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House Dems block energy independence bill; GOP energy expert slams move as 'unconscionable'

  

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Via:  vic-eldred  •  2 years ago  •  86 comments

By:   Trans Canada (Fox News)

House Dems block energy independence bill; GOP energy expert slams move as 'unconscionable'
House Democrats on Wednesday blocked consideration of a Republican bill aiming for U.S. energy independence from Russia amid the Ukraine war. A former environmental engineer now running for Congress in New Mexico condemned the move as "unconscionable" in comments to Fox News Digital.

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House Democrats on Wednesday blocked consideration of a Republican bill aiming for U.S. energy independence from Russia amid the Ukraine war. A former environmental engineer now running for Congress in New Mexico condemned the move as "unconscionable" in comments to Fox News Digital.

"House Dems just voted against a measure by [House Republicans] to consider the American Energy Independence from Russia Act -- a critical bill that would unleash American energy production," Rep. Stephanie Bice, R-Okla., tweeted Wednesday. "Clearly, Dems don't care about solving our crushing energy crisis. Unbelievable!"

H.R.6858, the American Energy Independence from Russia Act, would approve the Keystone XL pipeline without a presidential permit, direct the president to commission an energy security plan, and open up oil and gas leases across the U.S., among other things. Republicans have emphasized U.S. energy production as the solution to America's importing Russian oil - which President Biden halted in an executive order this month - and to Europe's reliance on Russian oil amid the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

FILE - Gas prices are seen in front of a billboard advertising HBO's Last Week Tonight in Los Angeles, March 7, 2022. (AP Photo/Jae C. Hong, File)

Alexis Martinez Johnson, an environmental engineer and Republican candidate for New Mexico's 3rd Congressional District, slammed Rep. Teresa Leger Fernandez, D-N.M., for voting to block the bill.

"This now marks the second time in as many weeks that Leger Fernandez and her radical left House Democrat allies have blocked a vote on securing energy independence," Martinez Johnson told Fox News Digital. "It is unacceptable and appalling. She is voting with special interests and against the interests of her constituents, of New Mexico, and of our nation."

Alexis Martinez Johnson, candidate for New Mexico's 3rd Congressional District (Alexis Martinez Johnson)

"Here in New Mexico, we are blessed with one of the most energy-rich and energy-diverse states in the country," Martinez Johnson said.

According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration, New Mexico has "a wealth of fossil fuel, mineral, and renewable energy resources," along with "a significant portion of the nation's known uranium reserves." The state's crude oil, natural gas, and coal production place it in America's top 10 energy-producing states.

Welders work on a joint between two sections of pipe during construction of the Gulf Coast Project pipeline in Prague, Oklahoma, U.S., on Monday, March 11, 2013. The Gulf Coast Project, a 485-mile crude oil pipeline being constructed by TransCanada Corp., is part of the Keystone XL Pipeline Project and will run from Cushing, Oklahoma to Nederland, Texas. (Daniel Acker/Bloomberg via Getty Images)

"We could be powering the nation, creating high paying jobs where they are desperately needed, and reinforcing our national security all through our abundant resources," Martinez Johnson argued. "Instead, we are being drowned in high gas prices while the world becomes less stable every day. It's unconscionable."

"From my perspective as an Environmental Engineer, it is infuriating to see my neighbors suffering because Leger Fernandez refuses to help unlock our state's tremendous energy potential," the Republican added.

Fernandez's office did not immediately respond to an after-hours request for comment.


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Vic Eldred
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1  seeder  Vic Eldred    2 years ago

"Climate" is a religion for some.

 
 
 
cjcold
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1.1  cjcold  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    2 years ago

Anthropogenic global warming is reality. Only fossil fuel fools think differently

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  cjcold @1.1    2 years ago

Ahh....the strawman argument raises it's ugly head.


What do we do between now and when we have cheap readily available "green" energy?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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2  Buzz of the Orient    2 years ago

What?  The Dems blocked a bill presented by the Repubs?  LOL.  What is that, getting even?  Tit for tat?  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2    2 years ago

That's simply forcing Americans to keep paying more for gas....until they buy some expensive electric cars!

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    2 years ago

Nah, here in Maryland, they'll be dropping the state tax and that will help.  We'll be okay.  We're willing to pay more for gas and to not bitch and piss and moan and whine about it incessantly and blame it on President Biden - who IS NOT AT FAULT HERE.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.2  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.1    2 years ago

The people will let you know how they feel about that come November.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.3  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.2    2 years ago

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JBB
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2.1.4  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.2    2 years ago

Stay overconfident and nominating big losers!

No Trumps or Bidens will not be on our ballots.

The gop is now nominating unelectable losers.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.5  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.3    2 years ago

And if we really want to feel better we could compare the living to the dead.

What else is Occupy Democrats advertising?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1.6  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.3    2 years ago

You're meme is wrong.  But that's not surprising.  Maybe some research will do you well.

Nation City Price in USD Regular/Gallon
Netherlands Amsterdam $6.48
Norway Oslo $6.27
Italy Milan $5.96
Denmark Copenhagen $5.93
Belgium Brussels $5.91
Sweden Stockholm $5.80
United Kingdom London $5.79
Germany Frankfurt $5.57
France Paris $5.54
Portugal Lisbon $5.35
Hungary Budapest $4.94
Luxembourg $4.82
Croatia Zagreb $4.81
Ireland Dublin $4.78
Switzerland Geneva $4.74
Spain Madrid $4.55
Japan Tokyo $4.24
Czech Republic Prague $4.19
Romania Bucharest $4.09
Andorra $4.08
Estonia Tallinn $3.62
Bulgaria Sofia $3.52
Brazil Brasilia $3.12
Cuba Havana $3.03
Taiwan Taipei $2.84
Lebanon Beirut $2.63
South Africa Johannesburg $2.62
Nicaragua Managua $2.61
Panama Panama City $2.19
Russia Moscow $2.10
Puerto Rico San Juan $1.74
Saudi Arabia Riyadh $0.91
Kuwait Kuwait City $0.78
Egypt Cairo $0.65
Nigeria Lagos $0.38
Venezuela Caracas $0.12

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.7  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @2.1.4    2 years ago

Democrats are in for the biggest ass kicking they ever got!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.8  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.6    2 years ago

Thank you for the time & research

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1.9  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.8    2 years ago

Not a problem.  Anything to call out the propaganda from the left.

Figured I'd use their favorite site to prove them wrong.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.10  Tessylo  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.6    2 years ago
Gas prices around the world
Think you pay a lot for gas? Perhaps you'd prefer to live in Venezuela.
NEW YORK (CNN/Money) � Gasoline prices in the United States, which have recently hit record highs, are actually much lower than in many countries. Drivers in some European cities, like Amsterdam and Oslo, are paying nearly 3 times more than those in the U.S.
The main factor in price disparities between countries is government policy, according to AirInc, a company that tracks the cost of living in various places around the world. Many European nations tax gasoline heavily, with taxes making up as much as 75 percent of the cost of a gallon of gasoline, said a spokesperson for AirInc.
In a few Latin America and Middle-East nations, such as Venezuela and Saudi Arabia, oil is produced by a government-owned company and local gasoline prices are kept low as a benefit to the nation's citizens, he said. All prices updated March, 2005.

Where's the date for your source?  It's cut off

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.11  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.8    2 years ago

There's no date on that source.  It's questionable without the exact date.  I don't see it.  Provide it.  

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1.12  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.10    2 years ago
Where's the date for your source?  It's cut of

Click the link.

And where's the link to your source?

 
 
 
Ronin2
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2.1.13  Ronin2  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    2 years ago

Don't forget the expensive recharging stations they will need for their homes. Or maybe the Dems expect us all to buy two electric cars and just alternate? I am sure with the parts shortages the auto industry is suffering that will be both realistic and inexpensive for consumers.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.1.14  Ozzwald  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.10    2 years ago

Where's the date for your source?  It's cut off

From his source article...

All prices updated March, 2005

17 years old!!!!!

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.15  Tessylo  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.12    2 years ago

I did click the link and it's cut off.  Quite convenient don't you think?

I note you conveniently left off the section where the information was updated in 2005.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.16  Tessylo  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.14    2 years ago

Note no response after that for the 17 year old information????????????????????????????????????????????????

 
 
 
Kavika
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2.1.17  Kavika   replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.12    2 years ago

From your source, Jeremy.

In a few Latin America and Middle-East nations, such as Venezuela and Saudi Arabia, oil is produced by a government-owned company and local gasoline prices are kept low as a benefit to the nation's citizens, he said. All prices updated March, 2005.
 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.18  Tessylo  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.6    2 years ago
"You're meme is wrong.  But that's not surprising.  Maybe some research will do you well."

That's 'your' and your research is off by 17 years.

Maybe updating your research to the present time will do you well.  

 
 
 
Kavika
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2.1.19  Kavika   replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.9    2 years ago

What you proved is that you don't read your own links.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1.20  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.15    2 years ago
I did click the link and it's cut off.

Then take it up with them.  

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1.21  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.15    2 years ago

And where's the link to your source?

 
 
 
Kavika
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2.1.22  Kavika   replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.6    2 years ago

Here is the current price of gas in the Netherlands. 

Netherlands Gasoline prices, 14-Mar-2022

Netherlands Gasoline prices
Litre Gallon
 EUR 2.222 8.411
 USD 2.432 9.206

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.23  Tessylo  replied to  Kavika @2.1.22    2 years ago

Which means my source is exactly right and Jeremy's IS NOT.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1.24  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.23    2 years ago

My 1st one is more accurate than the link you provided.  Oh wait...

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.25  Tessylo  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.20    2 years ago

We're taking it up with you for providing seriously outdated information.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.26  Tessylo  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.24    2 years ago
"My 1st one is more accurate than the link you provided.  Oh wait..."

My source is accurate and no link is needed.

Your link is 17 years old.

Oh wait . . . 

 
 
 
Dulay
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2.1.27  Dulay  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.9    2 years ago
Not a problem.  Anything to call out the propaganda from the left. Figured I'd use their favorite site to prove them wrong.

Well you figured wrong, didn't you Jeremy? 

Either you're trying to gaslight 'our readers' or you just don't care if what you post here is relevant or accurate. 

 
 
 
Hallux
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2.1.28  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    2 years ago
...until they buy some expensive electric cars!

Ah, that old canard ... Remember when a 48" flat screen was priced in the high $1000's and now they are in the low $100s? 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.1.29  Ozzwald  replied to  Dulay @2.1.27    2 years ago
Either you're trying to gaslight 'our readers' or you just don't care if what you post here is relevant or accurate.

Or you never bothered to read the link that you posted, before posting it.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.30  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.5    2 years ago
"And if we really want to feel better we could compare the living to the dead.
What else is Occupy Democrats advertising?"

WTF is that supposed to mean?

The truth and nothing but.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.31  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ronin2 @2.1.13    2 years ago

We have 4 of them (Tesla charging stations) in a side lot of a supermarket near me. I never see a car go near them.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1.32  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.26    2 years ago
My source is accurate and no link is needed

No link needed?  Then you can shut up about mine. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.33  Tessylo  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.32    2 years ago

Mine is truthful.  Yours is inaccurate.  It's 17 years old.  

Just because mine doesn't need a link doesn't mean it's not truthful.

I won't shut up about anything!

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1.34  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Dulay @2.1.27    2 years ago
Well you figured wrong, didn't you Jeremy?

I've been proving the left wrong on many occasions.  I made 1 mistake and post the wrong info and you all celebrate like you won the Stanley Cup.  You haven't won anything.  

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1.35  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.33    2 years ago

I'll beleive that when you provide a link.  [deleted]

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.36  Tessylo  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.34    2 years ago

You have never proven us wrong on anything.

You will never admit you're wrong even when it's pointed out to you time and time again.  

Your need, just like a lot of those on the 'right', to have the last word, no matter how wrong you are.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1.37  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.36    2 years ago
You will never admit you're wrong

I guess you missed 2.1.34 .  RIF.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.38  Tessylo  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.37    2 years ago

You've made more than one mistake.  

Whoop de fucking doo that you owned up to ONE of them.

RIF - I will never layoff - I will always call you out.

 
 
 
Dulay
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2.1.39  Dulay  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.34    2 years ago
I've been proving the left wrong on many occasions. 

Your own links have also proven YOU wrong on many occasions. 

I made 1 mistake and post the wrong info and you all celebrate like you won the Stanley Cup. 

I'm not celebrating Jeremy. 

You haven't won anything.

That's the difference between you and I Jeremy, I'm not here to 'win' anything, I am here to post facts. Hopefully, this will cause you to vet your sources more carefully in the future before you post them here. 

 
 
 
SteevieGee
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2.1.40  SteevieGee  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.6    2 years ago

From your link:

 All prices updated March, 2005.

lol.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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2.1.41  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.6    2 years ago

Where is Canada on that list of gas prices?  I can remember back to when it was 42 cents a gallon.

 
 
 
arkpdx
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2.1.42  arkpdx  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.10    2 years ago

You know what. I don't give a rats fat payout what people pay in other countries for gas. I don't live in any of the other countries, I live in the USA . Also how much of the foreign gas prices are due to overly high taxes? 

 
 
 
charger 383
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2.1.43  charger 383  replied to  arkpdx @2.1.42    2 years ago

Agree, Prices in the USA are what are important to me. 

 
 
 
JBB
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2.2  JBB  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2    2 years ago

The gop's lousy bill is chok full of poison pills the gop knew could never get enough votes to pass...

It is just a ploy so the could do what they're doing.

Implying Democrats oppose energy independence.

Democrats want cleaner renewable independence.

The gop bill just throws more money at oil and coal.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.2.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @2.2    2 years ago
Democrats want cleaner renewable independence.

And it's a long way from today.

People need the resources we have now!

 
 
 
Dulay
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2.2.2  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2.1    2 years ago
And it's a long way from today. People need the resources we have now!

Yes 'people' do yet the bill doesn't mandate that ONE DROP of those recourses be delegated to the use of the AMERICAN people. In FACT, some of the provision of the bill specifically enable EXPORT. 

In short, any and/or all production can be EXPORTED and sold elsewhere, having NO effect on OUR energy independence. 

The GOP bill AND its title is a red herring. 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.2.3  Ozzwald  replied to  JBB @2.2    2 years ago

The gop bill just throws more money at oil and coal.

Why are they so intense on supporting Canadian oil anyway?  I don't understand that at all.  The Keystone pipeline does not help US oil independence, does not help unemployment, and will most likely cost us millions of dollars to clean up after leaks.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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2.2.4  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.3    2 years ago

I don't give a damn that America cancelled the Keystone XL pipeline it agreed to and set Alberta up to build, as long as America repays Alberta the $1.3b they caused Alberta to spend building it.  Broken agreements do lead to consequences.

 
 
 
Dulay
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2.2.5  Dulay  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.2.4    2 years ago

The US didn't cause Alberta to make that investment Buzz. 

Alberta made that bet with their eyes wide open:

Another article linked in your source:

After investing billions in project, Kenney marks start of Keystone XL construction in Alberta | CBC News

On Friday, Kenney said his government would not rest until the full project is built and will work hard to pitch the benefits of the project to officials in the U.S.

"We will be reaching out, as we already have... to members of [Biden's] party, many of whom support the project," Kenney said, citing both lawmakers and unions. 

He said the investment by his government helped get the project moving and is a "conscious risk" to create "facts on the ground" that could force the hand of any U.S. administration in overturning a project that is already partially constructed. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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2.2.6  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Dulay @2.2.5    2 years ago

Oh, okay.

 
 
 
goose is back
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2.3  goose is back  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2    2 years ago
What is that, getting even?

I guess Democrats or more concerned about getting even than taking care of the people that elected them.  Hope that works out for them in November. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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2.3.1  Dulay  replied to  goose is back @2.3    2 years ago

All the Democrats need to do is EDUCATE the electorate.

MORE US oil does NOT guarantee LOWER gas prices. PERIOD, full stop. 

Oil is a commodity traded internationally, and it's price is control by producers and traders, NOT the US government. 

There ARE countries who control their domestic gas prices since their production is controlled by the government. Shall we go there goose? 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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2.3.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Dulay @2.3.1    2 years ago

My not being aware of what was in the bill did prevent me from making a more thoughtful comment.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3  Tessylo    2 years ago

How is it, according to the 'article', that we're facing 'a crushing energy crisis'?  Don't tell me to read the 'article', which I did.  

So many of these 'articles' simply make statements with absolutely nothing to back them up.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @3    2 years ago
How is it, according to the 'article', that we're facing 'a crushing energy crisis'? 

Any thoughts?

 
 
 
JBB
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3.1.1  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1    2 years ago

Doncha know? Markets provide incentives for companies to up the supply at these prices?

Were market forces suspended by Joe Biden?

Production was down because prices tanked.

Half my friends in Oklahoma were mad about low oil prices. Half are mad now they're up.

Some cases they're the same People Bitching.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4  Tessylo    2 years ago

"A former environmental engineer now running for Congress in New Mexico condemned the move as "unconscionable" in comments to Fox News Digital."

So what?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @4    2 years ago
So what?

You bet!  Let them eat cake!

 
 
 
JBB
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4.1.1  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1    2 years ago

Butt, Ted Cruz of Texas is already claiming all the credit for the bloody high oil prices being credited with pumping billions and billions of new blue state dollars into the Texan's coffers!

original

 
 
 
Hallux
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4.1.2  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1    2 years ago
Let them eat cake!

Something Marie Antoinette never said ... glad to see you did not attribute it. 

 
 
 
evilone
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5  evilone    2 years ago
H.R.6858, the American Energy Independence from Russia Act, would approve the Keystone XL pipeline without a presidential permit, direct the president to commission an energy security plan, and open up oil and gas leases across the U.S.

Things that will not give us energy independence, nor reduce the cost of gas. This is nothing more than political circus, the same as the Dems putting up a bill to spend more on something they know the Reps won't vote for. Go ahead lemmings and send you sweet cash to your favorite politician so they can keep doing dumb shit like this.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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5.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  evilone @5    2 years ago

dumb shit?  We'll see how many Americans agree in about 8 months.

 
 
 
evilone
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5.1.1  evilone  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1    2 years ago
dumb shit?

I'll tell you what, Vic... You give me a cogent, logical reason why YOU believe the XL pipeline contributes to energy independence and I'll donate to Ron Johnson's reelection campaign. 

 
 
 
Kavika
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5.1.2  Kavika   replied to  evilone @5.1.1    2 years ago

Don't you know that he thinks that Canada is part of the US, that the whole ''Energy Independence'' thingy. 

If we could get the oil companies to start pumping from the well they shut down we just might pump enough gas. 

Canada Gasoline prices, 14-Mar-2022

Canada Gasoline prices
Litre Gallon
 CAD 2.010 7.609
 USD 1.568 5.936
 EUR 1.433 5.424

Here is a link to an excellent article on the XL pipeline and the amounts of oil coming currently coming from Canada. It just might give our readers that are blindly supporting the XL that they have no idea what they are talking about.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.1.3  Tessylo  replied to  Kavika @5.1.2    2 years ago
"Here is a link to an excellent article on the XL pipeline and the amounts of oil coming currently coming from Canada. It just might give our readers that are blindly supporting the XL that they have no idea what they are talking about."

They know that but they continue to spout the lies.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.1.4  Tessylo  replied to  Kavika @5.1.2    2 years ago

It says the link for the globalpetrolprices is not found but I'm betting your source isn't 17 years old!  jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
evilone
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5.1.5  evilone  replied to  Kavika @5.1.2    2 years ago
If we could get the oil companies to start pumping from the well they shut down we just might pump enough gas. 

That's a part of the problem. We pump out light sweet crude. Our refineries cannot process it. It gets exported outside the country and gas is imported back. What Congress could do, but won't (because they are all invested in O&G) is to pass legislation requiring a healthy percentage of gas is refined here AND provide incentives for companies to do so. 

 
 
 
Kavika
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5.1.6  Kavika   replied to  Tessylo @5.1.4    2 years ago

That's strange the other one works but this one doesn't. Simply enough just type in gas prices and the link pops up.

 
 
 
Dulay
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5.1.7  Dulay  replied to  evilone @5.1.1    2 years ago

Silence ensues. 

 
 
 
Steve Ott
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5.1.8  Steve Ott  replied to  Kavika @5.1.2    2 years ago

If I remember correctly, there are currently some 4000 oil and gas wells that are capped. Meaning they could produce, but they have no wellheads connecting to pipelines.

There could be more production, but that would cut into the executive suites bonuses.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
6  Tessylo    2 years ago

"H.R.6858, the American Energy Independence from Russia Act, would approve the Keystone XL pipeline without a presidential permit, direct the president to commission an energy security plan, and open up oil and gas leases across the U.S., among other things. Republicans have emphasized U.S. energy production as the solution to America's importing Russian oil - which President Biden halted in an executive order this month - and to Europe's reliance on Russian oil amid the Russian invasion of Ukraine."

What a useless pile of shit.  The Keystone pipeline would have no benefit to the US WHATSOEVER.  Why does that keep being considered???????????????????

SO FUCKING WHAT?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @6    2 years ago
SO FUCKING WHAT?

It maybe time to drill for oil.  Just sayin'

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
6.1.1  Ozzwald  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1    2 years ago

It maybe time to drill for oil.  Just sayin'

Do you honestly think the American government is doing the drilling?  Why don't you ask the oil companies why they aren't drilling more?  They own plenty of land that they haven't bothered doing anything with.

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
6.1.2  Ronin2  replied to  Ozzwald @6.1.1    2 years ago
Do you honestly think the American government is doing the drilling? 

No, but Biden is responsible for the new rules and regulations that make drilling cost prohibitive in many areas. Companies aren't going to drill to lose money; they have stock holders and banks to answer to just like any other major corporation.

Why don't you ask the oil companies why they aren't drilling more?

Why should we? It isn't our damn job. But it is Biden's job. So why hasn't he sat down with US oil companies and asked them with the price of a barrel of oil so damn high why they haven't increased production? Instead he is sniping at them; and accusing them of price gouging US citizens. Could it be because he already knows the damn answer? That his policies have made it cost prohibitive and the price per barrel will have to climb much higher for them to move. That they will request he temporarily remove the new rules and regulations he put in place. That Biden will then have to face down the hard left wac jobs in his own party to reduce prices. 

They own plenty of land that they haven't bothered doing anything with.

Land doesn't = oil. Little things like how deep it is buried. What type of sediment and rock; or if there is an untapped water reserve in the path, they have to drill through or around. Is there enough oil present to even bother drilling? Then they have to get funding to move the rig in place; set up all the environmental control measures; and allocate personnel. Too many leftists think they can just drop a rig and start drilling anywhere.

Biden would rather talk to third world dictators that hate the US and offer them anything they want than to actually talk to US oil companies directly. That should tell everyone all they need to know.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Guide
6.1.3  Dulay  replied to  Ronin2 @6.1.2    2 years ago
That his policies have made it cost prohibitive and the price per barrel will have to climb much higher for them to move.

You claimed that twice. 

Please post a link to these prohibitive policies you speak of. If that information is within a large document [doubtful] please cite the page or quote the paragraph. 

I'll wait but won't be holding my breath. 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
6.1.4  Ozzwald  replied to  Ronin2 @6.1.2    2 years ago
No, but Biden is responsible for the new rules and regulations that make drilling cost prohibitive in many areas.

List them and link to them.

Why should we?

Because you're the ones bitching about us needing more drilling in the US.

Land doesn't = oil. Little things like how deep it is buried. What type of sediment and rock; or if there is an untapped water reserve in the path, they have to drill through or around.

Then why did they buy/lease that land?  Don't you think they do geological surveys at the sites, before they purchase/lease the land????

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Guide
6.1.5  Dulay  replied to  Ronin2 @6.1.2    2 years ago
Biden would rather talk to third world dictators that hate the US and offer them anything they want than to actually talk to US oil companies directly. That should tell everyone all they need to know.

You could explain HOW US oil companies will control the PRICE of oil Ronin? Please be specific. 

 
 
 
Wishful_thinkin
Freshman Silent
7  Wishful_thinkin    2 years ago

We are and can be only as "energy independent" as the oil and gas companies allow us to be.  "We" don't own the oil and gas.  The companies that drill and extract the oil and gas own it and can then do whatever they want with it and sell it wherever they want to in order to maximize their profits.  

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Participates
8  Greg Jones    2 years ago

Nevertheless, Joe is the Current Occupant and will receive the lion's share of the blame for the worst inflation in 40 years, especially affecting energy prices...just like Trump would have been, had he been reelected.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
8.1  Ozzwald  replied to  Greg Jones @8    2 years ago
Nevertheless, Joe is the Current Occupant and will receive the lion's share of the blame

He will receive the blame from right wingers who never blamed Trump for anything while he was POTUS.  That's just what right wingers do.  Just like the ones that blame 9/11 on Obama .

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Quiet
8.1.1  arkpdx  replied to  Ozzwald @8.1    2 years ago

 Up until the pandemic and the panic of it from the left the economy was excellent, oil prices were down, unemployment was down, inflation was low, we didn't abandon citizens,green card holders and others legally able to enter the US in a country to be hunted down, Russia did not invade an independent country and issue threats to the rest of the world, China did not threaten the rest of the world if they assisted Taiwan militarily.

He moved our embassy in Israel from TelAviv to Jerusalem where it belongs. He nominated three excellent choices for the Supreme Court. He started the border wall. He started deported illegal aliens that had already been told to leave the country. He fat tracked the COVID vaccine with Operation Warp Speed.

He also beat possibly the worst candidate for president the democrats ever proposed. 

Just what were we supposed to blame him for?

 
 

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