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Funny to me that some would rather ignore all of this.

Butt, butt, Biden....

Funny to me that some would rather ignore all of this.

Maybe if you could explain how this relates to the accusations against Biden it might help. I mean, I'm sort of not really getting it. Is your point that Biden is being accused because Trump was? Or, maybe, accusations against Biden don't count until the number of accusations against him match or exceed those against Trump? Maybe that it's okay to have accusations and not care because Trump has accusations and people don't care? Hmm,,, That last one seems to be closest, as far as I can tell. So, is that your point? Because Trump has a bunch of accusations, some of which I assume you think likely true then it's only fair that Biden be given a free pass, whether he's guilty or not? Kinda hard on any potential victims, don't you think? 

Speaking for myself, I don't think it's possible to know the truth of the accusations against Biden so many years after the fact. What upsets me about it all is how the left, after their numerous vicious attacks against opponents on the right for things such as this, completely pretend that somehow the accusations against Biden aren't the same sort of thing. It's Joe Biden. He didn't do it. He even said he didn't do it so it must be true and we can just put it behind us rather than have some congressional dog and pony show for the purpose of smearing the candidate, regardless of any facts, we would insist on if it had been a Republican.  

Of course, people on the left aren't all idiots and they know this, so since it's embarrassing they try to escape the embarrassment by shoving Trump's issues out there in order to distract everyone from the left's hypocrisy. Nice. 

What bothers me is the sheer, dare I say, hypocrisy. The right wing has been denying these allegations for years. If not completely dismissing them as they were nothing. Standing up for Kavanaugh and calling the allegations false if not out right attacking his accuser.

Now all the sudden the right wing is acting like the allegation against Biden is the absolute truth and are running around saying that if they are not taken seriously then the Dems are full of shit.

How can people defend certain people tooth and nail now all the sudden want to bring out a firing squad for this one allegation.

Just shows me they don't actually care about the allegation only care about taking down an opponent.

Just shows me they don't actually care about the allegation only care about taking down an opponent.

There it is in a nutshell. 

What bothers me is the sheer, dare I say, hypocrisy. The right wing has been denying these allegations for years. If not completely dismissing them as they were nothing. Standing up for Kavanaugh and calling the allegations false if not out right attacking his accuser.

That should bother you. However, the right's hypocrisy has nothing to do with how the left chooses to behave on this accusation, except as a pretty lame excuse to not hold to their professed values and hold Biden to the same scrutiny you damned well know they hold Republicans to. 

Now all the sudden the right wing is acting like the allegation against Biden is the absolute truth and are running around saying that if they are not taken seriously then the Dems are full of shit.

I think that's an overstatement. I think a lot of  people find the accusation credible, but that isn't the same as thinking he's guilty. But the Dems are full of shit if they don't handle the accusation against Biden as they have proven they would had it been a Republican. 

How can people defend certain people tooth and nail now all the sudden want to bring out a firing squad for this one allegation.

I don't think anyone wants to put Biden against the wall. I think that most people think there is no way to prove the accusation so far after the fact. I think what a lot of people want to do, though, is put a lot of people on the left against the wall because of their hypocrisy in how they have dealt with the accusation against Biden. In short, they aren't dealing with it at all. They're just ignoring it. 

Just shows me they don't actually care about the allegation only care about taking down an opponent.

Undoubtedly, there is some truth to that. Politicians on both sides are generally slime, in my opinion, especially the more powerful they are. However, a lot of us are simply pointing out the hypocrisy of the Dems in dealing with the issue and aren't really concerned with Biden at all. I think most recognize that there's no way to prove something like this beyond a reasonable doubt. Not so in proving the Dem's hypocrisy. 

so since it's embarrassing they try to escape the embarrassment by shoving Trump's issues out there in order to distract everyone from the left's hypocrisy. 

Why do you care?   I don't know whether Biden did it or not.  I don't know Biden's inner impulses, maybe he is a perv. What I do know is that this is an absurd issue to talk about on Newstalkers every day. 

Arent you the one who has been whining at me from time to time because I talk about Trump so much in negative ways? 

Do you know how many people have talked negative about Trump every day since 2016? Millions of people. You know why? Because there is goddamn good reason to. 

Now we are being given the truly mind blowing display of people who blinked not an eye when example after example of Trump's utter immorality has been paraded before us for years, getting all worked up about Joe Biden.  You already sailed that ship when you accepted Trump as a national leadership figure.  Biden is a follower , not a leader, in bad behavior (if the accusations are true). 

You want to talk about hypocrisy? Start with every "Christian" who voted for Trump because he is a "man of God" or is "doing Gods work". Thats hilarious. Trump is the most unChristian president we have ever seen. 

Trump supporters want to either force Biden out of the race, or make him "damaged goods". How can Biden ever be "damaged goods" compared to Trump, a KNOWN habitual liar, crook, bigot, moron, and cheat? KNOWN. 

It is a peak of dishonesty to try and down Biden with these charges by people who gave Trump a pass , and continue to do so. 

I am seeing pages after pages here on NT of all this handwringing about Biden. From a political standpoint, this is a good time for Jesus own words 

Matthew 7:4 How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take ...

What bothers me is the sheer, dare I say, hypocrisy

well,  we are laughing at your hypocrisy.  Your hypocrisy should bother you.

And what evidence is there against Biden? A neighbor from 30 years ago?

Why absolutely dismiss Kavanaugh's accuser yet completely believe Biden's.

How so Sean? You mean Biden has to be guilty because this is the desired outcome? Is this a fait accompli? Funny I thought this was America where you are innocent until proven guilty. Is it not? Didn't you say that in defense of Kavanaugh? Didn't I agree?

So if it is not handled in a way that the right deems acceptable it is full of shit?

What I am gathering is the right would rather have him step down. Therein lies the hypocrisy. How can the right demand something be done when you even admit there is nothing that really can be done.

You think the left should have an all out assault on him and take him down, when the right would never do the same to one of their own.

And believe me, no one is sweeping it under the rug and this will be used until after the election.

Kayleigh McEnany  , the latest Trump explainer to be foisted on an unsuspecting nation at the White House press podium, said one of the dumbest, yet annoying, things she possibly could on her first day giving a press briefing. 

One of the reporters asked her a question similar to what we see discussed here, the question was why are Republicans getting all worked up about Biden's accuser and her charges, when they didnt care at all about the 20 or so women who have come forward over the past half a dozen years or so to make very similar accusations about Trump. 

McEnany answered this by saying that Trump won the election, therefore the issue of him molesting women (or not) has been decided by the voters, and decided in his favor. Because he won. Yes , that is what she said. 

So if Biden wins the election, it will mean he did nothing to wrong to Tara Reade or anyone else. 

Since that is the case, in Trumpworld, isnt it then fair that no one mention these things until after the election? 

Idiots (or liars) like Kayleigh McEnany are paid with taxpayer money. 

Wally,

Kavanaugh's accusers, especially Ford, had zero credible evidence, and nary a bit of corroboration supporting their fake testimony

And how is that any different from what is being done to Biden? Don't you see the irony?

So if it is not handled in a way that the right deems acceptable it is full of shit?

No, not at all. It's full of shit if the Dems don't apply the same standards to their own that they do Republicans. This isn't about Biden. This is about Dems as a whole. We're supposed to believe that the way they went after Kavanaugh was a values based event and not cynical opportunism. Well, they could have proven they were values based had they treated the credible accusations against Biden in the same way they did Kavanaugh. They could have given the accuser her say in the same dog and pony show they did for Kavanaugh. Nope. Instead, in something like 24 interviews, he wasn't even asked a single question about it, reportedly. 

You think the left should have an all out assault on him and take him down, when the right would never do the same to one of their own.

One, it doesn't matter what the right would or wouldn't have done. Dems like to think they're some sort of different animal than Republicans, but this shows they are exactly the same. Two, I don't Dems should have "assaulted" Biden. If they really stood for what they say they do, they would certainly have treated this whole affair differently. Instead, they show that they don't give a crap about things like sexual assault except as a weapon to take down those whom they oppose. 

I think you understand what I'm talking about. 

Is this a fait accompli? 

Well, yeah. That's how Joe Biden, the Democratic Party and many posters on this site judged  Kavanaugh.   Biden's own line of attack against Kavanaugh was if someone is willing to go public and faces the media  scrutiny to claim  a public official assaulted her we have to believe the essence of the complaint, no matter what  inconsistencies exist  in the story.  Apply Biden's standard to judge Republicans  to Biden and  Biden's a rapist. 

   Due process, evidence and even common sense didn't matter at all to the media and Democratic Party just 18 months ago.   So those Democrats who still want him to be named  their nominee have no problem supporting a rapist, under their own standards. That's  just taking them at their word. 

Otherwise, Joe Biden is like the closeted homosexual televangelist who promotes the death penalty for homosexuals and then decides tolerance is the better route once he gets caught in a Motel 6 with meth and a male prostitute.  Republicans are pointing out that if Democrats and Biden applied the standards they used to judge others, he's guilty. Evidence doesn't matter when  Biden and others try to destroy their opponents.

I have no idea if Biden raped Reade.   I'm not going to vote for him even if he's somehow 100% exonerated. It's not about proving Biden's a rapist, its about showing what a massive hypocrite he, the media and the Kavanaugh witch hunters are.  They had no problem calling Kavanaugh a rapist and trying to ruin his life based on an allegation that was thinner than Reade's story.  Why are you okay with Biden holding others to a different standard than he wants himself to be judged by?

When has either party treated the other side the same? What do you think they should do? He doesn't currently hold any office.

Hell, one would think the right would be happy because I think the metoo movement has been dying a slow death for a while.

Don't get me wrong, I think in the beginning it had a righteous purpose, but like everything it can be co opted and corrupted and lose any relevance.

I think it took itself too far, especially when Franken resigned from pressure just because of a pic he took during his days on the comedy circuit.

I think people are getting weary of continuous allegations that only seem to come forward for political expediency.

For the record, I went after trump for these things because a lot of this about him was known or ongoing even before he decided to run for office. The accusations have been ongoing by various people for years. It was well known for a decade or more.

I think Kavanaugh was more or less ambushed and yes it was all political against him and he fought against it. Things only seemed to come to light as a last ditch effort to stop his nomination. I went after him because I always thought he was unfit for the bench from the beginning. I never really said much of anything about the allegations. I wonder why they didn't come forward when he was on the court of appeals. I made fun of him for his beer chugging frat days and yes, we all have an idea about what goes on in frat houses. Hell one frat house in one of our state colleges here had a reputation for putting roofies in girls drinks.

If Kavanaugh was allowed to fight against the allegations why does the right not give Biden the same courtesy? Why does the right automatically assume he is guilty and think he should be thrown under the bus right before an election?

Again this is only holding one side to a standard. You are basically saying that if the left goes after one person, they must go after all. Meanwhile, the right never acts on things like this, so they never have to. How does that make any sense? Why cannot these things be taken on a case by case basis?

It is all a stupid dangerous political road that has the potential to coddle false accusations while at the same time diminishing any true ones. It is all political football that Imo is taking away any voice a true victim may have by making a cynical public.

Ps. Thanks for a decent conversation. Seems to be hard to come by lately.

First of all, I never supported going after Kavanaugh, and I won't defend Biden for saying what he said. But that being said, what you seem to be saying is that two wrongs make a right, but that doesn't float with me. Furthermore, Kavanaugh was questioned but not put on trial. That was part of the due process of becoming a justice. 

And the Republicans are just as guilty of going after people they don't want. What happened to Bill Clinton and Whitewater was nothing more than a wich hunt. He was hunted down from almost day one and when Whitewater didn't work out, they went after him with something that they knew they could catch him on. So your party is not so lilly white either. Talk about a party trying to destroy an opponent. 

I have no idea if Biden raped Reade.   I'm not going to vote for him even if he's somehow 100% exonerated. It's not about proving Biden's a rapist, its about showing what a massive hypocrite he, the media and the Kavanaugh witch hunters are.

And as I said the Republicans are just as hypocritical. What they did to Clinton was utter BS and cost $80 million tax payers dollars. 

Why are you okay with Biden holding others to a different standard than he wants himself to be judged by?

I think that Biden was wrong but as I just pointed out, this is all partisan BS. Both parties are guilty of it. The only thing that is different is that this is recent news. 

ll, I never supported going after Kavanaugh

I am glad you say that now, but you didn't have a problem when this site was filled with people calling Kavanaugh a rapist. And you don't have a problem with those who did that now discovering due process and the unfairness of trying to defend against allegations from 30 years ago.

But this really isn't about you. This is about the standards Joe Biden, the media and progressives used to judge Kavanaugh and showing what massive hypocrites they are. 

e, Kavanaugh was questioned but not put on trial

Ha!. Doees that somehow make it okay?  Has Biden been put on trial? He's barely even been questioned! 23 interviews since the allegation was made public and his friends in the media didn't ask a single question. Compare that to how the Kavnaugh frenzy exploded. 

 was part of the due process of becoming a justice. 

So now you want to try to  jusitify the Kavanaugh witchhunt?  Biden is accused of raping a woman as Senator. Kavanaugh allegedly pinned a girl down at a high school party. Are you claiming the allegations against Kavanaugh are relevant and Biden's aren't?   I guess declaring Biden a rapist is just "due process" of becoming a President.  If Kavnaugh's treatment was "due process" than you have no rational basis to complain about anything that's happened to Biden, who's been treated with kid gloves by Republicans and the media. 

t you seem to be saying is that two wrongs make a right, but that doesn't float with me

So in your world, it's just as wrong to point out the hypocrisy of the closeted gay who calls for the death penalty for homosexuals as it is to call for the closeted gay to call for the  the death of homosexuals? Pointing out Biden's incredible hypocrisy and pointing out the standards he's perfectly happy to use to try and destroy others is not a "wrong" in my book.  I guess I'm one of those people who think you leading a witchhunt is wrong. You  seem to think criticizing someone for leading a witchhunt is as bad as  leading a witchhunt. 

What they did to Clinton was utter BS and cost $80 million tax payers dollars

Please. Clinton perjured himself under oath.  So now felonies by President are okay too?   Are Republicans ever allowed to criticize Democrats for commiting crimes?  

The only thing that is different is that this is recent news. 

Are you kidding me? Do you not remember what happened with Kavanaugh? This is nothing like what happened to Kavanaugh, where Biden, the entire DEmocratic PArty and the MSM immediately went after Kavanaugh and turned Blasey Ford into some sort of modern saint, who could not tell a lie. (and if she did, it just proved she's telling the truth).   In the six weeks since the allegation was made, Republicans have simply pointed out Biden's hypocrisy and asked for an investigation, while the MSM ignored the story.

23 times the MSM interviewed Biden without even asking about Reade and you think it the  same as the frenzy that surrounded Kavanaugh? That's perposterous.

I think it took itself too far, especially when Franken resigned from pressure just because of a pic he took during his days on the comedy circuit.

The metoo movement had potential but also a lot of risk. The risk was that it was too prone to be used as a tool to go after enemies. It also had the potential, and I think, effect of getting a lot of male assholes to realize certain things weren't going to fly as much anymore. 

For the record, I went after trump for these things because a lot of this about him was known or ongoing even before he decided to run for office. The accusations have been ongoing by various people for years. It was well known for a decade or more

For the record, I didn't vote for Trump. He does a lot of things I agree with, some I don't, but I've never liked him as a person. I find his morals appalling. I'm pushing this issue because I think I'm a fairly moral guy and it pisses me off when a party tries to pass themselves off as the defenders of values but drops them when it becomes inconvenient, as I think is obvious concerning the accusations against Biden and the Dem's handling of them. No honest person would agree that had some Republican been accused of this while trying for some position the Dem's would have come down on them like a ton of bricks, because they always do. 

I think Kavanaugh was more or less ambushed and yes it was all political against him and he fought against it. Things only seemed to come to light as a last ditch effort to stop his nomination. I went after him because I always thought he was unfit for the bench from the beginning. I never really said much of anything about the allegations. I wonder why they didn't come forward when he was on the court of appeals. I made fun of him for his beer chugging frat days and yes, we all have an idea about what goes on in frat houses. Hell one frat house in one of our state colleges here had a reputation for putting roofies in girls drinks.

I think this is a reasonable assessment and I'm glad you have no issues with stating your honest opinion about it. At the time of the hearings, I had no idea whether Kavanaugh was an asshole or not but I was completely pissed off at the travesty of the hearings. There was no due process. There was no actual evidence. There was just a kangaroo court of public opinion. I would be equally incensed if the same thing happened to Biden over the current accusation against him. While the accusation is credible, that is, plausible, there's no real evidence that has been brought forward. It's a classic "he said, she said". 

To be clear, I don't want what happened to Kavanaugh to happen to Biden. What I want is recognition of the fact that the Dems have a standard for their opponents and a different standard for their friends. If the Dems think it wouldn't be fair to treat Biden that way, then it wasn't fair to treat Kavanaugh that way, especially since the accusations are exactly the same sort of accusation. 

If Kavanaugh was allowed to fight against the allegations why does the right not give Biden the same courtesy? Why does the right automatically assume he is guilty and think he should be thrown under the bus right before an election?

Perhaps I'm not reading the same news story that you are but it seems to me that the right isn't doing any such thing. Rather, they seem to be pointing out the hypocrisy of the left in that the left isn't treating the accusation the same, even though they are the same. I haven't heard of any republicans trying to get a congressional hearing on the issue. Not so far, anyway, but perhaps I haven't read the right story yet. 

Again this is only holding one side to a standard. You are basically saying that if the left goes after one person, they must go after all. Meanwhile, the right never acts on things like this, so they never have to. How does that make any sense? Why cannot these things be taken on a case by case basis?

I'm not sure this is about holding only one side to a standard. It isn't for me, anyway. It's about pointing out that one side, the Dems, do not apply their demonstrated standards to themselves when it doesn't suit them. And even when they sort of do, like Franken, it seemed less about what was right and more about image. I would never have pushed for Franken to step down after he apologized for an action in his past that was, stupid as it may have been, not really that big a deal unless he refused to apologized. If only perfect people are allowed to govern, there'd be no government. 

But if a side, either left or right claims a standard, then, yes, I damned well expect them to abide by it, even when it hurts. I'm expected to, so why shouldn't I expect them to? Maybe we have the clown show of a government we do because none of it has any actual values they stand by? And we let them get away with it. We have the government we put there. 

It is all a stupid dangerous political road that has the potential to coddle false accusations while at the same time diminishing any true ones. It is all political football that Imo is taking away any voice a true victim may have by making a cynical public.

On this, we agree. What's more, there isn't any significant difference between Democrats and Republicans. I suspect they are actually working together but even if they aren't, what we are really faced with is which set of rich elites are going to be in control of the rest of us who aren't rich. 

Ps. Thanks for a decent conversation. Seems to be hard to come by lately.

Same to you. I think you understand where I'm coming from, at least, and seem to agree somewhat. My personal opinion is that we can't look to either Dems or Repubs to solve our problems. Right now there are too many in both parties or of those political persuasions who are at the extreme ends of the spectrum. If I could persuade anyone, I'd get them to abandon either party and try to create something like a centrist party. A common sense party, if you would. 

Anyway, been a pleasure. Sorry if I got a little heated. 

With all due respect, we seem to accept as fact that:

• All Democrats are the same.
• All Republicans are the same.
• All (Insert medium here) are the same. 

"They" are not they. They are we. We are all people who have developed our individual attitudes based on the accumulation of experience. When you succumb to the false dichotomy of "they and us", you have begun the slide into not seeing the world as it presents itself, but as it is presented by others. 

Be aware.

To be clear, I don't want what happened to Kavanaugh to happen to Biden. What I want is recognition of the fact that the Dems have a standard for their opponents and a different standard for their friends.

I'd also like to add to this comment that I know the Republicans have done the same thing, although I think they do it to a lesser degree. I don't intend to imply that the Republicans are much better, although I think they are to a degree. 

I am aware, thank you. I understand what you are saying. I know not all in any category are cookie cutter copies of each other. However, there tends to be an overall gestalt that is fairly accurate for describing groups in general. 

"They' are not they. They are we.

and yes, we are not all the same,

especially when it comes to the political Blame Game.

When a Trump defender claims hippocrazy, i just don't feel they are being honest...

but i'm honest that way, and too many other weird ways to mention, so i do, as l tell others, to Not

I am glad you say that now, but you didn't have a problem when this site was filled with people calling Kavanaugh a rapist. And you don't have a problem with those who did that now discovering due process and the unfairness of trying to defend against allegations from 30 years ago.

Wrong. I said clearly on this site, that I didn't think he did it and that it was a terrible precedent to set. But beyond that, I don't tell people what to say. I can only represent myself. 

This is about the standards Joe Biden, the media and progressives used to judge Kavanaugh and showing what massive hypocrites they are. 

Fox is part of the MSM and they have no problem mocking him every chance they can. And while they defended Kavanaugh they are doing a good job of going after Biden. And yes, I do watch Fox. Just pick your poison and that is what most people go with.

 was part of the due process of becoming a justice. 

Holy out of context Sean. Where did you learn that? Fox? This is what I said:

Furthermore,Kavanaugh was questioned but not put on trial. That was part of the due process of becoming a justice. 

And what is up with that 23 number of interviews. Where did that come from? 

So now you want to try to  jusitify the Kavanaugh witchhunt?  Biden is accused of raping a woman as Senator. Kavanaugh allegedly pinned a girl down at a high school party. Are you claiming the allegations against Kavanaugh are relevant and Biden's aren't? 

I'm saying they are both wrong. I think I was pretty clear about that.

 I guess declaring Biden a rapist is just "due process" of becoming a President. 

This is America. We are innocent until proven guilty.  

Pointing out Biden's incredible hypocrisy and pointing out the standards he's perfectly happy to use to try and destroy others is not a "wrong" in my book. 

Is he being treated any differently? Did he not have to answer for this? If there was an interviewing process for the job (thank goodness for Trump there isn't), don't you think Biden would have to go through the process? 

What they did to Clinton was utter BS and cost $80 million tax payers dollars Please. Clinton perjured himself under oath.  So now felonies by President are okay too?   Are Republicans ever allowed to criticize Democrats for commiting crimes?

OK that has to be a joke. Whitewater started by the Republicans the moment he became president in order to get him impeached. And when after over 4 years they got nowhere, they found a girl who he had consensual sexual relations with and caught a married man lying about cheating. I would bet about 15-20% of married men cheat and all of them would have responded the exact same way. He just caught while being the president. That should have been an issue between him and his wife like it had been with all our other cheating presidents. 

First of all what does this mean:

DEmocratic PArty

DEPA?

 In the six weeks since the allegation was made, Republicans have simply pointed out Biden's hypocrisy and asked for an investigation, while the MSM ignored the story.

You have made that claim before and I have seen the return on google from the MSM, and it was covered. 

23 times the MSM interviewed Biden without even asking about Reade and you think it the  same as the frenzy that surrounded Kavanaugh? That's perposterous.

So that 23 came from somewhere. Twice in one comment. Where did you get that number from?

That was it in a nutshell with Kavanaugh also.

Yes it was. Again, are we going with two wrongs makes a right defense?

Thomas,

There is just some who think that everyone has "group think". If anything this discussion should have proven that. 

Now we are being given the truly mind blowing display of people who blinked not an eye when example after example of Trump's utter immorality has been paraded before us for years, getting all worked up about Joe Biden.

If you think people are getting worked up about Joe Biden then I don't think you understand what's going on. What people are getting upset about is not Joe Biden, but rather, the left's acceptance of and excuses for Joe Biden which are exactly the same sorts of things that the left castigates the right for. 

You are a perfect example. I doubt there's never been an opportunity to slight Trump that you've let slide. But when the right does the same thing to Biden, you actually have the nerve to say...

What I do know is that this is an absurd issue to talk about on Newstalkers every day. 

You are a perfect example of this hypocrisy. Thanks. 

The cake is a lie.

The cake is a lie.

LOL

f you think people are getting worked up about Joe Biden then I don't think you understand what's going on. What people are getting upset about is not Joe Biden, but rather, the left's acceptance of and excuses for Joe Biden which are exactly the same sorts of things that the left castigates the right for. 

I'm not going to 'debate' this nonsense with you , or anyone else. It is absurd. In 2016, the "voters" demonstrated that personal behavior of candidates does not matter to the outcome of elections. 

I'm not hypocritical about Biden, I dont give a shit, in terms of the election, whether he did anything to that woman or not, because it does not matter. No one should vote against Biden because of this story. 

You seem highly frustrated that "the left" is not agreeing with you that everyone should be highly concerned about this story. Hell even the moderates and independents dont agree with you.

As far as Trump goes, he's not fit for office, and it has been completely obvious since the day he came down that escalator. It really isnt my problem if other people are blase about it.  

This entire era of trumpism will be seen by history as an aberration. 

You think the left should have an all out assault on him and take him down, when the right would never do the same to one of their own.

And the proof there is that trmp is still occupying the Oval Office even after all the shit that came out during his campaign. They didn't give a shit about their candidate why should we give a shit about ours?

That is what gets me. That some think a certain standard must be followed.

That if one person was gone after, all people must be gone after.

Like we can't deem for ourselves what is credible or not.

Like we have to follow some strict guideline.

e we have to follow some strict guideline.

You do. If there's a R after their name, attack. If it's  D deny. 

don't pretend its anything else. 

Unlike some, I don't follow any strict party line.

ey didn't give a shit about their candidate why should we give a shit about ours?

Yes, you've done a great job of proving every Trump defender correct.  They said,  Democrat's don't care about sexual assualt (Kennedy, Clinton etc.) and only care about these because it's a means to get Trump. And sure enough, four years later you proved they were right and dutifully fall in line behind a man accused of rape.  Trump voters knew you were being hypocites when you pretended to care about the allegations and clutched your pearls becuase Trump merely said "grab them by the pussy," becuase now as predicted, you are perfectly happy to fall in line behind a guy who didn't just say it, he's litterally accused of doing it a girl.

As far as I know, the Clinton affairs were consensual.

If there's a D after their name, attack. If it's an R, deny

And none of you said a GODDAMNED word when all the allegations about trmp came out. None of say a GODDAMNED word when any sexual misconduct allegation comes out about a republican.

I own my hypocrisy. What about you, Sean? Do you own yours?

Fox is part of the MSM and they have no problem mocking him every chance they can

Most people don't consider Fox part of the MSM, and I'm baffled why you think their behavior somehow excused the Times etc. from ignoring the story. So the next time Fox is accused of ignoring an anti-Trump story are you going to jump in and say "Fox doesn't, have to cover it, CNN did!"  

I didn't realize Fox is now the gold standard that can cover for the mistakes of the MSM.

oly out of context Sean.

How's it out of context? You jusitiifed Biden (who was not in the Senate) and the media running with the story because it was "due process" (a misue of that word) of becoming a Justice. Why wouldn't that apply to someone trying to become President, the most powerful position in the world. 

And what is up with that 23 number of interviews

That's the number of interviews Biden did between March 25 and his sit down with Joe and Mika the other day, where supposedly objective journalists ignored the allegation. 

his is America. We are innocent until proven guilty.  

Unless you are a Republican. 

s he being treated any differently?

Well, Obviously.  Which Republican has declared him guilty of rape, which Biden claimed Kavanaugh was? Which Republicans are threatenng witnesses to lie on Reade's behalf?  Which networks are pouring through his Biden high school yearbooks claiming their secret rapist codes hidden within?  Is CNN promoting a porn lawyer claiming Biden led rape gangs in high school without any evidence? Seriously, it's mindboggling that any honest person would compare  the desultory, tardy  coverage of Biden's allegation with the absolute frenzy that surrounded Kavanaugh. You are better than that. 

d when after over 4 years they got nowher

This has to  be a joke. Please look up how many convictions were obtained for wrongdoing by Clinton's associates. A sitting Governor, Clinton's pal was convicted!

 caught a married man lying about cheating

He was caught lying under oath and obstructing justice in a sexual harrasment trial. Are you now arguing that those accused of sexually harrasing women should be able to lie under oath and try to get others to lie under oath without penalty.  I think the law should apply to those of accused of sexual harrasment. I don't understand why you think they are above it. Do you think sexual harrasment isn't a real thing?  

But I'm glad you brought up how Republicans and the Press handled Clinton. When Clinton was accused of raping a woman decades earlier, Kenn Starr simply added a small footnote to the Starr Report saying the allegation was unproved and let it go at that. 

If only Democrats and Joe Biden had followed Starr's lead and handled the Kavnaugh allegation with the same circumspection, common sense and respect for due process, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Instead, Biden decided all allegations had to be believed (when leveled against Republicans).

DEPA?

A typo.

ou have made that claim before and I have seen the return on google from the MSM, and it was covered. 

The allegation was made on March 25th. When did the New York Times first mention it? In the time it took CNN to run it's first story on Reade, it ran 700 odd stories on Kavanaugh. Again, I shouldn't even have to wirte this since it only happened 18 months ago, but their is no comparision between the amount of attention and  the tenor of the coverage between the two situations.   I don't think anyone could suggest there was with a straight face. 

Unlike some I don't follow any strict party line

Sure. Sure. It's just a coincidence all your posts follow a strict party line/

Then you haven't read them all.

Most people don't consider Fox part of the MSM

The only people that don't are the fox watchers.

 hypocrisy. What about you, Sean? Do you own yours

If you think I'm being a hypocrite on a subject, point it out. I try not to be, but if you think I am being one on a particular issue, let me know. 

Absolutely  I do. You never say a word about trmp's indiscretions, you took up for Kavanaugh and berated Ford. Here you've already convicted Biden without there being any investigation or even a Congressional hearing.

And as far as republicans can do no wrong and democrats can do no right, that's you, Sean, in a nutshell.

Or do you only see hypocrisy in liberals and democrats?

ere you've already convicted Biden without there being any investigation or even a Congressional hearing

I convicted Biden? To quote myself from above:  "I have no idea if Biden raped Reade."  The same I've said about Trump.  

Try again. 

rigghhttt......

Donald Trump’s daughter-in-law Lara Trump roused considerable consternation on social media Sunday after she went all-in on demanding Democrats turn over documents to prove that accusations of sexual assault against Joe Biden were false.

“I would think if you were being accused of something and you were totally innocent, you would go to any length possible, Judge, to try and clear your name, including allowing people to open up files like that and make sure you’ve turned over every single leaf to prove your innocence and make sure people understood that these charges were false and that you did nothing wrong,” Eric Trump’s wife told Fox News’ Judge Jeanine Pirro Saturday night.

Trump dragged Democrats for continuing to support the former vice president in his bid for commander-in-chief rather than taking the “believe all women” stance they maintained when      Christine Blasey Ford       claimed Brett Kavanaugh sexually assaulted her when they were in college.

Also Read:       Trump Dragged for Latest Anti-Media Rant: Sorry, There Are No 'Noble' Prizes for Journalism

Noting the irony in her request for total transparency — President Trump has refused to release his      tax returns       and dozens of women have accused of      sexual misconduct       — Twitter users piled on her for her hypocritical call to action.

“Thank you, @LaraLeaTrump. Calling for transparency is the right thing to do. I hope your courage to say this leads to @realDonaldTrump finally releasing his taxes after promising to do so FIVE YEARS AGO,” tweeted California congressman and former Democratic presidential candidate      Eric Swalwell   .

“BREAKING NEWS Lara Trump endorses call for @potus to provide DNA in the E. Jean Carroll case because ‘well I would think if you were being accused of something and you were totally innocent, you would go to any length possible to try to clear your name.'”      CNN political analyst Joe Lockhart wrote   .

Who is Lara Trump and why is she important?

trophy wife to the idiot son of trumpski's first marriage...

Idiot son...that's Eric, right?

Still...what makes her opinion important enough to be on Judge Jeanne's show? Jeannine needs to ratch up the ratings?

She's been all over the place in recent months promoting Daddy In Law Dearest.  

Also, don't you love how some folks are scared shitless of Joe Biden's chances? LOVE IT!

JR what is a hypocrite?

a TRUMPP SUPPORTER

She's been all over the place in recent months promoting Daddy In Law Dearest.  

most Trumpp women have been all over the place

Partisanship is worse than religion when it comes to objectivity.

Very True Tig. 

Here is the thing I don't get. Even if you think that Biden did what this woman says he did, how can you support Trump? He's even worse? Or at least, don't be a hypocrite and jump on Biden. 

I do actually feel that it has become a bit dangerous to be a man these days. It seems that political expedience is to go after them using sex. Kind of the opposite of what the #metoo movement intended since it creates a new victim. 

Here is the thing I don't get. Even if you think that Biden did what this woman says he did, how can you support Trump? He's even worse? Or at least, don't be a hypocrite and jump on Biden. 

I have been asking myself exactly that. One is too many, but if I have to choose between a candidate with one accusation, or one that has 25... I'm going with the candidate that has one. 

Indeed.    Those who feel that these allegations (the last one being substantially different than the preceding ones) cross the line of decency then how could they not find substantially worse fault with Trump?

I understand those who look past Trump's womanizing, etc. because they believe he is otherwise doing a good job (regardless of the truth of that belief).   But if one looks past Trump's sordid past, a consistent, objective method would dismiss these allegations as irrelevant.

And here is the irony about this. Even Trump said this today and gave his support to Biden to fight these charges. That speaks volumes about those who are glomming onto Biden. Even their guy is sympathetic. 

Trump weighed in after Biden’s denial, which marked the Democrat’s first public statement on the matter. “I would just say to Joe Biden, ‘Just go out and fight it,’” Trump said in an interview with conservative radio host Dan Bongino. cnbc  

Indeed.    Those who feel that these allegations (the last one being substantially different than the preceding ones) cross the line of decency then how could they not find substantially worse fault with Trump?

Because it  isn't about who's the more acceptable candidate. It is about the Dem's hypocrisy in dealing with the accusation that is the issue. Saying "well, Trump has way more accusations than Biden and has less decency" is a pretty piss poor defense and is just a means to avoid taking the accusation against Biden seriously. Everyone knows damn good and well that if this were about another Trump appointee to the SCOTUS, the Dem's would be creating a congressional investigation faster than the speed of light and doing their damnedest to drag that person down. But, when it comes to their candidate, they pretend to take it seriously but do nothing at all. How many interviews did Biden have since the accusation came out without a single solitary question about it? 24? Are you kidding me? 

Essentially, what the left is doing is denying their supposed values concerning sexual violence on the basis of saying that it doesn't matter because Trump is worse, so that gives Biden a pass. In other words, it's saying it's okay if our guy is a little guilty because your guy is a lot guilty and that means you don't get to say anything about it. That's complete horse crap. You don't get to say our guy gets away with one rape because your guy had five. 

It's easy for the Dems to "stand by their values" when they are using those "values" as a weapon against their opponents. But we see what their real values are when it comes to their own guy accused of the same thing. Pathetic. 

Actually, I see it as more of,"Fuck! We have as good as nominated him because we think he is the only one who can beat Chump. Now WTF do we do?" Followed by the intense, frightened stare...

Or a claim that is over 20+years ago that there is virtually no proof of, could be in fact, nothing more than a lie to smear an opponent. But hey, why believe Biden, since it's so convenient not to and as an added bonus get to call all dems hypocrites. 

See, that works out so well for all of those who didn't even question Trump's history. And honestly, at this point, even Trump gets that.

"a lie to smear an opponent."

C'mon now, Trump only plays fairly in elections, and would never LIE, unless sitting up,  in bed. Would never quid pro quid, unless he thought basically black mailin another country's leader was the way to go n get a head

or. letting another of our #1 enemies, Putin him in office, all while LYING non stop, as he CAN"T;

can't lead, can't talk, can't breed a \pedigree, 

but can grab a pedi, and phile it under some other pussy he was 'allowed' to grab, cause 'they just let em...'and N E back he can and will stab, cause again,

sum just let em...

.

There is NOT a comparison 

when you look at the past history of Trump VS Biden

when it comes to each ofv these individuals, one, a campion of

womens' rights,

the other, a poster child, for a casually condessending corrupted CREEPO ,

creatively casting his own shadowy projection on his opponent in the election where his Pol Can N Will Never again Grace any,

with the Erection

, asz his, IS an Infection of a dereliction     of Duty , he refuses

to answer,  as to women, he is no 'Man' sir,   just

America's, worst fckn Cancer !

Saying "well, Trump has way more accusations than Biden and has less decency" is a pretty piss poor defense and is just a means to avoid taking the accusation against Biden seriously.

You do not see R hypocrisy here as well?  

Point taken on the D hypocrisy, but my point (which you did not address) is that it is illogical (and hypocritical) to hold Biden to a level of moral and ethical behavior while holding Trump to a lower level.  

If the allegations against Biden prove true then that is behavior unbecoming of someone who aspires to the office of PotUS (and I am not forgetting that many PotUS' have been womanizers).   But for someone to (as many do even here on NT) downplay Trump's moral issues and highlight those alleged of Biden is flawed partisan reasoning.

Or a claim that is over 20+years ago that there is virtually no proof of, could be in fact, nothing more than a lie to smear an opponent. But hey, why believe Biden, since it's so convenient not to and as an added bonus get to call all dems hypocrites. 

Which is exactly what the Republicans were castigated for during the Kavanaugh hearings. You have said exactly the same things here as the Republicans said during the hearings. Exactly the same things. And now Dems are getting exactly what they gave, although to a much lesser degree. 

So, the question I have for you is, why does "it was more than XX years ago", "there's no evidence or proof", " this is just an attempt to smear an opponent" and the rest is perfectly reasonable to you as a defense for Biden but was considered complete hypocritical bullshit when applied to Kavanaugh? The accusations are the same sorts of accusations. Apples to apples. So, again, why are they reasonable for Biden but not Kavanaugh? 

You might be surprised by her answer (which will be provable given her comment history).

My opinion, by the way, is that partisan politics is a blood sport; ruthless and utterly dishonest.   The 'end justifies the means' mantra is taken to the extreme.

You might be surprised by her answer

Maybe, but I doubt it. I've read what she wrote. I know she doesn't agree with what happened to Kavanaugh. My comment wasn't accusing her of holding that opinion herself. I recognized what she was saying as simple common sense concerning roasting Biden over a fire over the accusations. The point was, true as what she said is, why should the left suddenly think such things are reasonable positions to have now but not earlier with Kavanaugh? The Dems are absolutely right concerning what can be realistically done concerning the allegations against Biden, but the same was true of Kavanaugh. 

My opinion, by the way, is that partisan politics is a blood sport; ruthless and utterly dishonest.   The 'end justifies the means'mantra is taken to the extreme.

Yes, it is. My purpose in involving myself in this discussion is to get people to basically agree to the same thing instead of all this bullshit about their candidate and the other guy's. It's all a clown show in a snake pit. You get people like JR thinking they are apostles for righteousness trying to enlighten the rest of us when the truth is it's all filth. Power always attracts the worst of us and, even if our system didn't start out that way, it has evolved into the den of thieves it has become.  

What makes me sick the most, though, is that the Dems are untouchable in virtue signaling. They are the absolute champions of it and the least deserving, in my opinion. 

But not by much

Trump is a misogynistic, narcissistic, creepy conman who probably wouldn't be anywhere today if not boosted by his father's money, and sexual allegations such as these come with the territory for him. He can lie with the worst of them, so it is just old hat. Trump, at least while he is in office, gets a pass on all of his misdeeds. All of his "perfect" phone calls and other stuff are all labeled "fake news" and "hoaxes" because the Dognald declares it so, and for no other reason. His sycophants rush to his aid, cleaning up his messes by spraying silage on them and declaring the smell wholesome... and they have been so brainwashed by this conman that they believe it is so.

Biden represents the continuation of Obama/Clinton which is kind of what got voted out in 2016. He never should have run in the first place. Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren or one of the others maybe Butigeg (Sorry Mayor Pete about the spelling) to balance the ticket (gosh, there were enough to choose from) could still be vying for the nomination. And now, Biden has a millstone tied around his ankle in the form of allegations of sexual misconduct on his part. And an allegation is all that needs be done, because the liar in chief will point at him and laugh, no matter how many women he has lined against him. (I mean that figuratively. Trump, no doubt, would love to have women lined up against him literally.)

I wouldn't mind seeing Trump and Biden both removed from consideration for the presidency but here we are. Seems like a repeat of 2016:This is all I have to choose from?!?!?

Keep going with this "both sides" business. You will get Trump re-elected. 

And you know what Wally, I totally agreed with you about Kavanaugh . 

Even Republicans were believing Ford after her testimony. It was only when Trunp complained that Kavanaugh wasnt forceful enough and he came back after lunch and started crying and ranting that the mood among the GOP senators changed. 

Revisionist history suggests Ford stumbled or impeached her own testimony. That is absolutely not what happened. She just didnt have enough corroboration. 

By his own admission Kavanaugh was often drunk during the summer during his high school years. He hung with a bunch of privileged buddies who thought they were Gods gift to girls in their circle. It is highly possible he got drunk and tried to tear Fords clothes off one night. 

A better question is whether that should disqualify someone from high position. 

People are entirely justified stating negatives about both sides.   You of course are personally free to ignore the flaws on the D side and focus exclusively on the flaws of the R side, but chastising people for being honest is a losing method.

This is a binary choice. You either want this absurd farce known as the Trump era presidency to last 4 1/2 more years or you don't. There is no viable third party candidate and there isnt going to be one in November. 

People who have to include  (in every analysis they make of the election) that both sides are flawed are simply playing into Trump's hands. He knows that people know he is a monumental asshole, and not fit to hold office. Of course he's proud that he is an asshole, but he's smart enough to know most people cant stand him. He HAS TO make it seem like the other guy is as bad as he is. This IS his campaign strategy, to muddy up his opponent as much as possible. 

"A pox on both their houses"  is the same thing as saying Trumps no worse than anyone else so its ok to vote for him. He's normal. 

This is not the time or the election to make the argument that there is no difference between the candidates, which is what third party types love to say incessantly. 

This is a binary choice. You either want this absurd farce known as the Trump era presidency to last 4 1/2 more years or you don't. There is no viable third party candidate and there isnt going to be one in November. 

Thing is John, Thomas was opining on our crappy choices.   And I agree with him.   The choices in 2020 are almost equivalently crappy to those of 2016.

Noting our crappy choices is not advocating for Trump.   It is honestly looking at reality.   Sometimes people do objective analysis.

Taking every opinion that is shy of 100% anti-Trump as support for Trump is irrational (and wrong).   I will object every time you do this.

This is not the time or the election to make the argument that there is no difference between the candidates, which is what third party types love to say incessantly. 

See?   Show me where Thomas argued that there is no difference between the candidates.

Listen, John, I know what I can observe, and what I can observe is that Chump and his sycophants will drag any claim, no matter how preposterous or not, around the news cycle so that even if it is later proven not to be true, to the Chump base it will be true. Period. End of Sentence. It will be promoted on social media, it will be driven home through Super PAC ads, it will be in the inbox of anyone who ever thought of supporting Chump and millions of those who did not. 

You heard it as well as I, straight from the liar who took over for the other liar who took over for the other liar: Chump was elected. Double standards can apply. It is the base of the capitol D's that have to ask themselves if they wish to remain true to their ideals or become hypocritical themselves and pursue the standards of "win at any cost" that the Capitol R's have adopted. 

And re-nomination for GOP campaign for POTUS

I know this is about the allegations but is anyone else a little unnerved by the whole scalp reduction thing...

I know I am going to sound dumb, but what are you talking about?

Ivana said Trump attacked her after he underwent a painful "scalp reduction" procedure done by a doctor she had recommended, tearing her clothes and yanking out a chunk of her hair.

Oh wow... I never heard that story and I'm from NY. I didn't even know he had a scalp reduction.

Psssst... It was in the article.

It is about the Dem's hypocrisy i

I believe it was in an article about Trump in Vanity Fair years ago.

Psssst... It was in the article.

I was kidding. Just loved that part of the story (the scalp reduction part.. not the battery part).

I believe it was in an article about Trump in Vanity Fair years ago.

It was. That divorce was on the local news endlessly. 

It was in the national news endlessly.  "Darling, don't get mad.  Get everything."

It was in the national news endlessly.  "Darling, don't get mad.  Get everything."

I didn't realize that. How funny!

Ivana used that line in the movie The First Wife's Club and I loved it.

25 women and no concrete proof, just allegations.

There is concrete proof that something inappropriate happened between biden and reade per her mothers phone call to larry king live in 1993.

25 women and no concrete proof, just allegations. There is concrete proof that something inappropriate happened between biden and reade per her mothers phone call to larry king live in 1993.

First of all, Trump said , from his own mouth "they let you do it. grab them by the pussy".

Do you know that one of Trump's accusers says that is exactly what he did to her , grabbed her by the pussy when they were alone in a side room at a social function?

There are other women who also say Trump tried to get his hand onto their private parts, tried to "grab them by the pussy" (his words).  

If the mother's words are "proof" about Biden, what are Trump's own words? 

“First of all, Trump said , from his own mouth "they let you do it. grab them by the pussy".”

sounds like locker room talk to me. Lot’s of guys say things like that.

“Do you know that one of Trump's accusers says that is exactly what he did to her , grabbed her by the pussy when they were alone in a side room at a social function?”

did she make that claim before or after Trump said that? I’m betting after.

“There are other women who also say Trump tried to get his hand onto their private parts, tried to "grab them by the pussy" (his words).”

again, before or after? By the way, that sounds like what reade says of biden.

“If the mother's words are "proof" about Biden, what are Trump's own words?”

like i said before, lot’s of guys say things. That doesn’t mean they do or did them. It’s all allegations. One thing is certain, no one has come forward with a recording of any of those women’s mothers calling a radio or tv show claiming a billionaire did something inappropriate to their daughter.

none of us know for sure. None of us were there. The big story here is the left and their very loud reaction to kavanaugh and their deafening silence to biden. Do they know how ridiculous they look? Apparently not.

The idea that Biden is guilty of something along these lines ,but Trump is innocent , is completely bizarre. 

Where did i say that?

He did that to a woman on a plane as well, probably one of your 25 accusers

per her mothers phone call to larry king live in 1993.

Here say. Her mother wasn't there with her daughter when this allegedly happened.

Usual partisan garbage. 

Clinton's witch hunt was the same thing. 

But I bet you were fine with that at the time.

What hearsay?  Ford's testimony was direct evidence, and totally admissible at trial.  I guess you missed the course on evidence in law school...

Only bet what you can afford to lose, then.

I only do and I don't lose.

I didn't say anything about Reade.  It's like you're arguing with yourself, and losing.

I know you're not a lawyer.  I was being "sarcastic".  That must be a term you're familiar with these days from your Fearless (Fearful) Leader.

25 women and no concrete proof, just allegations.

OK, and how is that different from what is going on with Biden?

Answer: it isn't. 

Even Trump agrees. 

Then i disagree with Trump on this. The difference is a recording of reade’s mother complaining about something inappropriate that happened between her daughter and a prominent senator. The same cannot be said of the allegations against Trump.

It is hearsay. I could call my mom and tell her you raped me. Did you? And how many times has she changed the story? Now add 20+ years to that and it becomes ridiculous. 

But you have never worked for me. In fact we have never met. That is a big difference between biden/reade and your scenario.

Yes, someone relating what someone else told them is hearsay.  Someone testifying about what happened to them personally is direct evidence, not hearsay, unlike what some of the internet lawyers on here seem to think.

So if Reade got up in front of a hearing, as Ford did, and recount what happened to her, then that would become evidence and not hearsay, right?

The problem with Ford is she couldn't even find someone to give hearsay.

That is correct.  It would be direct evidence.  Then the issue becomes the credibility of the witness.

As I recall Ford did have some corroboration.  It has been a while and I don't remember all of the facts and circumstances of that case any more.   Under the law, a hearsay witness is not a witness at all although there are some limited exceptions to the hearsay rule.

A witness can testify as to what they claim is direct evidence and be found to be totally not credible, and thus, not believed.  It happens all the time.  

The difference is a recording of reade’s mother complaining about something inappropriate that happened between her daughter and a prominent senator.

That is called hearsay. 

The same cannot be said of the allegations against Trump.

There was direct testimony against Trump by his Ivana about spousal abuse. Want to think about that for a minute?

The problem with Ford is she couldn't even find someone to give hearsay.

It's the other way around. If someone gives hearsay, then they need to back it up. 

Do you understand the difference between direct testimony and evidence?

For clarification, direct testimony actually refers to testimony elicited from an attorney's own client or a favorable witness under direct examination.  The opposite of direct examination is cross-examination, which attempts to elicit testimony from an opposing party or an unfavorable witness.  Both can provide evidence.  

Why don't you tell me what you think the difference is? 

I admit to inartfully using the term "direct" evidence attempting to juxtapose that with hearsay.  

Here are two informative links dealing with hearsay:  

shouselaw

dailyjournal

It seems that I had very good recall now that I have read up on it again.  "Corroboration" does not have to be provided by eyewitness testimony, and there was, in fact, strong corroborating evidence.  In my opinion, Ford made a very credible witness, whereas Kavanaugh was a snivelling witness sadly lacking in credibility.  

fff

rewire.news

You have it right. 

Now that was what I was looking for. Perfect.

I had better get it right.  As soon as I saw your question, I realized my sloppy mistake.  I've been a lawyer for 40 years, although I am semi-retired now and have not had a trial for quite a while.

I'm happy you approve.

Don't ever forget that Shakespeare wrote "The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers."

Aren't you a lawyer?

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Aren't you a lawyer?

Buzz he did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night!

Retired i be leavin

Typical stupid ass comment.  You don't look like you're going to be around much longer.

i love stupid ass comments,

like yours., asz an ample example.

You seem the be the master of them.

You do know Shakespeare, don't you? I would assume that someone who has a juris doctorate would be familiar with The Bard.

But I shouldn't assume....

And this is why you're always in trouble....

lol

Once you get to know Iggy you will learn that he works hard at his craft

wanna debate em ?

actually, more like unemployed, asz know work atall

Yes, I know Shakespeare.  

It appears to just come naturally...  

Yes, I know Shakespeare.  

personally...?

Appearances can be deceiving. You seem like a good person, let's try not to fight. Let's talk fishing!

No, you win in that category.

Proof!  You are on a winning streak...

not my first streak

I'm not fighting with you at all.  Seriously, I'm not.  And thank you for the compliment.  I am certain that you are a good person, also.  My comment about it just coming naturally was not directed at you.  It was about how hard your "friend" works at his craft.  

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yea, i'm the White Stripe on Brown under where which you'll find, one can go down faster than an aging Asian caucasion on okassion, as in most every not okshunned .

may B,we got off on the wrong foot, try rubbing the other one up here, feels good, like a splinter wood uner a hammered nail i could finger, like a Biden her time Trump accuser and lying abuser, so i'll decline your foot warming offer, as i'm a diplomatic hot pepper in a sensitive digestive system, and am not always easy to swallow (girth), so, 'can't we just all get along" little doggy, cause i'm a bachleor of benevolance, never married, just divorced to the realities, not all are ever gonna sea my depths, unless charged with an a temptation, that leave about any and all, in frustration, causeways abound to be more than some due a pier, just from my disadvantage point maid, N joy your day! 

i'm off to make Happy Hour MellonCollie Won se again

Actually  I think you are very funny.  I like you.  You are much funnier than I could ever hope to be.  My comment was deleted for "taunting".  I was just making fun.  

You can appeal your ticket

all good, i'm not  Trumpullthinskinned and do not get easily offended, as , i prefer onstarted, but, you probably don't want to get me onstarted either, as i have no brakes and won't stop once i start rolling as it gets

E Z er and Wider like it was JoB 1.5 that payed double time for double speak with a thrown in rhyme no reason without  care for the carefree Corona Dream i'm living and as reigning

often, i guess i could say i'm living the Corona Wet Dream, but dryer, due to close proximity of lower humidity , cause it's always the Heat in the kitchen, i stand on with my asbestos brake shoes during coffee breaks i can't stop taking either cause i don't drink coffee i spell it with a T, or Toffee , cause i get T'd off when i score TD's on T rumps D efenders  who have no defense against logic and reason i declared Independence from. As it was to prove my independence, and not just from logic and reason, as i'm game in all season 

tires

tired of the reason for non stop warn out Trump and his defenders style Treason trumpin all Facts, a US suicide pac, to kill off the weak and the poor, or make em move back next door neighborhood bullies start what Trump obviously can't finish just like Melania, the U S , and all around him    Diminish 

You can appeal your ticket

i find my tickets very appealing and hope to gain enuff for the big stuffed bear in the back row with the fuzzy fro

I want the fuzzy tiger in the front

i'll tri and grab that one 

as well

Thanks for the tip, but it's ok.

Trump?  What's a Trump?   Sounds like something hideous... and treasonous...

It's the evil beast from the deepest, darkest caverns of the GOP soul

There is another saying:  Everyone hates lawyers, until they need one.

I have probably heard more lawyer jokes than anyone.  Some of my friends love to send them to me.  Some of them are even funny.

The Greedy Old Pigs have no soul.

I'm an environmental scientist and some of the people we don't like include lawyers so most of us have handful of lawyer jokes. Here's my favorite:

What do you call 100 lawyers at the bottom of the ocean? A good start

What would an environmental scientist call 100 lawyers at the bottom of the ocean? An indiscriminate dumping of toxic waste

Here's another one for you:

Why did New York get all the lawyers and New Jersey got the dump sites? New Jersey won the coin toss.

I hope you find these funny and my intention was only to poke fun at lawyers but not be offensive.

ooo...I like that!

I would image that you like lawyers who defend the environment.  There are some.

Why don't sharks eat lawyers?  Professional courtesy.

This is all a bit off topic from this important article about Trump's very serious malfeasance, but we could all use a few laughs right now.

So, here are a few more:

How does an attorney sleep?  First he lies on one side, then he lies on the other.

Why does the law prohibit sex between lawyers and their clients?  To prevent clients from being billed twice for essentially the same service.

How many lawyer jokes are there?  Only three.  The rest are true stories.

I would image that you like lawyers who defend the environment.  There are some.

Yes, I do. I have a very nice man who is a lawyer that I work with all the time. He likes how I put my cases together

I knew that.  (See 9.3.25)

My wife ordered some clippers and she wants to give me haircut now.  The place I usually go is closed for the quarantine.  I'm a little bit nervous about this.  And that's no joke!

Sorry.  See 9.3.49.  You were 9.3.25.

I really enjoy lawyer jokes but only know a few of them..  Can you send me a few of your favourites and I'll send you the ones I know. 

What do you call 100 lawyers at the bottom of the sea?     A good start.

(I always follow that one up with one you already said - Why don't they get eaten by the sharks?  Professional courtesy.). 

What's the difference between a lawyer and a whore?  A whore can screw you only when you're alive.

I will if I can remember the rest that I have.

I'm about to go GI Jane on my hair

You do realize that the Shakespeare line was delivered by Dick the Butcher, a very unsavory character and follower of the rebel, Jack Cade, who was attempting to overthrow the King?  Some writers think " Shakespeare meant it as a compliment to attorneys and judges who instill justice in society. " nytimes

See also Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens opinion in Walters vs. The National Association of Radiation Survivors (fn. 24).  I am certain you will want to do the research.

I am not defending all lawyers.  Far from it.  I have encountered some lawyers who have no business being licensed to practice.  Terrible, terrible lawyers.  The lawyers who oppose the important work done by our friend Trout Giggles likely deserve the utmost condemnation.

I will try and go back through my emails and see if I can find more that people have sent me.  The 3 additional jokes I posted at 9.3.54 are some of my favorites.

The lawyers who oppose the important work done by our friend Trout Giggles likely deserve the utmost condemnation.

And boy do we get some winners....

This isn't exactly a lawyer joke, but...

A drunk was in front of a Judge.  The Judge says, "You were brought here for drinking."  The drunk says "OK, Let's get started."

Subject:   Three Kick Rule

 A lawyer went duck hunting in rural Iowa.  He shot and dropped a bird, 
 but it fell into a farmer's field on the other side of a fence.  As 
 the lawyer climbed over the fence, an elderly farmer drove up on his 
 tractor and asked him what he was  doing.

 The lawyer responded, "I shot a duck and it fell in this field, and 
  now I'm going to retrieve it." The old farmer replied, "This is my  
  property, and you are not coming over here."
 
  The indignant lawyer said, "I'm one of the best trial attorneys in 
  California and, if you don't  let me get that duck, I'll sue you and 
  take everything you own."
 
   The old farmer smiled and said, "Apparently, you don't know how we 
   settle disputes in Iowa. We settle small disagreements like this with  
   the Iowa Three Kick Rule."
 
   The lawyer asked, "What's that?"
 
   The farmer replied, "Well, because the dispute occurs on my land, 
   first I kick you three times and then you kick me three times and so 
   on back and forth until someone gives up."
 
   The attorney quickly thought about the proposed contest and decided 
   that he could easily take on the old codger. He agreed to abide by the 
   local custom.
 
   The old farmer slowly climbed down from the tractor and walked up to 
   the attorney.  His first kick planted the toe of his heavy steel-toed 
   work boot into the lawyer's groin and dropped him to his knees.  His 
   second kick to the midriff sent the  lawyer's last meal gushing from 
   his mouth.
 
   The barrister was on all fours when the farmer's third kick to his 
   rear end sent him face-first into a fresh cow pie. The lawyer 
   summoned every bit of his will and managed to get to his feet.  Wiping 
   his face with the arm of his jacket, he said, "Okay, you old coot. 
   Now it's my turn."
 
   The old farmer smiled and said, "Naw, I give up.  You can have the 
   duck."

If it makes you feel any better, see 9.3.66.

I like that one

I really don't care about the context of it, but if had known that T-shirts were being made embazoned with that line I sure as hell would have bought one and worn it. 

I really like the "true story" joke. 

Trump actually bragged about sexual assault, several times. So what I want to know is why is it such a stretch to believe that trump sexually assaulted a woman, or several for that matter? If Biden had bragged about grabbing women by the pussy, would you be shocked if he had an allegation? Of course not. 

"Every woman lied when they came forward to hurt my campaign," Trump said during remarks in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania at a 2016 campaign event. "Total fabrication. The events never happened. Never. All of these liars will be sued after the election is over."

Apparently, the only liar is Trump who not only didn't sue a single one of them, at least one sued him for defamation. Just another campaign promise Trump failed to keep but his followers keep investing in his mountain of bullshit. No wonder they are reticent about calling Trump to account, if they did that mountain of bullshit will tumble down in their faces. I suppose for some, it's easier to support a known sexual predator with 25 accusations of sexual assault, 1 accusation of rape of a 13 year old, cheated on all three of his wives, paid hundreds of thousands to porn stars to keep them silent about their affairs and in his own words said he doesn't "even wait" for consent and just starts kissing women he finds attractive and grabbing them "by the pussy" because in his words, "You can do anything" "when you're a star", than it is to admit they were wrong.

"than it is to admit they were wrong."

seems they follow Trumps lead

vested warn weight, that drags US All to the bottom, where he and they belong, while we're just drugged along for the ride (sortaglad i'm drugged , as this would be a real drag, otherwise ...others NOT!)