The Coming Storm
Link to Quote: https://news.yahoo.com/biden-tells-reporter-count-kid-175059096.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall
There is a storm brewing and it is likely going to sweep the democrats out of Congress. They had their little bump after the Dobbs decision as the media overhyped that story as well as the Jan 6th Committee hearings which ended with a wimper. The polling since 2016 has been undercuting Republicans and even with that, we are seeing tight races that not long ago had democratic candidates with healthy leads.
"Biden's White House has faced questions throughout the week regarding his slim calendar, with multiple reports saying Democrats in tight races view a visit from him as a liability. A reporter asked Biden about his campaign plans as he was walking to Marine One on Thursday.
"John Fetterman is going to appear with you today in Pennsylvania, but there haven't been that many candidates campaigning with you. Why?" a reporter asked.
"That's not true. There have been 15! Count, kid, count! Alright?," the president responded.
"Okay, and are there going to be even more?" the reporter pressed.
"Yeah!" Biden said."
https://news.yahoo.com/biden-tells-reporter-count-kid-175059096.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall
Of course, we all know that the vast majority of democrat candidates don't want to be seen with Biden. Up to now democrats have been oblivious to their fate. They managed to get rid of Trump and had a vessel they used to enact all the radical left's wildest dreams. That 18 month social experiment did tremendous damage to the nation. Many people were hurt, especially the lower middle class and the inner city working poor. Biden's legacy will be twofold: He will always be remembered as the man who brought the radical left to power, the consequences of which will be felt for years to come. The other part of his legacy begins in November. He will be responsible for bringing the reactionary right to power. For the next two years Mitch McConnell will force Biden to be what he once promised he would be: a moderate. In 2024 we can expect a 46 year old reactionary with administrative experience to take the reigns of power.
The Week:
(CFPB) funding scheme is unconstitutional: An appellate ruling on Wednesday that the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau’s (CFPB) funding scheme is unconstitutional. The ruling was a long time in coming. In 2010, Barack Obama appointed Liz Warren (before she was a Senator) to be the architect of the CFPB. Warren designed the CFPB to be insulated from Congress and the President and nobody said a word. All this time the CFPB director only needs to request funding from the Fed, which must transfer the money as long as it doesn’t exceed 12% of the central bank’s operating expenses.
Record voter turnout in Georgia: "Nearly half a million Georgians have cast their ballots in the midterm elections through three days of early voting, according to Georgia’s secretary of state , blowing past the previous record three-day totals in 2018 and keeping pace with a historic 2020 turnout in the presidential election."
https://news.yahoo.com/georgia-voters-are-breaking-early-voting-records-214433921.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall
Savage beating on a DC bus: "Shocking video captures a group of teens viciously assaulting a woman and throwing her off a Washington, DC, bus – because she asked them to stop using “foul language.” Kyla Thurston, a passenger on the DC Metrobus, told the rowdy teens to stop cursing Monday after a woman and a young child boarded, Fox 5 DC reported . “At that point, the kids became unruly. They started being disrespectful, like saying things to me,” Thurston, 42, told the news outlet. “Then next thing you know, there were objects being thrown at me, and I was just like, ‘Thank You, Lord,’ because throughout the whole incident the only thing I could recall was the kids hitting me and kicking me — and I had no defense,” she added. “The only thing I said was, ‘Can y’all stop the abusive language?'” Thurston later told WJLA .
https://nypost.com/2022/10/20/woman-viciously-attacked-by-teens-on-washington-dc-bus/
Renewed threat of Railroad strike: "Logistics managers are dusting off their plans for a possible railroad strike in November that could wreak havoc on the supply chain and cost the U.S. economy up to $2 billion a day. The National Carriers’ Conference Committee (NCCC), representing the nation’s freight railroads in the national collective bargaining, notified the Brotherhood of Maintenance of Way Employees Division of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters (BMWED) on Wednesday that the union’s latest proposal will not be accepted. A deal between the rails and several large unions to avert a strike, with recommendations from the Biden administration, was moving closer to completion before being voted down by the BMWED last week."
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/10/20/threat-of-rail-strike-has-supply-chain-ramping-up-contingency-plans.html
CDC group endorses adding covid shots to recommended vaccine schedule: "An advisory committee to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention voted Thursday in favor of adding the Covid vaccine to the recommended immunization schedule for children and adults. Children 6 months and older, as well as adults, should get the Covid vaccine, plus boosters, when they are eligible for it, the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices said in an unanimous vote."
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/10/20/cdc-group-endorses-adding-covid-shots-to-recommended-vaccine-schedule.html
The Pentagon will begin paying for troops and their family members to travel for abortions: "The Pentagon will begin paying for troops and their family members to travel for abortions, Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin announced in a memo outlining several policy changes and directives designed to ensure the military community retains access to reproductive healthcare following the Supreme Court’s repeal of Roe v. Wade."
https://www.defenseone.com/policy/2022/10/us-military-will-pay-troops-travel-abortions/378700/
What have we learned?
The media is getting desperate as the election nears. We know they have already smeared most of the country. The latest smear is of those who intend to vote on the real bread & butter issues like inflation and gas prices, crime and the coming winter blackouts. Matthew Dowd (MSNBC "analyst") was a prime example:
" Dowd, a failed Democrat candidate , told Wallace that the GOP focus on economic issues and inflation is reminiscent of a "candidate" and "a party" that campaigned on the same issues in Germany in the 1930s. Nazi leader Adolph Hitler ran for president in 1932 before he was appointed chancellor of Germany the following year after a series of electoral victories by the Nazi Party."
https://www.foxnews.com/media/msnbcs-matthew-dowd-likens-gop-nazi-germany-focusing-economic-issues-inflation-midterms
Of course, the proper comparison would have been voters concerned about inflation turning to the Great Ronald Reagan in 1980. Some may recall how close that election was up until the final weeks when Reagan pulled away with it.
This is how desperate the democrats have become. Everyday that goes by indicates a great red wave is coming. Usually by this time, with only three weeks to go, the democrats would have pulled some obvious political stunt, like they did with Herschel Walker, as a kind of "October surprise." It now looks like the only October surprise might be found in Joe Biden's pants.
On another note, AOC finally got her comeuppance, as a NYC town hall group confronted her:
Her "constituents may have finally realized the folly of voting for whatever democrat the DNC primary serves up.
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"Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis drew a line in the sand Thursday, telling reporters he is against mandatory COVID-19 vaccine shots for children.
On Wednesday, a panel at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) voted to add the vaccine to the recommended Vaccines for Children (VFC) Program. It would not make the shots mandatory.
"As long as I’m kicking and screaming, there will be no COVID shot mandates for your kids," DeSantis said during a speech to announce an executive order to provide property tax relief for residents impacted by Hurricane Ian . "That is your decision to make as a parent."
They haven't gotten rid of Trump. They can't. If they get rid of Trump then they will be forced to do something about the damage they caused. Bottom line is they need Trump more than they realize.
McCarthy now says the GOP-led House won't use impeachment for 'political purposes' like Democrats did with Trump
If impeachment is sought, you're right, it won't be for political reasons. God knows Biden, Harris and Pelosi have all given enough valid reasons for impeachment. But that won't stop the Democrats from trying to make that claim (as unfounded as it would be).
The refusal to protect the nation's southern border should be impeachment Article # 1.
Then there's the whole 25th Amendment piece. How many times do we have to see him stumble around the stage or look for people who aren't there before something is done.
He clearly fits that. He still refuses to take a cognitive test.
It's not like there isn't enough video proof of his diminished mental state.
I think they need to do it!
I dont watch every bit of footage showing Biden on stage like you do. I do know though that the major examples you have attempted to show of this, such as him "shaking hands with thin air" after a speech were lies. Not necessarily your lies, but you happily repeated them.
They are facts that cannot be explained away.
BTW, yesterday he Thought Fetterman's wife was the candidate:
CNSNews.com) - "Speaking in Pittsburgh on Thursday, President Joe Biden told the wife of Pennsylvania's Lt. Gov. John Fetterman, "You're going to be a great -- a great lady in the Senate."
This is what Biden said
You want us to believe that literally two seconds after he thanks John Fetterman for being the candidate he gets confused and calls Fetterman's wife the candidate. Two seconds. And then he goes on to make a 16 minute speech. I'd post the speech here, but I'm sure you wouldnt like that on your seed.
This is all nonsense Vic, Biden obviously meant that Fetterman's wife would be a great lady "in the senate" in the sense that senators spouses are there and associate with other senatorial families and events.
Right wing media is literally destroying this country.
Yes.
Three seconds.
Correct
BTW John if that was his only problem and he governed as a moderate, I wouldn't care.
Laughable.
It's convenient how you find these "random" examples of Biden stumbling. He makes numerous statements and speeches almost every day, with very little to no controversy or mistake.
The desire of the right to deliberately misunderstand instances like the one being discussed here is depressing.
As I said, it is not his cognitive failure I object to. It is his policies.
Then why are you bitching about made up cognitive failure?
Probably because his cognitive failure is what is driving his policies. He is doing what he is told.
I'm not bitching, I'm pointing out that 80 Million voted for a stooge simply to get rid of a good President.
Evidently somewhere along the line in the DNC primaries, Joe told Clyburn, Sanders and Obama: "Ok, I'll do whatever you want."
The political right is protecting a career criminal, serial liar, bigot, and moron who tried to overthrow his own government, seemingly because he "owns the libs" and attacks so called "wokeism".
The depths of pathetic pitifulness displayed by these right wing beliefs in him can not be expressed in words. Off the charts into unknown territory.
Not I
seemingly because he "owns the libs" and attacks so called "wokeism".
No, you are describing DeSantis. Trump was famous for prosperity, fair trade deals, energy independence, a secure border, law & order and the development of a covid vaccine in record time. He delivered as President.
No. There's no cognitive problems there. /s
See, there is a difference in what Vic said and what you said. Vic provided a link to what Biden said. You, provided nothing but flapping lips. Nothing to back up your claim. On top of it you resort to personal attacks when you are called out. And yet, somehow you expect to be taken seriously.
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Unreal. They think he was a good 'president'
A bizarro world alternate reality
Biden's handlers should put bright yellow footstep/arrow cues on the floor of every stage so (maybe) he'll remember which way is "exit ... off-stage". They should also make him repeatedly practice this on all of his 3-day vacation weekends.
That would be just a distraction for him. One bright arrow and his speech would go off the rails faster than normal.
What career criminal? If you mean Trump, do cite the crimes he has been found guilty of or even charged with in the criminal court system.
Prove it. Don't use anything from the Jan 6 Kangaroo court committee.
You and several others here on this site prove he does every single day.
Absolutely correct?
He was? Far better than the jackass we have now.
Nonsense. Its always an alleged wide open border when a Democrat is President
Yeah don't use any of the video of what actually happened or sworn testimony of the majority who are Republicans on what actually happened that day
He did none of those things
Dude's a Bidenite. Just as clueless as their "Dear Leader".
That is because the border is wide open when a Democrat is in office.
So, you're saying that Trump didn't advocate during his presidency for ...
Wow.
lol...he is "Bitch". He doesn't make any decisions.
Wonder what the Dems hold over on him to make him their "Bitch".
He needs to stick to that.
See.... I don't think so.
I think they've given plenty of valid reasons to vote against them, but nothing impeachable.
I was born, raised, and live right on the AZ/Mexico border (6 blocks from the border fence to be precise). You live where? Oh that's right, about half or two thirds way but up the Eastern seaboard. Have you ever even been to the Southern border in the last six months? Judging on your comments it is highly doubtful. You really have very little clue on what actually goes on down here.
Open border or not, there seems to be a low density of Hispanics in your Blue County, how come?
Not sure what you are getting at. My county of Cochise is consistently red rather than blue in political makeup and voting. Are you asking why density of Hispanic voter population is lower in blue counties? Actually the reverse is truer in that many Hispanic voters rend to cluster in the major metropolitan areas like Tucson and Phoenix for better employment availability and said areas are traditional bastions of liberal Democrats.
Sorry, I was trying to ask Tessylo about her county.
No, I'm sorry that was my bad. I was not paying the attention I should have. My apologies to both you and Tessylo for my error.
I'm not a dude. You and magic are clueless
No. The steaming pile of shit #45 did none of those things
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Well John, nobody's perfect. Oh wait, you and many on the liberal left think Biden is...
Dude, I don't care. I use 2 gender neutral words for people. "Dude" is the polite one. The other I dont use here on NT because it makes people cry.
Probably has a autographed picture of him./s
I don't do it for them. Fuck them.
For those still defending Biden & the democrats on inflation, I want you all to remember this:
Who doesn't like free chicken!
The prime example of that was "Obamacare." Just about every Republican was originally dead set against it. Then the Republicans eventually gained control of congress and Trump became President and Paul Ryan demanded that they "Repeal & Replace" it before they enacted any other piece of legislation. It took them all of Trump's first year to get it down to a close vote in the Senate, where it came down to the vote of one Republican Senator who held a petty grudge against Trump and killed "Repeal & Replace" in a symbolic act of revenge.
Why did Republicans have so much trouble with something they previously had complete unity on?
Answer: Because by the time Republicans won both the Presidency and Congress, Obamacare had gone into effect. Many of those poor Republicans who once were against it, were suddenly getting the benefits. People who had never been able to afford health insurance or paid a dime into health insurance, were suddenly getting free health coverage. Their elected representatives were well aware of that fact!
ah yes, the ACA, the healthcare bill expanded to 10x it's size with amendments written by the health insurance industry and big pharma for republicans, so they could all vote against it and spend the next 10 years trying to repeal it and whine about it.
This weekly "wrapup" continuously glorifies liars, cheats, mental cases, traitors , and race baiters, and those are just the Republican candidates. Many of the right wing voters are just as bad or worse.
There is a storm coming, but it is not the election day results, it is the dangerous turmoil facing the country as the far right becomes more and more emboldened and decent people are forced to fight back.
It's strange that you would be so concerned about people who have little power, especially after 18 months of authoritarian rule.
And yet you forgot to include any link to back up any of your claims about this article.
Don't the idiots on the left call them "domestic terrorists"?
Its garbage
All they have
How come all these "mistakes" go the same way?
We see how the "Jim Crow" claims about Georgia Election Laws turned out.
Yup, record turnout with black voters surpasing white voters via population percentages.
Only way for that to happen is that Democrats were wrong. There is a trend of this happening.
They are so used to charging racism at every election, that its become a reflex action.
All the while ignoring (willful or otherwise) their own blatnant racism.
They are fostering tribalism to win elections
And to keep their kids from, as Biden put it, growing up in urban jungles.
How will they defend that?
Has anybody asked Jim Clyburn about it?
He's been pretty quiet about "systemic racism" these days. Imagine that.
That's been debunked
Ya got nothin'
As usual
Seeing as how Hobbs is the Secretary of State, yes, her office sent out the erroneous ballots.
So WHO has got nothing? You really should do some deeper research prior to ANY debunking attempt.
No dear, it really happened.
Then you'll have no problem providing your source. There are plenty of sources showing it DID happen.
Or are you just trolling - as usual?
Similar "mistake" here in Colorado...two election cycles in a row, by the same Dem Secretary of State
Nothing, as usual
What actually happened/debunked, dear
By whom?
When?
Not to mention they were up front about it and admitted to a mistake and worked on rectifying it. Think the Dems would do the same? I don't. They would just blame somebody else.
Honest Mistake/Debunked
Potato/Potatoe
Do you seriously expect a reasonable and coherent answer on that?
Nope.
See 5.2.9
Then throw up an impasse when you've lost the argument, like before
Did you win an argument?
Did not even come close.
Every
Single
One
Of
Them
Except in their dreams.
I could add to that, but I'm not going to.
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You have never won an argument on here.
You don't even try to read reputable sources linked for you.
You think Biden is intelligent.
Yep, you're a liberal.
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But you did with that comment.
While what Dowd says is true, the comparison actually goes even farther than that. The Nazis consolidated the power they achieved by making sure they never lost an election again. Such plans are in the drawing stages by Republicans right now. There is high hopes among the right that the right dominated Supreme Court will make a ruling this session that will allow state legislatures make the final decision about which candidate wins an election. If the GOP majority state legislature of Pennsylvania, for example, decides that there was sufficient "voter fraud" in the state they could just vote to declare a Donald Trump was the winner.
Sounds pretty Nazi like to me. People dont like to compare the far right Republicans to the Nazis because Hitler started a world war and tried to exterminate tens of millions of people. But the Republicans could give us a version of Nazi Germany just without all the international violence and the clear cut genocide. Hitler- lite.
"'The Nazis consolidated the power they achieved by making sure they never lost an election again. Such plans are in the drawing stages by Republicans right now. There is high hopes among the right that the right dominated Supreme Court will make a ruling this session that will allow state legislatures make the final decision about which candidate wins an election."
Hysterical and uninformed speculation on your part.
Yes they did it by banning all other political parties other than their own.... (then sent blackshirts and secret police out to enforce it violently)
Where are the Republicans doing that today? Especially since they control nothing in the present government?
Oh, but that's one of the fears the Democrat party is pushing for the midterms. They have been telling people that democracy is under attack and if the Republicans gain control in Washington then the Republicans will do everything to remove all others from power and cement their one-party rule.
Let's be honest, that's all that the Democrats have been pushing this entire election cycle. All they are doing is pushing fear in the hopes that it brings out enough votes for them.
It is under attack snuffy by 45 and his supporters and enablers for more than two years now
You pretend not to see it and blame Democrats for everything
You are so correct. The liberal left, in a proverbial sense, just keep falling on their own swords with zero help from the right. I am definitely going to have the popcorn ready in November!
Do you really not pay attention to what is going on around you? The Republican's are doing this? That is laughable.
Unfounded, uninformed speculation like your is EXACTLY what the problem is with this country and this site.
I notice you didn't even attempt to prove anything I said wrong. Instead you bring this up? For what? To prove ONE preacher is doing what his religious system has been doing for centuries?
You need to try harder.
[deleted] The reference is not to one preacher , it is to Republican legislatures and Republican led school boards attempting to ban hundreds of books from American schools and libraries.
Every day on this site we are forced to look at your uninformed nonsense.
OH!!! You are referring to the school boards who are acting like the German Party (Nazi Party) prior to and during WW2 changed fairy tale books in the hopes of getting children to follow their beliefs. You know, exactly like the liberals / left is doing now.
You need to try harder instead of resorting to personal attacks.
You struggle to make any sense. Always.
"You need to try harder instead of resorting to personal attacks."
That's all he's got.
Please do John.... Your always so up on actual history you forget to include it in your speculations...
Please cite your sources as well, another thing you usually fail to do when making such a historical claim...
The Nazis banned and burned books, you do know that right? Republicans and "conservatives" are banning books from schools and libraries right now.
I'm not sure what you find questionable about those sentences.
Yes the Nazi's did, you have yet to show where anyone else is doing such... Your claims are not proof... Post your sources...
No, that's all you two have, dear
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Only those who's subject matter is not appropriate for the children's ages and to keep them out of the hand of children who are not old enough to really understand them.
Can you show that all the parents wanting to keep those book from their children are all Republicans or conservatives?
Nah, just use the ignore option.
That would be the fastest way to kill NT.
How many new posters have showed up in the last couple years? And how many have left or died off? Ignore feature isn’t what’s going to kill this site. Tribalism will.
That's part of the problem, but when you have a site, and this is the best forum for political discussion, with less than 100 members the ignore button is nothing more than a dicussion killer.
Half of them just devolve into slap fights. The ignore function improves the experience here for a lot of members.
That's why we have moderation.
The ignore function improves the experience here for a lot of members.
You, yourself have admitted that you have had many amusing afternoons listening to people you wouldn't necessarily listen to.
I did ?
Not going to happen.
Maybe you forgot. In that case let me give you another example:
If I didn't like cats I might simply ignore an avatar containing one, but if I looked closely I might notice the attractive face behind the cat.
We should never be quick to dismiss anyone.
The more they let themselves get pressed into a corner, the more that's all they have left.
Really going out on thin limb bud.
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Sounds like a soap opera.
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You wish the 1/6 hearings ended with a whimper but they ended with a subpoena on the inciter/instigator in chief and it was proven without a doubt that the whole failed coup was planned
It won't because matter because he won't show up. Time has run out. Another abject failure by the Dem dummies..
You wish dear
Love your Friday wrap ups. Thanks Vic.
Thanks for taking the time.
Spend, spend, spend: Biden agenda sends whopping $530M to pair of Massachusetts EV companies
Harris County, Texas, officials appeal to DOJ after Abbott's office says sending election inspectors
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/harris-county-texas-officials-appeal-doj-after-abbotts-office-says?utm_source=sf&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=twjs
So inconsistencies in the 2020 election are the reason for inspectors and auditors to be on site. Weren't we told by t Democrats and the left that things like this didn't happen during the 2020 election?
It was the purest election in history! / S
GOP wave threatens blue-state strongholds
I'm looking around me for all the left's wildest dreams.
Where are they?
They must be around here somewhere...
Take a look to the south.....on the border!
Some folks can't see what is right in front of them.
Did anyone here what Steve Bannon just said?
ware? wen?
4 months at club fed should be enough time to do what should be done...
Leaving the Courthouse, 5 minutes ago.
Here is a clue: It had to do with a Republican Congress impeaching Garland.
will that be happening before or after the autocrats attempt to dissolve our democracy?
Its all about hate and blind ignorant hateful backwards vengeance with hateful scum like Bannon and his supporters
Oh, ok
I assume it will be next January
I see you agree with me
On fighting fire with fire?
Always!
Who cares what that scumbag says?
That corrupt scumbag though that's a it redundant
Apparently you do as you always comment on him here.
Looking at the Georgia voter turnout, it appears that the democrats were wrong again, it appears that African Americans are smart enough to figure out how to vote in spite of their claims. When will democrats come to the conclusion that African Americans are equal?
Musk said he plans to cut nearly 75 percent of Twitter’s workforce:
report
https:// trib.al/VNisHpo
Was that workforce or wokeforce?
More or lest the wokeforce of overpaid computer nerds.
Nearly 60 percent see mainstream media as a threat to democracy: poll
https:// trib.al/SRGlD7L
Well it's 59 percent that see it as a "Major" threat and 25% that see it as a minor threat...
That means 84% see it as some level of a threat to the nation...
Not unusual at all since you don't hear much of the truth out of them anymore...
Completely understandable. The Russia hoax sealed their fate.
The damage the media has done to itself this century is almost unfathomable.
But in a lot of ways they accomplished what they wanted to, there are still a large number of morons who think trump colluded with Russia.
TRUDEAU: "From today forward, it is no longer legal to buy, sell, or transfer a handgun in Canada."
Boy King of Canada
At least he didn’t make the announcement in black face.
Thanks, I almost forgot about that.
He didn't make the rule, he spoke for the government of Canada that made the rule. Thank God at least Canada is grown up while some other nations just love their toys no matter WHAT damage they do.
Did he make the rule on freezing the bank accounts of truck drivers?
Who's will was he serving there?
Vic, I really don't like him. His father, whom I thought was the best Prime Minister Canada had during my lifetime at least, was the last liberal I voted for in Canada, but I fully agree with whatever Justin might have done to end the tyranny of those truck drivers. Even the major truck driving associations in Canada and their members criticized those guys, but of course the fascist Americans supported them.
Even the old fashioned liberals would have disagreed. They believed in Civil Liberties. The new left does not.
Vic, it's called "CIVIL" Liberties for a reason. Because exercising one's liberties should be done CIVILLY. The truckers were like wild animals, and you know damn well that "FREEDOM" has common sense limitations besides actual legal ones. Let's see what the investigative probe comes up with.
Sheeesh. I thought conservatives believed in the Rule of Law.
I agree with all of that. Except: I didn't think the truck drivers acted like wild animals. I do, however think that the vast majority of protests in the US, from the Vietnam war to the summer of 2020, were incredibly violent and they were all defended as a right.
What I recall was a pretty hippie girl planting a flower into the rifle barrel of a National Guardsman's rifle, and the violence was the shooting and killing a Kent State U student, and then there was Hanoi Jane, and draft dodgers, some of whom were my friends and even business partners in a successful business I created with two of them as partners. However, the truckers caused life and death dangerous situations by blocking ordinary citizens' free access, and causing multimillion dollars of losses to both America and Canada because of their bridge blocking. Fuck them.. As far as I'm concerned I hope they get the book thrown at them. As I said, their own organizations were against what they were doing. Free speech is fine, until it causes danger for other people, and that's what they did.
"Even before Nixon’s formal announcement of the invasion, rumors of the U.S. military incursion into Cambodia resulted in protests at colleges and universities across the country. At Kent State, these protests actually began on May 1, the day after the invasion.
That day, hundreds of students gathered on the Commons, a park-like space at the center of campus that had been the site of large demonstrations and other events in the past. Several speakers spoke out against the war in general, and President Nixon specifically.
That night, in downtown Kent, there were reports of violent clashes between students and local police. Police alleged that their cars were hit with bottles, and that students stopped traffic and lit bonfires in the streets.
Reinforcements were called in from neighboring communities, and Kent Mayor Leroy Satrom declared a state of emergency, before ordering all the bars in the town closed. Satrom also contacted Ohio Governor James Rhodes seeking assistance.
Satrom’s decision to close the bars actually angered the protesters more, and increased the size of the crowds on the streets of town. Police were eventually able to move the protesters back toward campus, using tear gas to disperse the crowd. However, the stage was set for trouble.
Ohio National Guard Arrives
The following day, Saturday, May 2, there were rumors that radicals were making threats against the town of Kent and the university. The threats reportedly were primarily made against businesses in the town and certain buildings on campus.
After speaking with other city officials, Satrom asked Governor Rhodes to send the Ohio National Guard to Kent in an attempt to calm tensions in the area.
At the time, members of the National Guard were already on duty in the region, and thus were mobilized fairly quickly. By the time they arrived at the Kent State campus on the night of May 2nd, however, protesters had already set fire to the school’s ROTC building, and scores were watching and cheering as it burned.
Some protesters also reportedly clashed with firefighters attempting to put out the blaze, and Guardsmen were asked to intervene. Clashes between the Guard and the protesters continued well into the night, and dozens of arrests were made.
Interestingly, the next day, Sunday, May 3, was a fairly calm day on campus. The weather was sunny and warm, and students were lounging on the Commons and even engaging with the Guardsmen on duty.
Still, with nearly 1,000 National Guards at the school, the scene was more like that of a war zone than a college campus.
Protesters and Guardsmen Gather
With a major protest already scheduled for noon on Monday, May 4, once again on the Commons, university officials attempted to diffuse the situation by prohibiting the event. Still, crowds began to gather at about 11:00 that morning, and an estimated 3,000 protesters and spectators were there by the scheduled start time.
Stationed at the now-destroyed ROTC building were roughly 100 Ohio National Guardsmen carrying M-1 military rifles.
Historians have never reached consensus as to who exactly organized and participated in the Kent State protests—or how many of them were students at the university or anti-war activists from elsewhere. But the protest on May 4th, during which activists spoke out against the presence of the National Guard on campus as well as the Vietnam War, was initially peaceful.
Still, Ohio National Guard General Robert Canterbury ordered the protesters to disperse, with the announcement being made by a Kent State police officer riding in a military jeep across the Commons and using a bullhorn to be heard over the crowd. The protesters refused to disperse and began shouting and throwing rocks at the Guardsmen.
Four Dead in Ohio
General Canterbury ordered his men to lock and load their weapons, and to fire tear gas into the crowd. The Guardsmen then marched across the Commons, forcing protesters to move up a nearby hill called Blanket Hill, and then down the other side of the hill toward a football practice field.
As the football field was enclosed with fencing, the Guardsmen were caught amongst the angry mob, and were the targets of shouting and thrown rocks yet again.
The Guardsmen soon retreated back up Blanket Hill. When they reached the top of the hill, witnesses say 28 of them suddenly turned and fired their M-1 rifles, some into the air, some directly into the crowd of protesters.
Over just a 13-second period, nearly 70 shots were fired in total. In all, four Kent State students—Jeffrey Miller, Allison Krause, William Schroeder and Sandra Scheuer—were killed, and nine others were injured. Schroeder was shot in the back, as were two of the injured, Robert Stamps and Dean Kahler."
They were violent scum and the shooting was justified.
In case you haven't heard, you can't shoot unarmed people, never mind college students.
These kids had the right to protest. It was their lives on the line. Those in the National Guard were safe, here.
Ultimately, nothing was gained from either Vietnam or Cambodia except a lot of dead kids. The "Domino Theory" was wrong, we know that now. All I have to say is "four dead in Ohio"
They were surrounded and had everything thrown at them. They feared for their lives. It was a justified shooting.
Ultimately, nothing was gained from either Vietnam or Cambodia except a lot of dead kids. The "Domino Theory" was wrong, we know that now.
The US should never get involved in any war it does not intend to win. Once in a war the US must prevail. We got in that war because JFK got pushed around for a few years and drew the line there. LBJ refused to invade the North, thus you had an unending police action.
The was no rock throwing until they gassed the crowd. And rocks are not bullets.
The fact that you can still call that a "Police Action", is kind of funny. Those there called it a war. By calling it a "Police Action" was a way of our government of not calling it what it was.
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There was no gas used until the 3,000 animals refused to disperse as instructed by the 100 Guardsmen. Do you get the picture?
The fact that you can still call that a "Police Action", is kind of funny. Those there called it a war. By calling it a "Police Action" was a way of our government of not calling it what it was.
It was a war micromanaged by LBJ, which could have ended quickly.
and that's allowed too!
I personally think that the justifications remains somewhat an open question, however:
Fri, 1 May a rally was held on campus that afternoon
Fri night, bonfires were lit in the streets downtown, cars were stopped, police cars were hit with bottles and store windows were broken
The mayor declared an emergency and ordered the bars closed, police used teargas to disperse the growing crowd
On Sat morning, the mayor asked the governor for national guard help based on what he had seen and threats that were reported
Someone lit the ROTC building on campus and demonstrators fought with firemen and the building burned to the ground
What happened in the days leading up to the shooting is irrelevant. The only thing that is relevant is what happened on campus that day. And I stand by that rocks are not bullets. Imagine if cops shot a guy who threw rocks.
Kind of funny that they feared for their lives from college students, while their counterparts were actually taking gunfire. They were safe here by going into the guard to avoid the war. Talk about a pile of hypocrites.
There is no, "too". I took care of all the moderation despite the fact that 1. you never flagged it and 2. I was responding to you.
How about flagging, instead of going to meta on your own article?
And once again, I was responding. How about cutting me a break, since I already addressed this?
That's my point; CAN I FLAG ???
No, it goes to state of mind and plausibility.
I see it as tragic waste of life and traumatic for many people, not funny in the least
Some while others had likely joined the NG before there was the draft. I think that the Army activated seventy some units for Vietnam duty and maybe 13,000 served there.
All of the Guardsmen there or just the shooters?
OK, I hear ya, but you know why that is. That being said since I am in the article just tell me instead of accusing me.
Sadly, I do.
That being said since I am in the article just tell me instead of accusing me.
Will do.
It doesn't work that way with the police and these are home police.
Sorry, I don't play word games.
That was not the way it went back then. You were protected from going into a war if you were in the National guard or the Coast Guard. The fact that they sent, showed how unpopular the war was.
The shooters.. and you knew what I meant, but again, word games.
NG units that served in Vietnam:
I don't know what you mean.
I said that the NG did go, but not a lot of them. I also said that they enlisted in the NG, because until then, it was a way not to go to war.
They were sent to quell the boomers who were complaining about why they had to serve.
Thanks, got it.
National Guard: 6,140 served; 101 died.
out of a total of 2.7 million.
Not sure where your numbers come from but that wasn't repeated in Iraq or Afghanistan.
That was Vietnam. No it wasn't repeated in Iraq or Afghanistan.
A well thrown rock can kill somebody just at as dead as a bullet does. I have seen it.
It was termed a police action solely by those who were involved in the actual fighting. To me and others who were there it was very much a 100% genuine real "war".
Correction to the above. It should have read "It was termed a police action solely by those who were not involved in the actual fighting."
Sorry.
Got to protect oneself from the violent hippie scum.
Especially when they're wearing metal helmets as shown in the image above.
Actually, those appear to be painted helmet liners which were usually made of plastic. In addition, metal helmets did not protect the facial areas.
Well, okay Ed, you're right. If the kids are throwing rocks, kill the kids. As Ebeneezer Scrooge had said, it will help reduce the excess population.
If you are faced with a potential threat to your life, are you going to stop and ask or check the age of the person attacking you? And I said nothing about killing kids, that was you.
Those who put themselves in the position of having their life threatened by those who are exercising their constitutional rights might find themselves in a difficult situation, whether or not it is their choice. However, I do NOT agree with violence and rioting as being acceptable, whether it is lighting fire to the ROTC building, or invading the Capitol Building or looting and riots over the death of a black man, or the riots during protesting in Hong Kong, or what is actually how this discussion started, such as truckers breaking laws and putting decent citizens in danger and making their lives miserable. .
The Historic Vietnam Veterans Protest in Washington: Lessons for Today
This event has now concluded. A full-length recording is available below.
Many veterans came home from Vietnam with a mission: to tell the truth about the wartime atrocities being committed and demand an immediate end to the killing. In April 1971, a group of more than 1,000 veterans launched the Dewey Canyon III operation, a “limited incursion into the land of Congress.” They camped on the Washington Mall without a permit, defying a Supreme Court order that they be removed, and brought their antiwar message forcefully to the national government and the media. The week of action culminated in a dramatic scene, as veterans threw their military medals over a fence at the Capitol.
April 23 marks the 50th anniversary of that ceremony, described by observers at the time and historians since as one of the most influential anti-war actions of the era. It was the occasion when a young Lieutenant John Kerry gave historic testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. A moment of turning, as Kerry said and historian Andrew Hunt wrote, when public opinion turned more decisively against the war.
Photo: Waging Peace in Vietnam
For those that were never in Vietnam but supported the war from their living room this is a lesson for you.
And from all of us who simply objected to the violent radical left: Post 18.2.7 is for you!
Did you object from your living room?
I voted against them for the next 54 years.
Wow are you ever the protester, did you mail it in so you didn't have to leave your living room?
Protest what?
You protested by voting against them (whoever they are) but I would have thought that you would have confronted them face to face you feel so strongly about them. They were just a bunch of long haired hippes, oh wait there were thousands of Vietnam vets there protesting as well...
Those were college kids who didn't want to die in a stupid war. In case you haven't heard, you have the right to protest in America.
And in case you think this isn't personal to me, it is. My dad fought in both Korea and Vietnam. He used to believe in the Domino Theory, but he grew up and changed. Nothing was gained from that war. And if you believed so passionately in it, why didn't you enlist, like my dad?
They are the same people voted into power in 2020.
but I would have thought that you would have confronted them face to face you feel so strongly about them.
In one case I actually did. It took place late at night when I was waiting for the last train leaving Harvard Square station. There was only two of us there. The other person made the mistake od spitting on a military recruiting poster.
Let's just say by the time I got home I was concerned that there may have been cameras at the station. Evidently there weren't any...at least functioning.
Being that you thought the war was right and being such a bad ass, I would have thought that you would have been in the street during the real war protests.
Or better yet, in Nam fighting the commies.
They lost their deferment and it was they who started the anti-Vietnam War movement (along with other things.) Fuck them!
In case you haven't heard, you have the right to protest in America.
That right does not extend to overwhelming the small town where Kent State University is located, nor did it include pelting the Guard with bricks and bottles, nor did it extend to surrounding the guard and hitting them with everything at hand.
And in case you think this isn't personal to me, it is. My dad fought in both Korea and Vietnam. He used to believe in the Domino Theory, but he grew up and changed. Nothing was gained from that war.
That's great Perrie. My father served in the military a good deal of his life. He volunteered for the Navy and was later activated from the Guard during WWII.
And if you believed so passionately in it,
Where did I say I believed passionately in it? I said the US had to fight wars to WIN!
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You keep saying that. Show me where I said we should have got involved in Vietnam!
I'll wait
Since Perrie is here, maybe she can tell me the reason you get to taunt and troll?
They were speaking for their generation. And there were plenty there who were not in college.
As I said, THAT DAY, the kids didn't throw a thing until they were gassed. The National Guard started it. And rocks are not bullets.
Every man who was able went to WWII. My dad enlisted, and fought in that war, as did all his brothers. Again, if you thought the war was so right, why did you not enlist?
We shouldn't have been there in the first place. It was France's problem, not ours.
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Maybe I didn't see it until now.
When certain things are done, they require monitoring.
You can wait forever, your comment about fuck the protesters so what are you supporting? in fact you intimited that you beat up a protester, so what was that then?
Before there is anymore meta here, I have to see it to moderate it. I can't see it, if I am writing a reply to you.
No, only their own asses.
And there were plenty there who were not in college.
Oh yes, many of the boomers followed their lead, not just with the anti-Vietnam rehtoric but with making drug addiction a national epidemic.
As I said, THAT DAY, the kids didn't throw a thing until they were gassed. The National Guard started it. And rocks are not bullets.
They were told to disperse and they refused. They got far less than they deserved.
Every man who was able went to WWII. My dad enlisted, and fought in that war, as did all his brothers. Again, if you thought the war was so right, why did you not enlist?
You and Kavika keep saying that. Again, show me where I said we should have gotten involved in Vietnam?
We shouldn't have been there in the first place. It was France's problem, not ours.
But we did go in. Therefore we should have fought to win: that meant occupying Hanoi.
The Vietnam vets started protesting in 1967/68 and the huge DC vet's against the war took place in 1971 and were instrumental in stopping the war, so do you say ''fuck them'' as well?
Very good
Very good. Next don't make stuff up.
It was implied when you called the protesters scum.
If we had to fight to win, we weren't winning in Vietnam, why go into Cambodia? More dead kids? That was exactly why these kids were protesting.
I didn't make anything up, but keep swinging away.
Let me correct that: SOME of "The Vietnam vets started protesting in 1967/68."
I want to be sure that you and others understand that your political leanings represent the minority view among members of the military.
and were instrumental in stopping the war
That is debatable. Nixon made a promise and eventually fullfilled it.
so do you say ''fuck them'' as well?
To a veteran? Never
They were speaking for themselves and for others. And there is nothing wrong with that. And since I am a boomer (much like you), I'm sorry, but I don't know anyone who was a drug addict, not that it has anything to do with the topic, other than try to paint an entire generation in a bad light.
And I keep asking you, as a daughter of someone who enlisted, why you didn't enlist, since you believe we were in it to win.
No there was no implication of my feelings of whether we should have sent US forces to Vietnam. It only showed my feelings on those who generated such upheaval.
If we had to fight to win, we weren't winning in Vietnam, why go into Cambodia?
Because the Norh Vietnamese were using Cambodia as a staging point & supply line for their forces. We were playing by rules and they didn't have to? That was idiotic and is why we were there for so long.
I happened to be a high school kid in DC from 21-26 Apr. Operation Dewey Canyon III was ongoing and was a tune up for the May Day demo that followed. I was in front of the Capital Fri morning when hundreds of Vets threw their medals at a stature near the Capitol. A highschool friend's mom was a hometown secretary for SEN Baker and he gave me and another friend a pass to see John Kerry's testimony on the War to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. It was one big party on the Mall.
Our generation was probably the nation's biggest. It is because the nation had gone through a very prosperous, peaceful time immediately after WWII. A great time to raise a family. Unfortunately, our generation was so large it overwhelmed the institutions that should have civilized us. I am not talking about all boomers. It was that big a genmeration that many were fighting in the jungles of Vietnam. Most of my life was spent with the working class and I have known a multitude of friends who died of drug overdoses. That goes on this very day. More have died from that since 2020 than the pandemic.
And I keep asking you, as a daughter of someone who enlisted, why you didn't enlist, since you believe we were in it to win.
Now you have me totally confused. I said we clearly were not fighting that war to win!
Some did and many more did it in other ways and they were in the Military, btw they numbered in the thousands.
I want to assure you that since I was in Vietnam for two tours it was not the minority view.
No, not debatable at all.
Good to know, since they fought there and they knew that the war was wrong.
So you were not in Vietnam, and the vets on the mall had been. Our viewpoint was from an ugly life experience, which holds a lot of weight. Sadly many of those vets never came home mentally and many came home missing body parts, the aftermath of that war is still felt today by those that fought in it, one only has to look at the suicide rates.
WTF does that have to do with Vietnam, not a damn thing.
Here are more stats for you.
Yes, I turned 18 and graduated HS in 1972, I had a draft card but I had an ROTC 4 yr scholarship, so i had already signed a commitment to serve.
Absolutely.
Yes, Agent Orange and the PTSD induced suicides mean we will never know the full extent of our casualties. A terrible war for all sides and unforgivably, we didn't learn from our mistakes when we marched to Baghdad in 2003.
Right back at ya!
Again, what does this have to do with Vietnam. Nothing.
It backs my claim:
"I want to be sure that you and others understand that your political leanings represent the minority view among members of the military."
We were talking about the Vietnam era..and you keep trying to change the time frame. I also showed you were Trump numbers in 2020 were not the majority of the military.
At what in the world does that have to do with Vietnam, Vic?
Great comment. Oh, wait we dropped more bombs on Vietnam than we did in WWII in both the European and Asian theaters.
We also used napalm, agent orange, and willie peter. We also had control of the air and sea.
Can you even imagine what the cost in American lives would have been trying to conquer and occupy North Vietnam?
Not to even mention a repeat of the Korean war when the Chinese joined the war against us. You can bet that the Chinese would have gone into an all-out effort to destroy us in N.V.
The war would have been over in a matter of months. Why wouldn't LBJ do that?
And after I told you of the problems you make the decision that it would be over in months. In your vast military experience what makes you think that it would have been?
LBJ had enough brains not to have Americans suffer massive casualties, oh, and that old Korean War problem. China would be all in against us and of course, Russia would continue to supply massive arms shipments and probably fly some combat missions against us.
Why? For America, war is good business. That's the biggest problem in the world today.
No, it would not have been over quickly because China would have intervened with full military involvement if we did a full out land invasion of the North just like they did in Korea. China would not have tolerated a democratic and unified Vietnam on their doorstep just like they do not want a unified democratic Korea run by the South. China needs communist controlled North Korea and Vietnam as buffer zone road blocks against the West.
Agree, If the Korean peninsula was unified under the south, the China/Korea border would be harder to cross than the Berlin wall.
Where did China make such a threat?
They did make the threat in the Korean war and they backed it up. Gen MacArthur had the answer, but Truman was more concerned about the country being war-weary.
"Where did China make such a threat?"
Sorry, I cannot give you a specific date or time, but I feel confident it was pretty much a implied threat by China. The US remembered what happened in Korea when MacArthur pushed all the way to the Yalu River on China's border and feared they would do the same in Vietnam.
Gen Curtis LeMay turned most of those Chinese troops into ashes and Gen MacArthur wanted to use Nukes on China. That's who we should have listened to.
As far as Vietnam goes LBJ was simply afraid that Russia, not China would intervene. In the 60's we had a huge military and nuclear superiority over both of those countries.
I have to differ with you on Lemay. As head of SAC, he was highly against his B-29 force of heavy bombers being sent to Korea for use in tactical role rather than a strategic one and he only gave in grudgingly. The B-29's were tasked primarily with bombing of bridges, railyard and industrial infrastructures, and not troop concentrations, that sadly resulted in huge numbers of civilian casualties. Early in the war, due to losses by MiG 15 fighter jets, missions by B-29's were switched to reduced night raids. The vast majority of Chinese ground troops were killed by tactical aircraft such as single engine fighter bombers or twin engined medium bombers as well as combat action with ground troops.
Agree, I don't think that China would have tolerated us on their border. Ike was very fearful of getting into a major ground war in Asia. JFK and LBJ made a huge, tragic blunder. We killed far 60K+ US, we don't know the full number if you counted those who commited suicide and died from Agent Orange. We spent billions, trillians in today's dollars and killed millions of Vietnamese. In large part because of our mistaken idea of a unified communist threat and the domino theory. Hindsight is 20-20, and with that benefit, we should have assisted Ho Chi Minh when he asked for it after WWII.
Well, gee, America's got to keep creating or being involved in wars, even at home it seems.
Good thing it wasn't YOUR kid eh?
Well, for sure she wasn't YOUR kid.
Maybe we should just be trying to stay on topic and talk about truck drivers making life miserable and even dangerous for law-abiding citizens, in a situation where the vast majority of law abiding citizens disagreed with those truck drivers, along with I've said again and again their own truck driving organizations and the majority of Canadian truck drivers. But go ahead and support them. Send them money, YOUR money to pay their legal bills. Put up your money rather than your complaints.
I was surprised that 52 years after the Kent State shooting, there were so many passionate comments. The comments were pretty typical for this site. Either the Guard was completely justified or the Guard was made up of hypocritical killers. Nothing in between and each side believing with moral certitude that even though they weren't there, some maybe not even old enough to remember those times, but they KNOW that their judgement is right.
The late 60's, the race riots, massive protests, Chicago convention, assassinations, Orangeburg massacre, Kent State, Jackson State, bombings, police killings, this was the start of our current divide and polarization that continues to plague us.
There's something happening here
But what it is ain't exactly clear
There's a man with a gun over there
Telling me I got to beware
Back then, they only came from one direction.