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Motion to unseal

  

Category:  Op/Ed

By:  vic-eldred  •  2 years ago  •  233 comments

Motion to unseal
"Just now, the Justice Department has filed a motion in the Southern District of Florida to unseal a search warrant and property receipt relating to a court-approved search that the FBI conducted earlier this week," Garland said. "That search was a premises located in Florida belonging to the former president."

Link to quote above:  https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/president-donald-trump-fbi-raid-mar-a-lago-house-news

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Today Joe Biden's Attorney General came out of hiding and announced that he signed off on the raid that stunned the nation the other night. The DOJ also filed a motion to have the warrant unsealed. Both the DOJ and FBI have lost the trust of many Americans. The outstanding question is what happened between June when there was cooperation over documents and just recently when the Trump home was raided.

"A federal judge Thursday gave the Justice Department until 3 p.m. Friday to certify whether former President Donald Trump supports or opposes unsealing the warrant and property receipt from the FBI's search of his Mar-a-Lago home Monday.

"The United States shall immediately serve a copy of its Motion on counsel for former President Trump," Magestrate Judge Bruce Reinhard wrote in an order on the DOJ's motion to unseal the warrant and property receipt. "On or before 3:00 p.m. Eastern time on August 12, 2022, the United States shall file a certificate of conferral advising whether former President Trump opposes the Government's motion to unseal."

https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/president-donald-trump-fbi-raid-mar-a-lago-house-news

Christina Bob, a Trump attorney, now says she has a copy of the affidavit. So, this is one more political stunt: Garland is putting the burden on Trump to let a federal judge release the judicial warrant that allowed that outrageous search of Mar-a-Lago. Meta Deleted SP          By next Friday the warrant might be unsealed. That of course, is only one part of this political melodrama.  Garland had a difficult time trying to say the DOJ is doing all this by the legal book or that he had no other way.

Here is my question: It doesn't require disclosure of what was in the warrant, to tell the American public why such a heavy-handed raid was necessary?

What I really want to see is the application for the warrant. (the affidavit)


The Week:

CDC's new guidance:  "Federal health officials scaled back   guidance for quarantining   and testing   to screen for Covid-19  in settings including schools, a relaxation of pandemic precautions that reflects higher protection from vaccines, treatments and prior infection. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Thursday said it no longer recommends that people quarantine after being exposed to the virus, as long as they don’t feel sick, get tested after five days and wear a high-quality mask around others for 10 days. People should still isolate from others for   at least five days   if they test positive, the CDC said."

https://www.wsj.com/articles/cdc-drops-quarantine-recommendation-following-covid-19-exposure-11660244410?mod=hp_lead_pos11

The CDC has done such a wonderful job, haven't they?

Shootings soar in Philadelphia:  " So far this year, more than 1,400 people in the city have been shot, hundreds of them fatally, a higher toll than in the much larger cities of New York or Los Angeles. Alarms have sounded about gun violence across the country over the past two years, but Philadelphia is one of the few major American cities where it truly is as bad as it has ever been."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/everybody-is-armed-as-shootings-soar-philadelphia-is-awash-in-guns/ar-AA10zlpV

That's what happens when you emasculate the police. I suppose somebody is going to tell us it's because people were cooped up during the pandemic.

Cincinnati standoff:  " A man armed with a rifle tried to break into the security screening area of the FBI’s Cincinnati field office before fleeing the scene and being killed in a gun battle with police, officials said. The man attempted to breach the screening area at the office Thursday morning, the Federal Bureau of Investigation said. His entry set off an alarm, and armed agents responded. He first fired a nail gun at law enforcement, then brandished an AR-15-style rifle before fleeing in a Ford Crown Victoria, according to law enforcement officials. He was reportedly wearing body armor. The man, identified as 42-year-old Ricky Shiffer, had possible ties to extremist groups, according to a law-enforcement official. Those ties could include affiliation with the Proud Boys, the official said. The  Proud Boys played a role   in the   Jan. 6, 2021, attack   on the U.S. Capitol."


https://www.wsj.com/articles/armed-man-attempted-to-enter-fbi-office-in-cincinnati-11660237351?mod=politics_lead_pos2

As I said, the FBI is no longer trusted by many.

Stink relief:  "According to New Jersey officials, the foul smell has been reported across several counties before being identified on Wednesday. A tanker truck at a truck stop was releasing a chemical that caused the stench around Paulsboro, Gloucester County, officials said. Gloucester County Emergency Management issued a shelter-in-place around 11:30 p.m. on Wednesday for East Greenwich, Paulsboro, Gibbstown and areas across the Delaware River after the fumes worsened. The issue was lifted approximately two hours later."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/south-jersey-to-find-relief-from-reeking-smell/ar-AA10zcrO

We can't blame  Jersey  anymore!


What have we learned?

It was an eventful week. Deleted for meta and a sweeping generalization - Sandy they get the Vice President of the United States supporting get out of jail funding. Worst of all they have corrupted the FBI to the point that it can't be saved. It seems that the politicized & weaponized FBI likes to send messages to Trump, his supporters and Republicans in general. Everyone of us is subject to a full 30 man armed raid. Well guess what?  Yesterday a member of the misled "Proud Boys" sent the FBI a little message as well.

We mark America's opponents well. They riot and threaten us.  Deleted for meta - sandy You may ask: Who would do such a thing? Better yet, why have they been tolerated for so long? Going forward we have to be unrelenting. Today we heard the politically corrupt Merrick Garland say that he would defend the FBI's "integrity." It is clearly too late for that.



Cartoon of the Week


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Honorable Mention:

Whole Foods co-founder and CEO John Mackey

"My concern is that I feel like socialists are taking over," Mackey, who is set to retire from the Amazon-owned grocery chain at the end of the month after 44 years at the company, said in a  podcast  this week with Reason Magazine. "They're marching through the institutions."

Socialists have "taken over education. It looks like they've taken over a lot of the corporations. It looks like they've taken over the military. And it's just continuing — so I'm deeply concerned," he added."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/whole-foods-ceo-john-mackey-socialists-are-taking-over/


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Vic Eldred
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1  author  Vic Eldred    2 years ago

President Trump's response:

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Dulay
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1.1  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    2 years ago

Why hasn't Trump released the documents himself? 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Dulay @1.1    2 years ago

I bet you won't get an answer to that question.  

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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1.1.2  Nerm_L  replied to  Dulay @1.1    2 years ago
Why hasn't Trump released the documents himself? 

Releasing the documents won't explain the actions of the DOJ and FBI.  Garland and Wray are not constrained by a gag order.  James Comey set the precedent for public explanation of FBI actions and justifications.  Unsealing the documents won't make this go away.  DOJ and FBI will still be confronted with questions that need answers.

Trump still holds a security clearance so simply possessing classified material isn't the problem.  Clinton's email server set the precedent.  The issue is secure storage of classified material; not possession of classified material.  The Clinton investigation was about inadequate security measures and not about possessing classified material.  

 
 
 
Dulay
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1.1.3  Dulay  replied to  Nerm_L @1.1.2    2 years ago
James Comey set the precedent for public explanation of FBI actions and justifications.

Um, did you forget that Comey was FIRED because of it?

Unsealing the documents won't make this go away.  DOJ and FBI will still be confronted with questions that need answers.

Here's hoping that you get all the answers you need from the transcript of the trial. 

Trump still holds a security clearance so simply possessing classified material isn't the problem. 

False. Trump holds NO level of security clearance. 

Clinton's email server set the precedent. 

Utter BS. 

The issue is secure storage of classified material; not possession of classified material.

Actually, it's BOTH.   

The Clinton investigation was about inadequate security measures and not about possessing classified material.  

After millions spent on multiple investigations, NO wrongdoing was found on Clinton's part. In fact, NO ONE was prosecuted for ANYTHING. You should read Trey Gowdy's and the IG's reports if you don't believe me. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.4  Tessylo  replied to  Dulay @1.1.3    2 years ago

So how some folks just make that shit up as they go . . . 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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1.1.5  Nerm_L  replied to  Dulay @1.1.3    2 years ago
Um, did you forget that Comey was FIRED because of it?

Fired by who?

Here's hoping that you get all the answers you need from the transcript of the trial. 

What trial?  Congress is responsible for oversight, not the courts.

False. Trump holds NO level of security clearance. 

Untrue.

After millions spent on multiple investigations, NO wrongdoing was found on Clinton's part. In fact, NO ONE was prosecuted for ANYTHING. You should read Trey Gowdy's and the IG's reports if you don't believe me.

That's not correct.  The question concerning Clinton's email server was intent.  The ultimate conclusion was that Clinton was self centered and incompetent.  Clinton did not intend to do anything nefarious or criminal with the information on her server.  Clinton set up an email server outside of government channels because of her own paranoia and distrust in government systems.  Clinton's use of a private email server was self serving and incompetent.

Clinton being a paranoid conspiracy theorist is not criminal.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.1.6  Split Personality  replied to  Nerm_L @1.1.5    2 years ago
False. Trump holds NO level of security clearance. 
Untrue.

True. Presidents are not subject to security screening and technically have no level of

security clearance.

Once out of office, he or she still has no security level.

The current POTUS then decides which prior occupants of the WH get courtesy

briefings.

No members of the House, Senate or the Cabinet are subject to security screening.

What Kind of Security Clearance Does the President Get? (clearancejobs.com)

Security Clearances In And Out Of White House: What You Need To Know : NPR

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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1.1.7  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Split Personality @1.1.6    2 years ago

Trump is the clown that denied Biden and his team briefings by the intelligence community, no ?

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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1.1.8  Nerm_L  replied to  Split Personality @1.1.6    2 years ago
Presidents are not subject to security screening and technically have no level of security clearance.

That is incorrect.  Presidents are not subject to security screening; that part is true.  However, a President is commander in chief and has the authority to both classify and declassify material.  A President actually holds the highest security clearance in the executive branch of government.

No members of the House, Senate or the Cabinet are subject to security screening.

Voters grant the authority over classified materials.  That's why bureaucratic government is subordinate to elected officials.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.1.9  Split Personality  replied to  Nerm_L @1.1.8    2 years ago
That is incorrect. 

Wrong again.

Presidents are not subject to security screening; that part is true. 

Thanks.

However, a President is commander in chief and has the authority to both classify and declassify material.

Technically and practically, yes, and settled by SCOTUS in 1988 in Navy vs Egan,

(provided the President follows the protocol for declassifying top secret docs which the

Trump Administration apparently failed to do properly),

so based on Roe v Wade, I suppose that could be overturned as well.

  A President actually holds the highest security clearance in the executive branch of government.

By fiat alone and yet he is still restricted from seeing certain documents, he is after all

a temporary executive, not a king.

 
 
 
Dulay
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1.1.10  Dulay  replied to  Nerm_L @1.1.5    2 years ago
Fired by who?

Only ONE person can fire the Director of the FBI. 

What trial? 

The trial for the crimes listed in the warrant. Go READ it. 

Congress is responsible for oversight, not the courts.

This isn't about government oversight; this is about federal crimes. 

That's not correct. 

Bullshit Nerm. Your hyperbolic soliloquy is merely unfounded opinion. I am referring to actual investigative reports by those that desperately wanted to nail Clinton yet after spending millions, had to admit there was no there, there.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.11  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @1.1.10    2 years ago

One thing stands out like the elephant in the room...

Where is the indictment?

 
 
 
Dulay
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1.1.12  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.11    2 years ago
One thing stands out like the elephant in the room...

The elephant in THIS room is that even after all of the evidence presented in the warrant and the inventory, you're still deflecting. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.13  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @1.1.12    2 years ago

You cite lot's of evidence, but still no indictment.

Where is it?

 
 
 
Dulay
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1.1.14  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.13    2 years ago

The same place as the Clinton indictment Vic. jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.15  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @1.1.14    2 years ago

Right!

I do like honesty.  

So the ruling left is still lying and cheating.

Thanks

 
 
 
Dulay
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1.1.16  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.15    2 years ago
Right!
I do like honesty.  

Delusional and utterly unsupported by your comments. 

So the ruling left is still lying and cheating.

So you're just going to throw out utterly unfounded bullshit. 

Hey, you be you Vic. 

Thanks

I accept no thanks for you posting comments like those in this thread. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.17  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @1.1.16    2 years ago
Delusional

By giving you credit for honesty?

Ok, have yourself a good day.

 
 
 
Dulay
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1.1.18  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.17    2 years ago
By giving you credit for honesty?

Where did you do that Vic? 

You stated:

I do like honesty.  

Nothing to do with me. 

Ok, have yourself a good day.

The go to for: 'I've run out of bullshit'. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    2 years ago

What happened was -  Trump turned over some of the documents in question earlier this year, but not all of them. The DOJ learned this because of an informant within Trump's inner circle. Thus the "raid". 

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Vic Eldred
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1.3.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @1.3    2 years ago
What happened was -  Trump turned over some of the documents in question earlier this year, but not all of them. The DOJ learned this because of an informant within Trump's inner circle. Thus the "raid". 

Sounds like rumor.  And you have all that documented?

How about a link?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.3.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.3.1    2 years ago

Read something besides Just The News and maybe you will learn something. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.3.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.3.1    2 years ago

You do know that a subpoena was served on him for the documents earlier this year dont you? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.3.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @1.3.2    2 years ago

I didn't request an insult. I asked for a link to your claim.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.3.5  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @1.3.3    2 years ago
You do know that a subpoena was served on him for the documents earlier this year dont you? 

I do.

However you just said: "but not all of them. The DOJ learned this because of an informant within Trump's inner circle. Thus the "raid". 

That is the part I want a link to!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.3.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @1.3.3    2 years ago
but not all of them. The DOJ learned this because of an informant within Trump's inner circle. Thus the "raid". 

Nobody has yet proved there was an informant.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.3.7  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.3.4    2 years ago

Did Trump reply to the earlier subpoena or not?  If he did and withheld documents that is reason to raid him. If he didnt reply that is reason to raid him too. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.3.8  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @1.3.7    2 years ago
Did Trump reply to the earlier subpoena or not?

That is not what I asked a link for.

You said there was an informer.

PROVE IT

 
 
 
Dulay
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1.4  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    2 years ago

"Typically when a person avoids answering a question, that       question was posed by another person in a debate or discussion  . In such cases, the person is not only evincing flawed reasoning but also violating basic principles of discussion."

learnreligions  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2  author  Vic Eldred    2 years ago

Liz Cheney down 28 points against Trump-backed challenger, even with help from Democrats

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Is this the way the coming elections are going to go?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @2    2 years ago
Liz Cheney down 28 points

That is what happens when you do something stupid and get kicked out of your party.

 
 
 
Dulay
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2.1.1  Dulay  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1    2 years ago

Cheney is a standing member for the Republican Party Conference in the House. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1    2 years ago

What was she thinking?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @2.1.1    2 years ago

She wasn't selected by her party to sit on the Jan 6th Committee.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1.4  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Dulay @2.1.1    2 years ago

Oh lookey here!!!! Somebody hasn't been paying attention.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1.5  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.2    2 years ago

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Vic Eldred
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2.1.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.5    2 years ago

Removed for context


 
 
 
Dulay
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2.1.7  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.3    2 years ago

Strawman. 

Again, Liz Cheney is a standing member of the Republican Conference in the House. She was NOT 'kicked out the party'. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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2.1.8  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Dulay @2.1.7    2 years ago

She was in her home state FFS

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.9  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @2.1.7    2 years ago
She was NOT 'kicked out the party'. 

Who said she was?

 
 
 
Dulay
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2.1.11  Dulay  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.4    2 years ago
Oh lookey here!!!! Somebody hasn't been paying attention.

Oh, lookey here, someone doesn't comprehend that the Republican Party is a NATIONAL organization. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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2.1.12  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.2    2 years ago

Perhaps that she swore an oath to the Constitution, not to Trump. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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2.1.14  Dulay  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.1.8    2 years ago

Another that doesn't comprehend that the Republican Party is a national organization. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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2.1.15  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.9    2 years ago

You voted up the comment and replied to it Vic. Just stop. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.16  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @2.1.12    2 years ago

You didn't answer my question.

"Typically when a person avoids answering a question, that   question was posed by another person in a debate or discussion . In such cases, the person is not only evincing flawed reasoning but also violating basic principles of discussion."

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Just Jim NC TttH
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2.1.17  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Dulay @2.1.14    2 years ago

Point remains. She got kicked out of the Republican Party. There was no national implied. Everyone knows, or should, that the Wyoming GOP booted her

 
 
 
Dulay
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2.1.18  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.16    2 years ago
You didn't answer my question.

Actually, I did. Your inability to comprehend it is on you. 

BTFW Vic, I bookmarked your quote and will be posting it just as often as you avoid answering my questions. You'll be seeing it a lot...

Oh, and WTF does Freud have to do with your quote? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.19  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @2.1.18    2 years ago
Actually, I did. Your inability to comprehend it is on you. 

Actually, there isn't anything you can tell me that I don't know.


BTFW Vic, I bookmarked your quote and will be posting it just as often as you avoid answering my questions. You'll be seeing it a lot...

Very good. Now you know why I take the time to teach. Keep that with you and whenever somebody refuses to answer you, use it. 

I am so proud of my students.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1.20  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Dulay @2.1.11    2 years ago

and yet it happened.  

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Guide
2.1.21  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.19    2 years ago
Actually, there isn't anything you can tell me that I don't know.

Since I do so almost every day, your comment is delusional. 

Very good. Now you know why I take the time to teach. Keep that with you and whenever somebody refuses to answer you, use it. 

I will, especially with you. 

What I did find interesting is that you chose to quote a secular humanist. Not your usual source. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1.22  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Dulay @2.1.18    2 years ago
I bookmarked your quote and will be posting it just as often as you avoid answering my questions.

What's wrong, you can't formulate your own statements?  How very Biden like of you to plagiarize somebody else.

 
 
 
Ender
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2.1.23  Ender  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.22    2 years ago

What's wrong, have to make things up and have zero point?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1.24  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Ender @2.1.23    2 years ago

You are mistaking me as being one of you.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
2.1.25  Ender  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.24    2 years ago

Hahaha   I would never accuse nor want you to be.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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2.1.26  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.2    2 years ago
What was she thinking?

Yes, she was thinking, using her brain and conscience which couldn't justify defending the Republican lies and attempted insurrection. She is one of the few in the Republican party with any backbone left, just about all the others have folded and spend their days licking Trumps feet hoping to get a scrap of his loyal followers from Trumps table to support their political ambitions.

I don't agree with most of Liz's conservative policies, she's most definitely a Republican. But it's nice to know not all of them are groveling obsequious worms who would sell their own grandmothers to an eastern Europe brothel before they dared offend their chosen Liar-in-Chief, Velveeta Voldemort.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.1.27  Tessylo  replied to  Dulay @2.1.21    2 years ago
Actually, there isn't anything you can tell me that I don't know.

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Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1.28  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Ender @2.1.25    2 years ago

It would be an insult to think I'm one of you. 

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Guide
2.1.29  Dulay  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.20    2 years ago

Only in your mind Jeremy. Every other thinking person knows that Liz Cheney is STILL a member of the Republican party. 

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Guide
2.1.30  Dulay  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.22    2 years ago
What's wrong, you can't formulate your own statements? 

Um, the quote I am referring to is from the link Vic posted written by Austin Cline, a secular humanist. 

So, if your standard is posting member formulated statements, your issue is with Vic. 

Please proceed. 

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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2.2  Jasper2529  replied to  Vic Eldred @2    2 years ago

And even with daddy's help in an ad ...

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Vic Eldred
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2.2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.2    2 years ago

OMG did he age. They say alcohol will do that.

It seems like only yesterday he rushed into George W's office to announce "We have boots on the ground!"

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
2.2.2  Jasper2529  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2.1    2 years ago
OMG did he age.

He sure has, and he looks very menacing in his ad. What I find funny every time I see it is that he doesn't point out anything good about his daughter's record. The whole ad is based upon the premise of we hate Trump.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.2.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.2.2    2 years ago
The whole ad is based upon the premise of we hate Trump.

Evidently they have drawn the line with Donald Trump.

Do you know what's wrong with establishment Republicans? 

They have lost touch with working class America.

 
 
 
Sunshine
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2.2.4  Sunshine  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.2    2 years ago

Democrats love the man now.  The hypocrisy of the Democrats is astounding.  Why would anyone trust them?

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
2.2.5  Jasper2529  replied to  Sunshine @2.2.4    2 years ago
Democrats love the man now. 

I remember when Democrats called him a war criminal.

The hypocrisy of the Democrats is astounding. 

Yep.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
PhD Quiet
2.2.6  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.2.5    2 years ago

He IS a WAR CRIMINAL, and his daughter is a Patriotic citizen for her efforts to expose Trump. Dick. will ALWAYS be a Dick

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.2.7  Tessylo  replied to  Sunshine @2.2.4    2 years ago

Maybe you love him.  I never loved the heartless dick.

No Democrats I know love heartless dicks like the majority of the republicans.  

 
 
 
Sunshine
Professor Quiet
2.2.8  Sunshine  replied to  igknorantzrulz @2.2.6    2 years ago
He IS a WAR CRIMINAL, and his daughter is a Patriotic citizen 

Getting an endorsement from a war criminal is very Patriotic....jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Sunshine
Professor Quiet
2.2.9  Sunshine  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.7    2 years ago
No Democrats I know

How many do you know?  

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
PhD Quiet
2.2.10  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Sunshine @2.2.8    2 years ago

its like Dick vs the "pussy grabber" back stabber little hands down his pants taking tabberz of slippery Acid, asz he keeps droppin it, cause it's slippery, and he's got , little hands 

 
 
 
Sunshine
Professor Quiet
2.2.11  Sunshine  replied to  igknorantzrulz @2.2.10    2 years ago

You have quite an imagination.  A perverted one but you do you.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
PhD Quiet
2.2.12  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Sunshine @2.2.11    2 years ago

What's your sign, Sunshine ?

 
 
 
Gazoo
Junior Silent
2.2.13  Gazoo  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2.3    2 years ago

“Do you know what's wrong with establishment Republicans? 

They have lost touch with working class America.”

that happened a long time ago, Vic, imo. Dems have left the working class too. The only one standing up for the working class is trump and the pols who follow his policies.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3  Tessylo    2 years ago

"Today Joe Biden's Attorney General came out of hiding and announced that he signed off on the raid that stunned the nation the other night. The DOJ also filed a motion to have the warrant unsealed. Both the DOJ and FBI have lost the trust of many Americans. The outstanding question is what happened between June when there was cooperation over documents and just recently when the Trump home was raided."

Not really stunned, just really, really satisfied and happy that the wheels of justice are in motion to finally hopefully put this lifelong criminal behind bars and all those behind 1/6/21.  We finally see that he is not above the law as it seems the majority of his supporters feel he is.  

If they just go with the classified and probably top secret documents - he'll probably just get a slap on the wrist.  They can't stop there.  This is just the tip of the iceberg.  

#45 cooperating?  How did he cooperate by giving them 15 boxes and hiding 12?  And ignoring multiple subpoenas??  How is that cooperating?

The DOJ and FBI have lost the trust of trumpurd's supporters, no one else.  

Also, it wasn't a raid.  It was legally authorized search.  For the party of Law and Order jrSmiley_80_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
3.1  Jasper2529  replied to  Tessylo @3    2 years ago
Also, it wasn't a raid. 

That's the MSM talking point.

It was legally authorized search. 

No one knows how legal the warrant and search were until the affidavit is published. "Probable cause" is still part of the US Constitution.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Jasper2529 @3.1    2 years ago

Of course it was legal.  How moronic.  There was ample probable cause.  

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
3.1.2  Jasper2529  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.1    2 years ago
There was ample probable cause.  

Please provide a source proving that there "was ample probable cause", because thus far, the public has seen neither the warrant nor the affidavit.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.1.3  Tessylo  replied to  Jasper2529 @3.1.2    2 years ago

No need.  The truth is obvious.

[Deleted]

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @3    2 years ago
  They can't stop there. 

Maybe they should murder him like they murdered Ashli Babbitt?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.2.1  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2    2 years ago

That traitor bitch got exactly what she deserved.

She was not murdered.  

Life long sociopath/psychopath Thugs like him - I'm surprised that hasn't happened, yet.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.2.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @3.2.1    2 years ago
That traitor bitch got exactly what she deserved.

So in your mind it was a good thing?


Life long sociopath/psychopath Thugs like him - I'm surprised that hasn't happened, yet.

It almost happened to some FBI agents yesterday.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.2.3  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.2    2 years ago

Because of threats to them by supporters of #45

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.2.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @3.2.3    2 years ago

Actually no.

Many people are angry that the FBI has become the KGB

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
3.2.5  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2    2 years ago
Maybe they should murder him like they murdered Ashli Babbitt?

she wasn't murdered, but I'm good with that, as long as there's a camera rolling.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.2.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  devangelical @3.2.5    2 years ago

We get it.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
3.2.7  Jasper2529  replied to  Tessylo @3.2.1    2 years ago
She was not murdered. 

No? Then who shot and killed unarmed Ashli Babbitt at point blank range? Oh, that's right ... the US Capitol Police. She was the only one who was killed that day.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
3.2.8  devangelical  replied to  Jasper2529 @3.2.7    2 years ago

every insurrectionist that attempted to enter the capitol J6 should have been dropped by LE.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.2.10  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.4    2 years ago

Actually, YA, because of threats to them made by supporters of #45

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.2.11  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @3.2.10    2 years ago

I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings, but many hate & fear the FBI.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.2.12  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @3.2.8    2 years ago

Absolutely hilarious how some here are talking about the rule of law when their hero #45 and his mobs of domestic terrorist insurrectionists appear to be above it.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.2.13  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.11    2 years ago

"I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings, but many hate & fear the FBI."

#45 and his mobs of domestic terrorist insurrectionists and supporters, you mean?

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
3.2.15  Jasper2529  replied to  devangelical @3.2.8    2 years ago
every insurrectionist that attempted to enter the capitol J6 should have been dropped by LE.

Do you feel the same about the insurrectionists who barricaded police inside their precinct building and then set fire to it during 2020's "Summer of Love" or is your dismissal of the rule of law only reserved for Trump supporters?

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
3.2.16  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.11    2 years ago
many hate & fear the FBI

yeah, criminals, the gullible, and morons...

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.2.17  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @3.2.8    2 years ago

Yes, they most definitely deserved the same fate.

After she was shot I'm sure the rest of the scum shit their pants and fled like the vermin they are

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
3.2.18  bugsy  replied to  Tessylo @3.2.17    2 years ago
es, they most definitely deserved the same fate.

Meh, most Americans feel the same way about BLM protestors that burned, looted and robbed thousands of business, killed dozens of people and injured thousands of law enforcement during the 2020 summer riots.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.2.19  Tessylo  replied to  Tessylo @3.2.17    2 years ago

Scum is scum

Don't get me started on cockroaches jrSmiley_82_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
3.2.21  bugsy  replied to  Tessylo @3.2.19    2 years ago
Scum is scum

Glad you agree most BLM is scum.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
3.3  Jasper2529  replied to  Tessylo @3    2 years ago
If they just go with the classified and probably top secret documents - he'll probably just get a slap on the wrist.

Wrist slaps are reserved for Berger, Obama, and Hillary.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.3.1  Tessylo  replied to  Jasper2529 @3.3    2 years ago

All you got?  Deflections.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
4  Jeremy Retired in NC    2 years ago
"A federal judge Thursday gave the Justice Department until 3 p.m. Friday to certify whether former President Donald Trump supports or opposes unsealing the warrant and property receipt from the FBI's search of his Mar-a-Lago home Monday. "The United States shall immediately serve a copy of its Motion on counsel for former President Trump," Magestrate Judge Bruce Reinhard wrote in an order on the DOJ's motion to unseal the warrant and property receipt. "On or before 3:00 p.m. Eastern time on August 12, 2022, the United States shall file a certificate of conferral advising whether former President Trump opposes the Government's motion to unseal."

3 PM will come and pass with nothing.  My guess would be is because they have no real justification in the raid making anything seized would be illegally seized.  In essence making this just a continuation of the "Witch Hunt" that started in 2016.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Guide
4.1  Dulay  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4    2 years ago

Trump could have released the documents himself on MONDAY. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Dulay @4.1    2 years ago

He'll just continue to grift his moron supporters for as long as he possibly can.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @4.1    2 years ago

Why not Garland?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.1    2 years ago

What of idiotic Biden's supporters?

Can I label them?  

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
4.1.4  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.3    2 years ago
Can I label them?

May I recommend "Brainwashed" or "Bidenite Boneheads"?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
4.1.5  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Dulay @4.1    2 years ago

That's assuming (which you all seem to do a lot of and are regularly wrong) he has them.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.1.4    2 years ago

I'm going to add it to the list. One day we'll have a vote.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Guide
4.1.7  Dulay  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.1.5    2 years ago

No, I'm not assuming anything. I KNOW that his attorney was given the documents. He can release them any time he wants. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
4.1.8  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Dulay @4.1.7    2 years ago

The mere idea that you think you are a credible source is laughable.  

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
4.1.9  Ender  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.1.8    2 years ago

And I suppose you think you are?  Hahaha

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
4.1.10  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Ender @4.1.9    2 years ago

If you think I am, I'm good with it.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
4.1.11  Ender  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.1.10    2 years ago

Still just making things up out of thin air I see.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.1.12  Tessylo  replied to  Ender @4.1.11    2 years ago

"Still just making things up out of thin air I see."

Well when that's all they got they tend to go for it.  

Reminds me of an expression I love 'If you're going to go bear - go grizzly'

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.1.13  Tessylo  replied to  Ender @4.1.11    2 years ago

We know the answer to that one.

Dulay is a credible source.

JRIN?

jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Guide
4.1.14  Dulay  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.1.8    2 years ago

Your strawman is laughable Jeremy. 

BTFW, I furnished Vic with the link to the Motion to unseal the warrant which states clearly that Trump's attorney was give copies of the documents that were released just about an hour ago. Why don't you ask him about it in y'all's next meeting?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.1.15  Tessylo  replied to  Dulay @4.1.14    2 years ago

jrSmiley_91_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4    2 years ago

Wouldn't that be the ice cream on the cake?  We have both Garland and Trump calling for the release of the Warrant and the judge suddenly decides not to!

It would be just as openly suspicious as everything else they've done

 
 
 
Dragon
Freshman Silent
5  Dragon    2 years ago

DOJ, FBI, SCOTUS, IRS, Military, Law Enforcement have lost the trust of Americans, supposedly. Congress hasn't had Americans trust for decades. Presidential administrations untrusted. 

Of course, this all depends on what actions/policies have been taken. On any given day in various websites these departments are vilified or praised by the exact same people. This is regardless of political party. 

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
6  Jasper2529    2 years ago
What I really want to see is the application for the warrant. (the affidavit)

Seeing the affidavit is more important than the warrant. Never forget those fake FISA warrants.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.1  Tessylo  replied to  Jasper2529 @6    2 years ago

DEFLECTION

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @6.1    2 years ago
DEFLECTION

Evidently, it's the word of the day.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.1    2 years ago

That's evidently all you and the majority of your readers have.  

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
Professor Silent
6.1.3  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.1    2 years ago

well it is friday , and past noon on the east coast , so there is that ....

 
 
 
Snuffy
Professor Participates
6.2  Snuffy  replied to  Jasper2529 @6    2 years ago
Seeing the affidavit is more important than the warrant.

Yes, both the warrant AND the affidavit need to be released.  The warrant only states the where and the scope (what they are allowed to look for and where they can look for it), the affidavit tells the reasoning behind why the judge approved the warrant.  We need to see both.  The optics of this are so terrible that everything needs to be shown or there will be no trust left.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Snuffy @6.2    2 years ago
The optics of this are so terrible

Do you think progressives realize how bad this looked?

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
6.2.2  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.2.1    2 years ago

I know Merrick Garland would not have approved this if he was not certain it was warranted, justified and necessary...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.2.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @6.2.2    2 years ago

I'm sure you have faith in the likes of Garland. He doesn't need to show us the warrant to explain why a former President's home was raided as would be done to a drug lord.  Unlike you, I have no trust in Garland, Biden, Rice, Obama or Bill Ayers.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
6.2.4  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.2.3    2 years ago

Whose good name is safe from character assassins. Liz and Dick Cheney? George and Laura Bush? Mitt and Ann Romney?

At long last is there nobody you and Trump won't assassinate?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.2.5  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @6.2.4    2 years ago

I assassinated them?  How?

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
6.2.6  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.2.5    2 years ago

Yes, you assassinate their good names, their characters. You slander and libel them and bear false witness against them. Nobody is safe. Not even lifelong loyal rock solid Republicans.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.2.7  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @6.2.6    2 years ago

Are you sure it's me doing that?

Who was it that called Trump a liar when he said he had been wiretapped?

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
6.2.8  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.2.7    2 years ago

That attitude finally exposed Old Joe McCarthy's malignance!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.2.10  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @6.2.8    2 years ago

That looks a lot like the Jan 6th committee!

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
6.2.11  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.9    2 years ago

jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
6.2.12  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.2.10    2 years ago

At long last have you no decency. Is nobody safe? Republicans?

You are reduced to pretending you do not catch my drift, and so original

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.2.13  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @6.2.12    2 years ago

I'm not defending you!

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
6.2.14  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.2.13    2 years ago

No, like a classic Perry Mason moment you indicated yourself!

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.2.15  Tessylo  replied to  JBB @6.2.14    2 years ago

We know, he only supports trumpturd and his mobs of domestic insurrectionist terrorists and supporters.  

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
6.2.16  JBB  replied to  Tessylo @6.2.15    2 years ago

They don't care who gets hurt. They don't care about ruined careers or even putting people in danger to protect Trump.

 
 
 
Hallux
Professor Principal
6.2.17  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.2.3    2 years ago
Garland, Biden, Rice, Obama or Bill Ayers.

One of these is not like the others.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.2.18  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.2.1    2 years ago

Yes we do know how bad [Deleted] and #45 look 

Horrible

Desperate

Deplorable

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jasper2529 @6    2 years ago

Usually we only get to see an affidavit after there has been a conviction.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
7  Jasper2529    2 years ago
... the raid that stunned the nation the other night.

Interesting that the homes of the Pelosis, Clintons, Obamas, and Bidens (and those of their associates) have never been raided.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
7.1  Tessylo  replied to  Jasper2529 @7    2 years ago

DEFLECTION.

Why would their homes have to been raided?

That doesn't make a goddamned bit of sense.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
7.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @7.1    2 years ago
DEFLECTION.

There it is again!


Why would their homes have to been raided?

We only told you about 40 million times yesterday

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
7.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  Tessylo @7.1    2 years ago

Never received a reason why their homes would have to have been raided, a valid reason, a legal and justified reason, unlike trumpturd.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
7.1.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @7.1.2    2 years ago
Never received a reason

Yes you did. It happened to be the same reason that this thing is supposedly about.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
7.1.4  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.1.3    2 years ago

Nope, never did.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
7.1.5  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @7.1.4    2 years ago

It wasn't for lack of trying

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
7.1.6  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.1.5    2 years ago

You failed.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
7.1.7  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @7.1.6    2 years ago

I won't give up. Teaching is a calling with me.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
8  author  Vic Eldred    2 years ago

(Bloomberg) -- Former President Donald Trump said he supported the release of documents related to the FBI’s search of his Mar-a-Lago home earlier this week, including a copy of the search warrant and a receipt of items that agents took from the property."



It looks like Garland has been called and raised!

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
8.1  Jasper2529  replied to  Vic Eldred @8    2 years ago
It looks like Garland has been called and raised!

One would think that after so many years, an allegedly smart man like Garland would know better than to think he could win a poker game against Trump with a pair of deuces.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
8.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jasper2529 @8.1    2 years ago

Garland may have made a terrible mistake. One that will that will go down in infamy.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
8.1.2  Jasper2529  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.1    2 years ago
Garland may have made a terrible mistake. One that will that will go down in infamy.

The Biden/Obama Administration is partying like it's 1999. Now that the pandemic is over and they can't scare Americans with their made-up crap about that, they keep inventing new bogeymen.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
8.1.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jasper2529 @8.1.2    2 years ago

What's the adage about "Whistling past the graveyard?"

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
8.1.4  Jasper2529  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.3    2 years ago

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
8.1.5  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jasper2529 @8.1.4    2 years ago

And they are really acting.

How long will they wait to sit Biden and Harris down and tell them both that for the good of the party neither can run again?

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
8.1.6  Jasper2529  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.5    2 years ago

It's probably already happened, because both have been such dismal failures. Looks like Beto might be the 2024 shining star. I just hope they can restrain him from jumping onto diner counters! 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
8.1.7  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jasper2529 @8.1.6    2 years ago

My hunch is that beto loses by an even bigger margin this time.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
8.1.8  Jasper2529  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.7    2 years ago

Which puts us back to recycling Klobuchar, Warren, Bernie, and Hillary. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
8.1.9  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jasper2529 @8.1.8    2 years ago

I guess they don't want Pete "Beaver Cleaver" Buttigieg either.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
8.1.10  Jasper2529  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.9    2 years ago
I guess they don't want Pete "Beaver Cleaver" Buttigieg either.

Apparently not, even though he fits their DEI criteria.  

(Personally, I'm reminded of Howdy Doody without freckles whenever I see him!)

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
8.1.11  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jasper2529 @8.1.10    2 years ago

He can talk us silly. The man goes on for hours and in the end nobody can recall what he was talking about.

I should tape his speeches for when I want to go to sleep.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
9  author  Vic Eldred    2 years ago

"The weak presentation by Attorney General Garland on Thursday and the stonewall testimony by FBI director Christopher Wray last week should disturb every American."   ...Bill O'Rielly


 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
9.1  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @9    2 years ago

What do Robert Mueller, Andrew McCabe, Rod Rosenstein, Christopher Wray and Merrick Garland all have in common?

They are all lifelong rock solid Republicans. Every one of them!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
9.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @9.1    2 years ago
They are all lifelong rock solid Republicans. Every one of them!

That's not the only thing they have in common is it?  They also lack integrity.  Do you know what integrity looks like?

In the final days of the Trump administration there was pressure on AG Bill Barr to appoint a Special Counsel in the Hunter Biden case. He refused because he thought it was inappropriate for one administration to investigate what amounted to it's political opponent's son.  Can you understand how bad the democratic party looks right now?

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
9.1.2  Jasper2529  replied to  JBB @9.1    2 years ago
They are all lifelong rock solid Republicans. Every one of them!

Oh, please. Don't make me laugh. So are the Cheneys and Bushes, and look who they voted for in 2016 and 2020.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
9.1.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jasper2529 @9.1.2    2 years ago

And Manchin and Sinema were rock solid democrats.

How soon they forget?

 
 
 
Hallux
Professor Principal
9.2  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @9    2 years ago

The only nice thing about Bill is that he liked Herbie Hancock. But hey, thanx for the link, the overpriced Xmas ornaments are 'priceless'.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
10  Tessylo    2 years ago

Simpletons are so easily amused.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
10.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @10    2 years ago

Who are they?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
11  author  Vic Eldred    2 years ago

Breaking:

"Author Salman Rushdie was attacked on stage at an event in western New York on Friday morning.

Rushdie was scheduled to speak at the Chautauqua Institution.

According to an Associated Press  reporter, Rushdie was attacked by a man who hopped on stage while he was being introduced.

The man began “stabbing or punching” Rushdie, who fell to the floor. The man was then restrained and later taken into custody by police."

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Now to find out how the terrorist got into the country!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
11.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Vic Eldred @11    2 years ago

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devangelical
Professor Principal
11.1.1  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @11.1    2 years ago

wtf, did the society of bluehairs and morons have a convention recently?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
11.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  devangelical @11.1.1    2 years ago

Did you want to see him killed too?

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
11.1.3  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @11.1.2    2 years ago

is he a trumpster?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
11.1.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  devangelical @11.1.3    2 years ago

You never heard of Salman Rushdie?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
11.1.7  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Texan1211 @11.1.5    2 years ago

There may be a news blackout in Denver.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
11.2  Jasper2529  replied to  Vic Eldred @11    2 years ago
Now to find out how the terrorist got into the country!

Well, the Biden Administration has repeatedly assured us that the southern border is closed and "secure", so it can't be from there. /sarc

Hmmmm ... the same administration has been cozying up to Iran lately, so it could be this, too:

Rushdie’s book “The Satanic Verses” has been banned in Iran since 1988, as many Muslims consider it to be blasphemous. A year later, Iran’s late leader Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini issued a fatwa, or edict, calling for Rushdie’s death. Iran has also offered over $3 million in reward for anyone who kills Rushdie.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
11.2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jasper2529 @11.2    2 years ago
Well, the Biden Administration has repeatedly assured us that the southern border is closed and "secure", so it can't be from there. /sarc

That was my first thought!


so it could be this, too:

Yup, they've been after him for a long time. They couldn't get near him before Biden.

 
 
 
Hallux
Professor Principal
11.2.2  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @11.2.1    2 years ago
They couldn't get near him before Biden.

Channeling Reed Richards ... impressive.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
11.2.3  Ender  replied to  Jasper2529 @11.2    2 years ago

Wow, so you are actually going to blame an Iranian that wants to assassinate someone on Biden...

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
11.2.4  Jasper2529  replied to  Ender @11.2.3    2 years ago
Wow, so you are actually going to blame an Iranian that wants to assassinate someone on Biden...

Perhaps you should point out exactly where in my comment 11.2   that I "actually" blamed Biden. FYI ... the auxilliary verb, "could", in the way I used it, indicates conditional function and is in no way an accusation. 

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
11.2.5  Ender  replied to  Jasper2529 @11.2.4    2 years ago

No? You only insinuated it was his fault because of an open border and 'cozying up' to Iran.

Now trying, once again, to say, I didn't say that....just because I didn't use those exact words....

Plausible deniability?

 
 
 
Hallux
Professor Principal
11.2.6  Hallux  replied to  Ender @11.2.5    2 years ago

Chalk it up to residual memories of reading Ann Coulter.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
11.2.7  Jasper2529  replied to  Ender @11.2.5    2 years ago

That's funny! I see that you couldn't point out that of which you accused me. No prob.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
11.2.8  Ender  replied to  Hallux @11.2.6    2 years ago

They deny that too, while parroting exact words...

 
 
 
GregTx
Professor Guide
11.3  GregTx  replied to  Vic Eldred @11    2 years ago

Has been a couple of similar news items lately,

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
11.3.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  GregTx @11.3    2 years ago

Thank you Sir

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
11.4  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Vic Eldred @11    2 years ago
You never heard of Salman Rushdie?

And what does any of that have to do with this seed?

 
 
 
Hallux
Professor Principal
11.4.1  Hallux  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @11.4    2 years ago

Let it go, it was a 'gotcha' moment.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
11.5  Sean Treacy  replied to  Vic Eldred @11    2 years ago

A Friend of Jimmy Carter?

 
 
 
Hallux
Professor Principal
11.5.1  Hallux  replied to  Sean Treacy @11.5    2 years ago

Seeing that Rushdie was invited to the Carter Center in 2015, I guess they buried that shovel, but hey thanks for digging it out from under the grave.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
12  Tessylo    2 years ago

The One Sentence Republicans Need to Stop Using

The Daily Beast
Fri, August 12, 2022 at 4:52 AMAs former President Donald Trump endured one of his worst weeks yet , Republicans have been on our  TV screens taking aim at everyone else —but themselves. On this episode of  The New Abnormal , hosts Molly Jong-Fast and Andy Levy talk Trump and the sentence Republicans need to stop repeating.

“Their big talking point that they all independently apparently came up with is… if they can do this to the president, think what they can do to you. First of all, he’s not the president,” Andy says.

“And it would be nice if they would stop saying, ‘If they can do this to the president.’ They didn’t do this to the president. They did this to a private citizen who happened to have been the president. So they’re not doing this to the president. The president is Joe Biden, right? The FBI   did not execute a search warrant on the White House . Let’s get rid of that right away. And anyone who says that is completely foolish.”

Molly agrees: “The fact that nothing has ever happened to him at all ever is a sign that actually this kind of thing almost never happens to wealthy white men. It’s certainly a sign that if you do a lot of very suspicious stuff, like leave with 15 boxes of classified information and you flout the law enough, sooner or later, someone might tell you, ‘You can’t do that anymore.’”

Then, Tim O’Brien, senior executive editor of opinion at Bloomberg, joins the show and reveals what he finds most compelling in the “ridiculous sideshow” that’s emerged in the wake of the search, “which is that   he’s being unfairly targeted and that this is political .”

“Of course no president and no U.S. citizen is above the law. And this is a common legal practice and a prosecutorial practice, and the Justice Department and the FBI are enforcing the law,” he says.

“The idea that somehow Trump shouldn’t be subjected to the same laws as everyone else is ridiculous.”

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
13  author  Vic Eldred    2 years ago

I'll be back later.

Class dismissed.

 
 
 
Hallux
Professor Principal
13.1  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @13    2 years ago
Class dismissed.

How crass of you!

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
13.1.1  JBB  replied to  Hallux @13.1    2 years ago

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Tessylo
Professor Principal
13.2  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @13    2 years ago

Like you taught us anything.

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Ender
Professor Principal
14  Ender    2 years ago

Are republicans insane? Have spent several days saying the justice department needs to be open and show what was going on.

Then when the department says ok and says the will provide the info turn around and call it a political stunt.

I have never in my life seen such blind, complete devotion to a single person that is a complete piece of shit.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
14.1  Tessylo  replied to  Ender @14    2 years ago

It's mind boggling and dumbfounding and beyond reason.  It doesn't make a goddamned bit of sense.  

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
14.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Ender @14    2 years ago
Are republicans insane?

Yes, I believe many are.

Insane: adjective - in a state of mind which prevents normal perception, behavior, or social interaction; seriously mentally ill

Living in their Reich wing conservative alternate universe has detached them from reality which makes 'normal perception, behavior or social interaction' all but impossible for them.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
15  Jasper2529    2 years ago

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Tessylo
Professor Principal
15.2  Tessylo  replied to  Jasper2529 @15    2 years ago

Are deflections all you have?

None of them are under Federal investigation nor did they incite mobs of domestic terrorists in a failed domestic coup.

None of them stored Top Secret Classified documents in their basement without a lock.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
15.2.1  Jasper2529  replied to  Tessylo @15.2    2 years ago

How quickly we've forgotten about Hillary's unauthorized, unsecured private servers in her Chappaqua house. How quickly we've forgotten about her 33,000 classified (and higher) emails on those servers that she tried to Bleach-Bit. My, my, my. 

By the way ... when FBI agents went to MAL in June 2022, they asked Trump to put another lock on the door, and he complied. Don't believe me? Look it up.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
15.2.3  Jasper2529  replied to  Texan1211 @15.2.2    2 years ago

Hope springs eternal.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
15.2.5  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Tessylo @15.2    2 years ago

There's really no need to respond to such a horse shit meme, right wing conspiracy theorists have already had their minds poisoned by the toxic right wing conservative alternate universe where they imagine all Democrats guilty of something regardless of their complete lack of evidence of any crime. Trying to explain it to them would just be a waste of time.

“Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” - Mark Twain

"Arguing with a toxic person is like trying to argue with an actor in a play. It doesn’t matter what you say, they will stick to their lines, because it is the only role they know". – Anthony Gucciardi

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
15.2.7  Jasper2529  replied to  Texan1211 @15.2.4    2 years ago

As someone who's taught a number of subjects in both the public and private sectors (children and adults) I can assure you that even the most reluctant are capable of learning.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
15.2.8  Ender  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @15.2.5    2 years ago

Of course all their investigations in to Clinton that yielded nothing are just viewed as a corrupt system...

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
15.2.9  Tessylo  replied to  Jasper2529 @15.2.1    2 years ago

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Tessylo
Professor Principal
15.2.10  Tessylo  replied to  Jasper2529 @15.2.1    2 years ago
"By the way ... when FBI agents went to MAL in June 2022, they asked Trump to put another lock on the door, and he complied. Don't believe me? Look it up."

Wow, the turd had two locks placed on the door in the basement storage room of Mar-A-Lardo - sounds like a high level top notch foolproof security measure to me for Top Secret and Classified documents

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Hallux
Professor Principal
15.2.12  Hallux  replied to  Jasper2529 @15.2.3    2 years ago
Hope springs eternal.

Hope was the last thing to leave Pandora's Box and she looks nothing like Hicks.

 
 
 
Sunshine
Professor Quiet
15.2.13  Sunshine  replied to  Tessylo @15.2.10    2 years ago
Wow, the turd had two locks placed on the door in the basement storage room of Mar-A-Lardo - sounds like a high level top notch foolproof security measure to me for Top Secret and Classified documents

He did what the FBI asked.  You should direct your complaints to the FBI.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
15.2.14  Tessylo  replied to  Jasper2529 @15.2.7    2 years ago

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bugsy
Professor Participates
15.2.16  bugsy  replied to  Tessylo @15.2.14    2 years ago

A perfect example of why most liberal IQs remain in low numbers.

They refuse to want to learn everything and demand things are spoon fed to them.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
15.2.17  Tessylo  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @15.2.5    2 years ago

I always forget that I'm dealing with the 'new abnormal' world of the cult of 45

 
 
 
Sunshine
Professor Quiet
15.3  Sunshine  replied to  Jasper2529 @15    2 years ago

Crime pays very well for Democrats.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
15.3.1  Jasper2529  replied to  Sunshine @15.3    2 years ago

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Hallux
Professor Principal
15.3.2  Hallux  replied to  Jasper2529 @15.3.1    2 years ago

Who is the circled fellow?

 
 

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