Abortion

  
By:  al Jizzerror  •  3 weeks ago  •  608 comments


Abortion
Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers.

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al Jizzerror
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1  author  al Jizzerror    3 weeks ago

jrSmiley_93_smiley_image.jpg     George Carlin.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1  devangelical  replied to  al Jizzerror @1    3 weeks ago

poor trumpsters are all upset about the breach of the confidential and private deliberations of the federalist SCOTUS, after that same court creates an opinion to remove those same rights from every woman in america.

 
 
 
Veronica
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1.1.1  Veronica  replied to  devangelical @1.1    3 weeks ago

Privacy for all - unless you have a vagina - then the government and your conservative, church-going neighbors want all up in there.....

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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1.1.2  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  Veronica @1.1.1    3 weeks ago

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al Jizzerror
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1.1.3  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  devangelical @1.1    3 weeks ago

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Kavika
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2  Kavika     3 weeks ago

Carlin hit the nail on the head.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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2.1  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  Kavika @2    3 weeks ago

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Tessylo
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3  Tessylo    3 weeks ago

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Kavika
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4  Kavika     3 weeks ago

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al Jizzerror
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4.1  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  Kavika @4    3 weeks ago

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Tessylo
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5  Tessylo    3 weeks ago

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devangelical
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5.1  devangelical  replied to  Tessylo @5    3 weeks ago

I've had it with the self righteous hypocrites and I truly feel sorry for the next fucking thumper stupid enough to knock on my door.

 
 
 
arkpdx
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5.2  arkpdx  replied to  Tessylo @5    3 weeks ago
I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born.  

Ronald Reagan

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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5.2.1  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  arkpdx @5.2    3 weeks ago
I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born. 

I've noticed that everyone who is against abortion has already been born. - al Jizzerror

 
 
 
bbl-1
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5.2.2  bbl-1  replied to  arkpdx @5.2    2 weeks ago

Sure.  And he also said trees cause pollution and gave us Supply Side Economics.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.2.3  Tessylo  replied to  bbl-1 @5.2.2    2 weeks ago

And said ketchup was a vegetable and wasn't he the start of embracing those fucking whackjob evangelicals?  The immoral majority?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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5.2.4  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  bbl-1 @5.2.2    2 weeks ago

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Drinker of the Wry
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5.2.5  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Tessylo @5.2.3    2 weeks ago

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Drinker of the Wry
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5.2.6  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @5.2.5    2 weeks ago

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bbl-1
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5.2.7  bbl-1  replied to  Tessylo @5.2.3    2 weeks ago

And also wanted to know why making hamburgers was not classified as 'industrial production'.

I also remember Sen. Barry Goldwater saying that he wanted to kick the evangelical grifters in the nuts. 

 
 
 
devangelical
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5.2.8  devangelical  replied to  bbl-1 @5.2.7    2 weeks ago

he foresaw what damage the evangelical cult would do to the GOP.

 
 
 
bbl-1
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5.2.9  bbl-1  replied to  devangelical @5.2.8    2 weeks ago

The evangelicals might be the GOPERS destiny but they sure as hell should not be ours.

 
 
 
Gordy327
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5.2.10  Gordy327  replied to  Tessylo @5.2.3    2 weeks ago

I think that's when this country started its decline. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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5.2.11  XXJefferson51  replied to  arkpdx @5.2    2 weeks ago

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XXJefferson51
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5.2.12  XXJefferson51  replied to  bbl-1 @5.2.2    2 weeks ago

Supply side economics are correct economics.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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5.2.13  XXJefferson51  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @5.2.6    2 weeks ago

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al Jizzerror
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5.2.14  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.2.12    2 weeks ago
Supply side economics are correct economics.

Ronald Reagan said he would balance the budget by 1983.  He set a record for the highest deficit in history with his "trickle down BS".  

Then daddy Bush broke Reagan's record for the highest deficit in history.  

Clinton raised taxes and set a record for the highest surpluses in history.  

Then five members of SCOTUS selected GW Bush (who also trickled down on us).  DuhBya broke his dad's record for the highest deficit in history and gave us the Great Recession.

Supply side economics has always failed.

 
 
 
arkpdx
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5.2.15  arkpdx  replied to  al Jizzerror @5.2.14    2 weeks ago
Then five members of SCOTUS selected GW Bush

Bush won the 2000 election and the majority of the Florida vote and the electoral college vote. He was not selected. 

BTW Bush v. Gore was a 7-2  for Bush. 

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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5.2.16  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  arkpdx @5.2.15    2 weeks ago
Bush won the 2000 election and the majority of the Florida vote

The recount was stopped by SCOTUS.

In a per curiam decision , the Court first ruled 7–2 (Justices Stevens and Ruth Bader Ginsburg dissenting), strictly on equal protection grounds, that the recount be stopped. Specifically, the use of different standards of counting in different counties violated the Equal Protection Clause of the U.S. Constitution ; the case had also been argued on the basis of Article II jurisdictional grounds, which found favor with only Justices Scalia, Clarence Thomas , and William Rehnquist . Second, the Court ruled 5–4 against the remedy, proposed by Justices Stephen Breyer and David Souter , of sending the case back to Florida to complete the recount using a uniform statewide standard before the scheduled December 18 meeting of Florida's electors in Tallahassee,

Florida newspapers sued to get access to the ballots so they could perform an independent recount.

Bush wins, Gore wins -- depending on how ballots are added up

    • Ballot design was a key factor. Although the Florida fiasco initially focused on the "butterfly ballot" for punch cards in Palm Beach County, the voters' error rate was even higher in some counties that used more modern optical scanning systems but had equally confusing ballots. Most of the errors occurred in 18 counties where ballots spread the presidential candidates across two pages or two columns.

  • Hand recounts can be reliable, but only if the rules are clear. The researchers who examined the ballots agreed on the marks they saw more than 97 percent of the time. The disagreements came mostly when they were asked to judge whether a voter who failed to punch a clear hole in a ballot had left a "dimple," an indentation on the card.

  • Some Florida counties handled their ballots so carelessly after election night that county officials could not say with any certainty which ballots had been counted and which had not.

But in counties that use ballots counted by optical scanners, a manual recount often can determine which mark shows the voter's intent, because many voters explain their intentions on the ballot form. Some circle the name of the candidate they meant to vote for; others write the candidate's name on the ballot; others attempt to erase a mark they made in error.

The study found that Florida's uncounted optical scan ballots included as many as 3,527 such potentially valid votes. If those votes had been counted, Gore would have gained 2,206 votes and Bush 1,321 -- a swing of 885 votes for Gore.

 
 
 
pat wilson
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5.2.17  pat wilson  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.2.13    2 weeks ago

Can you tell me what those points were ? They seem to have been deleted two days ago. I didn't get to read them, what did they say ?

 
 
 
devangelical
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5.2.18  devangelical  replied to  pat wilson @5.2.17    2 weeks ago

nothing of any substance.

 
 
 
bbl-1
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5.2.19  bbl-1  replied to  arkpdx @5.2.15    2 weeks ago

No.  It was 7-2 to stop counting the vote.  Bush was ahead by 537 votes at that point.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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5.2.20  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  bbl-1 @5.2.19    2 weeks ago
In a per curiam decision , the Court first ruled 7–2 (Justices Stevens and Ruth Bader Ginsburg dissenting), strictly on equal protection grounds, that the recount be stopped. Specifically, the use of different standards of counting in different counties violated the Equal Protection Clause of the U.S. Constitution ; the case had also been argued on the basis of Article II jurisdictional grounds, which found favor with only Justices Scalia, Clarence Thomas , and William Rehnquist . Second, the Court ruled 5–4 against the remedy, proposed by Justices Stephen Breyer and David Souter , of sending the case back to Florida to complete the recount using a uniform statewide standard before the scheduled December 18 meeting of Florida's electors in Tallahassee

 
 
 
bbl-1
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5.2.21  bbl-1  replied to  al Jizzerror @5.2.20    2 weeks ago

Yes.  The pair of appeals you mentioned are accurate.

 
 
 
arkpdx
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6  arkpdx    3 weeks ago
Simple morality dictates that unless and until someone can prove the unborn human is not alive, we must give it the benefit of the doubt and assume it is (alive). And, thus, it should be entitled to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness 

Ronald Reagan, a truly wise and intelligent man. 

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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6.1  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  arkpdx @6    3 weeks ago
Simple morality dictates that unless and until someone can prove the unborn human is not alive, we must give it the benefit of the doubt and assume it is (alive). And, thus, it should be entitled to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness 

Simple morality dictates that unless and until someone can prove the unborn is alive we must NOT give it the benefit of doubt and we must assume it is NOT yet alive.  And, thus, it should NOT be entitled to life, livery and the pursuit of happiness until live birth has been acheived.  - al Jizzerror

 
 
 
arkpdx
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6.1.1  arkpdx  replied to  al Jizzerror @6.1    3 weeks ago

The Reagan quote from my comment is true and intelligent and accurate. 

Your comment with the changes you made is not true, is not intelligent nor is it accurate. Quite the opposite really. 

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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6.1.2  sandy-2021492  replied to  al Jizzerror @6.1    2 weeks ago

Whether it's alive is irrelevant.  I'm alive.  Have been for years.  I have no right to demand the use of another person's organs or tissues - not even those of dead people.  We don't mandate organ donation even by those who have died, but forcing pregnancy mandates allowing the use of a living person's organs and tissues by another.  Forcing pregnancy gives dead people more rights than living women.

 
 
 
arkpdx
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6.1.3  arkpdx  replied to  al Jizzerror @6.1    2 weeks ago

Looks like your wrong again. 

 
 
 
Hallux
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6.1.4  Hallux  replied to  arkpdx @6.1.1    2 weeks ago

Here's a hint, "livery".

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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6.1.5  cobaltblue  replied to  arkpdx @6.1.3    2 weeks ago
Looks like your wrong again.

Looks like YOU'RE wrong again, arkie. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
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6.1.6  Split Personality  replied to  Hallux @6.1.4    2 weeks ago

I always wondered why "they"/"we" called it husbandry?

Because the men always made the decisions on which cows or horses got to breed and which were aborted or lost their balls?

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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6.1.7  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  Split Personality @6.1.6    2 weeks ago

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XXJefferson51
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6.1.8  XXJefferson51  replied to  al Jizzerror @6.1    2 weeks ago

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mocowgirl
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6.1.9  mocowgirl  replied to  XXJefferson51 @6.1.8    2 weeks ago
Life begins at conception.  

If your supreme being is in charge of guiding the one sperm in a million to the one egg released monthly, then it is the biggest abortion provider in existence.

Spontaneous abortion in humans - RationalWiki

A common  fundamentalist  argument against  abortion  is that each human being is granted a  soul  at the moment of conception, and that destroying that "soul" is equivalent to murder. Taking this logic further, the argument is that most methods of  birth control  are equivalent to mass murder with the exception of condoms or other barrier types.

However, there's some serious problems with the logic of ensoulation at the point of conception. The CDC as well as the March of Dimes and several fertility experts have conducted studies to see exactly how hard it is to carry a pregnancy to term. In general, less than 70% of all fertilized eggs will even implant into the mother's womb causing pregnancy to continue   [2] . From there, there is a 25-50% chance of aborting before you even know you are pregnant. If, however, you make it to your first month, your odds go up to 75% chance of carrying to term. So if you look at it from the fundamentalist point of view, all those little souls are being given a home, only to be miscarried before they even know they are alive.

Scientific research has compiled the following information about the rates of naturally aborted pregnancies in human beings (or, if you believe everything happens for a reason, pregnancies aborted by God himself).

This chart assumes that 200 eggs are in an environment with sperm nearby. [3]
 
 
 
Lucifer Morningstar
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6.1.10  Lucifer Morningstar  replied to  al Jizzerror @6.1    2 weeks ago

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al Jizzerror
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6.1.11  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  Lucifer Morningstar @6.1.10    2 weeks ago
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Oh Hell!

 
 
 
devangelical
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6.1.12  devangelical  replied to  al Jizzerror @6.1.11    2 weeks ago

this group attracts trolls.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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6.1.13  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  devangelical @6.1.12    2 weeks ago

Maybe it's our magnetic personalities.

The trolls must love us.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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6.1.14  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  al Jizzerror @6.1.13    2 weeks ago
Maybe it's our magnetic personalities.

I missed yours when NV folded.  I'm glad to see you here and I now see that cobaltblue is back.

 
 
 
devangelical
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6.1.15  devangelical  replied to  al Jizzerror @6.1.13    2 weeks ago

you hook'em and I'll clean'em...

 
 
 
Lucifer Morningstar
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6.1.16  Lucifer Morningstar  replied to  Lucifer Morningstar @6.1.10    2 weeks ago

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devangelical
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6.1.17  devangelical  replied to  Lucifer Morningstar @6.1.16    2 weeks ago

*poof* - there went your evidence...

 
 
 
bbl-1
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6.1.18  bbl-1  replied to  devangelical @6.1.12    2 weeks ago

Ya think?  lol

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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6.1.19  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @6.1.14    2 weeks ago
I'm glad to see you here and I now see that cobaltblue is back.

Thanx!  Butt it's Cobalt who has the magnetic personality.

I've been stuck on her since we co-founded ButtHeads Nation on NV in 2013.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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6.1.20  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  Lucifer Morningstar @6.1.16    2 weeks ago
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Deleted again?

That's Hell!

After Sally hijacked Buttheads Nation, Cobalt and I founded SiN Nation on NV.

We never censored anyone in those Nations.

 
 
 
devangelical
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6.1.21  devangelical  replied to  al Jizzerror @6.1.19    one week ago
I've been stuck on her

oh yeah...

 
 
 
Tessylo
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6.2  Tessylo  replied to  arkpdx @6    3 weeks ago

Those aren't actually his words.  Written by a speech writer.

Actually more like an actor reading from a script

Not wise or intelligent

 
 
 
arkpdx
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6.2.1  arkpdx  replied to  Tessylo @6.2    3 weeks ago

Certainly wiser and more intelligent than the jackass that we are stuck with as president now. 

 
 
 
arkpdx
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6.2.2  arkpdx  replied to  Tessylo @6.2    3 weeks ago

Reagan never needed an Easter Bunny to keep him from saying anything

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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6.2.3  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  arkpdx @6.2.1    2 weeks ago

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Split Personality
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6.2.4  Split Personality  replied to  Tessylo @6.2    2 weeks ago

Peggy Noonan, 

 
 
 
Split Personality
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6.2.5  Split Personality  replied to  arkpdx @6.2.2    2 weeks ago

Shit happens and biased people will see what fits their agenda.

The previous President stated that Frederick Douglas is an example of someone who is getting things done and getting more and more recognitionfor it.

Mr. Trumpcouldn't remember the name,or pronounce the name of the serviceman whose wife he called to "comfort".

The five year Trump list will probably outlive most 2 term Presidents.

 
 
 
devangelical
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6.2.6  devangelical  replied to  arkpdx @6.2.1    2 weeks ago
Certainly wiser and more intelligent than the jackass that we are stuck with as president now. 

.. at least the jackass can spell.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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6.3  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  arkpdx @6    3 weeks ago

If you are opposed to abortion; don't get one.

 
 
 
arkpdx
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6.3.1  arkpdx  replied to  al Jizzerror @6.3    3 weeks ago

I believe in the sanctity of human life and do not support the wanton killing of innocence human life.  The unborn babies are are just that and they are being killed because they are inconvenient. Well too bad. The mother's should have thought of that before crawling in the sack. 

 
 
 
arkpdx
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6.3.2  arkpdx  replied to  al Jizzerror @6.3    3 weeks ago

It is sort of like bearing arms (which by the way is actually is a Good given right stated in the Constitution). If you don't like want a gun don't buy one.

BTW abortion is not an enumerated right stated in the Constitution. 

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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6.3.3  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  arkpdx @6.3.2    3 weeks ago
If you don't like want a gun don't buy one.

WTF does that have to do with abortion?

Why are you deflecting?

The topic here is women's rights, not moron's rights.

512

 
 
 
devangelical
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6.3.4  devangelical  replied to  arkpdx @6.3.2    3 weeks ago
BTW abortion is not an enumerated right stated in the Constitution. 

4th and 14th amendment say different.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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6.3.5  Sean Treacy  replied to  devangelical @6.3.4    3 weeks ago

4th and 14th amendment say different.

Do you know what an enumerated right is? 

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the Court doesn't claim the right to abortion exists in the 4th amendment. 

 
 
 
arkpdx
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6.3.6  arkpdx  replied to  devangelical @6.3.4    2 weeks ago

No they don't. If you think otherwise show me the exact passage where it is stated. 

 
 
 
Hallux
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6.3.7  Hallux  replied to  arkpdx @6.3.1    2 weeks ago
The mother's should have thought of that before crawling in the sack.

The 'creator' should have had the wisdom to make the man the sack. You would be whistling a different tune.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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6.3.8  Ozzwald  replied to  arkpdx @6.3.6    2 weeks ago
No they don't. If you think otherwise show me the exact passage where it is stated.

You feel the government should have complete control of your personal body?  Force you to unwillingly undergo a dangerous procedure?

 
 
 
arkpdx
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6.3.9  arkpdx  replied to  Ozzwald @6.3.8    2 weeks ago

I think the government should stop people from killing human babies just like the stop people from killing any other human being. 

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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6.3.10  sandy-2021492  replied to  arkpdx @6.3.2    2 weeks ago
BTW abortion is not an enumerated right stated in the Constitution.

Neither is your right to have me not go rifling through your medical records, looking for juicy gossip.  But that right is recognized and codified, all the same.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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6.3.11  Ozzwald  replied to  arkpdx @6.3.9    2 weeks ago
I think the government should stop people from killing human babies just like the stop people from killing any other human being.

They have, it's called murder.  Unfortunately for you, abortion does not pertain to "babies".

 
 
 
Veronica
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6.3.12  Veronica  replied to  Ozzwald @6.3.8    2 weeks ago

Forced living organ donations - that should be a thing.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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6.3.13  Ozzwald  replied to  Veronica @6.3.12    2 weeks ago

Forced living organ donations - that should be a thing.

Every Justice, Senator, and House Rep, who supports an abortion ban, should immediately donate any and all of their residences as orphanages.  And cover all costs therein.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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6.3.14  Ozzwald  replied to  sandy-2021492 @6.3.10    2 weeks ago
Neither is your right to have me not go rifling through your medical records, looking for juicy gossip.

Apparently the republican party feels it is just fine and dandy to be rifling a person's private medical records.  As long as that person is a female, at least.

 
 
 
arkpdx
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6.3.15  arkpdx  replied to  devangelical @6.3.4    2 weeks ago

Cite the passages

 
 
 
devangelical
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6.3.16  devangelical  replied to  arkpdx @6.3.15    2 weeks ago

google constitution.

 
 
 
arkpdx
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6.3.17  arkpdx  replied to  devangelical @6.3.16    2 weeks ago

I am not going to do your work. You made the comment now you prove it

 
 
 
bbl-1
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6.3.18  bbl-1  replied to  arkpdx @6.3.17    2 weeks ago

Instead of demanding others to always prove their point, why not take a moment and prove yours?

 
 
 
devangelical
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6.3.19  devangelical  replied to  bbl-1 @6.3.18    2 weeks ago

he can't.

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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6.3.20  cobaltblue  replied to  Hallux @6.3.7    2 weeks ago
The 'creator' should have had the wisdom to make the man the sack. You would be whistling a different tune.

You couldn't be more correct. If men were the ones to bear children, there would be an abortion clinic in every JiffyLube, every QuikTrip, down the street from every strip joint in the nation. Isn't this the party of "it's my body so you cannot force me to wear a mask"? 

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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6.3.21  cobaltblue  replied to  arkpdx @6.3.17    2 weeks ago
I am not going to do your work.

Holy shit. I forget. There are some people for whom logic is not necessarily a part of their lives. Why don't you do what most people do. If one has a contradictory point to make, they counter with facts. The old "I'm not going to do your work" is nothing less than lazy and practically proof you don't know what you're talking about. 

 
 
 
arkpdx
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6.3.22  arkpdx  replied to  cobaltblue @6.3.21    2 weeks ago
The old "I'm not going to do your work" is nothing less than lazy and practically proof you don't know what you're talking about. 

I get that answer from the left all the time. When I have given proof or links to proof it is usually ignored and not looked at by liberals so why even bother. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
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6.3.23  Split Personality  replied to  arkpdx @6.3.2    2 weeks ago
BTW abortion is not an enumerated right stated in the Constitution.

Neither is interstate travel, the right to drive vehicles or fly planes,

produce electricity or conduct nuclear experiments.

The sanctity of life is a religious attitude, period.

If you were worried about the sanctity of all life, you would never eat again.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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6.3.24  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  cobaltblue @6.3.20    2 weeks ago
I think the government should stop people from killing human babies just like the stop people from killing any other human being.

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Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.3.25  Tessylo  replied to  Ozzwald @6.3.8    2 weeks ago
"You feel the government should have complete control of your personal body?  Force you to unwillingly undergo a dangerous procedure?"

Not HIS.  Only women.

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
6.3.26  Gordy327  replied to  arkpdx @6.3.9    2 weeks ago

There are already laws against killing babies. So job done.

 
 
 
Dulay
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6.3.27  Dulay  replied to  arkpdx @6.3.2    2 weeks ago
BTW abortion is not an enumerated right stated in the Constitution. 

Neither is life or liberty. 

Point? 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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6.3.28  XXJefferson51  replied to  Sean Treacy @6.3.5    2 weeks ago

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XXJefferson51
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6.3.29  XXJefferson51  replied to  Ozzwald @6.3.11    2 weeks ago

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XXJefferson51
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6.3.30  XXJefferson51  replied to  Veronica @6.3.12    2 weeks ago

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XXJefferson51
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6.3.31  XXJefferson51  replied to  Ozzwald @6.3.13    2 weeks ago

Repealing roe vs wade is not an abortion ban

 
 
 
Lucifer Morningstar
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6.3.32  Lucifer Morningstar  replied to  al Jizzerror @6.3    2 weeks ago

I am opposed to [deleted] but that  hasn’t stopped you.

 
 
 
devangelical
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6.3.33  devangelical  replied to  Lucifer Morningstar @6.3.32    2 weeks ago

trouble finding a lawyer?

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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6.3.34  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  Lucifer Morningstar @6.3.32    2 weeks ago
I am opposed to [ deleted ] but that  hasn’t stopped you.

I am opposed to deleting too.

That's why I never flag or delete any content.

How's the weather there?  I understand it's a dry heat down there.

512

 
 
 
devangelical
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6.3.35  devangelical  replied to  al Jizzerror @6.3.34    2 weeks ago

no moderation in heated discussions and you've already pulled off the biggest article there before. as a group mod here and in the reality show I must respond to flags that come in. plus, I really like deleting christo-fascist trolls. their reactions are usually quite amusing.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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6.3.36  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  devangelical @6.3.35    2 weeks ago

I'm writing an article for"Heated Dicksuction" right now.

With your help, and the help of the liberal NewsTalkers, I'm going to set a new record for participation.

We will have lots of fun bashing the White-wing knuckle dragging stalker/trolls who attempt to "own" us there.

 
 
 
devangelical
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6.3.37  devangelical  replied to  al Jizzerror @6.3.36    2 weeks ago

count me in. a lot more maga buttons available to push there. might be tough to beat the count on this seed though...

stop breaking NT. 

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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6.3.38  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  devangelical @6.3.37    2 weeks ago
tough to beat the count on this seed

I'll try to publish it tonight (actually, early AM tomorrow).

I'm just trying to beat the "count" of this article:  

512

That screen was taken when the article only had 89 comments.  The article eventually racked up 380 comments.

I'm told that's pretty good for Heated Discussions.

 
 
 
devangelical
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6.3.39  devangelical  replied to  al Jizzerror @6.3.38    2 weeks ago

duh. largest comment count I've ever seen there. perrie would know for sure.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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6.3.40  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  devangelical @6.3.39    2 weeks ago

There are two limitations on participation on articles published in Heated Discussions.

1.  Articles published there never get "promoted to the NT Front Page".

2.  People are required to join the group in order to post comments there.

 
 
 
devangelical
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6.3.41  devangelical  replied to  al Jizzerror @6.3.40    2 weeks ago

both true, but I'm confident those obstacles can be overcome with provocative subject matter.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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6.3.42  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  devangelical @6.3.41    2 weeks ago
provocative subject matter

I think I can provide something that will provoke the White-wing knuckle dragging stalker/trolls.

 
 
 
devangelical
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6.3.43  devangelical  replied to  al Jizzerror @6.3.42    2 weeks ago

they're all so fucking stupid, you'll be racing against the clock.

 
 
 
devangelical
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6.3.44  devangelical  replied to  al Jizzerror @6.3.36    one week ago
We will have lots of fun bashing the White-wing knuckle dragging stalker/trolls who attempt to "own" us there.

meh, they can't own the libs there, and what's even worse for them, they can't flag the libs there.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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6.3.45  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  devangelical @6.3.44    one week ago
they can't flag the libs there.

Not everyone enjoys waiving the flag as much as you do. 

 
 
 
devangelical
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6.3.46  devangelical  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @6.3.45    one week ago

rarely waive, but always act. care to see a few more examples?

 
 
 
devangelical
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6.4  devangelical  replied to  arkpdx @6    3 weeks ago
Ronald Reagan, a truly wise and intelligent man. 

he was a hollywood child molester that turned into a war criminal and drug trafficker.

 
 
 
bbl-1
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6.4.1  bbl-1  replied to  devangelical @6.4    2 weeks ago

He also gave arms, money and American honor to the Ayatollah in exchange for the hostages.

 
 
 
arkpdx
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6.4.2  arkpdx  replied to  bbl-1 @6.4.1    2 weeks ago

Prove it

 
 
 
bbl-1
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6.4.3  bbl-1  replied to  arkpdx @6.4.2    2 weeks ago

Prove it?  JFC.

You alright or not.  Just what it was, dude.

 
 
 
devangelical
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6.4.4  devangelical  replied to  bbl-1 @6.4.3    2 weeks ago

that bad howdy doody imitation also cut a deal with our enemy iran while he was a POTUS candidate to foul the hostage negotiations and the '80 election. I hope he's sharing a spit in hell with nixon while watching satan go balls deep in his wife nancy, the 40's hollywood abortion poster girl.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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6.4.5  Sean Treacy  replied to  devangelical @6.4.4    2 weeks ago
pe he's sharing a spit in hell with nixon while watching satan go balls deep in his wife nancy, the 40's hollywood abortion poster girl.

What a bizarre thing to fantasize about.  

Lots of issues there. 

 
 
 
devangelical
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6.4.6  devangelical  replied to  Sean Treacy @6.4.5    2 weeks ago

I'm a little rusty, what's that latin phrase that makes every mackerel snapper automatically drop to their knees?

 
 
 
MonsterMash
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6.4.7  MonsterMash  replied to  Sean Treacy @6.4.5    2 weeks ago

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Sean Treacy
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6.4.8  Sean Treacy  replied to  devangelical @6.4.6    2 weeks ago

 mackerel snapper

And the bigoted comment of the day goes to...

Can you communicate without using slurs? 

 
 
 
devangelical
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6.4.9  devangelical  replied to  Sean Treacy @6.4.8    2 weeks ago

can you?

 
 
 
arkpdx
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6.4.10  arkpdx  replied to  devangelical @6.4    2 weeks ago

Bill Clinton was a child molester and a rapist and a sexual predator. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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6.4.11  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @6.4.4    2 weeks ago

"that bad howdy doody imitation also cut a deal with our enemy iran while he was a POTUS candidate to foul the hostage negotiations and the '80 election. I hope he's sharing a spit in hell with nixon while watching satan go balls deep in his wife nancy, the 40's hollywood abortion poster girl."

The right's HERO!

What scum!

 
 
 
Tessylo
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6.4.12  Tessylo  replied to  bbl-1 @6.4.3    2 weeks ago
Stupid huh?  LOL!

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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6.4.13  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Tessylo @6.4.11    2 weeks ago

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Drinker of the Wry
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6.4.14  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @6.4.13    2 weeks ago

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bbl-1
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6.4.15  bbl-1  replied to  arkpdx @6.4.10    2 weeks ago

If you have the evidence report it.  If you don't you are as guilty as the perpetrator.

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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6.4.16  cobaltblue  replied to  bbl-1 @6.4.3    2 weeks ago
Prove it?  JFC. You alright or not.  Just what it was, dude.

Omigosh ... that made me laugh so fuckin' hard!

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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6.4.17  cobaltblue  replied to  arkpdx @6.4.10    2 weeks ago
Bill Clinton was a child molester and a rapist and a sexual predator.

You mean like Trump who wants to fuck Ivanka and has publicly stated so on a few occasions, who grabs pussies and boasts about it, and fucked a porn star with a pregnant wife (who also had girl-on-girl pix, easily found on the internet) at home? Oh. I see. Yeahhhh. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
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6.4.18  Split Personality  replied to  devangelical @6.4.9    2 weeks ago

Nope

 
 
 
Split Personality
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6.4.19  Split Personality  replied to  arkpdx @6.4.10    2 weeks ago

Some here already said "prove it"

Oh wait...it was you,

Please carry on with the bias, I hope it eventually gets lighter for you.

 
 
 
arkpdx
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6.4.20  arkpdx  replied to  cobaltblue @6.4.17    2 weeks ago

Gee why does Trump bother you so much yey Clinton got a pass and his transgressions are ignored?

 
 
 
arkpdx
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6.4.21  arkpdx  replied to  Split Personality @6.4.19    2 weeks ago

Yes I did and never got a response from any of them either but I did see you getting on them for it. 

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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6.4.22  cobaltblue  replied to  arkpdx @6.4.20    2 weeks ago
Gee why does Trump bother you so much yey Clinton got a pass and his transgressions are ignored?

Because you cannot prove your claims while Trump's transgressions are public record. Not to mention that you made a claim and I posed a like example that has been proven.  

 
 
 
arkpdx
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6.4.23  arkpdx  replied to  cobaltblue @6.4.22    2 weeks ago

Clinton's transgressions have been proven also. 

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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6.4.24  cobaltblue  replied to  arkpdx @6.4.23    2 weeks ago
Clinton's transgressions have been proven also.

You mean his friendship with Epstein?

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bbl-1
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6.4.25  bbl-1  replied to  cobaltblue @6.4.24    2 weeks ago

Occasionally, there are some whose only horizon is a 'stain on a blue dress'.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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6.4.26  XXJefferson51  replied to  cobaltblue @6.4.17    2 weeks ago

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bbl-1
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6.4.27  bbl-1  replied to  XXJefferson51 @6.4.26    2 weeks ago

TDS applies only to those that succumb to his brash evilness.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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6.4.28  XXJefferson51  replied to  bbl-1 @6.4.27    2 weeks ago

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XXJefferson51
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6.4.29  XXJefferson51  replied to  cobaltblue @6.4.24    2 weeks ago

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cobaltblue
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6.5  cobaltblue  replied to  arkpdx @6    2 weeks ago
Ronald Reagan, a truly wise and intelligent man.

You mean Nancy? Reagan began the decline into dementia into his second term. When Nancy held her seances, I'm sure it was because she thought it helped run the country. I liked him well enough for someone who was in decline. And I felt for Nancy. He failed in many areas. 

 
 
 
arkpdx
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6.5.1  arkpdx  replied to  cobaltblue @6.5    2 weeks ago
Reagan began the decline into dementia into his second term 

Biden is only in the first year of his first term and is already in dementia but that doesn't bother you? 

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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6.5.2  cobaltblue  replied to  arkpdx @6.5.1    2 weeks ago
first term and is already in dementia but that doesn't bother you? 

Oh please. That's a witty statement, arkie. Half-witty. Dim-witty. Nit-witty. It smells of desperation in here. 

Trump confused 9/11 with the convenience store '7/11'.  During his 2016 campaign, Trump confused the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks with the convenience store chain 7/11. Instead of describing al-Qaeda's attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon as 9/11, then-candidate Trump referred to them as "7/11."

At a rally in Buffalo, New York on April 18, 2016, Trump told the crowd, "I wrote this out, and it's very close to my heart. Because I was down there, and I watched our police and our firemen down at 7/11 — down at the World Trade Center right after it came down. And I saw the greatest people I've ever seen in action. I saw the bravest people I've ever seen."

Trump claimed there would be ' one million eight hundred and seventy thousand million tests' for coronavirus.  At a press conference in April, Trump seriously inflated the amount of testing for coronavirus that was taking place in the United States — where, he told reporters, Americans were getting "one million eight hundred and seventy thousand million tests."

Trump confused Dayton and Toledo after a mass shooting in Ohio.  On August 4, 2019, 24-year-old Connor Stephens Betts carried out a deadly mass shooting in Dayton, Ohio. And when Trump discussed the tragedy during a speech at the White House that week, he confused Dayton with another city in Ohio: Toledo.

Trump said, "May God bless the memory of those who perished in Toledo; may God protect them. May God protect all of those, from Texas to Ohio. May God bless the victims and their families. May God bless America." Trump's error was baffling at a traumatic time for the country.

Cite.

And then there's always forgetting whom you're stumping for:

[At] a rally in Nebraska  on Sunday, the most powerful voice in the party managed to forget the name of his chosen runner Vance before muddling the two bitter rivals and delivering a shout-out to 'J.D. Mandel' much to his audience's confusion. 

Yeah. Donnie has trumped Biden in the dementia department. Do you think Trump is just stupid or is he cognitively deficient? 

 
 
 
arkpdx
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6.5.3  arkpdx  replied to  cobaltblue @6.5.2    2 weeks ago

Trump didn't try to shake hands with air then stand there like he didn't know where he was. He never called on a paralyzed man to stand up to take a bow. He never had to have the Easter Bunny stop him from speaking. Trump never stated that troops were going to a foreign war zone after saying they wouldn't. Trump never followed  other countries like Biden has done for the entire Ukraine war. Biden has done his screw ups all within a time frame just over a year. How long did it take Trump to do what you claim he did. 

 
 
 
arkpdx
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6.5.4  arkpdx  replied to  cobaltblue @6.5.2    2 weeks ago

Oh and don't forget Obama said there were 57 states and he visited most of them. Was Obama stupid?

 
 
 
JBB
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6.5.5  JBB  replied to  arkpdx @6.5.1    2 weeks ago

You have got a lot to talk about, considering Biden is halfway through his SECOND YEAR!

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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6.5.6  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  cobaltblue @6.5.2    2 weeks ago

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al Jizzerror
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6.5.7  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  arkpdx @6.5.3    2 weeks ago
Trump didn't try to shake hands with air then stand there like he didn't know where he was.

You fell for it! 

Fox News edited that video of Biden to fool idiots who watch their bullshit.

Fox has been caught editing Biden content to make him look bad ever since Biden beat their favorite loser.

 
 
 
arkpdx
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6.5.8  arkpdx  replied to  JBB @6.5.5    2 weeks ago

Like that makes a difference. Biden is still an incompetent demented fool. 

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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6.5.9  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  arkpdx @6.5.8    2 weeks ago

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bbl-1
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6.5.10  bbl-1  replied to  cobaltblue @6.5.2    2 weeks ago

Note.  Even as Putin's vaunted army is proving to be not so vaunted and may well get its arse kicked back to 'ole Mother Russia', there are some that continue to further Putin 'talking points'.  Amazing, ain't it. 

 
 
 
bbl-1
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6.5.11  bbl-1  replied to  arkpdx @6.5.8    2 weeks ago

Name calling on a president that is leading the effort to diminish and possibly destroy an autocratic dictator that creates/causes so many problems and fear in the world may lead one to question---or at least ponder---your allegiance to this great nation, The United States of America.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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6.5.12  Sean Treacy  replied to  bbl-1 @6.5.11    2 weeks ago
Name calling on a president that is leading the effort to diminish and possibly destroy an autocratic dictator

Who's calling Zelenskyy names?

 
 
 
bbl-1
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6.5.13  bbl-1  replied to  Sean Treacy @6.5.12    2 weeks ago

I will get flagged----and proudly so----REMOVED

 
 
 
arkpdx
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6.5.14  arkpdx  replied to  bbl-1 @6.5.11    2 weeks ago

The biggest problem with Biden in that fight is that ge is not now nor has he ever led the fight. His "actions" have always come after other countries have acted first and half assed responses at that. 

 
 
 
arkpdx
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6.5.15  arkpdx  replied to  bbl-1 @6.5.11    2 weeks ago

Funny I did see the left stop call bush names when he was deposing Saddam Hussein. 

 
 
 
bbl-1
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6.5.16  bbl-1  replied to  arkpdx @6.5.14    2 weeks ago

Your statement is false.  The US has provided massive amounts of equipment and secured the logistics for other nations to also send their weapons and aid.

Whether Biden has led the fight or not, Ukraine without our support would not exist.  That is a fact.  In manpower and material Russia has massive capability.  And thus far Russia is losing.

Besides, from day one Biden said this is Ukraine's fight.  But he also said the US will stand with Ukraine.  And that we have done.

My only problem with Biden thus far in this war is THIS.   Why is it that the only foreign aircraft permitted to operate in Ukranian airspace is Russian?

 
 
 
bbl-1
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6.5.17  bbl-1  replied to  arkpdx @6.5.15    2 weeks ago

That is complete different topic.  And Iraq did not have WMD.  But they did have OIL.  Bush lied.  Powell lied.  They all lied.  And wars waged on lies and fraud never have favorable outcomes.  Took us 20 years to get out of that crap.  What do we have to show for it?

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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6.5.18  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  Sean Treacy @6.5.12    2 weeks ago
Who's calling Zelenskyy names?

Madison Cawthorn, a Retrumplican Congressman from North Cackalaky, called Zelensky a "thug".

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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6.5.19  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  bbl-1 @6.5.13    2 weeks ago

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Sometimes you just have to feed the troll.

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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6.5.20  cobaltblue  replied to  bbl-1 @6.5.13    2 weeks ago

I will get flagged----and proudly so----but you are an asshole.

Oh honey. Flags are like hangovers ... some are just worth it. Truth is truth no matter the phrasing. I applaud your clarity of thought. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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6.5.21  XXJefferson51  replied to  arkpdx @6.5.4    2 weeks ago

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XXJefferson51
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6.5.22  XXJefferson51  replied to  bbl-1 @6.5.13    2 weeks ago

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XXJefferson51
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6.5.23  XXJefferson51  replied to  arkpdx @6.5.1    2 weeks ago

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Perrie Halpern R.A.
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6.6  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  arkpdx @6    2 weeks ago

And he based that opinion on what? His degree in acting?

 
 
 
devangelical
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6.6.1  devangelical  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6.6    2 weeks ago

a ouija board session and seance with nancy.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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6.6.2  XXJefferson51  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6.6    2 weeks ago

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Freefaller
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7  Freefaller    2 weeks ago

Seems to me that now might be a good time to look into cross border abortion clinics and maybe companies that still produce those old style wire hangers

 
 
 
devangelical
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7.1  devangelical  replied to  Freefaller @7    2 weeks ago

a few months ago I consulted on a large out patient CO medical clinic placed to service OK and TX that was put into mothballs several years ago. it has fired up again and they're pouring concrete by the end of the month.

... and imagine the ticket I would have received if I had made that hanger comment.

 
 
 
mocowgirl
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7.2  mocowgirl  replied to  Freefaller @7    2 weeks ago
Seems to me that now might be a good time to look into cross border abortion clinics and maybe companies that still produce those old style wire hangers

There are many modern drugs that will terminate a pregnancy.  Most are widely prescribed for other conditions.  While it is preferable to have personal counseling by a medical profession, women will learn and adapt to protecting their mental and physical health like they have always done for thousands of years.

Allowing states to ban abortion will mostly adversely impact the impoverished who cannot afford to travel to get access to a medical professional who will legally prescribe the necessary medication.

 
 
 
charger 383
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7.2.1  charger 383  replied to  mocowgirl @7.2    2 weeks ago

home remedies will come back, more effective than in the old days.   And, with the internet knowledge will be shared.   

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
7.2.2  JBB  replied to  charger 383 @7.2.1    2 weeks ago

Yes, and those women and all those who assisted them including driving them to and from or nursed them in recovery will be criminals subject to prosecution.

We are going to need a lot more prisons!

 
 
 
charger 383
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7.2.3  charger 383  replied to  JBB @7.2.2    2 weeks ago

will be hard to prove

 
 
 
arkpdx
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7.2.4  arkpdx  replied to  mocowgirl @7.2    2 weeks ago
mostly adversely impact the impoverished 

So the poor killing babies is important for you. How about the cost of housing rising or the price of fuels or the cost of food or inflation in general. All of those impact the poor much more than wether or not they can murder babies. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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7.2.5  Sean Treacy  replied to  charger 383 @7.2.1    2 weeks ago

Or, you know, contraception. 

The abortion rate is already lower than it was before Roe.   It's shockingly easy to not become pregnant. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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7.2.6  Texan1211  replied to  JBB @7.2.2    2 weeks ago

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mocowgirl
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7.2.7  mocowgirl  replied to  charger 383 @7.2.1    2 weeks ago
And, with the internet knowledge will be shared.

That may not be permitted by the new Homeland Security's "Disinformation Board".  

Homeland Security's "Disinformation Board" is Even More Pernicious Than it Seems (substack.com)

This scam is the critical context   for understanding why the Biden Administration casually   announced last week   the creation of what it is calling a "Disinformation Board” inside the Department of Homeland Security (DHS). There is no conceivable circumstance in which a domestic law enforcement agency like DHS should be claiming the power to decree truth and falsity. Operatives in the U.S. Security State are not devoted to   combatting   disinformation. The opposite is true: they are trained, career liars tasked with concocting and spreading disinformation. As Politico's Jack Schafer   wrote :

Who among us thinks the government should add to its work list the job of determining what is true and what is disinformation? And who thinks the government is capable of telling the truth? Our government produces lies and disinformation at industrial scale and always has. It   overclassifies vital information   to block its own citizens from becoming any the wiser. It pays thousands of press aides to play hide the salami with facts….Making the federal government the official custodian of truth would be like Brink’s giving a safe-cracker a job driving an armored car.

I am really concerned that free speech in the US is in as much danger as abortion rights.

If the abortion rights are terminated, then rights to various forms of birth control, that prevent implantation of a fertilized egg, will be next.

It is difficult to believe that our species allows a man, who chose to be single and celibate for life, to have any authority on anyone's marriage and reproduction choices.

The world is getting stranger and more dangerous by the day as the US seems Hellbent to devolve instead of evolve.

 
 
 
mocowgirl
Professor Quiet
7.2.8  mocowgirl  replied to  arkpdx @7.2.4    2 weeks ago
So the poor killing babies is important for you.

ZERO babies are killed.

However, my mother died from a self-induced abortion in 1957 when I was an infant.

This issue is supremely personal to me while my mother's death had ZERO impact on the lives of the strangers who denied her access to a safe, legal abortion.

The people, who are more concerned about a clump of cells than the well-being of women, are psychopaths as far as I am concerned and should never ever be allowed to have access to women and children for any reason.  

What Is a Psychopath? (verywellmind.com)

What Is a Psychopath?

The term "psychopath" is used to describe someone who is callous, unemotional, and morally depraved.
 
 
 
arkpdx
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7.2.9  arkpdx  replied to  mocowgirl @7.2.8    2 weeks ago
ZERO babies are killed.

They certainly art puppies or kittens. The are definitely babies 

 
 
 
arkpdx
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7.2.10  arkpdx  replied to  mocowgirl @7.2.8    2 weeks ago

Your definition sounds more like those a are in favor of abortion. What is being killed in a callous and unemotional way by morally depraved people are human babies. They are not just a blob of cells. 

 
 
 
mocowgirl
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7.2.11  mocowgirl  replied to  arkpdx @7.2.10    2 weeks ago
They are not just a blob of cells. 

Yes, they are.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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7.2.12  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  arkpdx @7.2.10    2 weeks ago
Your definition sounds more like those a are in favor of abortion.

And you are antiabortion, so don't get an abortion.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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7.2.13  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  arkpdx @7.2.9    2 weeks ago
They certainly art puppies or kittens. The are definitely babies 

No. They are removing a group of cells that have the potential of becoming a baby. 

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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7.2.14  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  mocowgirl @7.2.8    2 weeks ago
However, my mother died from a self-induced abortion in 1957 when I was an infant.

That SUX!

In 1957 the leading cause of death for women of child bearing age was botched abortions.  Roe v Wade changed that. Now the right-wingers on SCOTUS are going to change it back to the way it used to be (in red states).

I support women's fundamental right to control their own bodies.

Alito and all those antiabortion idiots hate women.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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7.2.15  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7.2.13    2 weeks ago

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Perrie Halpern R.A.
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7.2.16  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  arkpdx @7.2.10    2 weeks ago

Yes they are a blob of cells at that point. At some point along the way, they become a baby.

I'm a mother of identical twins, a science teacher and a sex-ed teacher who taught abstinence, and a woman. I never had an abortion but I believe in protecting the rights of women who have to endure the process, alone. When you can carry a baby, maybe then you will have the right to tell us, women, what is going on with our bodies.

 
 
 
arkpdx
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7.2.17  arkpdx  replied to  mocowgirl @7.2.11    2 weeks ago

I have shown and have seen photos of 13 week developing babies and they definitely are not just a blob of cells.  If you call prove otherwise please slow them to me. 

 
 
 
arkpdx
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7.2.18  arkpdx  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7.2.16    2 weeks ago

They baby is not your body. It has a body all its own. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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7.2.19  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  arkpdx @7.2.17    2 weeks ago

512

 
 
 
arkpdx
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7.2.20  arkpdx  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7.2.19    2 weeks ago

Looks like it is more than a blob of cells to me how old is that one?  

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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7.2.21  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  arkpdx @7.2.18    2 weeks ago

It is not a baby. Not even pregnancy books refer to it as a baby. It is a fetus. And it needs my body to survive. It is not an independent entity. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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7.2.22  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  arkpdx @7.2.20    2 weeks ago

It is 12-13 weeks old. It has no brain, no nervous system, and feels nothing. 

 
 
 
arkpdx
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7.2.23  arkpdx  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7.2.21    2 weeks ago

A week old baby needs you for support also. Is it alright to kill it if it is an inconvenience?

 
 
 
mocowgirl
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7.2.24  mocowgirl  replied to  al Jizzerror @7.2.14    2 weeks ago
That SUX!

It really does. I am 65 years old and occasionally still feel the pain of the infant whose mother suddenly disappeared from her life.  I never want anyone to ever experience that kind of pain.

However, I know many people who have similar struggles and were raised by their birth parents.  Life is puzzling, tragic and euphoric, but rarely boring.

In 1957 the leading cause of death for women of child bearing age was botched abortions.

I am not surprised.  There was so much widespread poverty in the 50s.

In 1986, I worked for a man who was born in the 1930s in the Oklahoma.  When he was 12, his parents made him leave home because he was the eldest and they did not have enough food to feed themselves and the rest of their children.  He did not talk about his struggle to survive, but he did say he never went back and did not know what happened to any of his "family".

Anytime, I indulge in self-pity, I remind myself that it is best to learn from the past and enjoy the present and do what I can do what little I can to make life better for myself and others whenever possible.

 
 
 
arkpdx
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7.2.25  arkpdx  replied to  mocowgirl @7.2.24    2 weeks ago
 I remind myself that it is best to learn from the past and enjoy the present and do what I can do what little I can to make life better for myself and others whenever possible. 

Too bad those aborted babies will never have the chance to do that. Their lives were cut short for no other reason than it was inconvenient for their selfish mothers to have them. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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7.2.26  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  arkpdx @7.2.25    2 weeks ago

Look, it is your personal belief that it is a baby. It is not mine. And for the record, I never had an abortion, and I don't judge those who do or do not. Who are you to judge?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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7.2.27  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  arkpdx @7.2.23    2 weeks ago

A baby is a person and what you are proposing is murder. A 12-week-old fetus doesn't even meet the min requirement to be called a baby.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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7.2.28  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7.2.26    2 weeks ago

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JBB
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7.2.29  JBB  replied to  Texan1211 @7.2.6    2 weeks ago

What in hell do you think making abortions illegal means? It make abortions criminal...

 
 
 
mocowgirl
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7.2.30  mocowgirl  replied to  arkpdx @7.2.25    2 weeks ago
Their lives were cut short for no other reason than it was inconvenient for their selfish mothers to have them. 

Do you personally know the 800,000+ women who chose to have an abortion or are you just making shit up?

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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7.2.31  sandy-2021492  replied to  arkpdx @7.2.10    2 weeks ago
Your definition sounds more like those a are in favor of abortion.

Nobody is in favor of abortion.  All of us want there to be fewer abortions.  We're in favor of choice.  We're in favor of a child not being forced to risk her life carrying to term a fetus that is the product of rape or incest.  Because not risking the lives of children by forcing them to be broodmares is the pro-life position.

 
 
 
charger 383
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7.2.32  charger 383  replied to  arkpdx @7.2.4    2 weeks ago

What do you want to do about overpopulation?

 
 
 
charger 383
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7.2.33  charger 383  replied to  arkpdx @7.2.18    2 weeks ago

In what body is it staying?    

 
 
 
Veronica
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7.2.34  Veronica  replied to  mocowgirl @7.2.24    2 weeks ago
in the 1930s in the Oklahoma.  When he was 12, his parents made him leave home because he was the eldest and they did not have enough food to feed themselves and the rest of their children. 

Happened to my father in the 40s.  Eldest of 11 and age 10 they "sold" him to a farmer down the road.  Then they MOVED.

My mother is still alive, but I grew up, the last of 6 kids, hearing every day how much she hated children.  She taught me to read at age 4 so she wouldn't have to read to me.  I still thank her for that, but I resent the HELL out of being a child that knew every day I was not wanted and actually hated.  My father worked and drank, so no support from him either.  I was molested by a brother & cousin - and told I imagined it and/or a liar.  

If anyone had asked me at 6 weeks gestation if I wanted to be born to that family at that time I would have begged to be terminated.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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7.2.35  Jack_TX  replied to  al Jizzerror @7.2.14    2 weeks ago
In 1957 the leading cause of death for women of child bearing age was botched abortions.  Roe v Wade changed that.

Or.... in the real world.... birth control changed that.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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7.2.36  Trout Giggles  replied to  Jack_TX @7.2.35    2 weeks ago

It did and it didn't. Some people just flat out refuse to use birth control. I really don't have any sympathy for them. But I have known women whose BCP's failed and they ended up with an unwanted pregnancy. I think there are fewer unwanted pregnancies now but birth control is not 100% effective.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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7.2.37  Trout Giggles  replied to  Veronica @7.2.34    2 weeks ago
hearing every day how much she hated children. 

My mother once told me that if BCP's had been available my brother and I wouldn't have been born. I'm pretty sure she was serious

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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7.2.38  Trout Giggles  replied to  charger 383 @7.2.32    2 weeks ago
What do you want to do about overpopulation?

Vasectomies for every man

 
 
 
Tessylo
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7.2.39  Tessylo  replied to  Trout Giggles @7.2.37    2 weeks ago

I remember when I was little my mom or dad having a discussion with our neighbors - talking about their kids - they had two boys and a girl - and I remember their dad saying something like - we planned for the first one or two but the other one was an accident.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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7.2.40  Tessylo  replied to  Veronica @7.2.34    2 weeks ago

What a living hell that must have been for you!  Damn!

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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7.2.41  Trout Giggles  replied to  Tessylo @7.2.39    2 weeks ago

My son wasn't planned but I never called him an accident. He was a very happy surprise

 
 
 
Tessylo
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7.2.42  Tessylo  replied to  Trout Giggles @7.2.41    2 weeks ago

I hear ya TG.  Even then, I was just a little kid, I couldn't believe he said that!

 
 
 
Veronica
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7.2.43  Veronica  replied to  Trout Giggles @7.2.37    2 weeks ago

I know mine was very serious.  Not a warm & fuzzy woman.

 
 
 
Veronica
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7.2.44  Veronica  replied to  Tessylo @7.2.40    2 weeks ago

It was very rough.  Not a good situation to be born into.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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7.2.45  sandy-2021492  replied to  Trout Giggles @7.2.41    2 weeks ago

My brother was a pleasant surprise. He was planned, but not quite so soon.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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7.2.46  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  sandy-2021492 @7.2.45    2 weeks ago

Me too. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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7.2.47  Tessylo  replied to  Veronica @7.2.44    2 weeks ago

Sounds you're a survivor and on the other side of a great life!  A lot of young women try to escape that kind of life by getting pregnant at a young age and married and get trapped.  

 
 
 
arkpdx
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7.2.48  arkpdx  replied to  sandy-2021492 @7.2.31    2 weeks ago

Most abortions are not performed because of the mother being a child, or being because of incest or rape. Mother vast majority are because being pregnant and having a baby is just an inconvenience for the mother. She should have thought about that before she crawled I'd the sack and had sex

 
 
 
Hallux
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7.2.49  Hallux  replied to  arkpdx @7.2.48    2 weeks ago

Some men are just conceived with a knack for blaming women ... the weeding out process should start there.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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7.2.50  Tessylo  replied to  arkpdx @7.2.48    2 weeks ago

Provide the citation then for those stats.  

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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7.2.51  sandy-2021492  replied to  arkpdx @7.2.48    2 weeks ago

Most aren't. But those that are will be forbidden in some states, putting children's lives, health, and ability to recover from assault at risk.

Also, the inconvenience angle - a properly performed abortion is safer than carrying a pregnancy to term and delivering. Is your safety just a "convenience" to you?

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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7.2.52  Jack_TX  replied to  Trout Giggles @7.2.36    2 weeks ago
It did and it didn't.

To clarify, what birth control did was cause "unwanted abortions" to cease being the top cause of death for women....if in fact it ever really was the top cause... we didn't get a citation.

Let's also be clear, birth control stops massively more unwanted pregnancies than abortions, so the idea that RvW "changed that" is disingenuous at best, and hysterical batshit melodrama at worst.

Some people just flat out refuse to use birth control. I really don't have any sympathy for them.

We are defintely in agreement on this.

But I have known women whose BCP's failed and they ended up with an unwanted pregnancy. I think there are fewer unwanted pregnancies now but birth control is not 100% effective.

It is actually 99% effective.   Oral birth control is one of the most influential advances in human history.  It is 100 million times more important than Roe v Wade.  

 
 
 
charger 383
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7.2.53  charger 383  replied to  arkpdx @7.2.48    2 weeks ago

and what is wrong with convenience?

 
 
 
charger 383
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7.2.54  charger 383  replied to  arkpdx @7.2.48    2 weeks ago
"she crawled I'd the sack and had sex"
You think something is wrong with that? 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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7.2.55  Trout Giggles  replied to  Jack_TX @7.2.52    2 weeks ago

I don't disagree with any of your statements. But 99% is not 100%. We all know what 100% effective birth control is. I suggest women start using it.

 
 
 
arkpdx
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7.2.56  arkpdx  replied to  charger 383 @7.2.53    2 weeks ago

Nothing as long as it doesn't involve the death of an innocent unborn. 

 
 
 
arkpdx
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7.2.57  arkpdx  replied to  charger 383 @7.2.54    2 weeks ago

Not really but if she doesn't want to have a baby, that is the time to decide and take appropriate precautions. 

 
 
 
arkpdx
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7.2.58  arkpdx  replied to  Trout Giggles @7.2.55    2 weeks ago

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Perrie Halpern R.A.
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7.2.59  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  arkpdx @7.2.58    2 weeks ago
Failed birth control measures is very low on the list of why women get abortions. 

Prove that.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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7.2.60  Jack_TX  replied to  Trout Giggles @7.2.55    2 weeks ago
I don't disagree with any of your statements. But 99% is not 100%.

Fair enough.  And for the record, I don't have a set opinion on Roe v Wade or abortion in general.  I'm merely pointing out that oral contraceptives are infinitely more significant.

We all know what 100% effective birth control is. I suggest women start using it.

Really.  You're gonna shut down Mr. Giggles over a rumor of a SCOTUS decision?  Seems a bit harsh.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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7.2.61  Trout Giggles  replied to  Jack_TX @7.2.60    2 weeks ago
I'm merely pointing out that oral contraceptives are infinitely more significant.

And you are correct. I took them for years and never had an unwanted pregnancy. Between you and me, I think when BCP fails it's because they weren't taken properly, but that's just my opinion.

You're gonna shut down Mr. Giggles over a rumor of a SCOTUS decision?  Seems a bit harsh.

He's got no worries. I'm 60 years old. What are the chances of me getting pregnant at this age? None to zilch

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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7.2.62  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Jack_TX @7.2.52    2 weeks ago
It is actually 99% effective.   Oral birth control is one of the most influential advances in human history.

Not everyone can take oral birth control. I know I couldn't and neither can my daughters. So that has to be factored into the equation.

 
 
 
Veronica
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7.2.63  Veronica  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7.2.62    2 weeks ago

My daughter with an autoimmune disorder cannot use any type of BC that contains hormones.  She was not allowed to have a tubal ligation prior to her 30th b-day because she "might change her mind" even though a pregnancy could kill her.  But naw, this crap won't affect women because their is BC.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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7.2.64  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7.2.62    2 weeks ago

My wife was the same, after our daughter was born I got a vasectomy to obtain the same result with much less risk.  It was a great decision.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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7.2.65  Trout Giggles  replied to  Veronica @7.2.63    2 weeks ago

Both you and Perrie have given all of us something to think about. I've been lucky that I could take hormonal bc. It never occurred to me that some women cannot because of medical conditions. I hang my head in shame

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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7.2.66  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @7.2.64    2 weeks ago

Very forward-thinking of you! That is a great decision. 

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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7.2.67  Jack_TX  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7.2.62    2 weeks ago
Not everyone can take oral birth control. I know I couldn't and neither can my daughters. So that has to be factored into the equation.

Fair enough.  

I still don't think we want to equate abortion with birth control.  I can't imagine you or your daughters look at them equally.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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7.2.68  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Veronica @7.2.63    2 weeks ago
autoimmune disorder

My wife has suffered from Lupus and my sister from Hashimoto's thyroiditis.  So much more research for these conditions are needed.  

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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7.2.69  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7.2.66    2 weeks ago

Snip-snip in the 90's was easy and no more latex barrier was a good deal for both of us.  

 
 
 
charger 383
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7.2.70  charger 383  replied to  Jack_TX @7.2.67    2 weeks ago

Abortion is the back up when birth control fails.  All systems protecting important things need redundant backups

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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7.2.71  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @7.2.64    2 weeks ago

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bbl-1
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7.2.72  bbl-1  replied to  JBB @7.2.2    2 weeks ago

Or----------------Arm the women.

 
 
 
Hallux
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7.2.73  Hallux  replied to  Trout Giggles @7.2.38    2 weeks ago
Vasectomies for every man

Many men will look on that as a license to rape.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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7.2.74  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Jack_TX @7.2.67    2 weeks ago
I still don't think we want to equate abortion with birth control.  I can't imagine you or your daughters look at them equally.

Of course not. You might not know that as a biology teacher it was my job to teach sex ed, and I taught abstinence. That being said, I taught my daughters well about birth control, and about the fallout from an unwanted pregnancy.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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7.2.75  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @7.2.68    2 weeks ago

I have a lupus like disorder and both my daughters have Hashimoto's thyroiditis. Autoimmune diseases and neurology are the great frontiers in medicine. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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7.2.76  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  charger 383 @7.2.70    2 weeks ago
Abortion is the back up when birth control fails.  All systems protecting important things need redundant backups

Exacty!

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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7.2.77  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @7.2.69    2 weeks ago

I would have to agree with you 100%

 
 
 
bbl-1
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7.2.78  bbl-1  replied to  Tessylo @7.2.50    2 weeks ago

The stats are either in the bible or second amendment somewhere.

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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7.2.79  cobaltblue  replied to  charger 383 @7.2.54    2 weeks ago
You think something is wrong with that? 

And you know the sweet talkin' that got that woman into the sack. It's like she made a baby on her very own. 

 
 
 
Veronica
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7.2.80  Veronica  replied to  Trout Giggles @7.2.65    2 weeks ago
I hang my head in shame

No need to do that.  I could also (and did) take BC pills.  My daughter just ended up with the short end of the stick in regards to her health issues.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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7.2.81  Tessylo  replied to  Jack_TX @7.2.52    2 weeks ago

How ignorant and insulting of you.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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7.2.82  Tessylo  replied to  Trout Giggles @7.2.55    2 weeks ago
"Let's also be clear, birth control stops massively more unwanted pregnancies than abortions, so the idea that RvW "changed that" is disingenuous at best, and hysterical batshit melodrama at worst."
Was this arrogance necessary?
 
 
 
Tessylo
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7.2.83  Tessylo  replied to  bbl-1 @7.2.78    2 weeks ago

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Trout Giggles
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7.2.84  Trout Giggles  replied to  Tessylo @7.2.82    2 weeks ago

lol

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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7.2.85  sandy-2021492  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7.2.62    2 weeks ago

Birth control pills sent my blood pressure sky high the last time I tried to take them.  My BP the day I went to the doctor was 118/68.  Three weeks into taking the Pill, I had terrible leg cramps and felt like I had the flu.  I got my BP checked the next day, and it was 150/110.  The Pill was the only change in my habits, and I had been warned to keep an eye on my BP.

So, hormonal BP was not on the list of possibilities for me after that, even though I'd taken the Pill in the past.

Thankful I've had the plumbing removed.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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7.2.86  Split Personality  replied to  arkpdx @7.2.56    2 weeks ago
Nothing as long as it doesn't involve the death of an innocent unborn.

Nice oxymoron.  

 
 
 
arkpdx
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7.2.87  arkpdx  replied to  Split Personality @7.2.86    2 weeks ago

Do you know what an oxymoron is? How do you think my comment qualifies as an oxymoron?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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7.2.88  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  arkpdx @7.2.48    2 weeks ago
She should have thought about that before she crawled I'd the sack and had sex

Oh wait... you mean no guy was there with her when she got pregnant? Only women have the burden of self-control. Interesting.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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7.2.89  Split Personality  replied to  arkpdx @7.2.87    2 weeks ago
Do you know what an oxymoron is? How do you think my comment qualifies as an oxymoron?

Absolutely, do you?

Try English without your religious limitations.

Death can only occur after life is established. It's the law...

An unborn potential human is not alive according to the Catholic Church and the Courts of the USA

Multiple cases involving Catholic hospitals, where the mother was denied 

an "abortion" or emergency C-section resulting in the death of the mother and

one or more unborn children were found in the Catholic Church/Hospital's favor.

HOSPITAL WINS WRONGFUL DEATH SUIT – Sun Sentinel (sun-sentinel.com)

Granted, using the Catholic Church victories is like admitting there is something

terribly wrong with humanity at large.

The bottom line is that "shingle's doesn't care" what you believe.

Neither does COVID.

Nature doesn't give a rat's ass about one's religious beliefs.

Nature always wins.

 
 
 
bbl-1
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7.2.90  bbl-1  replied to  charger 383 @7.2.32    2 weeks ago

As far as here in the US.  Stop paying people for babies.  And also end all tax breaks and subsidies for children.

Change the American mindset that having children are a sacrifice people must be willing to make.

 
 
 
mocowgirl
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7.2.91  mocowgirl  replied to  cobaltblue @7.2.79    2 weeks ago
And you know the sweet talkin' that got that woman into the sack. It's like she made a baby on her very own. 

It reminds me of a song that, for some strange reason, I never hear on my golden oldie radio station here in the Bible Belt. 

 
 
 
Gordy327
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7.2.92  Gordy327  replied to  arkpdx @7.2.4    one week ago
So the poor killing babies is important for you. How about the cost of housing rising or the price of fuels or the cost of food or inflation in general. All of those impact the poor much more than wether or not they can murder babies. 

The more people there are, the more costs will rise, as more and more resources are needed. 

The are definitely babies 

Only when they're born.

They baby is not your body. It has a body all its own. 

It's attached to and feeding off of someone's body, like a parasite. And no one is required to give their body to support another against their will.

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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7.3  cobaltblue  replied to  Freefaller @7    2 weeks ago
produce those old style wire hangers

You're absolutely right. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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7.3.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  cobaltblue @7.3    2 weeks ago

Hey, Chica! Where ya been? How ya doing? Who do ya know?

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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7.3.2  cobaltblue  replied to  Trout Giggles @7.3.1    2 weeks ago
Where ya been?

Enjoying retirement! But I smelled al, and I couldn't get here fast enough.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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7.3.3  Tessylo  replied to  cobaltblue @7.3.2    2 weeks ago

How they hangin'?

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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7.3.4  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  cobaltblue @7.3.2    2 weeks ago

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cobaltblue
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7.3.5  cobaltblue  replied to  Tessylo @7.3.3    2 weeks ago
How they hangin'?

How so very appropriate, Miss Tessylo. The word "perky" is no longer in my vocabulary. They be hangin' just dandy however.

Always so good to see you. Love you, girl. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
7.3.6  Tessylo  replied to  cobaltblue @7.3.5    2 weeks ago

Miss seeing your wit and intellect and beauty around these parts.

It has been more than a month of Sundays darlin'

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
7.3.7  Tessylo  replied to  cobaltblue @7.3.5    2 weeks ago

LOL these ole' parts ain't so perky anymore either sweetie darling.  I blame gravity

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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7.3.8  cobaltblue  replied to  Tessylo @7.3.7    2 weeks ago
I blame gravity

Mean ol' Mr. Gravity. Such a dick. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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7.4  XXJefferson51  replied to  Freefaller @7    2 weeks ago

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bbl-1
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8  bbl-1    2 weeks ago

'The golden image of the fetus was placed on an altar of polished alabaster as those in attendance cowered with bowed heads to that which was not yet among them.' 

The politics of the fetus.  

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
8.1  JBB  replied to  bbl-1 @8    2 weeks ago

original

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Principal
8.1.1  sandy-2021492  replied to  JBB @8.1    2 weeks ago

In the biology department of the college where I attended undergrad, there are shelves full of animal specimens preserved in formalin.  I did my work study as a lab assistant, so I was in that specimen room a lot.  There was a jar similar to the pic you posted, but of an IUD fetus.  The woman who produced that fetus had done everything she could to avoid pregnancy outside of abstinence.  IUDs are generally extremely reliable.  But hers failed.  She conceived, and the IUD was embedded in the fetus's brain.   The fetus survived to near term, but not quite.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
8.1.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  JBB @8.1    2 weeks ago

And in the conservative world, you would be expected to carry this to term even tho it will probably die in the womb if not right at birth

 
 
 
devangelical
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8.1.3  devangelical  replied to  JBB @8.1    2 weeks ago

shortbus and corny...

 
 
 
mocowgirl
Professor Quiet
9  mocowgirl    2 weeks ago

What the fuck did anyone think would happen when GWBush signed an executive order that done away with the financial component of the separation of church and state?

The BIGGEST winner = the Roman Catholic Church.  

Faith-Based Debate: Obama Signs Order on Funds for Churches - ABC News (go.com)

WASHINGTON, Nov. 18, 2010— -- When   President George W. Bush   authorized federally-funded partnerships between the government and faith-based groups nearly a decade ago, he opened a new chapter in the debate over   separation of church and state .

Bush's so-called   faith-based initiative   green-lighted taxpayer dollars to local churches and other religious organizations to help them expand their social services in local communities. It's an arrangement   President Obama   supports as well.

Faith-based organizations received more than $2.1 billion in federal social service grants in 2005, according to the most recent data published by the Government Accountability Office.

I have googled for information over the last decade for more information on just how much taxpayer money is being funneled to the Roman Catholic Church for administering social programs since Bush's executive order.   The RCC also seems to be in charge of providing various services (at taxpayer expense) to the millions of immigrants that cross our border every year.

Why were our government services privatized to the Roman Catholic Church and other religious organizations?  I don't know, but the fact that it happened almost 2 decades ago has only allowed the RCC to   

PolitiFact | Does the Catholic church provide half of social services in the U.S.?

"In the United States, 50 percent of social services are provided by the Catholic church," said Keating, who now serves as president and CEO of the American Bankers Association.

Keating did not return an inquiry for this story, nor did Catholic Charities USA, the largest charitable organization run by the Catholic church. We asked a variety of experts on philanthropy whether they had heard this statistic or knew where it came from, but none did.

We should start by noting that Catholic charity work is extensive and widely considered a crucial part of the nation’s social safety net. By itself, Catholic Charities USA, has more than 2,500 local agencies that serve 10 million people annually, said Mary L. Gautier, a senior research associate at the Center for Applied Research in the Apostolate, an institute at Georgetown University that studies the church.

And Catholic Charities is supplemented by a panoply of other Catholic-affiliated groups, Gautier said, including "St. Vincent De Paul societies, social justice committees, soup kitchens, food pantries, and other similar programs organized independently by thousands of Catholic parishes each year."

For a variety of reasons, it’s difficult to quantify exactly how big Catholic-backed charity is, but we tried our best to sift the data with the help of the National Center for Charitable Statistics, a project of the Urban Institute, a nonpartisan think tank in Washington.

 In 2012, the  Economist  reported that 62 percent of Catholic Charities’ support came from local, state and federal government agencies.

Our ruling

Keating said, "In the United States, 50 percent of social services are provided by the Catholic church." He’s right that Catholic groups are among the biggest providers of social-service charity in the nation, but it doesn’t appear that they account for half of all such charity.

We’re admittedly using a bit of guesswork, but Catholic charity seems to account for 17 percent to 34 percent of all nonprofit social-service charity, depending on how generous an estimate you make. And that share drops to single digits once you factor in the money the federal government spends on means-tested programs. We rate the statement False.

Funneling taxpayer money to Catholic Hospitals where women are denied lifesaving procedures to keep a fetus alive is barbaric.  The US government seems to be competing against the Iranian government for which one holds women in the most contempt.  

The Democrats have used the threat of revoking abortion rights for women over our heads for far too long.  If the Democrats had actually ever cared about women's rights, they have had many opportunities to make this a non-issue for decades.  Instead, the Democrats used scare tactics to gain political power.  Disgusting and completely unacceptable that women's rights to bodily autonomy has been an ongoing issue for decades when it should have been permanently settled long ago.

 
 
 
pat wilson
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9.1  pat wilson  replied to  mocowgirl @9    2 weeks ago
women's rights to bodily autonomy has been an ongoing issue for decades

And that's absolutely insane !

If men ever faced these issues we wouldn't be having this conversation.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
9.1.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  pat wilson @9.1    2 weeks ago

I wish I could have voted that up twice.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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9.1.2  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  pat wilson @9.1    2 weeks ago
If men ever faced these issues we wouldn't be having this conversation.

True!

 
 
 
mocowgirl
Professor Quiet
9.1.3  mocowgirl  replied to  pat wilson @9.1    2 weeks ago
If men ever faced these issues we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Totally agree.

This is why the men, who view women as possessions, should not be in any positions of authority in our government.

This is one of the reasons why the financial separation of church and state must be re-instated.  

Some facts on why some men cannot tolerate women having rights, independence and being paid for all of the work that we do for free to keep society functioning.

Women Perform 12.5 Billion Hours of Unpaid Labor Every Day (truthout.org)

The gender wealth gap isn’t entirely surprising — sexism predates industrial capitalism, after all. But the systematic economic subjugation of women reflects how patriarchy and poverty are mutually reinforcing. Due to social as well as cultural pressure, women perform vast amounts of unpaid labor — about 12.5 billion hours every day.

Women’s unwaged labor — which occupies up to 14 hours a day in rural and low-income regions — involves domestic duties, primarily the “care work” of looking after children or elders, cooking, cleaning and mending. It could also involve procuring water or gathering firewood, or tending subsistence crops on a family farm — tasks that will become increasingly challenging as climate change and other environmental stresses intensify.

If women like her were paid the real value of their economic contributions to their families, they would be owed at least $10.8 trillion (more than half of the U.S. annual gross domestic product) — the estimated collective value of women’s unpaid care work worldwide.

“The care economy is very neglected,” said Gawain Kripke, director of policy and research at Oxfam America. “Most of it is unpaid. And what we pay [for] is treated very poorly. And this provides a subsidy to the more formal economy. All this work that gets done, society and the economy wouldn’t function without this work…. Businesses rely on it, families rely on it, society as a whole relies on it. And yet we don’t recognize it, and don’t compensate it, and don’t support it.”

This is not an accidental oversight, but institutionalized oppression. “This is what patriarchy is,” he added. “It ignores and makes invisible women, and exalts and elevates rich men.”

In the United States, the care gap for children and the elderly falls disproportionately on women, whether they are caring for their own, or paid as hired care workers. In 2018,   according to the Alzheimer’s Association , about 16.2 million people, the majority of them women, provided unpaid informal care for individuals with dementia, contributing about 18.5 billion hours of feeding, bathing, providing medication and other tasks. If the unpaid care work in the U.S. was provided through government services instead, taxpayers would have paid an estimated $234 billion. Meanwhile, professional home health care aides who care for seniors — aides who are also mostly women —   typically earn poverty wages , and about half receive public benefits.

Child care faces a similar crisis: it’s both extremely expensive for families — well over $1,000 per month in many areas — and chronically underpaid for child care providers.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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9.1.4  Jack_TX  replied to  mocowgirl @9.1.3    2 weeks ago
This is why the men, who view women as possessions, should not be in any positions of authority in our government.

The way you've punctuated this seems to indicate you believe all men view women as possessions.  I presume that's not what you intended.

This is one of the reasons why the financial separation of church and state must be re-instated. 

Interesting.  So the food my church distributes to needy families through govt grant....we should use that money to hire 12 govt employees to replace the dozen volunteers we have and just give those people less food.  Sounds like a great plan.

Nobody seemed to mind when churches offered free drive-through Covid testing or the mosque near my house gave Covid vaccinations....all through govt grants.  

Nobody seems to object to using their Pell grants at Notre Dame or SMU or Vanderbilt.

Are we sure this is a good idea?

Some facts on why some men cannot tolerate women having rights, independence and being paid for all of the work that we do for free to keep society functioning.

If you imagine this issue is driven by men, you are missing the boat.  This is about women controlling other women.  Again.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
9.1.5  JBB  replied to  Jack_TX @9.1.4    2 weeks ago

original

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Quiet
9.1.6  charger 383  replied to  Jack_TX @9.1.4    2 weeks ago
    "If you imagine this issue is driven by men, you are missing the boat.  This is about women controlling other women.  Again."
That is a very interesting point and I now believe it to be true.    I had not considered that to be part of the problem

 
 
 
bbl-1
Professor Quiet
9.1.7  bbl-1  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @9.1.1    2 weeks ago

Me too.

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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9.1.8  cobaltblue  replied to  pat wilson @9.1    2 weeks ago
If men ever faced these issues we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Thank you!! Righter than rain, girl. 

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
Sophomore Expert
10  author  al Jizzerror    2 weeks ago

512

Are conservatives going to pass legislation to assist poor single mothers?  Are they going to provide increased funding for SNAP and child care?  Or are they going to try to kill The Affordable Care Act again? 

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
10.1  JBB  replied to  al Jizzerror @10    2 weeks ago

No, no and you bet your sweet ass they intend to!

 
 
 
mocowgirl
Professor Quiet
10.2  mocowgirl  replied to  al Jizzerror @10    2 weeks ago
Are conservatives going to pass legislation to assist poor single mothers?  Are they going to provide increased funding for SNAP and child care?  Or are they going to try to kill The Affordable Care Act again? 

It does show their hypocrisy about caring for women and children when they refuse to support them and instead chooses to spend trillions of dollars to wage endless wars that kills millions of women and children either directly or indirectly.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
10.2.1  JBB  replied to  mocowgirl @10.2    2 weeks ago

original

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Principal
10.3  sandy-2021492  replied to  al Jizzerror @10    2 weeks ago

A steep increase in the number of children living in poverty is to be expected.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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10.4  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  al Jizzerror @10    2 weeks ago

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mocowgirl
Professor Quiet
11  mocowgirl    2 weeks ago

Just received this article in my Reddit email.  I thought it might be appreciated by some of the people in this discussion.

Anonymous Hackers Warn Supreme Court Against Overturning Roe vs. Wade: 'Expect Us' (ibtimes.com)

Hacking collective Anonymous has warned the U.S. Supreme Court against striking down the landmark Roe v. Wade decision, adding that it may “get burned” if it does so. 

In a Twitter post published Tuesday, Anonymous said the Supreme Court and Republicans should “expect” some type of retaliation should they repeal Roe v. Wade decision. The landmark decision was made in 1973 when the Supreme Court ruled that governments lacked the power to prohibit abortions and that it was a woman’s right to terminate her pregnancy in the first three months of pregnancy. 

“Repealing Roe v Wade isn't going to go the way SCOTUS or the GOP thinks it's going to go. Play with fire, get burned. Don't say we didn't warn you,” the hacking collective wrote. “Expect us.”
 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
12  JBB    2 weeks ago

original

 
 
 
bbl-1
Professor Quiet
12.1  bbl-1  replied to  JBB @12    2 weeks ago

I love that movie.

 
 
 
Hallux
Sophomore Principal
13  Hallux    2 weeks ago

Instead of commenting, I bought the al-Jizz T-shirt ...

512

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
14  Trout Giggles    2 weeks ago

Would they outlaw abortions for ectopic pregnancies? When you think about it an ectopic pregnancy is really not a pregnancy. It's a life threatening condition where no baby will be born and if no medical treatment is sought, then there goes that baby maker.

You gotta love these medical genius anti-science fucking twats

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Principal
14.1  sandy-2021492  replied to  Trout Giggles @14    2 weeks ago

There have been attempts.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
14.1.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  sandy-2021492 @14.1    2 weeks ago

Then the law would be guilty of homicide. This is one I would like to see Jack McCoy take on.

Seriously, tho. If RvW is reversed, the family of the first woman who dies because it's against the law to receive treatment ie abortion for an ectopic pregnancy will have the Supreme Court reeling again (awkward sentence structure)

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Principal
14.1.2  sandy-2021492  replied to  Trout Giggles @14.1.1    2 weeks ago
Then the law would be guilty of homicide.

Agreed.  As well as those who enact and enforce it.

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Quiet
15  charger 383    2 weeks ago

I do not understand why men do not see abortion is a great freedom for them.  

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
15.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  charger 383 @15    2 weeks ago

Well.......

LOL!

All laughing aside I do wonder how many of these anti-choice men have paid for or insisted on an abortion because they didn't want to be "inconvenienced"

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
Sophomore Expert
15.2  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  charger 383 @15    2 weeks ago
I do not understand why men do not see abortion is a great freedom for them.

Many men do not want to pay child support for eighteen years.

512

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Principal
15.3  sandy-2021492  replied to  charger 383 @15    2 weeks ago

Well, in the past, a lot of men managed to dodge child support requirements.  Skip town, work for cash under the table, etc.  The courts were terrible about enforcing child support.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
15.3.1  devangelical  replied to  sandy-2021492 @15.3    2 weeks ago

deadbeat dads lose their driver's license in my state and that suspension follows them across the US.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Principal
15.3.2  sandy-2021492  replied to  devangelical @15.3.1    2 weeks ago

A family near here had a deadbeat dad locked up.  I believe he was a local police chief, but I'm not sure.  He was in law enforcement.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
Sophomore Expert
15.3.3  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  devangelical @15.3.1    2 weeks ago

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Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Expert
15.3.4  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  devangelical @15.3.1    2 weeks ago

Thanks, that’s very important to know.  

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
15.3.5  devangelical  replied to  sandy-2021492 @15.3.2    2 weeks ago

go figure. I use to play poker with a group of metro cops that weren't too bothered by ethics.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
15.3.6  Trout Giggles  replied to  devangelical @15.3.1    2 weeks ago

My BIL used to work for the city of Denver in some office where they went after dead beat dads

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
15.3.7  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @15.3.6    2 weeks ago

colorado fucks them up.

 
 
 
bbl-1
Professor Quiet
15.4  bbl-1  replied to  charger 383 @15    2 weeks ago

Those with means surely do.  They also despise those without means.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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15.5  XXJefferson51  replied to  charger 383 @15    2 weeks ago

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Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
16  Trout Giggles    2 weeks ago

Hey, Al! where did you get the video of my birth?

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
Sophomore Expert
16.1  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  Trout Giggles @16    2 weeks ago

You were such a beautiful baby.

512

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
16.1.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  al Jizzerror @16.1    2 weeks ago

Give that baby blue eyes and it almost looks like both of my kids when they were born. They both had some wild assed hair until they were about a year old

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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16.1.2  cobaltblue  replied to  Trout Giggles @16.1.1    2 weeks ago
They both had some wild assed hair

Oh dear god. Did you have some crazy heartburn while pregnant? 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
16.1.3  Trout Giggles  replied to  cobaltblue @16.1.2    2 weeks ago

You bet I did! I shouldl have bought stock in the Maalox company. Now I have GERD and have to take meds every day for it. I blame THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
 
 
cobaltblue
Sophomore Participates
16.1.4  cobaltblue  replied to  Trout Giggles @16.1.3    2 weeks ago
You bet I did!

Every time I see a newborn with a full head of hair like that, I feel for his/her sweet momma. You  know she had a hellish pregnancy due to heartburn. 

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al Jizzerror
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16.1.5  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  cobaltblue @16.1.4    2 weeks ago

I wonder if Rosemary had heartburn.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
16.1.6  Trout Giggles  replied to  cobaltblue @16.1.4    2 weeks ago

LOL!

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Quiet
17  charger 383    2 weeks ago

Why is abortion anybody else's business?  It does not concern them in anyway 

 
 
 
arkpdx
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17.1  arkpdx  replied to  charger 383 @17    2 weeks ago

Why is child abuse by the parents anybody else's business. It doesn't effect anyone else. 

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Quiet
17.1.1  charger 383  replied to  arkpdx @17.1    2 weeks ago

there is a difference between that which is already born and that which is not.  once they are here somebody is stuck with and responsible for them and thier costs and abused children usually are a drag on society' and cause problems and costs for others. 

Anything that is not wanted usually does not get the best care and is often abused.

Child abuse does affect others, Abortion does not.  ` 

 
 
 
arkpdx
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17.1.2  arkpdx  replied to  charger 383 @17.1.1    2 weeks ago

So you would be Ok with killing children that are unwanted and inconvenient even if they are already born. 

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Quiet
17.1.3  charger 383  replied to  arkpdx @17.1.2    2 weeks ago

I did not say that,  i said " once they are here somebody is stuck with and responsible for them and thier costs "   I favor preventing that problem. 

The cost of an unwanted child are high, resources can be spread too thin, other family members suffer, Parents many not have time or even care.

Not all people who have kids should or really want to be parents

Forcing unwanted kids on people and expecting them to be successful and happy, because you are against abortion, is like trying to grow good crops in a parking lot  

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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17.1.4  cobaltblue  replied to  arkpdx @17.1.2    2 weeks ago
So you would be Ok with killing children that are unwanted and inconvenient even if they are already born. 

Unwanted children are killed every frigging day, arkie. Except they're usually tortured first.

An estimated 1,840 children died due to abuse or neglect in FFY 2019.

That's five a day. Five actual babies, not zygotes arkie, BABIES die a day. A fucking day. By beatings, starvings, rapings. What a bunch of fuckin' nuts that are "pro life." Pro life, my ass. They're pro birth, and that's it. They don't give a shit about life. They're the pro wire hanger party. If you think abortions are going to stop, you're dumber than a box of rocks. 

How many foster children do you have, arkie? I expect it's several. Right? 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Expert
17.1.5  Sean Treacy  replied to  cobaltblue @17.1.4    2 weeks ago
nwanted children are killed every frigging day, arkie. Except they're usually tortured first.

So you believe legalized abortion prevents child abuse? 

I've got news for you....

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Quiet
17.1.6  charger 383  replied to  Sean Treacy @17.1.5    2 weeks ago

how can you abuse something that no longer exists?

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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17.1.7  cobaltblue  replied to  charger 383 @17.1.6    2 weeks ago
how can you abuse something that no longer exists?

LMAO! Forget logic, charger. It's lost on a few. I really did laugh out loud. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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17.2  XXJefferson51  replied to  charger 383 @17    2 weeks ago

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charger 383
Professor Quiet
18  charger 383    2 weeks ago

Pencils have erasers for a reason

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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18.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  charger 383 @18    2 weeks ago

Good one!

 
 
 
devangelical
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18.2  devangelical  replied to  charger 383 @18    2 weeks ago

not at the golf course...

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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19  cobaltblue    2 weeks ago
HOW MANY CHILDREN DIE EACH YEAR FROM CHILD ABUSE OR NEGLECT? According to data from the National Child Abuse and Neglect Data System (NCANDS), 51 States2 reported a total of 1,809 fatalities.3 Based on these data, a nationally estimated 1,840 children died from abuse or neglect in FFY 2019, a slight increase from the FFY 2018 number of 1,780. However, it is a 10.8-percent increase over the FFY 2015 number of 1,660. The FFY 2019 data translate to a rate of 2.5 children per 100,000 children in the general population and an average of more than 5 children dying every day from abuse or neglect. NCANDS defines “child fatality” as the death of a child caused by an injury resulting from abuse or neglect or where abuse or neglect was a contributing factor. The number and rate of fatalities reported by States have fluctuated during the past 5 years. The national estimate is influenced by which States report data as well as by the U.S. Census Bureau’s child population estimates. Some States that reported an increase in child fatalities from 2012 to 2013 attributed it to improvements in reporting after the passage of the Child and Family Services Improvement and Innovation Act (P.L. 112–34), which passed in 2010.

Cite.

You are making women have children who are not planned for nor necessarily wanted. Those unwanted children are beaten, starved, burned, tortured, sold for sex, emotionally and psychologically abused. Our jails have a vast majority of prisoners that were merely tolerated, allowed to grow up without a moral compass, ignored and felt a nuisance. 

George Carlin is a fucking genius. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
19.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  cobaltblue @19    2 weeks ago

I also think that any woman who is an addict or alcoholic should abort because Lord knows how much that child is going to suffer. My daughter is a NICU nurse and sees this every day. She once said, "Mom, I don't know why they let these children be born. It's heartbreaking."