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Israel-Iran latest: Iran launches barrage of missiles at Israel - BBC News

  
Via:  John Russell  •  3 months ago  •  61 comments

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Israel-Iran latest: Iran launches barrage of missiles at Israel - BBC News
Iran's attack appears to be over after air raid sirens earlier sounded across Israel and civilians were told to shelter.

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Were ballistic missiles used in Iran's attack?published at 20:42 British Summer Time20:42 BST


By Bianca Britton

BBC Verify has been speaking with military experts to understand which type of missiles were used in Iran's attack on Israel.

Patrick Senft, a research coordinator at the intelligence consultancy firm Armament Research Services (ARES), tells BBC Verify that fragments suggested that ballistic missiles had been used in the attack.

Ballistic missiles reach their targets faster than common cruise missiles, he adds, and "make up the majority of the Iranian long-range strike capabilities".

Dr Thomas Karako, the director of the Missile Defense Project at the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), is also confident that ballistic missiles were used.

His colleague, Mark Cancian, a senior adviser at CSIS says that the difference between today's attack compared with Iran's attack in April is that "more missiles seem to be hitting Israel".

He adds that ballistic missiles are harder to intercept by missile defence systems "because of their higher speed".


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JohnRussell
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1  seeder  JohnRussell    3 months ago
Celebrations in Gaza after Iran’s response and the massive strike on Israel.

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Seriously, what does anyone expect?  The implication of the post is that Gazans are wrong to cheer for missiles falling on Israel, and that may be a fair point. 

But a decimated people, including children , cheering for revenge on the country that has killed 40,000 + Palestinians in Gaza doesnt seem as inexplicable as the video poster might think. 

The Iranian leaders are criminals and fanatics, and Israel should be entirely a sympathetic figure. But its not, not entirely. Why?  

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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1.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @1    3 months ago
But a decimated people, including children , cheering for revenge on the country that has killed 40,000 + Palestinians in Gaza doesnt seem as inexplicable as the video poster might think. 

They were cheering, dancing in the streets and passing out candy on 7 and 8 Oct 24 before those 40,000 (including Hamas) were killed.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.1.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @1.1    3 months ago

Right on, Drinker.  One might think that the attitude of Americans about the response of the Gazans' celebrating Oct 7 2023 and Oct 24 2024 just MIGHT be a little similar to how Americans may have felt about the Palestinians dancing and sharing candies in the streets in their celebrations of 9/11. 

 
 
 
charger 383
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1.1.2  charger 383  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.1.1    3 months ago

My attitude goes back to raising oil prices starting in 1970s. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.2  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @1    3 months ago
 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.2.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Greg Jones @1.2    3 months ago

I wish they were a way for Israel to take out Iran's uranium enrichment facilities to prevent a bomb from being made.  That would be a meaningful retaliation that would benefit the rest of the world. 

 
 
 
Krishna
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1.2.2  Krishna  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.2.1    3 months ago
I wish they were a way for Israel to take out Iran's uranium enrichment facilities to prevent a bomb from being made.  That would be a meaningful retaliation that would benefit the rest of the world. 

After Israel aided Iran by destroying  Saddam Hussein's nuclear reactor (Operation Opera) in 1981, the Iranians realized that all their nuclear facilities might be similarly vulnerable. So they built them deep underground. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.2.3  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna @1.2.2    3 months ago

That's a problem, but where else is there such a high level of ingenuity.

 
 
 
Krishna
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1.2.4  Krishna  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.2.3    3 months ago
That's a problem, but where else is there such a high level of ingenuity.

Actually both Israel and iran do not want a full scale war. In this recent attack on Israel, Iran really had to do it to prove they were still very anti-Israel, and to continue their leadership role in the anti-israel group. But IMO they really didn't want to do much damage to Israel or to provoke Israel too much.

 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.2.5  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna @1.2.4    3 months ago

If more missiles had been able to evade Israel's and the US Navy's defensive measures there could have been a lot more damage and probably casualties.  Israel is promising a greater retaliation, but we'll see what happens. 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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1.2.6  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.2.5    3 months ago

Israel may or may not take their time doing anything in order to do so at times and places of Israel's choosing to get Iran off guard.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.2.7  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.2.6    3 months ago

Yes, keeping them scared for a while, a sort of psychological punishment.

 
 
 
Krishna
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1.2.8  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @1.2.2    3 months ago
After Israel aided Iran by destroying  Saddam Hussein's nuclear reactor

Many Americans are unaware of it, but there was a long deadly war of Iran vs Iraq

The  Iran–Iraq War , also known as the  First Gulf War , [ f ]  was an armed conflict between  Iran  and  Iraq  that lasted from September 1980 to August 1988. Active hostilities began with the  Iraqi invasion of Iran  and lasted for nearly eight years, until the acceptance of  United Nations Security Council Resolution 598  by both sides.

(Link)

 
 
 
Krishna
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1.4  Krishna  replied to  JohnRussell @1    3 months ago

The implication of the post is that Gazans are wrong to cheer for missiles falling on Israel, and that may be a fair point.

I don't think the post implied that at all.

Rather, I think you inferred that from the post.

 
 
 
Krishna
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1.5  Krishna  replied to  JohnRussell @1    3 months ago

The Iranian leaders are criminals and fanatics, and Israel should be entirely a sympathetic figure.

To better put this into perspective, its useful to know some history:

After the  establishment of the State of Israel  in May 1948, Israel and Iran maintained close ties.

Iran was the second Muslim-majority country to recognize Israel [ as a sovereign state after  Turkey . [  Israel viewed Iran as a natural ally as a non-Arab power on the edge of the  Arab world , in accordance with David Ben Gurion's concept of an  alliance of the periphery

Israel had a permanent delegation in Tehran which served as a de facto   embassy , before Ambassadors were exchanged in the late 1970s

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.5.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna @1.5    3 months ago

But then the revolution happened, and things changed. 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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1.6  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  JohnRussell @1    3 months ago

I am in no way denigrating the loss of innocents in Gaza, but the world has only Hamas' word that 40,000 have died and the validity of anything terrorists say is always highly suspect. Hard to verify a number like that.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.6.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.6    3 months ago

As well, the media makes a huge thing about how many children and women victims there were in order to build anti-Israel and antisemitic attitudes, but how many times have you heard or read how many militants were killed?  How many times do they make the point that the real reason for the deaths of the "innocents" is because they are used by Hamas as human shields and hide among them.  Even the Nazis and the Japanese didn't do that, but Hezbollah does it as well - probably trained to do that by Iran. 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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1.6.2  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.6.1    3 months ago

In addition, Hamas and Hetzbollah casualties are deliberately mixed in with the civilian casulties by Hamas and Hetzbollah themselves.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.6.3  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.6.2    3 months ago

There are members here that STILL blame Israel for the civilian deaths because of "indiscriminate bombing" when Israel has done more than any nation in history to warn and give a little time for civilians to vacate the targets and their bombings are specifically targeted to where the terrorists are KNOWN to be hiding.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.6.4  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.6.1    3 months ago

Why hasnt Israel won the war yet?  Certainly it is not because of military setbacks. 

Netanyahu doesnt want to end the war in Gaza, thats why. 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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1.6.5  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.6.3    3 months ago

You are correct, there are some here that fall under the category of none so blind as  those who will not see.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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1.6.6  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @1.6.4    3 months ago
Netanyahu doesnt want to end the war in Gaza, thats why. 

That's quite a conspiracy theory. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.6.7  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  JohnRussell @1.6.4    3 months ago
"Why hasnt Israel won the war yet?"

I'll answer your question with a question.  Why hasn't Hamas surrendered yet when only a complete fool can't see that their defeat is inevitable?  It would instantly end the conflict, release the hostages, end the Hamas support from Hezbollah, the Houthies, and the others who have joined in to support Hamas, and prevent a wider conflict.  I know why.  It's because Hamas has won its intended psychological propaganda war as it was trained by Iran to do, that has sucked in all the terrorist supporters and weak-minded people of the world.  AND ANOTHER REASON is that Hamas will fight to the last militant.  The Koran tells them to do it, tells them to kill the Jews, and their Imams tell them The Day of Judgment will not come until they fight and kill the Jews.  I've posted proof of that already and will do it again if needed.  After all, if one is guaranteed to be provided with 72 virgins to deflower and enjoy for all eternity in The Garden of Allah, why would they give up?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.6.8  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.6.6    3 months ago

its common knowledge

 
 
 
Krishna
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1.6.9  Krishna  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.6.1    3 months ago
How many times do they make the point that the real reason for the deaths of the "innocents" is because they are used by Hamas as human shields and hide among them

In addition, there's the widespread belief that if a Muslim dies defending Islam, they go to an amazing paradise. 

Most really do believe this...and of course the definition of "defending Islam" is pretty broad.

 
 
 
Krishna
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1.6.10  Krishna  replied to  JohnRussell @1.6.4    3 months ago
Why hasnt Israel won the war yet? 

How would you define "winning" in terms of the Gaza conflict?

Or in the conflicct between Hizb'allah and Israel?

 
 
 
George
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2  George    3 months ago

Is the HAMAS wing of the democrat party celebrating this on college campuses?

 
 
 
bugsy
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2.1  bugsy  replied to  George @2    3 months ago

I'm sure plans for a celebration are ongoing as we speak. Probably will have a member of the squad or two be special spakers....maybe give a eulogy to the dead Hezbollah leader. 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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2.1.1  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  bugsy @2.1    3 months ago

I expect Tlaib to shoot her bigoted mouth off followed by Omar.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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2.1.2  Sparty On  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @2.1.1    3 months ago

Nasty things …. Both.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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2.1.3  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Sparty On @2.1.2    3 months ago

Both? Try all of the so called "Squad"!

 
 
 
Sparty On
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2.1.4  Sparty On  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @2.1.3    3 months ago

Fair enough

 
 
 
Krishna
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2.1.5  Krishna  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @2.1.3    3 months ago
Both? Try all of the so called "Squad"!

There may be one exception. At first it was subtle, but I have noticed that AOC seems to be becoming more "moderate" (or at least trying to give that impression). I'm not sure why.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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2.1.6  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Krishna @2.1.5    3 months ago

Moderate is not a word I would/could honestly associate with AOC.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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2.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  George @2    3 months ago

I suppose the media was not available to do a video of the reaction in Rashida Tlaib's office. 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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2.2.1  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.2    3 months ago

She was probably purposely out of town.

 
 
 
Krishna
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2.2.2  Krishna  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.2    3 months ago
I suppose the media was not available to do a video of the reaction in Rashida Tlaib's office. 

Actually she made her feelings known outside her office as well-- the Palestinian flag has been hanging outside her office for several months.

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Tlaib just outside of her office. The flag on the right is the "Palestinian" flag.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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3  Greg Jones    3 months ago

Now is the time for Israel to do something serious about Ayatollah Khamenei. I'm sure the Iranian people would rejoice if he and his thugs are gone.

They have excellent intelligence and likely know where he's at, at any given moment

 
 
 
bugsy
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3.1  bugsy  replied to  Greg Jones @3    3 months ago

I know most sane Americans would not care if he was taken [out][]

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  Greg Jones @3    3 months ago

I think the whole regime could fall if they do that. What a coup for the world that would be.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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3.3  Sparty On  replied to  Greg Jones @3    3 months ago
Ayatollah Khamenei

Might as well call him mole man now …

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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3.4  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Greg Jones @3    3 months ago

The problem is not just the Ayatollah, it's Iran's ultra-fundamentalist government, and the Revolutionary Guard is a concern.   The best thing that could happen is another Iranian revolution, this time by the more modern-thinking population.  

But what concerns me is this....

China and Iran  have vowed to step up  defence  cooperation, including more military drills, as the two countries move closer together under growing pressure from the United States.
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Buzz of the Orient
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3.5  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Greg Jones @3    3 months ago

Until today I thought that the common Iranian people were more civilized, but on the news this morning I saw them cheering the strike on Israel.  

 
 
 
Krishna
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3.5.1  Krishna  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.5    3 months ago
Until today I thought that the common Iranian people were more civilized, but on the news this morning I saw them cheering the strike on Israel.

I'm not surprised that some were cheering that. But there are also many Iranians who hate their rulers....and some are very "pro-Israel".

I have also seen Iranians (outside of Iran) waving the real iranian flag and also waving the Israeli flag.

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Many Iranians love their country but hate their repressive government.

 
 
 
Krishna
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3.5.2  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @3.5.1    3 months ago
Many Iranians love their country but hate their repressive government.

Iranian women before the Revolution:

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Buzz of the Orient
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3.5.3  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna @3.5.2    3 months ago

Today those Iranian women would be thrown in jail.  While most of the world is advancing, Iran is regressing.  

 
 
 
Krishna
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3.5.4  Krishna  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.5.3    3 months ago
Today those Iranian women would be thrown in jail.

In today's world many Iranian women are regularly thrown in jail wherethey are tortured and raped. For opposing the repressive government in many ways-- such as not wearing a headscarf-- or even for not wearing it properly.

Normally we'd be much more aware of that in the West-- and progressvive womens' rights groups would protest.  But a lot of them don't because they are afraid that if they demonstrate against the repressive Iranian regime they will be labeled "Islamophobic".

 
 
 
Krishna
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3.5.5  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @3.5.4    3 months ago
In today's world many Iranian women are regularly thrown in jail wherethey are tortured and raped. For opposing the repressive government in many ways-- such as not wearing a headscarf-- or even for not wearing it properly.

Many young Iranians were motivated to protest by the d eath of Mahsa Amini.:

Amini's death resulted in  a series of protests  described by  CNN  as more widespread than the protests in  2009 2017 , and  2019 , [ 12 ]  and by  The New York Times  as the largest Iranian protests since at least 2009

(Buzz I was going to post the Wikipedia article linked above but realized you can't view that so if your'e interested use your search engine. (Its a significant story for anyone interested in major current events in Iran)....for more on what's going on inside Iran, search for "Women, Life, Freedom".

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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3.5.6  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna @3.5.5    3 months ago
"Many young Iranians were motivated to protest by the death of Mahsa Amini.:"

Yes, that was a very good example of how primitive and fundamentalist the Iranian leadership is.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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3.5.7  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.5    3 months ago

I'd guess that was a very small percentage of the Iranian populace participating and probably under some form of duress at that. The vast majority of Iran's populace do not like their government very much.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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3.5.8  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @3.5.7    3 months ago

Yes, it could have been.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4  Right Down the Center    3 months ago

Obviously the Iranian leaders forgot both biden and Harris have said "DON'T " several times.

 
 
 
Krishna
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4.1  Krishna  replied to  Right Down the Center @4    3 months ago

Obviously the Iranian leaders forgot both biden and Harris have said "DON'T " several times.

And let's not forget what they said about Israel's taking out Nasrallah:

Biden and Harris call the Israeli strike killing Hezbollah’s Nasrallah a 'measure of justice'

REHOBOTH BEACH, Del. --    The Israeli strike that killed Hezbollah’s      Hassan Nasrallah       was a “measure of justice" for victims of a four-decade “reign of terror,” President Joe Biden said Saturday.

The comments came after Lebanon’s Hezbollah group      confirmed earlier Saturday      that Nasrallah, one of the group’s founders, was killed in an Israeli airstrike in Beirut the previous day.

Biden noted that the operation to take out Nasrallah took place in the broader context of the conflict that began with Hamas’ massacre of Israelis on Oct. 7, 2023.

“Nasrallah, the next day, made the fateful decision to join hands with Hamas and open what he called a ‘northern front’ against Israel,” Biden said in a statement.

He also noted that Hezbollah under Nasrallah’s watch has been responsible for the deaths of thousands of Americans, Israelis and Lebanese.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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4.1.1  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Krishna @4.1    3 months ago

Another thing Iran conveniently ignores is that Nasrallah was not taken out in Iran by Israel but in another country and are claiming they want revenge and justice when nothing landed on Iranian soil. Iran launches 100 ballistic missiles into Israel and whines when Israel says they will retaliate? Iran is freaking insane!

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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4.1.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @4.1.1    3 months ago

And never forget that Iran is dedicated to obliterating "The Little Satan", and if they can do that, an attempt to do the same to "The Big Satan" would not be far behind.  Never forget that America is not invulnerable, because both Japan and the pilots on 9/11 proved it wasn't.  If Iran succeeds in making nuclear bombs, then through its proxies or other anti-American terrorists, if not by itself, I would be concerned that at least "The Sum of All Fears" could actually happen. 

 
 
 
Krishna
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4.1.3  Krishna  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4.1.2    3 months ago
And never forget that Iran is dedicated to obliterating "The Little Satan", and if they can do that, an attempt to do the same to "The Big Satan" would not be far behind.

Iran is trying to do two things at once-- which are contradictory:

1. Give the appearance of strongly retaliating against Israel by firing all those missiles. (They have to do this or else they lose support from many in the region). 

2. But OTOH they can't act too strongly against Israel to that point that Israel feels they must retaliate more strongly (i.e. by launching a direct attack on Iran itself).

 
 
 
Krishna
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4.1.4  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @4.1.3    3 months ago
Iran is trying to do two things at once-- which are contradictory:

1. Give the appearance of strongly retaliating against Israel by firing all those missiles. (They have to do this or else they lose support from many in the region). 

2. But OTOH they can't act too strongly against Israel to that point that Israel feels they must retaliate more strongly (i.e. by launching a direct attack on Iran itself).

You can better understand much of Iran's motive by answering a key question-- after Iran fired all those missiles at Israel (seemingly attempting to overwhelm Israel's missile defenses)...

Here's the question: 

How many Israelis were killed in that huge horrific attack?

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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4.2  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Right Down the Center @4    3 months ago

Yep, kind of like that stern finger Obama used to point. Not much attention was paid to that either.

 
 
 
Krishna
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4.2.1  Krishna  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @4.2    3 months ago
Yep, kind of like that stern finger Obama used to point.

The actual U.S. position:

US backs Israel's operations in Lebanon despite risk of expanding conflict

We do ultimately want to see a ceasefire and diplomatic resolution, but we do think it's appropriate that Israel, at this point, is bringing terrorists to justice," Miller said.

The United States has continued to provide Israel with arms despite tensions during the past year over the conduct of its war in Gaza, which started when Palestinian Hamas militants attacked southern Israel on Oct. 7, 2023.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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4.2.2  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Krishna @4.2.1    3 months ago

Also, let us not forget Obama's red line in the sand that ultimately turned out to be more of a water color red line painted on a surfline.

 
 

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