportunities of an individual based on sexual orientation, does not apply to CSS’s actions here,” the decision added…

The ruling was thus unanimous and looms large over other high-profile cases involving legal conflicts between religious liberty and argued LGBTQ rights.. 

https://trendingpolitics.com/breaking-news-supreme-court-strikes-unanimous-blow-for-religious-liberty-in-lgbtq-case-knab/

 
 
 
Ender
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2  Ender    3 years ago

I still think this is idiotic. Now the state will be forced to send kids to these organizations.

That itself should be illegal.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1  Texan1211  replied to  Ender @2    3 years ago
Now the state will be forced to send kids to these organizations. That itself should be illegal.

If only someone would file a lawsuit over this!!!!

Oh, wait, they did!!

 
 
 
Ender
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2.1.1  Ender  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1    3 years ago

So according to states rights republicans, a state should be forced to hand over its foster children to Catholic organizations.

 
 
 
Kavika
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2.1.2  Kavika   replied to  Ender @2.1.1    3 years ago

You probably don't realize how accurate that statement is/was.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.3  Tessylo  replied to  Ender @2.1.1    3 years ago

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1.4  Texan1211  replied to  Ender @2.1.1    3 years ago

I can't understand the ruling for you.

 
 
 
Dulay
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2.2  Dulay  replied to  Ender @2    3 years ago

What the court seems to be saying is that since the state allows exceptions to the law for one group, they have to have a pretty fucking cogent reason NOT to allow them for CSS, and they didn't prove that they do.

The easiest solution is to deny ANY exceptions to the law, though I don't know all of the reasons why they authorized them for other groups in the first place. 

 
 
 
evilone
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3  evilone    3 years ago

Interesting - 

...the government contract at issue provides for individualized exemptions from its nondiscrimination rule,

This says to me that if exemptions are allowed by the contract, the city can't pick and choose which exemptions to not honor. Can the city change their contracts to not allow exemptions? 

 
 
 
Ender
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3.1  Ender  replied to  evilone @3    3 years ago

Or write all new contracts?

I am gathering it is more like you are saying and having to do with contract law.

 
 
 
evilone
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3.1.1  evilone  replied to  Ender @3.1    3 years ago
Or write all new contracts?

Perhaps the city should do the work themselves and not use any outside agency.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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4  Sean Treacy    3 years ago

All  nine justices agreed the City discriminated on the basis of religion.  Not surprised how many opinions here are out of the mainstream and still  support and defend discrimination.. 

 
 
 
Ender
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4.1  Ender  replied to  Sean Treacy @4    3 years ago

And the catholic organization is using discrimination which brought on this whole thing.

Why should discrimination be condoned if it is done by a religious organization.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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4.1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  Ender @4.1    3 years ago

Why should discrimination be condoned if it is done by a religious organization.

The state is discriminating against religious organizations, just as Colorado is discriminating against Jack Phillips

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  Ender @4.1    3 years ago

Not discrimination,  free exercise of religion.

Sorry if the unanimous ruling didn't please.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.1.3  Tessylo  replied to  Greg Jones @4.1.1    3 years ago

No and No.  

 
 
 
Ender
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4.1.4  Ender  replied to  Greg Jones @4.1.1    3 years ago

So again, if it is wrong for the state to discriminate, why would it not be wrong for the religious organization.

 
 
 
evilone
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4.1.5  evilone  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.2    3 years ago
Not discrimination,  free exercise of religion.

The free exercise of discrimination under the guise of religion is why churches are losing members. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.1.6  Texan1211  replied to  evilone @4.1.5    3 years ago
The free exercise of discrimination under the guise of religion is why churches are losing members. 

Seriously, where do you find this information????????

Did you understand the ruling?

 
 
 
evilone
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4.1.7  evilone  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.6    3 years ago
Seriously, where do you find this information????????

There are multiple studies, reports and stories all over the internet that support my post. We've talked about a few of them here at NT over the last few years. Church attendance is down in the US generally. The Catholics and Evangelicals have higher numbers of loss which many former members say are due to it's lack of inclusivity and participation of identity politics. Methodists actually gained members.

Did you understand the ruling?

One thing (my post) has nothing to do with the other thing (this ruling). That would be fairly easy to understand were you to read the post in context of the poster I replied to. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.2  Texan1211  replied to  Sean Treacy @4    3 years ago

That's because so many don't bother to try and understand the ruling

 
 
 
Sunshine
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4.2.1  Sunshine  replied to  Texan1211 @4.2    3 years ago

Simply reading the article would give one answers.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5  Texan1211    3 years ago

Just another unanimous decision giving lie to the crazy claims of progressive liberals.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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6  Texan1211    3 years ago

Gee, how long before the loons start turning on the more liberal Justices?

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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6.1  Greg Jones  replied to  Texan1211 @6    3 years ago

They're giving Breyer a lotta grief lately

 
 
 
Texan1211
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6.1.1  Texan1211  replied to  Greg Jones @6.1    3 years ago

That's because they are afraid a Republican will win in 2024, and are hoping a Den would get to nominate his replacement before that happens

 
 
 
Tacos!
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7  Tacos!    3 years ago

It’s not a very useful decision in terms of impacting the rest of the country. It’s very narrowly focused. In this case, the city of Philadelphia is the one managing the adoption program. As a manager, the government can’t discriminate on the basis of religion. The ruling doesn’t say anything about say, a state constitution outlawing anti-LGBT discrimination in adoptions or even more generally.

Unfortunately, this is how the Supremes operate in a lot of cases. They find a hair to split and it doesn’t really solve the larger problem for most people. The strikes me as being the opposite of an “activist court.” They are addressing as little of the problem as they absolutely have to. That’s how they got a unanimous ruling.

Solving the big problem is supposed to be the business of Congress, but they’re usually too busy being outraged at each other to get anything done.

So in the end, we had a lot of anticipation and angst with virtually no payoff. Kind of anti-climactic.

 
 
 
Veronica
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7.1  Veronica  replied to  Tacos! @7    3 years ago
but they’re usually too busy being outraged at each other to get anything done.

I totally agree with you on this.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
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7.2  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Tacos! @7    3 years ago

I'd say yours is the most accurate description on the ruling Tacos....  The ruling creates more problems than Congress has the fortitude to solve.

 
 
 
evilone
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7.3  evilone  replied to  Tacos! @7    3 years ago
They are addressing as little of the problem as they absolutely have to. That’s how they got a unanimous ruling.

Exactly. 

Solving the big problem is supposed to be the business of Congress, but they’re usually too busy being outraged at each other to get anything done.

I can't vote the post up more than once, but I would if I could.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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7.4  Thrawn 31  replied to  Tacos! @7    3 years ago

It was more or less kicking the can down the road. 

 
 
 
FortunateSon
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8  FortunateSon    3 years ago

This ruling should make it fairly clear. Religious liberty is here to stay.

That's gonna put the left nuts in a twist.

LOL 

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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8.1  Thrawn 31  replied to  FortunateSon @8    3 years ago

This ruling didn’t really establish any such thing. Read Tacos post, his is the most accurate description of the ruling. Yours is just kind of a generic “own the libs” statement. In other words, fucking pointless.

 
 

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