Israel-Iran latest: Iran launches barrage of missiles at Israel - BBC News
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Were ballistic missiles used in Iran's attack?published at 20:42 British Summer Time20:42 BST
By Bianca Britton
BBC Verify has been speaking with military experts to understand which type of missiles were used in Iran's attack on Israel.
Patrick Senft, a research coordinator at the intelligence consultancy firm Armament Research Services (ARES), tells BBC Verify that fragments suggested that ballistic missiles had been used in the attack.
Ballistic missiles reach their targets faster than common cruise missiles, he adds, and "make up the majority of the Iranian long-range strike capabilities".
Dr Thomas Karako, the director of the Missile Defense Project at the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), is also confident that ballistic missiles were used.
His colleague, Mark Cancian, a senior adviser at CSIS says that the difference between today's attack compared with Iran's attack in April is that "more missiles seem to be hitting Israel".
He adds that ballistic missiles are harder to intercept by missile defence systems "because of their higher speed".
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Seriously, what does anyone expect? The implication of the post is that Gazans are wrong to cheer for missiles falling on Israel, and that may be a fair point.
But a decimated people, including children , cheering for revenge on the country that has killed 40,000 + Palestinians in Gaza doesnt seem as inexplicable as the video poster might think.
The Iranian leaders are criminals and fanatics, and Israel should be entirely a sympathetic figure. But its not, not entirely. Why?
They were cheering, dancing in the streets and passing out candy on 7 and 8 Oct 24 before those 40,000 (including Hamas) were killed.
Right on, Drinker. One might think that the attitude of Americans about the response of the Gazans' celebrating Oct 7 2023 and Oct 24 2024 just MIGHT be a little similar to how Americans may have felt about the Palestinians dancing and sharing candies in the streets in their celebrations of 9/11.
My attitude goes back to raising oil prices starting in 1970s.
This time, Iran is going to pay, from the sound of it.
Israel to Conduct Widespread Airstrikes Across the Middle East in Response to Iran Missile Attack (townhall.com)
I wish they were a way for Israel to take out Iran's uranium enrichment facilities to prevent a bomb from being made. That would be a meaningful retaliation that would benefit the rest of the world.
After Israel aided Iran by destroying Saddam Hussein's nuclear reactor (Operation Opera) in 1981, the Iranians realized that all their nuclear facilities might be similarly vulnerable. So they built them deep underground.
That's a problem, but where else is there such a high level of ingenuity.
Actually both Israel and iran do not want a full scale war. In this recent attack on Israel, Iran really had to do it to prove they were still very anti-Israel, and to continue their leadership role in the anti-israel group. But IMO they really didn't want to do much damage to Israel or to provoke Israel too much.
If more missiles had been able to evade Israel's and the US Navy's defensive measures there could have been a lot more damage and probably casualties. Israel is promising a greater retaliation, but we'll see what happens.
Israel may or may not take their time doing anything in order to do so at times and places of Israel's choosing to get Iran off guard.
Yes, keeping them scared for a while, a sort of psychological punishment.
Many Americans are unaware of it, but there was a long deadly war of Iran vs Iraq
The Iran–Iraq War , also known as the First Gulf War , [ f ] was an armed conflict between Iran and Iraq that lasted from September 1980 to August 1988. Active hostilities began with the Iraqi invasion of Iran and lasted for nearly eight years, until the acceptance of United Nations Security Council Resolution 598 by both sides.
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The implication of the post is that Gazans are wrong to cheer for missiles falling on Israel, and that may be a fair point.
I don't think the post implied that at all.
Rather, I think you inferred that from the post.
The Iranian leaders are criminals and fanatics, and Israel should be entirely a sympathetic figure.
To better put this into perspective, its useful to know some history:
After the establishment of the State of Israel in May 1948, Israel and Iran maintained close ties.
Iran was the second Muslim-majority country to recognize Israel [ as a sovereign state after Turkey . [ Israel viewed Iran as a natural ally as a non-Arab power on the edge of the Arab world , in accordance with David Ben Gurion's concept of an alliance of the periphery .
Israel had a permanent delegation in Tehran which served as a de facto embassy , before Ambassadors were exchanged in the late 1970s
But then the revolution happened, and things changed.
I am in no way denigrating the loss of innocents in Gaza, but the world has only Hamas' word that 40,000 have died and the validity of anything terrorists say is always highly suspect. Hard to verify a number like that.
As well, the media makes a huge thing about how many children and women victims there were in order to build anti-Israel and antisemitic attitudes, but how many times have you heard or read how many militants were killed? How many times do they make the point that the real reason for the deaths of the "innocents" is because they are used by Hamas as human shields and hide among them. Even the Nazis and the Japanese didn't do that, but Hezbollah does it as well - probably trained to do that by Iran.
In addition, Hamas and Hetzbollah casualties are deliberately mixed in with the civilian casulties by Hamas and Hetzbollah themselves.
There are members here that STILL blame Israel for the civilian deaths because of "indiscriminate bombing" when Israel has done more than any nation in history to warn and give a little time for civilians to vacate the targets and their bombings are specifically targeted to where the terrorists are KNOWN to be hiding.
Why hasnt Israel won the war yet? Certainly it is not because of military setbacks.
Netanyahu doesnt want to end the war in Gaza, thats why.
You are correct, there are some here that fall under the category of none so blind as those who will not see.
That's quite a conspiracy theory.
I'll answer your question with a question. Why hasn't Hamas surrendered yet when only a complete fool can't see that their defeat is inevitable? It would instantly end the conflict, release the hostages, end the Hamas support from Hezbollah, the Houthies, and the others who have joined in to support Hamas, and prevent a wider conflict. I know why. It's because Hamas has won its intended psychological propaganda war as it was trained by Iran to do, that has sucked in all the terrorist supporters and weak-minded people of the world. AND ANOTHER REASON is that Hamas will fight to the last militant. The Koran tells them to do it, tells them to kill the Jews, and their Imams tell them The Day of Judgment will not come until they fight and kill the Jews. I've posted proof of that already and will do it again if needed. After all, if one is guaranteed to be provided with 72 virgins to deflower and enjoy for all eternity in The Garden of Allah, why would they give up?
its common knowledge
In addition, there's the widespread belief that if a Muslim dies defending Islam, they go to an amazing paradise.
Most really do believe this...and of course the definition of "defending Islam" is pretty broad.
How would you define "winning" in terms of the Gaza conflict?
Or in the conflicct between Hizb'allah and Israel?
Is the HAMAS wing of the democrat party celebrating this on college campuses?
I'm sure plans for a celebration are ongoing as we speak. Probably will have a member of the squad or two be special spakers....maybe give a eulogy to the dead Hezbollah leader.
I expect Tlaib to shoot her bigoted mouth off followed by Omar.
Nasty things …. Both.
Both? Try all of the so called "Squad"!
Fair enough
There may be one exception. At first it was subtle, but I have noticed that AOC seems to be becoming more "moderate" (or at least trying to give that impression). I'm not sure why.
Moderate is not a word I would/could honestly associate with AOC.
I suppose the media was not available to do a video of the reaction in Rashida Tlaib's office.
She was probably purposely out of town.
Actually she made her feelings known outside her office as well-- the Palestinian flag has been hanging outside her office for several months.
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Tlaib just outside of her office. The flag on the right is the "Palestinian" flag.
Now is the time for Israel to do something serious about Ayatollah Khamenei. I'm sure the Iranian people would rejoice if he and his thugs are gone.
They have excellent intelligence and likely know where he's at, at any given moment
I know most sane Americans would not care if he was taken [out][✘]
I think the whole regime could fall if they do that. What a coup for the world that would be.
Might as well call him mole man now …
The problem is not just the Ayatollah, it's Iran's ultra-fundamentalist government, and the Revolutionary Guard is a concern. The best thing that could happen is another Iranian revolution, this time by the more modern-thinking population.
But what concerns me is this....
Until today I thought that the common Iranian people were more civilized, but on the news this morning I saw them cheering the strike on Israel.
I'm not surprised that some were cheering that. But there are also many Iranians who hate their rulers....and some are very "pro-Israel".
I have also seen Iranians (outside of Iran) waving the real iranian flag and also waving the Israeli flag.
Many Iranians love their country but hate their repressive government.
Iranian women before the Revolution:
Today those Iranian women would be thrown in jail. While most of the world is advancing, Iran is regressing.
In today's world many Iranian women are regularly thrown in jail wherethey are tortured and raped. For opposing the repressive government in many ways-- such as not wearing a headscarf-- or even for not wearing it properly.
Normally we'd be much more aware of that in the West-- and progressvive womens' rights groups would protest. But a lot of them don't because they are afraid that if they demonstrate against the repressive Iranian regime they will be labeled "Islamophobic".
Many young Iranians were motivated to protest by the d eath of Mahsa Amini.:
Amini's death resulted in a series of protests described by CNN as more widespread than the protests in 2009 , 2017 , and 2019 , [ 12 ] and by The New York Times as the largest Iranian protests since at least 2009
(Buzz I was going to post the Wikipedia article linked above but realized you can't view that so if your'e interested use your search engine. (Its a significant story for anyone interested in major current events in Iran)....for more on what's going on inside Iran, search for "Women, Life, Freedom".
Yes, that was a very good example of how primitive and fundamentalist the Iranian leadership is.
I'd guess that was a very small percentage of the Iranian populace participating and probably under some form of duress at that. The vast majority of Iran's populace do not like their government very much.
Yes, it could have been.
Obviously the Iranian leaders forgot both biden and Harris have said "DON'T " several times.
Obviously the Iranian leaders forgot both biden and Harris have said "DON'T " several times.
And let's not forget what they said about Israel's taking out Nasrallah:
Biden and Harris call the Israeli strike killing Hezbollah’s Nasrallah a 'measure of justice'
REHOBOTH BEACH, Del. -- The Israeli strike that killed Hezbollah’s Hassan Nasrallah was a “measure of justice" for victims of a four-decade “reign of terror,” President Joe Biden said Saturday.
The comments came after Lebanon’s Hezbollah group confirmed earlier Saturday that Nasrallah, one of the group’s founders, was killed in an Israeli airstrike in Beirut the previous day.
Biden noted that the operation to take out Nasrallah took place in the broader context of the conflict that began with Hamas’ massacre of Israelis on Oct. 7, 2023.
“Nasrallah, the next day, made the fateful decision to join hands with Hamas and open what he called a ‘northern front’ against Israel,” Biden said in a statement.
He also noted that Hezbollah under Nasrallah’s watch has been responsible for the deaths of thousands of Americans, Israelis and Lebanese.
Another thing Iran conveniently ignores is that Nasrallah was not taken out in Iran by Israel but in another country and are claiming they want revenge and justice when nothing landed on Iranian soil. Iran launches 100 ballistic missiles into Israel and whines when Israel says they will retaliate? Iran is freaking insane!
And never forget that Iran is dedicated to obliterating "The Little Satan", and if they can do that, an attempt to do the same to "The Big Satan" would not be far behind. Never forget that America is not invulnerable, because both Japan and the pilots on 9/11 proved it wasn't. If Iran succeeds in making nuclear bombs, then through its proxies or other anti-American terrorists, if not by itself, I would be concerned that at least "The Sum of All Fears" could actually happen.
Iran is trying to do two things at once-- which are contradictory:
1. Give the appearance of strongly retaliating against Israel by firing all those missiles. (They have to do this or else they lose support from many in the region).
2. But OTOH they can't act too strongly against Israel to that point that Israel feels they must retaliate more strongly (i.e. by launching a direct attack on Iran itself).
You can better understand much of Iran's motive by answering a key question-- after Iran fired all those missiles at Israel (seemingly attempting to overwhelm Israel's missile defenses)...
Here's the question:
How many Israelis were killed in that huge horrific attack?
Yep, kind of like that stern finger Obama used to point. Not much attention was paid to that either.
The actual U.S. position:
US backs Israel's operations in Lebanon despite risk of expanding conflict
We do ultimately want to see a ceasefire and diplomatic resolution, but we do think it's appropriate that Israel, at this point, is bringing terrorists to justice," Miller said.
The United States has continued to provide Israel with arms despite tensions during the past year over the conduct of its war in Gaza, which started when Palestinian Hamas militants attacked southern Israel on Oct. 7, 2023.
Also, let us not forget Obama's red line in the sand that ultimately turned out to be more of a water color red line painted on a surfline.