Trump and right-wing lawyer were part of 'criminal conspiracy' to overturn 2020 election, January 6 committee alleges - CNNPolitics
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Via: jbb • 3 years ago • 183 commentsBy: Katelyn Polantz and Ryan Nobles (CNN)
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(CNN)Former President Donald Trump and a right-wing lawyer were part of a "criminal conspiracy" to overturn the 2020 presidential election, the House select committee investigating the January 6 Capitol riot alleges in a court filing Wednesday.
The filing is part of an attempt to convince a judge to allow the panel access to emails from lawyer John Eastman, who is claiming attorney-client privilege. The committee said he helped to orchestrate the plot. The filing is the most extensive release to date from the House's January 6 investigators as they try to obtain Eastman's emails -- and comes well before the House select committee releases its final report on its findings on Trump. House members have also signaled they may make a criminal referral to the Justice Department about Trump, depending on their findings, and the House's arguments Wednesday could be seen as a preview of a case that could be made by federal prosecutors. In the 61-page court filing on Wednesday, lawyers for the House wrote: "Evidence and information available to the Committee establishes a good-faith belief that Mr. Trump and others may have engaged in criminal and/or fraudulent acts, and that Plaintiff's legal assistance was used in furtherance of those activities." Eastman and Trump have not been accused of any crime by federal or state prosecutors, and no top advisers around Trump have been charged for January 6-related crimes. The House has no ability to bring criminal charges. A judge overseeing the civil lawsuit will review the emails himself and decide whether they should stay protected.
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To make its case, the House pointed to Trump's actions to overturn the election, arguing he was criminally attempting to obstruct Congress from certifying his loss of the presidency. "The President called and met with state officials, met numerous times with officials in the Department of Justice, tweeted and spoke about these issues publicly, and engaged in a personal campaign to persuade the public that the election had been tainted by widespread fraud," lawyers for the House wrote. "The evidence supports an inference that President Trump and members of his campaign knew he had not won enough legitimate state electoral votes to be declared the winner of the 2020 Presidential election during the January 6 Joint Session of Congress, but the President nevertheless sought to use the Vice President to manipulate the results in his favor." They also cited an interview with a top adviser in the Trump administration, Keith Kellogg, who overheard Trump pressuring then-Vice President Mike Pence on the morning of January 6, 2021, to block Congress' vote. "Words—and I don't remember exactly either, but something like that, yeah. Like you're not tough enough to make the call," they quoted Kellogg as saying, citing his congressional testimony, which has not previously been released. Laying out their conspiracy argument in the filing, the House committee focused on pressure on Pence. "The conspirators also obstructed a lawful governmental function by pressuring the Vice President to violate his duty to count the electoral certificates presented from certain States. As an alternative, they urged the Vice President to delay the count to allow state legislatures to convene and select alternate electors," they wrote. "The apparent objective of these efforts was to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election and declare Donald Trump the winner. In this way, the conspiracy aimed to obstruct and interfere with the proper functioning of the United States government," the House added.
The House's filing on Wednesday revealed in great detail how officials in the Trump administration were pushing back on the then-President's insistence that the federal government block the election result. Leadership at the Justice Department told the committee, according to transcripts the House submitted to the court, that Trump personally pressured them to investigate election fraud and that they wouldn't hold a news conference he wanted. Richard Donoghue, a former deputy attorney general under Trump, testified that the then-President specifically pushed the Justice Department to label the entire election "corrupt." "He wanted us to say that it was corrupt. And this was consistent with some things he said at other points about. The Department should publicly say that the election is corrupt or suspect or not reliable. At one point, he mentioned the possibility of having a press conference. We told him we were not going to do that," Donoghue testified, according to the House's filing. And Greg Jacob, a top lawyer in the vice president's office, told Eastman in an email on January 6 that he "very respectfully" didn't believe any Supreme Court justice would approve of Eastman's legal theories. "And thanks to your bullshit, we are now under siege," Jacob signed off on the email, at 12:14 p.m. on January 6.
January 6 trial's witness testimony opens with searing Capitol Police audio and emotional testimony The filing also revealed that Jason Miller, a former senior adviser to Trump, told the committee Trump had been advised after the election "in pretty blunt terms" that he was going to lose. Around that January 6, Eastman, a conservative lawyer working with then-President Trump's legal team, was a key voice pushing a theory that Pence could stand in the way of Joe Biden's electoral win. Prominent conservative attorneys as well as Pence and his advisers have largely condemned Eastman's theory as nonsensical and not something that was possible. The House subpoenaed Eastman's emails from Chapman University, his former employer, in recent months, but Eastman went to court to block turning over thousands of the documents -- claiming they are his confidential attorney-client communications. One way the House can try to overcome that confidentiality claim is by showing in court the communications were about ongoing or future crimes, or fraudulent activity. Currently at issue in court are more than 100 emails that Eastman says are part of his Trump representation from January 4 through January 7, 2021, and more than 10,000 total that Eastman is trying to keep from the committee.
The Justice Department has charged more than 750 participants, including some it says engaged in conspiracies, in the pro-Trump riot at the US Capitol, which interrupted Congress from its session certifying the election. The House's argument on Wednesday accuses Trump of conspiring to commit the same types of crimes of which many of his supporters who breached the Capitol grounds have been found guilty.
This story has been updated with additional details Wednesday.
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Trump is guilty of conspiracy to defraud the US of A!
He is alleged to have committed a "conspiracy to defraud the US of A!"
Like every American citizen, he is entitled to a presumption of innocence, and due process.
We have been listening to this jagoff give his side of the story for years, and just as much in the 14 months since Jan 6th happened. He has never lacked a platform to "defend" himself. But its not easy for pathological liars to mount an honest defense.
If the evidence is valid, it will up to a jury to convict.
Speaking of pathological liars the Jan 6th commission is so damn far off their intended purpose that they need to be reminded what their fucking purpose is. To ascertain why Jan 6th happened and to stop it from occurring again.
Since they have already said Pelosi, her cronies, and the Mayor of DC are off limits for their investigation- how the fuck are they going to get an end result?
This is nothing more than another dog and pony show to get Trump. A way to take the spot light off the human fuck up machine the left have put in the White House.
Mid terms are coming. The beat down the Democrats will receive will be more than justified. Then this waste of tax payer money be shut down; and those on it stripped of their committee positions. Maybe the Republicans can start a commission to investigate the left's "summer of love" and all of the politicians that aided and abetted rioters from BLM and Antifa. They can even appoint two token Democrats to make it bipartisan.
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Ronin, your comments never fail to be utterly unfounded and uninformed. For this one, I'll add laughable.
That was never the purpose.
It was always all about Trump.
So in other words, there is zero chance you could refute them.
We already knew that.
Your interpretation of my comment is utterly false. Any review of my participation on NT proves that fact.
Who are the 'we' you pretend to speak for bugsy?
My "interpretation" is completely true.
"Who are the 'we' you pretend to speak for bugsy? "
Pretty much anyone with an iota of common sense and clear vision...ie..
pretty much everyone but most on the left.
That's false too bugsy. I have utterly eviscerated a plethora of Ronin's comments.
If you are unaware of that fact, consider yourself informed.
If you are aware of that fact, you're just spewing bullshit comments.
The sad irony is that were I to turn my attention to another one of Ronin's screeds, silence would ensue from you and yours. Ronin rarely, if ever responds to one of my replies.
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Kind of difficult to debate someone who automatically declares themself right without even getting an reply from the person they responded to.
Maybe one of these days some on here will realize what they BELIEVE is not in line with REALITY.
Kind of difficult to debate someone that posts bullshit proclamations, gets refuted and then bails.
BTW, I see that you didn't even try to deny that I have eviscerated Ronin's comment. Good move.
Give it a try...
Alleged - used to convey that something is claimed to be the case or have taken place, although there is no proof.
Why do the Dems/Libs continue to hang their hats on "wishes" instead of facts? 'Member Schiff? "I have PROOF" - and it never showed up. 'Member Whatney?? "I have PROOF" - and it never showed up. 'Member Pelosi?? "I have PROOF" - and it never showed up.
Sad as hell, that's what it is - sad.
Oh please, the Kings of "I have proof" are Trump and Lindel who both claim they have it about the election being stolen when there was never any and they have yet to show it.
Actually I believe they did show their "proof". Problem is it was all crap and was shot down in every court case they filed.
Paula - c'mon - "Oh please"????? The Dems/Libs have shown over the past 7 years that they have absolutely no idea what "proof" is. Hell, I bet they tell the best bedtime stories in the world for their children based on their "proofs".
In the context of this seed, the legal definition of allege:
So, as you can see for yourself, in this context, alleged means the exact opposite of the definition you posted.
The entomology of that legal definition dates back to at least the 13th Century.
I think they share that distinction with many politicians on the left as well. How many times, for instance, did Schiff, Pelosi and the rest tell us they had the smoking gun on a variety of issues related to Trump but for which there was no evidence?
The whole thing is like the worst reality show ever. Everyone pointing fingers at the other side, all saying they should go to jail and nothing ever happens. Our government is about as faithless as it gets, in my opinion.
Crap! How on earth did I miss the trial? You'd think I would have noticed it. Was there a CCP style "secret court" or something?
we'll soon find out why eastman taught law instead of practicing it...
Being aware of Solicitor-Client privilege, I'm quite interested to see if their argument about continuing criminality will hold water.
From my understanding, the Judge asked the Committee to include the fraud/crime argument in their brief.
Perhaps the judge does not intend to deal with the privilege aspect, but then may use the fraud aspect to override privilege. Or else he just wants to dismiss both with one fell swoop.
Since Eastman's whole case rests on the privilege claim, the Judge has to rule on it. If the fraud/crime claim has legs [and it's pretty clear that it does], it would null and void any privilege claim.
Neither Eastman nor Trump have submitted any evidence that they had a 'Solicitor-Client' relationship, so they haven't even managed to meet that low bar.
Claims of lawyer client privilege are out the door when there is incontrovertible proof that what was being discussed was a criminal conspiracy to defraud the United States...
There is and they were and it is all in writing!
The privilege can be waived by the courts if that information ties into other criminal investigations.
All the problems in this country because of Biden, but, you know what, lets focus on conspiracy theories about Trump.
It isn't theory if there is evidence it happened.
And, there is...
not. Must be your computer shut down before you could finish your sentence.
Take it up with Jan 6th Congressional Cmte...
They say there is evidence to charge Trump.
Link
They must have a shitload of evidence on that steaming pile of shit! Yes!
I need not link shit. You need to read article...
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Read it. Still don't see it. "Could be" doesn't mean he's guilty.
The Jan 6th public hearings are going to prove that Trump tried to steal the 2020 election. The only question is, will any conservatives care that it has been proven?
Nah, he'll walk.
Just another left wing witch hunt
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Then they should charge him. Until then it is nothing more than wishful thinking, a deflection from issues going on now and a way to try and get people to watch MSNBC and CNN.
absurd comment.
It is no surprise that you would think so.
Carry on
Let me know any time you want to debate Trump's conduct surrounding the election.
Unlike some people on this site I am over Trump. I have also noticed it is impossible to have a discussion with someone that spouts conjecture off like it is facts and has such twisted logic it would be impossible to untwist it. As my father would sometimes say "If you are not willing to listen I won't bother trying to talk to you".
Carry on.
Feel free to give us some facts about Trumps conduct surrounding the election. And then we will debate it.
Good thing he is not planning on running for the office again...oh wait.
Then I am sure all of you will come up with the typical, it's better than the alternative meme....
Just in case you missed it the first time I will post it again but thanks for the proof that you don't listen (read) what anyone says(posts)
Unlike some people on this site I am over Trump. I have also noticed it is impossible to have a discussion with someone that spouts conjecture off like it is facts and has such twisted logic it would be impossible to untwist it. As my father would sometimes say "If you are not willing to listen I won't bother trying to talk to you".
Carry on.
I don't know who "all of you" are and I won't try to speak for them. I can only speak for myself, I will think about him if and when he runs. The last two elections were pretty much the lesser of two evils, that may be the case again.
In other words you dont have the capability to discuss Trump's behavior surrounding the election. Fair enough.
"In other words "
Thanks for the proof of twisted logic I spoke of worthy of an eighth grader. Let me try a third and last time.....I t is impossible to have a discussion with someone that spouts conjecture off like it is facts and has such twisted logic it would be impossible to untwist it. As my father would sometimes say "If you are not willing to listen I won't bother trying to talk to you".
Carry on.
The Eastman memo is not conjecture. John Eastman took the fifth amendment 140 times when he appeared before the Jan 6th committee. As Trump says, innocent people dont plead the fifth.
Trump is wrong. Taking the fifth as proof of anything is conjecture and twisted logic. A twofer.
Yet a bipartisan majority of both houses of Congress voted Trump guilty, just not enough to remove him from office. So, some people know he is guilty butt they just do not care...
Where? It's time to put up or shut up. We've been listening to you chirp that for years now and you and the rest of the left haven't provided a goddamn thing.
The same partisan hacks who oversaw the "Russia Collusion" investigation. You would think that failure would be enough for them to learn.
It is amusing that they can seem to go back to pretty much everything Trump has ever said or tweeted and regurgitate it whenever they believe it proves their point. They must have a Trump database.
It is never a good idea to try and declare what other people "know". It is also a bit arrogant to think you have knowledge about what people you have never met know and don't know. I think it would be correct if you said like minded people who agree with me know................
I think they have proven how powerful and all consuming TDS can be.
I think it is on page two of the liberal playbook, right before when all else fails call them a racist.
That's ALL they have. Everything they fabricated as evidence has fallen apart.
That is not what the news is saying about it...
I was thinking 'foolishly absurd comment', but then I'm a little more decorative with my adjectives than you are.
oh, please do decorate away, cause its too bland round here...
PS: Where have you been?
so your own words say you dont know Jack, cause you never met her...? Interesting, your own swords can never be construed as you, knowing anything, because you refuse to swallow
these B s words>? cause like minded peep holes who show how those not actually wishing to see and know, again don't know, don't know Jack, cause theyve never met an accusation against the perp, as in the perpetual LIAR, who's shown he can LIE while sitting up in bed , room, to spare Adam,s Rib, it only depends upon whitch sauce you determine best served width, cause in the times, you ve gone to heights, defending one who lives in that vast area gated community, though like, his offenses know no boundaries, cause when someonme has a tempted, Christ, to have sold so much Proven Bull Ship, we all sink Lower, cause watt if the herd heard that "Jack" was a buoyant, but then declares only Fe mail uncles, can cut through the irony and floated, more bullship lies than there were life boats, do you knoty sea how eaasy it would be to drown in denial aftyer tripping over slippery Pyramids of Green, causer apparently Ass Cidding in Mar Largo is extremely slick, otherwise, one would be, wise denuff to untie shoe laces and stop trippin, over illogical acutely pointing ears directed at the herd that hasnt heard who continue to keerp dropping acid, because it is slippery .....is about your best Defense , F 1 chooses to remain this damn Dense, cause causes & effects can, and are , IMMENSE
How the Hell would i know....
said in jest in case you missed me, to remind one, to work on aim or gargle, with Scope
Can I have a side of Italian dressing with that word salad? Make it two, that is a lot of salad.
Toss it all you want, and maybe you'll then see there is more to it, than the roughage that you past...
Don't come at me with a site that can be edited by virtually anybody with internet access. Bring me actual facts.
Do me a favor and stick with memes.
I left my gibberish decoder ring in the car and it looks like your post is not worth the effort to go get it.
Or lots of Russian vodka before logging onto a computer.
Hunger yes, but expectation ...No
You mean Wikipedia is not a news site?
Enjoy...................
Better thanks. And thanks to Jim above.
So IMO if he did anything illegal he should be held accountable to the full extent of the law.
If it is determined he didn't do anything illegal and was just looking for legal ways to skirt the intent of election law (or however lawyers define it) I would say he is sleazy like the majority of lawyers. If that turns out to be the case then I hope congress will look at it in terms of closing any possible legal "loopholes"(that never actually happened). Hopefully the Jan 6th committee can get their heads out of Trumps ass long enough to give this the attention it deserves.
TDS?
Decorative is good.
Probably off somewhere...using his decorating skillz!
Maybe he's actually thinking of doing a Brandon imitation?
(Whoever this ":Brandon" may be...but so far no-one is sayin'! 'Tis a mystery indeed).
It doesn't sound promising.
Inference. Wow. As clear cut as that?
Acid low on pH
Litmus high and Slippery Base
What? Vinaigrette....
There is totally a lot of evidence.
That is the point yet these denying deniers of denialism deny it though everyone can see it!
Eastman's memo and texts are Nixon's tapes!
That comment is dumber than shit.
But lets be brutally honest. YOU dont think that a president who lies to the people 30,000 times is a problem. You dont think that a president who was going to withhold military assistance to Ukraine in 2019 unless Ukraine agreed to announce an investigation of the US presidents election opponent is a problem. You dont think a US president who tries to steal an election he lost is a problem. You dont think that such a president inciting a riot at the nations capitol is a problem.
You lost your way on these topics a long long time ago. Its a disgrace.
Not nearly as fucking stupid as your daily hit peices on Trump.
Yes, lets be. 20 January 2021 Joe Biden takes office and IMMEDIATELY starts signing EO's ending many of the programs that were started by the previous administration. Why? SOLELY because of who implemented these programs. Since then we have seen unemployment skyrocket. Inflation at the the highest level in 40 fucking years. Illegal immigration is running rampant. Gas prices have almost tripled. He ABANDONED US Citizens and allies in Afghanistan only to send US Forces back in resulting in the UNNECESSARY DEATHS of hundresd of Afghani people and 13 Service members. He's embarrassed this country more times that any of us want to acknowledge. FFS the man can't even string together a simple fucking sentence.
But you and the the rest of the left, day in and day out blame the previous administration. All the while telling everybody that Trumps out of office. Yes. Trump is out of office. But you fail to realize you have no ground to blame Trump for a goddamn thing. The minute that bumbling asshat started signing EO's the took away any chance of any of the blame to be placed on the previous administration. THIS administration ended the construction of a border wall that would provide more secure borders. THIS administration CANCELLED needed permits and ended oil leasing that resulted in us STILL relying on RUSSIA and the middle east for oil because the pipelines have ceased. THIS administration kept relying on a fraud in finding ways to beat COVID resulting in MILLIONS having to quit their jobs, close businesses and relying on the government. Even by the standard BIDEN HIMSELF set during the debates, HE SHOULD RESIGN.
But lets focus on a PROTEST at the capital.
Why don't you look at the 50 years of lies from Biden? Why do you hyper-focus on one person? I know I've ask you that several times and you run away from the question.
you don't think a President withholding military aid until the person investigating his crackhead kids company isn't a problem?
Want to chirp? How about chirping about the DEMOCRATS that called for getting in peoples faces. Funny how your fucking quiet about that. The whole January 6 "riot" could be attributed to the like of that alcoholic calling herself the Speaker of the House. Or that dementia riddled loudmouth Maxine Waters instigating more than you could pin it on the previous POTUS. But, given the whole "Jan 6 Committee" is made up of partisan hacks, those won't get looked at. They're still in the "BUT TRUMMMMPPPP" whine from 2016.
Now that is what I call brutally honest!
I dont know how to break this to you, but one's criminal culpability is not removed because a totally different person does something you dont approve of.
You think that criminal , traitorous behavior by a president of the United States is excused because a Maxine Waters said something on an entirely different subject ? ROFL.
Lets say that Trumps attempts to steal the election worked and he was still president. You wouldnt have Biden to bitch about and Trump would still be guilty.
Its ok, I know all this is beyond you.
I think it's just blah blah blah
trmp did the same thing Biden did...undid EO's because of who signed them....AND signed EO's to push one more pin in his wax Obama doll
While I agree that is what Trump did ( and other presidents probably did also) the rest of the post was specific to the fustercluck that currently resides in the Whitehouse.
Ya know....things don't happen overnight.
Some things don't, some things do, and some things take several months of a bad policy to turn into a disaster. But I think the point of it being harder to blame the guy before you when the first thing you do when you get in office is try to erase him from history is a valid point. And that goes for Trump still blaming Obama for any woes he had after being in office a year.
Thank-you. I concede that Biden hasn't done a very good job
really...? I must have slept through that.
Fair enough. Hopefully he decides not to run again and the dems nominate a moderate that Joe was supposed to be. At least that is my hope. I am not looking forward to another election of the lesser of two evils.
Good morning, Sunshine!
hand me a cold one
R u nercro feeling what im sayin...?
You keep blathering on and on about this. Fucking provide the evidence.
FFS Give it a fucking break. Again, you blather on and on about this all the while ignoring that is EXACTLY what the Democrats attempted to do from 2016 right up to today. What you are doing is what is called HYPOCRISY.
What I honestly find funny is that EVERYBODY has moved on from Trump with the exception of you and a handful of others here on NT. And from you and that handful of others, we see an endless stream of unfounded bullshit. Day in and day out the same garbage from the same people. And in all that garbage, you get blasted. Yet you STILL don't see that you are part of the problem. Deny it all you want but there are far worse problems that have arisen since January 20, 2021.
We all knew things were going to change for the worse. Nobody thought it would plummet to this. Sad thing is, because Biden signed all those EO's in his 1st week, it eliminated any change they could blame the previous administration. And they don't realize it.
You're right. The TDS is so ingrained in them that any critical thinking skills they did have are diminished.
Not really. There were at least 3 points (of the 4 left) in that post that can be lain directly at the feet of capitalism and market forces NOT on any one President. The first of which wasn't really true at all anyway.
While capitalism and market forces definitely have an effect, policies also have an effect. How much each one effects it can be debated with no definitive right or wrong. Ultimately the buck stops with the sitting president and voters are more likely to vote on who is at the top and how their lives are at the time they are voting. Results and fixing what is not working is what counts and few people are willing to accept an excuse as to why things are worse now than they were. The same is true in business, no one is interested in why you can't get things done, only if you did. And if you can't maybe the next guy can.
Here's a thought. You provide evidence that the election was stolen from Trump. Anything.
See 3.1.52 above for a possibility...................................surely changed the outcome to an extent. Not stolen but the rules altered. And I know "but the pandemic" bullshit
Democrats are just so goddamn good at stealing elections that no evidence can ever be found. The evidence is better hidden than all the evidence for Bigfoot, Loch Ness monster, extraterrestrials, and compassionate conservatives combined.
When posting something one should back it up with specifics. At least the specific policy they believe is at issue and why that is. The repetitive Trump bad - Biden bad articles on NTs is droll most days at best.
The voting public in general is at best dumber than a box of rocks and the non-voting public less informed. I support that with the evidence of the last 2 candidates for President - The last ticket was Old-N-Sloppy vs Old-N-Snoozy. Quite a bit of the "independent" votes were against someone, not for someone. And the other 40% to 60% that couldn't pry their face away from their smartphone long enough to bother to vote should be ashamed of themselves. The current crop of idiots serving as "leaders" are counting on the idiocy and ignorance to keep their jobs and the putrid partisanship of the others to keep the campaign cash flowing. I keep getting emails, texts and phone calls from both parties and none of it is how they are going to solve things. It's all about how the other person is so horrible.
Yeah... I'm starting to get old and cynical, but I learned that too from a few people here.
YOU dont think that a president who lies to the people 30,000 times is a problem. You dont think that a president who was going to withhold military assistance to Ukraine in 2019 unless Ukraine agreed to announce an investigation of the US presidents election opponent is a problem. You dont think a US president who tries to steal an election he lost is a problem. You dont think that such a president inciting a riot at the nations capitol is a problem.
Exactly!
Good morning, Sunshine!
three-five-zero-zero . . .
So many people are saying that they find that hard to believe (You know...the typical Brandonesque FIHTB* syndrome).
A syndrome that "lives rent free in their heads" as it were
________
*FIHTB = People are saying that they're playing the basic " F ind I t H ard T o B elieve" Syndrome...
Don't try to turn this around. You have made claim after claim. I'm telling you to back up your claims or do like the rest of us have done and MOVE ON.
I've never seen you back up a claim on this site yet. The only reason I dont rain hell on your ridiculous conspiracy laden opinions , all the time, is because Perrie does not allow it.
Wow, and I thought I was getting old and cynical. I may have met my match.
That's why legislation, rather than EO's should be the goal of any Administration. If Trump can be 'erased from history' [hyperbolic much?] by the swipe of a pen, it's proof that he failed to make any lasting change.
Oh and BTW, revoking prior EO policy does NOT magically erase the adverse effect of that policy.
As an example, the Military construction projects would have been in progress or even completed had Trump not diverted funding for his wall, won't suddenly appear out of thin air.
Care to cite a positive effect of a Trump EO that has been revoked by Biden?
Then you haven't been paying attention. Maybe if you moved on from something important like the shit hold the Democrats have turned this country into instead of the fiction you've been seeding you'd see it.
Rain hell? LMAO. With what, more of the same conspiracy driven bullshit? We've all heard your "Trump Lied!", "Trump wiped his forehead with his right hand instead of his left" garbage. You are stuck on Trump for some reason. Did that man really ruin your lift THAT much? Like I said earlier, everybody has moved on from Trump with the exception of you and a handful of others here on NT. Now that I think about it there are many [removed] included in that handful of people who can't seem to move past Trump.
He also doesn't think that kissing the ass of a now war criminal is a problem either.
Mike Lindell would love this guy.
I asked one of your buddies this question and now I'll ask you:
Care to cite a positive effect of a Trump EO that has been revoked by Biden?
That one sentence proves just how delusional your comment really is.
Cite an example Jeremy, preferably one that is MORE embarrassing than Trump's support of Putin in Helsinki.
Oh and BTFW, when have you ever acknowledged the embarrassment to this country caused by Trump?
FFS, exaggerate much?
You and yours support Trump even though the list of his 'covfefe' is voluminous, which leads me to conclude that being articulate isn't a standard you actually care about.
THIS Administration ended Trump's redistribution of Military funding to build the border wall Jeremy.
BTFW, if one can 'breach' the border wall with a $50 sawzall, it can hardly be characterized as 'secure'.
False AND irrelevant. There are over 21 MILLION acres of undeveloped leases. NOTHING is stopping oil companies from exploring those leases.
RUSSIA only supplies the US with about 4% of its oil imports Jeremy.
Secondly, Persian Gulf oil imports for Trump's term were HIGHER that they are now. So it looks like your posit doesn't pan out.
What lead you to that unfounded conclusion Jeremy? Please cite a link to support your claim that MILLIONS quit their jobs because of a Biden policy. I'll wait.
What 'standard' is that?
Mostly because it would be a false equivalency Jeremy. Trump is the hands down 'Lair n' Chief'. I doubt that there is anyone in history who can compete with the proliferation of lies spewed by Trump.
Well, I think that John focused on what you think because he was replying to your stated position.
Please clarify that question Jeremy.
You're back to that whole false equivalency thingy Jeremy.
If you can't see the difference, I can't help you.
That's quite a proclamation there Jeremy. I challenge you to prove ANY that posit.
Well, you're here to remedy that right Jeremy? Please tell me all about the how the Jan. 6 riot is attributable to the Speaker of the House and Maxine Waters.
Delusional clap trap.
I recommend that you READ the filing from the Committee against Eastman's Executive privilege claim. Hint; It has NOTHING to do with 2016.
Oh man, still trying to sell a lie. This has been debunked numerous times but hey, tell a big lie enough and some morons will believe it.
Talk about hypocrisy. Trump through his EO's purposely set out to remove anything he could if it had Obama's name on it. He even threw out the pandemic play book simply because Obama was involved with it.
I'm paying attention, waiting for you to answer my questions and for you to back up your claims.
It looks like neither you nor any of your thumbs up buddies want to 'chirp' Jeremy.
I totally agree!
All the problems in this country because of Biden
LOL!
BTW-- who is "Brandon"?
And where do you want him to go?
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Gee that's pretty hypocritical since you had no issue with enthusiastically participating in seeds that focus on conspiracy theories about Clinton.
I think a lot of people miss the forest for the trees. Trump did not want to give up the presidency. He didnt care if that was achieved through conspiracy, good legal argument, constant lying, or through good luck. He just wanted to stay in office no matter what.
He ended up alleging nefarious actions had been taken against his re-election all across the width and breadth of this nation, from New Hampshire to Arizona, because he was willing to believe any and every crackpot theory he heard, as long as they led to the conclusion that he had been cheated.
He accepted Giulianis theories, he accepted Sydney Powells theories, and he accepted John Eastman's theory of how he could keep the office through Mike Pence. Trump didn't "care" about any of these ideas as a matter of truth, he cared about them to the extent that he thought they could keep him in power.
In and of itself that makes him guilty of high crimes against the American people.
The only legal 'theory' Trump didn't accept are the ones coming from his own DOJ. Barr said he and Trump went through his 'whatabouts' and instead of accepting facts, Trump just got more pissed off.
Trump didn't want competent legal advice, he wanted and got yes men to play into his narcissism.
Remember this. Every last word in that tweet is a lie.
Joseph Goebbels would be in absolute awe of today's Democrats and their shills in the media.
Democrats have made Goebbels idea a reality.
Oh, and just a reminder of the human fuck up machine in the currently Oval Office also withheld aid that was authorized by Congress from Ukraine.
Using the Democrats moronic standards; we need to impeach Brandon now!
What led you to believe that I read your rambling and ranting posts much less remember any of the nonsense??????????????????????????
Why the fuck would I do that????????????????????????????
sounds like a sound strategy to me. Y would Ukraine need that military aid if Russia was no longerr a threat ?
Who is Brandon?
Why would anyone?
Except for the mysterious Brandon...if in fact he is anyone other than some mythical character?
Maybe from some obscure movie I never saw..???
(Where is Buzz when you need him?)
Y would Ukraine need that military aid if Russia was no longerr a threat ?
I think the problem with that might be that over the years there were times when Putin was able to convince people he was no longer a threat.
But then, once countries let their guards down, he would go back to his previous evil ways/
P.S: ignorantzrulz-- now I'm really curious as to who this "Brandon" may be-- but so far people are refusing to say.
By any chance do you know who he is?
(maybe some NT member from years ago that I have forgotten? Do you know who?)
(maybe some NT member from years ago that I have forgotten? Do you know who?)
Maybe ithey mean Marlon Brandon?
Although IIRC he hasn't been in the news for some time now...(???)
Looks like some people may be having a case of GDS!
(Goebbels Derangement Syndrome)
OMG-- looks like someone just got cancelled..
...or deleted...
Or whatever!
The anti-Christ? Or perhaps..the Anti-Devil...
Maybe too much of "playing the 'Brandon"" card...(whomever that might be?)
Tellya what.
Let's make a deal, OK?
I tell all and expand it for you..if you agree to tell me who this mysterious "Brandon" is...OK?
(What's fair is fair)
Every last word?
Even words such as: "to", "for", "by", "and" & "the"???
I may have missed it but there's probably a dangling participle, a predicate nominative or a split infinitive in there somewhere???
There's no cure for "Stuck on Stupid", eh Magic?
AHA!
Gotcha!
Isn't it interesting that you only mentioned your deleted posts (so we can't check to see if its so).
Actually I wouldn't be at all surprised if you were actually the mysterious Branon after all?
(It was the word "magic" in your nom de plume that tipped us off!)
Or is this Brandon now actually LRF (living rent free)in your head..to coin a phrase?
Perhaps Ronin2 believes that he has you living rent free in his head...or whatever nonsense...
You think the President of the United States is, "No one special"? Well, aren't you special?
As you asked yourself and not who posted the comment, it is yours to answer.
Fox has used that tactic since its satanic conception.
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See 4.1.19 .
Eastman's Memos are the proverbial smoking guns!
There can be no denial Trump engaged in a criminal conspiracy to defraud the American electorate now.
We shall see. We've seen five years worth of the left proclaiming they have found the smoking gun and nothing has come from any of it so far. I'm not doing anything until there's an actual conviction.
After five years of demanding proof, you got it.
You can't deny in your face evidence anymore!
If it's such hard proof then the DOJ will act on it. As I said, until there's an actual conviction I'm not getting excited. We've seen this type of article for the past five years and it's always couched in the same language of 'may have' or 'could have'...
Personally I think the memo's are more damning for any future plans of Trump to run in 2024 and will turn some people away from him that were still uncommitted.
if there are people still FOR Trump, well yes, they should be committed
Did Donald Trump try to steal the 2020 election ?
Instead of deflecting away to Trump Bad like you usually do, why don't you just respond to what I wrote? Everybody already knows what you believe as you post it repeatedly on this site. How about you stop beating that drum and join the conversation for a change.
I asked you a simple question. What we see here , and elsewhere of course, is "conservatives" trying to deflect away from Trump's guilt by saying he has not been convicted, or even charged , with a crime, as if that were the sole standard by which he should be judged (and condemned).
The first suggestion (the preferred one) of the Eastman memo was that Mike Pence would refuse to count the electoral votes of the seven swing states under the guise that the results in these states were "disputed". If the electoral votes in those 7 states were omitted from the final count , Trump would be declared re-elected with a plurality of the electoral votes.
Those 7 states were not legally "disputed", and in fact the election results in those states, and in every other state , had been certified by Jan 6th.
Yet, Trump approved of the Eastman plan and urged Pence to follow it.
Is it legally a criminal offense ? I dont know. Was it an attempt to "steal" the election? Absolutely.
Lets stop all the bullshit and tell it like it is for a change.
yeah, simple fucking answer, yes he did try to steal the election. Now how illegal was it all? That is for the fucking courts to decide. But your question was a deflection away from the actual discussion in 5 and my replies. Are the Eastman memo's an order from Trump to Pence? hell, seems a bit of a stretch to me. They could also be looked at as a conversation... it's been said many times that there's a good reason why we don't see every scrap of paper and every conversation that comes out of the Oval Office from any president because we would be horrified at what they talk about. A lot of what they talk about is really in the "what if" category, such as nuclear war plans against almost every country on earth.
This conversation in 5. started out as a "here's the smoking gun on Trump" comment and that is what I replied to.
We know what was in the Eastman memo because a copy of it was given to journalists Bob Woodward and Robert Costa , probably by Sen Mike Lee who was appalled by it.
John Eastman spoke at the Jan 6th Trump rally at the ellipse, and was praised by Trump on that day, during trumps speech where he said it was not too late for Pence to do the right thing. We also know that Trump has said , in public, that Pence had the opportunity to "overturn" the election but refused to do it.
One wonders how much evidence you need to draw a conclusion.
I'm not a lawyer, are you? So Eastman wrote a couple of memo's where he laid out a plan for Pence to follow. It was talked about within the group and at the rally where it was said that it's not to late for Pence to do the right thing. Again, is that illegal? Or is it a wish? That's for the courts to decide. Anything decided by you or me is all mental masterbation. All we can do with the info is decide if we would vote for Trump again if he decides to run. I've already answered that question several times.
But as I point out, we are not lawyers so standing there saying "This is the smoking gun that gets him this time" is just wind. As I said I won't get too excited by any of this until there is a conviction. And that's not a sure thing either.
Do you finally understand my mindset? I'm not supporting Trump in this but it really doesn't matter what I think because I have no standing in determining guilt or innocence. That is for a court to decide and if the memo's are that clear to a lawyer then the DOJ will take it up. If they don't then it's because there's not enough there to prosecute. But standing on a soap box proclaiming 'he's guilty' doesn't mean a damn thing, it's just wind.
Combined with the texts and emails back and forth discussing the implementation of their conspiracy to steal the election, Eastman's memos prove the case incontrovertibly!
Donald Trump lead a criminal conspiracy to defraud the United States culminating in the January 6th Insurrection. LOCK Him Up Now!
Many smoking guns (and recovered lead) but the senate Trumpsters wouldn't do their job.
Loyalty to the uber-narcissist Trump trumped loyalty to their country. Off with their heads!
it is apparent, NO AMOUNT OF EVIDENCE, Hell, Trump Confessing
, would NOT CONVINCE THESE STUBBORN HEAD IN THE SAND BAND, to even play, with the thought of them being caught, DEAD WRONG
To say nothing of all the "Little Brandons"..living rent-free is the heads of these morons
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