NBC silent after retracting Paul Pelosi report under mysterious circumstances
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Via: vic-eldred • 2 years ago • 200 commentsBy: Joseph Wulfsohn (Fox News)
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NBC News went viral with an explosive report about what allegedly transpired when police responded to the attack on Paul Pelosi but the network's retraction is fueling even more questions.
NBC News caused a firestorm on social media after it retracted its explosive reporting on last week's attack of Paul Pelosi.
On Friday's installment of "Today," NBC News national correspondent Miguel Almaguer went viral for stunning revelations of what apparently transpired when police arrived to Pelosi's San Francisco home.
"Sources familiar with what unfolded in the Pelosi residence now revealing when officers responded to the 'high priority call,' they were seemingly unaware they've been called to the home of the Speaker of the House," Almaguer told viewers. "After a 'knock and announce,' the front door was opened by Mr. Pelosi. The 82-year-old did not immediately declare an emergency or tried to leave his home but instead began walking several feet back into the foyer toward the assailant and away from police. It's unclear if the 82-year-old was already injured or what his mental state was, say sources."
Paul and Nancy Pelosi on April 25, 2015, in Washington, D.C.; Image shows FBI agents outside the home of Nancy and Paul Pelosi on Oct. 28, 2022. (Dimitrios Kambouris/VF15/WireImage ; Fox News)
"According to court documents, when the officer asked what was going on, defendant smiled and said 'everything's good' but instantaneously a struggle ensued as police clearly saw David DePape strike Paul Pelosi in the head with a hammer. After tackling the suspect, officers rushed to Mr. Pelosi who was lying in a pool of blood," Almaguer continued.
Almaguer concluded his report by telling "Today" co-host Craig Melvin "we still don't know exactly what unfolded between Mr. Pelosi and the suspect for the 30 minutes they were alone inside that house before police arrive. Officials who are investigating this matter would not go into further details about these new details."
NBC News retracted its report from correspondent Miguel Almaguer about stunning details from the Paul Pelosi attack on Nov. 4, 2022. (Screenshot/NBC News)
The report made the rounds on Twitter with critics saying the revelations raised more questions than answers regarding what occurred at the Pelosi residence.
However, not long after it was shared online, NBC News removed the report from its website and on social media.
NBC News issued an editor's note on its website, reading "This piece has been removed from publication because it did not meet NBC News reporting standards."
It is unclear what specifically from Almaguer's report did not meet the network's "reporting standards."
NBC News did not immediately respond to Fox News' requests for comment.
Paul and Nancy Pelosi attend the Pre-GRAMMY Gala. (Right) David DePape (Michael Short/ San Francisco Chronicle)
Paul Pelosi was released from the hospital on Thursday, nearly one week after the shocking attack at his home. The 82-year-old underwent emergency surgery on a fractured skull.
DePape was charged with multiple crimes, including attempted homicide, assault with a deadly weapon, burglary and elder abuse.
The 42-year-old illegal immigrant from Canada allegedly wanted to hold House Speaker Nancy Pelosi hostage and threatened to break "her kneecaps" if he caught her lying, according to court documents.
Police recovered zip ties in Pelosi's bedroom, found glass broken at the rear of the house, tape, rope, gloves and a journal, according to the FBI affidavit.
Fox News' Michael Ruiz contributed to this report.
Joseph A. Wulfsohn is a media reporter for Fox News Digital. Story tips can be sent to joseph.wulfsohn@fox.com and on Twitter: @JosephWulfsohn.
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The details of this attack seem very strange:
Paul Pelosi has an intruder in the house, he calls the police and they come, when they arrive he opens the door for them and then turns back and walks toward the intruder who hits Pelosi over the head with a hammer. The intruder broke in. There are alarms but they don't go off. There are cameras all over the property but nobody notices. Does anyone else think that this is strange?
Why the censorship by NBC of their own story?
Why the lack of transparency by the police?
Before somebody calls me a "conspiracy theorist," please note: that I am only asking logical questions.
And how many other hammer attacks have piqued such interest? This is just another in a too long list of politically motivated ‘hit’ pieces.
It should be a frightening reminder of just how divisive the dialogue has become when a fellow citizen is attacked in his home in the middle of the night and somehow that attack is marginalized for purely puerile political purposes.
Any weird circumstances have piqued such interest. Shall we toss anybody who asks a question in Jail? Will the Stasi be coming for me?
t should be a frightening reminder of just how divisive the dialogue has become when a fellow citizen is attacked in his home in the middle of the night and somehow that attack is marginalized for purely puerile political purposes.
That's the conspiracy theory the left is pushing.
I'm asking questions that you seem frightened of.
“I'm asking questions that you seem frightened of.”
No…afrayedknot.
You’re just tossing chum into the feeding frenzy.
I'm asking the questions that the leftist media should be asking.
“I'm asking the questions that the leftist media should be asking.”
No, you’re just repeating the questions that the right wing outlets are spoon feeding you.
I have every right to ask questions.
Despite Biden, this isn't the Soviet Union yet!
How do you bring yourself to make such a ridiculous comparison? This suggests that Biden is attempting to turn our system into one that is:
Why not just compare Biden with Stalin ... you are almost there?
Yes he is like Stalin.
He has weaponized the DOJ/FBI to investigate/intimidate parents. He also schemed to get a school board association to send the DOJ a letter asking for help with local school board meetings.
He has threatened FBI whistleblowers who talked to members of congress.
He has supported a double standard of justice and his DOJ is out trying to prosecute political enemies.
He has maliciously punished without evidence members of the border patrol for using "whips' on migrants.
He has violated his duty as president to protect the borders of the US
He has continued to lie to the American people on everything from the economy to racism
Have I missed anything TiG?
You have missed the concept of rational comparison. You are comparing a brutal authoritarian dictator to a PotUS. You are comparing the former USSR to the USA that Biden seeks.
I think anyone who compares Biden to Stalin has destroyed their credibility.
Oh dear god, Vic, get a grip. Every one of those things you listed is exactly what Democrats would have listed about Trump. Irony at it's best.
As for this story. The bottom line is that an 82 year old man was beaten with a hammer. Even if they were lovers (they were not, nor would it be anyone's business but the Pelosi family), this is still a crime and a brutal one at that.
Yes Perrie, nobody argues that point.
By the same token, the media has an obligation to be non-partisan.
I got the idea form Joe Biden.
Could you be more vague?
And there is no proof that this is just a gaff.
And for the record, I would hardly call Fox News, OAN, or Newsmax non-partisan. Every news outlet has a bend to it, and that is the reality of the situation.
Did you miss his Phialdelphia speech and his most recent one from Union Station?
Let me refresh your memory:
"We're seeing now either the beginning or the death knell of an extreme MAGA agenda," Reuters reported Biden saying at the fundraiser, referring to former President Trump's "Make America Great Again" slogan. "It's not just Trump. ... It's almost semi-fascism."
"Trump and the extreme MAGA Republicans have made their choice," Biden said to the party faithful. "To go backwards, full of anger, violence, hate and division.
"MAGA Republicans don't just threaten our personal rights and economic security," Biden said. "They are a threat to our very democracy. They refuse to accept the will of the people. They embrace — embrace — political violence. They don't believe in democracy."
Thank you Perrie
Gee, hasn't the WH walked back and already "Joe-splained" what Biden really, really meant yet?
Vic, let me clarify. I meant I meant that NBC just made a gaff and not some conspiracy.
Biden wants to be Chi, not Stalin.
He wants to create a population that is subservient and never questions rule. That is so preprogrammed and used to the yoke of oppression that any rebellion will be put down by the oppressed. He would really like to make all dissenters disappear to reeducation camps- with no one ever questioning; many to never be heard from again.
Biden talks a good game about using the military against half the population that has the temerity not to agree with him; but when it comes to actually doing it- he simply doesn't have the balls to go beyond a Stalin wannabe.
Then why has the horrible terrible Biden not arrested you yet?
Vic, it is beyond absurd to compare Biden with Stalin.
You can post quotes all day long and you will never make anything more than an irrational case.
Some of you do not seem to understand that the more extreme your rhetoric the less credible your message.
Yes it is a crime; one that Brandon; Democrats, and their media lemmings have tried to turn to their political advantage.
Funny how the media quickly ignored and moved on from the story of the deranged veteran that attacked the Republican candidate for governor of NY. Of course the attacker was back out on the street the next day. No charges for attempted murder; assault with a deadly weapon; or federal charges for being a political hate crime.
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Because the Fascist Democrats are in charge of the White House, House, and Senate. Have you missed that for the last two years?
Have you missed their weaponization of the IRS, DOJ, and FBI into arms of the DNC?
In order for Brandon to get arrested he there has to be charges against him. Same as Trump- no matter how much TDS driven morons want to do away with due process in his case.
Some of you seem to have forgotten the last 7 years of "Putin's puppet!" BS.
No matter how much evidence was presented against it.
Quotes from Biden will not justify equating him with Stalin.
What are you talking about now? Try to stay focused.
Equating Biden with Stalin or Chi is absurd. Doing so is a credibility killer.
Seriously? This story hasn't even begun to scratch the surface of what you call a 'hit' piece when compared to what left wing politicians and media have heinously and wrongfully said about and done to Clarence Thomas, Nick Sandmann, Candace Owens, Kyle Rittenhouse, Brett Kavanaugh, Amy Coney Barrett, Donald Trump (and family, associates), Tim Scott, and scores of other Republicans/Conservatives.
Yeah, but that was about Trump.
Apparently, everything is fair game if directed at Trump or anyone who voted for him.
Now, if you say something similar about Biden, it isn't 'allowed'.
Spot on Vic, You missed nothing.
You compare Biden to Stalin too?
They never said their reporter got it wrong.
They simply deleted the story they had approved for release.
It appears that somebody, maybe Nancy Pelosi pressured tem to do it.
Can you read?
You are in way over your head.
If you get a reply, the answer is obviously yes.
You jumped into a discussion and clearly have no idea what we were discussing.
In the comment to which you replied, Vic's opening sentence was this:
That was in response to my (sarcastic) point @1.1.6:
The rest of his comment @1.1.7 was in support of his opening statement. See how this works?
So when you replied @1.1.33 with:
You are agreeing with Vic's assertion that Biden is like Stalin.
See?
Says the mouse to the cat.
I have followed the discussion in spite of what you think. You have just confirmed that you are in way over your head.
Mere (and platitudinal) claims with no supporting argument are rather pathetic.
It appears NBC's reporter got fed a bunch of manipulative lies by someone inclined to spread disinformation for political purposes and NBC is embarrassed by this.
No, not Biden. If Biden is so bad why hasn't he had you arrested?
Stalin would never let Russians speak of him how you do Biden...
NBC's reporter took someone's word without checking?
Link please
What credibility?
They weren't lovers and I can't believe you said that. Musk promoted it was an attack by a gay lover on Twitter and it was up for hours (after being re-tweeted and whatever thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of times).
Here is the quote:
NBC News pulls report on Paul Pelosi attack
From the same link as before.
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Well that's three times that you and I posted the same information. Unforntunately, it's not an explanation.
Thus it is quite clear that NBC, the SFPD and the Capitol Police are covering something up and for whom is quite obvious.
At this point there are only two explanations for your behavior: either (1) you are a schill for democrats or
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There remains only one explanation for your behavior.
Or the FBI.
Everything said and 'done' about those scumbags are true Jasper. Facts. Not smearing. Scumbags, every single one of them.
Nothing was wrongfully said about any of those scumbags.
Nothing is being covered up by anyone much less the media. You're promoting conspiracies, as usual.
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If ... and that's a big if ... what you claim are truly 'facts', why haven't Clarence Thomas, Nick Sandmann, Candace Owens, Kyle Rittenhouse, Brett Kavanaugh, Amy Coney Barrett, Donald Trump (and family, associates), Tim Scott, and scores of other Republicans/Conservatives been indicted, convicted, and imprisoned in US courts of law?
Or ... are the "scumbag" accusations merely based upon personal political opinion? It doesn't matter to me which it is.
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Brilliant rebuttal.
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The rules are simple. You can insult the article, public figure, etc, but you can not insult a member... that protects you as well as others.
Playing by the rules is part of any site. It was that way on NV, too.
No need to remain in the dark about it.
Simply click on the little number next to the "Thumbs Up" icon and voila! all will be revealed.
Some of them suffer from both afflictions.
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On NT, you can say the stupidest, most dishonest, most racist, most misogynistic, comments in the world and it is allowed under "free speech".
We are not allowed to call these people out in a stark way. We have to use generalities.
I think its a problem, but I dont run NT.
I dont need any protection and I doubt if Revillug does either.
Prophylactic measures on these social sites are a good idea when you don't really know who your partners are.
I've asked three times (in these deleted comments) to have my NT account deleted.
Yours was the same.
I don' think she asked for your input on what you do or don't need concerning how she runs this place. How about you show her a little respect, considering she gives you, for free, a platform for what seems to me to be mostly propaganda.
Whatever - scumbags, every single one of them.
I have a lot of respect for Perrie, and we are good friends.
There are inconsistencies in the moderation of this forum though.
You [deleted a conspiracy deleted] and were long before this particular story.
The conspiracy theory assumes that the reporter told the "truth" and NBC is covering it up by removing it.
Maybe the reporter just fucked up and misrepresented the facts and no one at NBC caught it before it went on the air.
At some point Paul Pelosi , and the attacker, will tell us their versions of what happened. Speculating that they were friends who had a gay lovers quarrel is despicable.
And where did I assume anything? If the reporter got it wrong, fucking NBC must correct the story, but they didn't. Why?
Maybe the reporter just fucked up and misrepresented the facts and no one at NBC caught it before it went on the air.
Then what happened to NBC's reponsibility to set the record straight?
Speculating that they were friends who had a gay lovers quarrel is despicable.
Did I ever say that?
John, I think you are the conspiracy theorist. You seem to think that an NBC reporter got it wrong and NBC simply shut the story down, as did the SFPD and people like me are the problem for asking questions.
Your theory , as presented in this seed, is that Pelosi knew and was friendly with the attacker.
Yes or no?
No.
I'm asking for the details of what happened.
NBC and the SFPD are obviously unwiling to provide those details.
So again, I ask you why?
Vic, you presented a theory that is based on the belief that Pelosi knew and was friends with the attacker. Forget about the "report" on NBC. The theory this seed alludes to is that Pelosi and his "friend" had an argument that became violent.
Yes or no?
That's not my theory...THAT WAS THE REPORT FROM NBC!
Forget about the "report" on NBC.
I would if NBC made a correction, but they haven't... WHY NOT?
The theory this seed alludes to is that Pelosi and his "friend" had an argument that became violent.
The only one who seems to have a theory is you. Are you now going to tell us that a reporter for NBC got it wrong, yet NBC won't correct the story?
WHY WOULDN'T THEY?
Yes or no?
NO....I have posed no theories.
Can you answer my questions at some point?
They dont want to embarrass the reporter?
If this theory is so plausible and it appeared in mainstream media (NBC), why isnt it all over the news, and emanating from every news source?
You are promoting a conspiracy theory that is not supported by facts, I dont care how you twist and turn trying to deny that.
HAHA! That may be the best excuse yet!
By not correcting whatever errors that you are clearly theorizing he made, they are actually making it appear that it is true!
You are promoting a conspiracy theory that is not supported by facts
I am using the facts supplied by NBC and you should apologize for calling me or anyone else a "conspiracy theorist."
That's what happens in Marxist/Communist/totalitarian countries.
We can't use that comparison. Only the left gets to do that. We have to be precise when describing those who have abused their power!
After Pelosi opened the door, why did he walk back to DePape instead of getting behind the police who were there to save his life? And, why didn't he leave the house after police arrived and head toward the other officers? Very strange behavior for a man who allegedly called 911 to report a "home invasion".
Also ... how many home invaders let their victims use the bathroom (unaccompanied and with a cell phone) while in the process of said "home invasion"?
And Capitol Police.
Where are all of the indoor/outdoor home surveillance camera and police body cam videos? Why won't Nancy and police allow their release to the public?
It didn't take long to release surveillance and body cam videos when it was George Floyd, Kyle Rittenhouse, Mar-a-Lago, and so many others. Why are Nancy and Paul Pelosi so "special" and why are facts about this "crime" hidden from the American public right before the 2022 midterm elections? Did Paul f*** up again and Nancy is has to use her political clout to hide everything about her husband? Who knows?
It appears they are hiding something.
And you are right, they hid details of Paul's drunk driving accident not long ago.
‘I Don’t Know What Triggered This Event’: David DePape’s Longtime Boss Speaks Out – NBC Bay Area
In that video a man that was Depapes boss, recently, not 7 years ago like that Gypsy person, says that Depape went down the "rabbitt hole" of right wing extremism, particularly as related to Jan 6.
Those are the facts, as learned not just from the boss, but also from Depapes website and social media.
Enough with this gay lover insanity.
I'm not apologizing for shit. You should be apologizing to this forum for posting conspiracy theories.
You can call it "just asking questions" all you want. What is the PURPOSE of your questions Vic? That is where the conspiracy mongering comes in.
You can't have it both ways. Democrats are pushing the theory that the Pelosi attack was political and at the same time they want a cover-up of what happened at the Pelosi residence.
Why start now?
Please specify where I mentioned this in comment 1.2.11 .
Stop accusing me of things I've never said. Thank you in advance.
Sure makes debating easy, huh?
Just say the other person said something they didn't, debate that and declare 'victory'.
When will people apologize to this forum for posting dozens of conspiracy theory articles about:
Ad nauseam.
Donald Trump was once asked about Q Anon and he said "all I know is they like me". Fuck him.
No Democrat wants a coverup of what happened at the Pelosi residence.
But we would like the NBC reporter to provide some more clarity on this source.
Read the comments here.
But we would like the NBC reporter to provide some more clarity on this source.
Transparency is clearly what is needed
I don't know why some folks keep promoting the conspiracy theory ignorance like Musk did on Twitter. This was an attack by another right wing whackjob against a Democrat - it just so happened that Nancy wasn't home at the time.
None of that has been proven false jasper.
I don't care what links you provide in the future regarding your alleged claims but you're incorrect.
They corrected the story by deleting it because it was false.
When asked why they pulled it, NBC said it was because it was false.
I have provided a link to that more than once. You have even complained about seeing the link more than once as if repeating the simple facts is some sort of spam.
It has been corrected (removed) and explained (explained). Very simple and literal. No shades of gray or mystery.
To quote Joseph Welch, "Have you no sense of decency?"
And can we please get a moderator here to stop the spread of blatant lies (which are not constitutionally protected speech, BTW).
trumpsters aren't used to seeing their own media outlets retract misinformation. it usually takes a multi-million dollar defamation lawsuit...
Sure they are. The NYT, WashPo, NBC all have done so repeatedly over the years!
They're used to being re-tweeted or whatever - the lies and the conspiracies - thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of times by Musk and other right wing whackjobs.
Hell, just do like 'fox news' and classify themselves as entertainment...
OMG, are you still believing that long-debunked nonsense?
LMAO!!!
You can expand that to "Most" aren't used to seeing their own media outlets retract misinformation. it usually takes a multi-million dollar defamation lawsuit...
That's because most are run by lying liberal fucktards! It takes a Lawsuit by Sandman to make Most retract their lying BS.
What's even more hysterical it's in response to a comment about lying and misinformation. Priceless!
Ever notice it is mostly the ones decrying misinformation that supply so much of it?
Proving Reagan right still.
There is actually no oversight or any over 'cable news' or any accreditation over.
Well, no shit.
Which made your comment all the more bizarre.
The same folks likely are the ones who claimed Fox News was banned in Canada, too!
What won't they fall for?
So this is all some conspiracy theory? Do you think it was a gay lover like Musk promoted on Twitter?
Republicans Fed Cycle of Misinformation About Pelosi Attack
"Joe Biden lost no time blaming ultra-mega-semi-fascist-MAGA Donald Trump supporters for the strange attack on Paul Pelosi in his San Francisco home early Friday.
Barack Obama did the same , using a rally in Michigan for failed Gov. Gretchen Whitmer to rail against “politicians who work to stir up division to try to make us angry and afraid of one another for their own advantage.”
So did Hillary Clinton, who tweeted: “The Republican Party and its mouthpieces now regularly spread hate and deranged conspiracy theories. It is shocking, but not surprising, that violence is the result.”
So did Kamala Harris, demanding people “speak out against hate.”
So did every other Democratic surrogate, like Hollywood director Rob Reiner, who tweeted: “Donald Trump is 100% responsible for this and Jan.6.”
So did all the Democrat-aligned media who delivered the same talking points in unison, along with dubiously sourced facts and a false depiction of the alleged attacker as a MAGA Republican in defiance of his drug-addicted hippy lifestyle , Green Party membership and the BLM and LGBT signs festooned across his sometime residence, a nudist commune in San Francisco’s gay Castro distric
It was a full-court press designed to flip the attack on the House speaker’s husband into an “October surprise” as Dems look down the barrel of a brutal shellacking from the voters next week.
It was their last desperate effort — because they have nothing else, apart from abortion — to smear their political opponents as violent “insurrectionists” and election “deniers” who are a threat to democracy.
For Biden and pals, everything is Trump’s fault, laughably even inflation, crime and the wide-open southern border.
Although San Francisco police made a point of saying that they don’t know the motive of the alleged attacker, David DePape, who was arrested at 2:30 a.m., reportedly in his underwear, at the Pelosi family home, that didn’t stop the president linking the attack to Jan. 6 less than 24 hours later.
During a speech in Pennsylvania on Friday night, Biden claimed DePape asked , “‘Where’s Nancy?’ — the same chant was used by this guy that they have in custody that was used on January 6, the attack on the US Capitol.”
The president repeated his theory to reporters the next day: “You can’t condemn the violence unless you condemn those people who continue to argue the election was not real, that it’s been stolen, all the malarkey that’s being put out there to undermine democracy … This talk produces the violence … the talk has to stop.”
Problem is, Democrats have been trying to “stop the talk” since Trump came on the scene, with limited success, but a lot of violations of the First Amendment.
So far, they’ve coopted Big Tech to censor speech they don’t like or stories politically damaging to Democratic candidates. They’ve harnessed the FBI to bury inconvenient evidence like Hunter Biden’s laptop, and harass people committing wrongthink, like parents at school board meetings, or Christian pro-lifer Mark Houck, raided by a SWAT team in front of his seven children.
But they have not succeeded in changing hearts and minds.
If anything, the heavy-handed, quasi-Stasi repression has had the opposite effect, red-pilling independents and even some Democrats — as the upcoming red tsunami at the midterms should show.
A case in point is the hilarious focus group MSNBC staged last week in Pennsylvania to try to show Trump voters as misinformed cult members. It backfired big-time.
Media bias exposed
The focus group members pushed back on the media double standard when it comes to downplaying months of deadly riots before the 2020 election.
“Except on a much smaller scale, [the Jan. 6 riot ] looked the same as the Black Lives Matter riots,” said one.
They fact-checked the reporter, rebutting every Jan. 6 propaganda point: No cops were killed, there was zero evidence that people were “throwing excrement at the walls” and yes, Speaker Pelosi did have the “authority” to authorize the National Guard to back up the undermanned Capitol Police that day — as did her then-Senate Republican counterpart, Mitch McConnell — and they failed to do so, despite repeated requests from Police Chief Steve Sund, a mystery yet to be addressed.
“Our administration, I feel like, is using [Jan.6] as their Reichstag fire,” said one of the focus group voters.
Kaboom.
It was a stunning dismantling of the left-wing media narrative about Jan. 6, delivered respectfully by resolute and unrepentant Trump voters who were far more informed than the brainwashed reporter trying to expose them as bitter “clingers” and “chumps” for Morning Joe to laugh at.
You've lost the argument with the enlarged font and the bolding - your denial, projections, and deflections, don't make the conspiracy ignorance true.
They're all correct Vic - Obama, Biden, Harris, Clinton
It is those on the 'right' who are WRONG AS USUAL.
Breaking down 21 of the elected officials, candidates and other prominent figures who spread misinformation or cast doubt on the attack on Paul Pelosi. (NYT)
And certain posters keep reposting the misinformation and the conspiracy theories.
Well, the attacker was a Canadian. Biden could gather support for the midterms if he were to declare war and invade Canada in retaliation. Of course, the last time Americans invaded Canada they were defeated, but that was a couple hundred years ago.
The Canadians can't take credit for that. That was the Brits!
There were Canadian born fighters among them, and don't tell me the First Nation fighters were Brits - they were more Canadian than I am. I may have been born in Canada but I am the son of immigrants.
No, it was the Canadians, Metis, and a number of First Nations including the Odawa, Ojibwe, Pawnee, Kickapoo, and the Potawatomi led by Tecumseh and there were tribes involved in the eastern flank like the Mohawk, but most of the battles were fought in the Great Lakes area and surrounding lands.
Of course, the Brits were also involved but at that time the majority of their forces were fighting the Americans and of course the French and Bonaparte elsewhere.
Gichi-mookomaanaki gwayakwaajimowin
At the time Canada was a British Colony. You got 5 votes for having it wrong.
Nowhere did I say it wasn't a British Colony did I, Vic.
As usual, you cherry-pick my comment. Here is the complete comment.
That is a true statement and you're wrong. Nice try but no cigar for you.
I got five votes up from people that seem to know a lot more about the War of 1812 than you do.
Indigenous contributions to the War of 1812
And you always get one from your little buddy, no matter what.
P.S. Kav is never wrong.
Yes, but there's a lot we don't know for sure - a lot that's been conflicting and/or muddied.
I've read several reports stating that Nancy Pelosi was one of several prominent people on DePape's hit list, but none of them specify the names or political associations of his targeted victims. True/False? Nobody knows.
Perhaps he isn't a native born Canadian citizen but a naturalized citizen? Perhaps he was born in a country that the US considers a state sponsor of terrorism, i.e., Syria, Iran, Cuba? True/False? Nobody knows.
Good points.
Maybe he was born on Mars and is Elon Musk's twin brother.
Thank you, Buzz. Since so many details are missing, I'm simply viewing this with an open mind until if/when we know more. We also must remember that CA is a "sanctuary state" and San Francisco is a "sanctuary city". Criminal illegal aliens are released on a daily basis without having to pay bail. However, DePape is being held without a bail option . Why is the alleged assault on Paul Pelosi more important than the hundreds of people who have been assaulted and/or died at the hands of other criminal illegal aliens? Seems like a hypocritical "justice system" to me.
Today, I came across more information about DePape:
Rather than mock open-minded people, you might want to do your own research. If not, please read the link in comment 3.2.3 . It shows my research.
I dont give a damn if he came from Canada.
I care what his motivation was and the "evidence" suggest his motivation was political. As my "research" revealed his boss says he was influenced by right wing extremism.
What "evidence"?
Have you brought this to the police? I've always suspected the hammer was right-handed. My wife said DePape was heard humming, "I'd rather be a hammer than a nail", too.
Maybe the same sort of invisible "evidence" Adam Schiff said he's had?
Mentally ill.
The evidence where Depapes boss was interviewed by a tv station and he says Depape went down a rabbitt hole of right wing conspiracies.
Exactly, Frank Ciccarelli said that when he first met David DePape, he was homeless and living under a tree in Berkeley’s Aquatic Park and politically liberal.
Then he changed gradually changed rabbit holes.
They say that happened to a number of people who became enamored of Trump. The operative word in your comment being "changed".
Who is they? Are they talking about former liberals who became enamored of Trump?
No.
He's a right wing whack job regardless of where he's from.
Open minded? LOL!
All the stuff that the 'right' has been ignoring/deflecting/projecting about this right wing whackjob.
Tess, please explain to me what you think is wrong with what Jasper said that I replied to.
His boss also said there were signs of mental illness. Recently, he said, DePape started talking about building a physical home for an imaginary fairy. An imaginary fairy John.
Naturally you left that part out. Which is why no thinking person takes your comments like this serious. Since they are so often just that disingenuous.
he's a Q wacko, IOW a trumpster, just like the neo-nazis, white supremacists, and thumpers are...
If you can't explain it, why did you say it?
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And you just chastised John for mocking people
tsk tsk tsk
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Over time, I've seen here that those are words that you live by.
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Buzz, if the US chose to take Canada- the US military wouldn't have time to burp and the war would already be over.
We don't want Canada. Most Americans can't stand hockey. There are already too many teams in the NFL; and joining the USFL would be the death nell for Canadian football. We would need translators to understand the majority of Canadians. We would need to outlaw the use of the word "eh"; it was used up on the movie "Strange Brew" and gives us a headache.
Besides Brandon would never attack a fellow Fascist leader in Canada.
Of course. There is a line in a Canadian poem "And leave our defence to the Yankees."
I agree. Canadians are not at all as devoted to football as Americans are. Canada is "Hockey Nation", although I got more attached to baseball when the Blue Jays came to town.
Surely only the ones who only speak French, and Newfies. We say "eh" and you say 'huh". The Fonz exaggerated our "eh" to "aayyyy" and that's okay?
You've got the "fascist" thing backward. It's a ridiculous joke that you can call liberals fascists and socialists at the same time. And, LOL, Trudeau is a Liberal, as was his father (but Justin's not anywhere near what his father was, IMO the best PM Canada ever had during my lifetime). I voted Conservative in both Provincial and Federal elections for the last 4 decades
Ridiculous.
Biden would never attack his buddy, little lord Fauntleroy.
I may never agree with you otherwise, but I agree with you on that. It was merely a suggestion - Biden bringing a war he could win in a day to bolster the Democrats' chances at the midterms.
JR implied that the NBC reporter got it wrong.
So where is the part where NBC sets the record straight?
It's been over 24 hours, so I'm not very hopeful that NBC will scrape up any journalistic integrity.
It's on the internet, of course.
NBC News pulls report on Paul Pelosi attack
Somebody should stop you with a time-out for spreading lies.
It's also in the article above. The same thing.
Somebody should stop you with a time-out for spreading lies.
The only liars I know of are the people claiming the attack was politically motivated.
Go ahead and say it. What exactly are you implying? A conspiracy?
GTFOOH...
By whom?
By NBC. It's a common place problem in the news industry.
Well, it is your article. So, what's up? Spell it out for everyone...
Can you answer my questions?
The window glass was outside the house.
No security camera videos released. Same for cops bloody cams.
Weird behavior on Pelosi's part. Why?
Logic would suggest a cover up.
BS. it was an exterior door, looked like double doors. Break the glass to access the door lock,
Can't wait for the trial? Why would the prosecutors share prejudicial information that would taint the jury pool?
He's 82, woken up by a stranger in the house at 2:30AM and senses that the intruder is crazy. Who knows what DePape told him prior to the Police arrival? What is normal behavior?
He DID dial 911. Was that weird or normal?
Logic would dictate waiting for the facts instead of guessing.
Let's see the film. You know the one that was supposed to be monitored in real time and speaking of time how about we all see the time when the glass was broken and by whom.
Can't wait for the trial?
Will Nancy let this go to trial?
He's 82, woken up by a stranger in the house at 2:30AM and senses that the intruder is crazy. Who knows what DePape told him prior to the Police arrival? What is normal behavior?
You are doing a lot of speculating. Let's just see the films.
He DID dial 911. Was that weird or normal?
Over an intruder or a meeting gone wrong? We can all speculate can't we. Let's just see the films.
Logic would dictate waiting for the facts instead of guessing.
But we aren't ever going to have the facts, are we?
NBC reported that Paul Pelosi told cops David was his friend and everything was fine. Paul was a friend of Ed Buck's, one would have a hard time believing that all is what it seems. Not being a Democrat hack I am confident in saying that likely Paul was engaged in sexual activities with David and things got out of hand. Someone forgot their safe word and well they both got hammered.
The entire home is on cctv, release the footage and disprove what most people believe. Nancy was away and Paul was getting some dick.
Any chance we can get you to stop polluting this forum with your trolling?
Fish trolling.
Probably.
Hateful ignorance is what it is. Why is that shit allowed to stay up?
Given what we presently know, you sound more like a conservative than an independent. Most of us independents wait for the facts.
Even if that was the truth (which of course no one knows), you are trying to victimize the victim. No one wants to be bludgeoned by a hammer.
Liberal spoofs. Conservative spoofs.
Who can keep track?
Maybe Newstalkers needs a satire group.
Good luck with that group.
You will need to monitor it constantly and have to inform people what satire is almost every article.
I find it odd that pretending to believe and traffic in conservative nonsense is frowned upon more on this website than sincerely believing and trafficking in it.
I have no earthly idea what you are trying to say in relation to my post.
You know that is not a bad idea.
But in this case, no facts are coming and certain independents along with every progressive here seem to like it that way. What makes him a Conservative?
Even if that was the truth (which of course no one knows), you are trying to victimize the victim.
Nobody would do that if Paul and Nancy would simply be transparent.
No one wants to be bludgeoned by a hammer.
What does that mean?
I hope you don't mean like they had on that old forum, where like minded people would congregate and toss insults at public figures?
You mean like you do about Biden, Harris, AOC and Pelosi?
You know exactly what I mean.
What is the spoof? He is pretending to be something in order to berate it. Spoofs are usually obvious and done lightheartedly. That is not what is going on in this case.
Fair enough.
You're giving credence to this gay lover hateful ignorance conspiracy.
Which everyone should agree...is nothing. Curious, we saw video of the Uvalde shooter before any sort of trial, right? I can think of a myriad of situations where footage was released. Why not here? High profile case? Afraid of tainting the jury? Jury is tainted already. According to the news, the "accused" broke in and bludgeoned Pelosi with a hammer. WTF are we waiting for? Hang the guy already...he did it. Why wait for a trial?
To those claiming this is a conspiracy theory, that the jury shouldn't be tainted by the release of any footage, that Pelosi is a victim of some wild conservative hippy from Canada...I ask this. What would the release of 5 seconds of body cam footage hurt? What would it hurt to release the video of when and how they 1st entered and were 1st greeted?
As an aside, it is entirely in the realm of reason, logic, and possibility that the cool and calm 911 call was made and Pelosi thought the cops could get there and dispose of any "threat," and they did arrive, but the Canadian hippy hit him with a hammer upon realizing that Pelosi called the cops. You don't need to go down a conspiracy rabbit hole to get there. Crazy fuckers don't care if the cops are present or not. There doesn't have to be a conspiracy. The silence and dodgy actions are what adds oxygen to this.
So you buy the conspiracy bullshit. What a shocker.
Nowhere in my comment did I say I buy it. What a shocker that you, of all people who spout stupid assed shit on this site, would be the one to put those words in my mouth.
Canadian hippy? It was a right wing whackjob.
Silence and dodgy actions?
Has the SFPD refuted this?
Paul Pelosi answered the door, said there wasn't a problem. This is kind of a problem based on the narrative that was originally portrayed. Why hide the truth, release the cctv. The entire house is on camera.
I suspect Paul and his friend were engaged in sex acts and something went wrong. I could care less if Paul likes a visit from a Rooster on occasion. I think it would actually be beneficial to tell the truth here. I think supporters of Nancy would appreciate it. It's not like it's her husband is the only one that likes to chub the rooster when the hen is away.
I also can't help but notice how fast this story disappeared after NBC pulled their article. Whoops, time to move on, Paul is fine, nothing to see here.
I suspect you think of these these types of scenarios often, or should I say fantasize.
I imagine Mr. Pelosi is still hospitalized after having his skull fractured by a trumpster MAGAT right wing whack job.
Quite an imagination since he was released and went home last Thursday..........................
Whatever.
I'm not the one with quite the imagination here. You agree I see with IL's fantasies.
I see DOTW has the same fantasies as well.
If you "see" that you may want to visit your eye doctor...........couldn't be farther from the truth. Only thing I agree with, and laugh at, is the part where NBC had to pull their story.
In NBC’s defense they have been broadcasting unsubstantiated rumors from unverifiable sources for years now. This reporter was just following there past protocols.
Excellent point.
Whatever floats your boat . . . you can agree with his fantasies all you like