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Biden Adviser, Obamacare Architect, Now Makes Money By Keeping You On Lockdown

  
Via:  XXJefferson51  •  4 years ago  •  69 comments

By:   Stephanie Gutman

Biden Adviser, Obamacare Architect, Now Makes Money By Keeping You On Lockdown
Emanuel’s main recommendation is a new lockdown. “Until case numbers recede to a level at which we have the capacity to effectively test and trace … nonessential businesses and interstate travel should be closed; restaurant service should be limited to takeout. People should stay home, going out only to get food and medicine or to exercise and get fresh air. … Then, and only then, we can try a little more opening,” Emanuel said

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The double standards and hypocrisy of these particular democrats knows no bounds.  This former Obama adviser who once wanted to severely ration health care to seniors to create Obamacare now wants to literally shutdown the whole country from sea to shining sea to protect them.  Different times, different democrat candidate, same overreaching government controls over our lives and how they our masters will permit us their serfs to live them.  Well he will see that he’s not going to get a redo just like communism isn’t.  There is no constitutional authority for either a federally enforced nationwide lock down nor for a federal national mask mandate indoors and out either.  Since short of court packing none will ever happen there will be many places around the country where there will be no compliance with either a total lockdown or outdoor mask wearing so they can give it up already or send in the tanks China style.  


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Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, who some might remember from 2009 as a chief salesman for Obamacare, is back in the spotlight again with tuned-up public health priorities and a new Democrat to serve: Joe Biden.



Here’s a LinkedIn profile I’d like to see: In a fantasy world where everyone is obligated to tell the truth, Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel’s top-of-the-page summary would read, “Professional medical ethicist. Served two American presidents by crafting intellectual framework and persuasive moral arguments in service of world-changing health care policy. Will craft bioethical philosophy and matching rhetoric to suit your needs!”

Emanuel, who some might remember from 2009 as a chief salesman for President Barack Obama’s Affordable Care Act, is back in the spotlight again with tuned-up public health priorities and a new Democratic politician to serve. In this round of public service, he’s a member of Joe Biden’s public health advisory committee. With the pandemic ongoing, and health policy and virus restrictions front and center in this election, Emanuel’s position within Biden’s team matters.

Emanuel Wants Another Lockdown


Although there is a growing scientific consensus that extended lockdowns have caused more harm than good and that they don’t even contain virus spread particularly well (see Sweden’s bell curve, for instance, which looks just everybody other country’s bell curve), Emanuel’s main recommendation is a new lockdown.

“Until case numbers recede to a level at which we have the capacity to effectively test and trace … nonessential businesses and interstate travel should be closed; restaurant service should be limited to takeout. People should stay home, going out only to get food and medicine or to exercise and get fresh air. … Then, and only then, we can try a little more opening,” Emanuel said in a recent interview.

He would also throw in a nationwide mask mandate, indoors and outdoors, because our mask mandates heretofore have been “a hodgepodge.” True masking will only occur after deep cultural change, when masking is “normalized to the point that it’s abnormal to not wear a mask out in public,” Emanuel told McKinsey consulting.

Haven’t most of us been slogging through some rather extended lockdowns? Not good enough! says the zealous doctor. We’ve “never sort of stuck it out nationwide.”

In a peevish letter , addressed “to America’s decision-makers” on Sept. 30, Emanuel and his co-signatories want to know why “in many states, people can drink in bars, get a haircut, eat inside a restaurant, get a tattoo, get a massage, and do myriad other normal, pleasant, but non-essential activities.” In his insistence that we just didn’t do lockdown right, Emanuel sounds a bit like the old communists who frequent the coffee shops of the Upper West Side of Manhattan muttering about the real communism that never got its fair test.

‘Why I Hope to Die at 75’


By now you might be feeling a twinge of cognitive dissonance as you listen to Emanuel prattle on in defense of lockdowns, a policy that essentially cossets a small proportion of the population, the frail elderly, at the expense of everybody else, especially those in the workforce and preparing to enter it. Your sense of dissonance is due to the fact that this is exactly the population that Emanuel, the author of a chirpy 2014 Atlantic magazine piece titled “ Why I Hope to Die at 75 ,” ruled more worthy than the over-75s, who were not asking whether their “consumption was worth their contribution.”

The stats are in, and Emanuel knows them. The majority of COVID-19 fatalities have occurred among the over-80s, with a very large percentage coming from nursing homes, where life expectancy, according to many studies, doesn’t go much beyond five months.

Furthermore, another cold-eyed policy man, epidemiologist Neil Ferguson, who is largely credited with putting the U.K. in lockdown, has mused that “as much as half or two-thirds of the [COVID-19] deaths we see” might have occurred by the end of 2020 anyway “because these are people at the end of their lives or have underlying conditions.”

Given his balance sheet-obsessed Obama era statements, you’d think Emanuel would be popping champagne over this news. The Obama-era Emanuel had sermonized that the 75-and-overs should “stop getting any regular preventive tests, screenings, or interventions.” Even antibiotics would be out, as he wrote in his famous Atlantic article. “Death from these infections is quick and relatively painless. So, no to antibiotics.”

“I will die when whatever comes first takes me,” the then-57-year-old promised cheerfully.

Emanuel Is the ‘Rationer in Chief’


Times and presidents — or would-be presidents — change, however. During Obama’s first term, Emanuel was part of a general full-court press among the intelligentsia to sell a centrally run system more like U.K.’s National Health Service, famous for rationing care by age and generally encouraging a stiff-upper-lip, go-home-and-stop-whining approach to public health.

With Obamacare struggling for passage in the Senate, “persuasive arguments for rationing medical care via the theory of the necessary ‘rational allocation of finite health care resources’ were needed,” as one professor of neurosurgery, Miguel A. Faria Jr., put it in a National Institutes of Health publication. “It is in this context that the individual-based, patient-oriented ethics of Hippocrates, including his fundamental dictum, ‘First Do No Harm,’ have to be supplanted by the utilitarian approach.”

Emanuel earned his reputation as “rationer in chief” when he wrote, “Other things being equal, we should always save five lives rather than one, but things are rarely equal.” Accordingly, a system he proposed “produces a priority curve on which individuals aged roughly 15 and 40 years get the most substantial chance, whereas the youngest and oldest people get chances that are attenuated.”

Emanuel conceded that his plan appeared to discriminate against the elderly but explained: “Unlike allocation by sex or race, allocation by age is not invidious discrimination. … Treating 65-year-olds differently because of stereotypes or falsehoods would be ageist; treating them differently because they have already had more life-years is not.”

Keeping You on Lockdown Is a Lucrative Business


Get the difference? If you don’t, it’s probably because you miss subtleties apparent to people like Emanuel, who got degrees in philosophy from Harvard University. To me, it looks like a reversal straight out of “1984,” on the order of “Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.”

Emanuel’s priorities clearly lie with the Democratic Party, wherever it may roam ideologically, and with himself. Another reason the doctor seems so committed to the lockdown is that he’s now in the business via a newly formed company called COVID-19 Recovery Consulting, which helps “business reopen safely, responsibly, efficiently, and in compliance with the law.” In other words, it makes money helping people emerge from lockdowns — the same lockdowns Emanuel pushes.

Given the bombastic warnings of the “coming second wave,” warnings he helps generate, Emanuel will have plenty of work for a long time to come.


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XXJefferson51
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1  seeder  XXJefferson51    4 years ago

Emanuel Wants Another Lockdown

Although there is a growing scientific consensus that extended lockdowns have caused more harm than good and that they don’t even contain virus spread particularly well (see Sweden’s bell curve, for instance, which looks just everybody other country’s bell curve), Emanuel’s main recommendation is a new lockdown.

“Until case numbers recede to a level at which we have the capacity to effectively test and trace … nonessential businesses and interstate travel should be closed; restaurant service should be limited to takeout. People should stay home, going out only to get food and medicine or to exercise and get fresh air. … Then, and only then, we can try a little more opening,” Emanuel said in a recent interview.

He would also throw in a nationwide mask mandate, indoors and outdoors, because our mask mandates heretofore have been “a hodgepodge.” True masking will only occur after deep cultural change, when masking is “normalized to the point that it’s abnormal to not wear a mask out in public,” Emanuel toldMcKinsey consulting.

Haven’t most of us been slogging through some rather extended lockdowns? Not good enough! says the zealous doctor. We’ve “never sort of stuck it out nationwide.”

In a peevish letter , addressed “to America’s decision-makers” on Sept. 30, Emanuel and his co-signatories want to know why “in many states, people can drink in bars, get a haircut, eat inside a restaurant, get a tattoo, get a massage, and do myriad other normal, pleasant, but non-essential activities.” In his insistence that we just didn’t do lockdown right, Emanuel sounds a bit like the old communists who frequent the coffee shops of the Upper West Side of Manhattan muttering about the real communism that never got its fair test.

‘Why I Hope To Die At 75’

By now you might be feeling a twinge of cognitive dissonance as you listen to Emanuel prattle on in defense of lockdowns, a policy that essentially cossets a small proportion of the population, the frail elderly, at the expense of everybody else, especially those in the workforce and preparing to enter it. Your sense of dissonance is due to the fact that this is exactly the population that Emanuel, the author of a chirpy 2014 Atlantic magazine piece titled “ Why I Hope to Die at 75 ,” ruled more worthy than the over-75s, who were not asking whether their “consumption was worth their contribution.”...

Emanuel’s priorities clearly lie with the Democratic Party, wherever it may roam ideologically, and with himself. Another reason the doctor seems so committed to the lockdown is that he’s now in the business via a newly formed company called COVID-19 Recovery Consulting, which helps “business reopen safely, responsibly, efficiently, and in compliance with the law.” In other words, it makes money helping people emerge from lockdowns — the same lockdowns Emanuel pushes.

Given the bombastic warnings of the “coming second wave,” warnings he helps generate, Emanuel will have plenty of work for a long time to come.

https://thenewstalkers.com/vic-eldred/group_discuss/10690/biden-adviser-obamacare-architect-now-makes-money-by-keeping-you-on-lockdown

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1    4 years ago

Biden has said that if the science showed it that he’d lock the whole country down again in response to the China virus.  Well here’s the guy who will give him the “science” cover to do just that.  So, bottom line is that a vote for Biden is a vote for a national lockdown until we get a vaccine they approve of however long they want to take to approve it and a wrecked national economy for them to try to rebuild in their fascist image. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2  Tessylo    4 years ago

"Although there is a  growing scientific consensus  that extended lockdowns have caused more harm than good and that they don’t even contain virus spread particularly well (see Sweden’s bell curve, for instance, which looks just everybody other country’s bell curve), Emanuel’s main recommendation is a new lockdown."

Here is some information regarding your "growing scientific consensus"

The Great Barrington Declaration 

The Great Barrington Declaration: A manifesto of death

16 October 2020
This week, the White House officially embraced a policy of herd immunity in the COVID-19 pandemic, effectively declaring that the mass infection of the population is a positive good.

This took the form of a public endorsement of the Great Barrington Declaration, a manifesto by the free market American Institute for Economic Research, which calls for the abandonment of all measures to contain the pandemic. The declaration was developed in close coordination with Trump adviser Scott Atlas.

The eight-paragraph declaration cites no scientific data and does not seriously attempt to argue its case. It is, rather, a series of assertions constructed retroactively from the demand by US big business to abandon public health measures to contain the pandemic: “Schools and universities should be open for in-person teaching. Extracurricular activities, such as sports, should be resumed. Young low-risk adults should work normally, rather than from home. Restaurants and other businesses should open. Arts, music, sport and other cultural activities should resume.”

The document makes no mention of any public health measures to contain the disease, from testing to contact tracing to quarantine for the sick. This is not an omission, it is deliberate. That is because, from the standpoint of the authors of the article, mass infection, with its ensuing mass death, is a benefit to be sought.

Trump was asked at a televised town hall last night whether the policy of the administration was in fact “herd immunity.” He responded by making clear that it was, repeating again the mantra first proposed by the   New York Times’   Thomas Friedman that “the cure can’t be worse than the problem itself”—that is, that there will be no return to restrictions on economic activity aimed at slowing the spread of the virus.

The official embrace of herd immunity is an admission that the White House’s sabotaging of testing efforts, its failure to provide protective equipment and its misleading of the public were all deliberately designed to sacrifice human lives for the sake of the “economy.”

Most importantly, the White House’s embrace of the document is a statement of intent for mass homicide. It plans to allow additional hundreds of thousands of people to die amid a global resurgence of the pandemic caused by the premature abandonment of business closures and other efforts to contain the pandemic.

The herd immunity strategy has rightly drawn scathing condemnations from the world’s premier public health organizations. On October 15, the British medical journal the  Lancet   issued a statement condemning the policy as “a dangerous fallacy unsupported by scientific evidence.”

It argued that “there is no evidence for lasting protective immunity to SARS-CoV-2 following natural infection. Therefore, “Such a strategy would not end the COVID-19 pandemic but result in recurrent epidemics, as was the case with numerous infectious diseases before the advent of vaccination.”

The   Lancet   concluded decisively, “The evidence is very clear: controlling community spread of COVID-19 is the best way to protect our societies and economies until safe and effective vaccines and therapeutics arrive within the coming months.”

The   Lancet ’s statement followed an earlier declaration by 17 leading public health organizations, including the Big Cities Health Coalition and the American Public Health Association. They state: “If followed, the recommendations in the Great Barrington Declaration would haphazardly and unnecessarily sacrifice lives. The declaration is not a strategy, it is a political statement. It ignores sound public health expertise.”

The public health organizations’ statement concludes that “There is no evidence that we are even remotely close to herd immunity. To the contrary, experts believe that 85 to 90 percent of the US population is still at risk of contracting SARS-Cov-2.”

It adds, “We have seen the failure of the herd immunity experiment in nations such as Sweden, which has the highest mortality rate among Nordic countries,” concluding, “It is illogical to ignore public health and scientific evidence when so many lives are at stake.”

As Dr. William Schaffner, an infectious disease expert at Vanderbilt University, made clear, “Two to six million deaths is a perfectly reasonable back-of-the-envelope calculation” for how many people would die if the US proceeded with its herd immunity policy.

The open embrace of herd immunity by the White House is a declaration of war on the working class by the capitalist oligarchy. It makes clear that capitalism will no longer abide even the pretense that all human lives have value. If workers are not content to return to workplaces where the virus is rapidly spreading, they will be compelled to do so by economic compulsion or far-right and state violence.

This is why the promotion of herd immunity has been accompanied by the cutoff of all federal emergency aid and the ending of restrictions on utility shutoffs and evictions. This week, leaders of both parties made clear they have no interest in passing another economic assistance package, while states, one after another, are gutting all protections for vulnerable workers.

With the revelation last week of a far-advanced plot by militia to kill Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer and Virginia Governor Ralph Northam, it has become clear that a section of the ruling class views the mobilization of fascistic organizations as a necessary weapon in the enforcement of the policy of the financial oligarchy.

While the Trump administration has spearheaded the policy of mass infection, it has the broad support of the entire ruling class. Biden, when asked at his own Town Hall Thursday night how he would have responded to the pandemic, replied only that more resources needed to be made available to allow businesses and schools to reopen. The Democrats propose no measures to contain the spread of the virus, and Biden rejected any return to a “lockdown,” by which is meant a shutdown of non-essential production to protect workers.

As for the pseudo-left organizations in and around the Democratic Party,   Jacobin   magazine, affiliated with the Democratic Socialists of America, has publicly promoted Martin Kulldorff, one of the lead authors of the Great Barrington Declaration, who absurdly claimed that herd immunity is a “left-wing” position.

The fact that the herd immunity policy has found support not only within the capitalist oligarchy, but among sections of the upper-middle class speaks to the profound disorientation of this social layer. As in the 1930s, sections of the middle class, disoriented by cataclysmic events and hostile to Marxism, are gravitating toward the “cult of death” and violence embodied in fascist movements.

Workers around the world must welcome the categorical and courageous stand taken by public health experts in opposition to the ruling class’s policy of herd immunity. But this struggle will not be won by arguments.

The ruling class’s drive to allow the mass infection of the population can be imposed only by violence. In response, the working class must harness its own social and political strength in opposition to this homicidal policy.

Workers must form rank-and-file committees in every factory and workplace, fighting to ensure their own health and safety. The struggle against the pandemic is fundamentally not only a medical, but a political struggle, inseparable from the fight for the socialist transformation of society.

 
 
 
MonsterMash
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2.1  MonsterMash  replied to  Tessylo @2    4 years ago

Wsws.org (WorldSocialistWebSite.org) is your source? LMAO jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  MonsterMash @2.1    4 years ago

Exactly and it’s a total and willfully blatant misrepresentation of the efforts and actions of the Trump administration in combating this plague from China.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  MonsterMash @2.1    4 years ago

Yet you take Breitbart, NY Post, the Federalist, and Townhall as gospel.

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Tessylo
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2.1.3  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.1    4 years ago

What efforts and actions?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.4  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.2    4 years ago

They are from a real news perspective.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.5  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.3    4 years ago

QUOTE

My Administration will stop at nothing to save lives and shield the vulnerable.

President Donald J. Trump

KEY TAKEAWAYS:

  • Took early action to cut off travel from China
  • Built the world’s leading testing system from nothing
  • Enacted mitigation measures to slow the spread
  • Mobilized public and private sectors to secure needed supplies
  • Took action to protect vulnerable Americans
  • Launched effort to deliver a vaccine and therapeutics in record time
  • Provided support to workers and businesses
  • Paved way for reopening to get America working again
  • Surged resources to hot spots as they arose
  • Confronted China as origin of the virus while Democrats and media cowered
At the outset, President Trump took action to stop travel from China to stem the spread to the United States as long as possible.
  • While Democrats were focused on their impeachment sham, President Trump took swift and decisive action to stop travel from China in January and enhanced airport screenings to help stop cases from coming into the United States as long as possible.
  • In his February 4th State of the Union address, President Trump pledged to “take all necessary steps to safeguard our citizens from the virus,” while the Democrats’ response made not a single mention of the virus or even the threat of China.
President Trump built the world’s leading testing system from nothing, based on a virus we have never faced before.
  • In order to accurately trace and combat this virus, President Trump set out to build the world’s best testing system, and that’s exactly what he did.
  • We have already conducted more than 65 million tests, far outpacing any other country.
As soon as cases began to rise, President Trump released guidance to slow the spread.
  • President Trump released guidance recommending mitigation measures critical to slowing the spread of the virus, and the American people stepped up to do their part.
  • Dr. Fauci and Dr. Birx have attested to the fact that President Trump took action as soon as the data was presented to him.
In order to secure the supplies needed to confront the surge in coronavirus we faced, President Trump led the largest mobilization of public and private sector resources since WWII.
  • The President directed his Administration to secure and distribute needed medical supplies to states in need – resulting in billions of PPE delivered so far.
  • At the President’s urging, private companies shifted production to supplying masks, ventilators, hand sanitizer, testing supplies, and more.
  • President Trump has acted under the Defense Production Act more than 30 times to ensure we have the supplies we need.
  • When we faced a potentially catastrophic shortage of ventilators, President Trump took action to produce 100,000 ventilators and ensure no patient who needs one goes without a ventilator.
President Trump moved swiftly to protect vulnerable communities.
  • The Administration quickly established guidelines for nursing homes and expanded telehealth opportunities to protect our vulnerable seniors.
  • The President took action to ensure that uninsured Americans are able to get the COVID-19 care and testing they need.
  • President Trump directed Secretary Carson to focus the White House Opportunity and Revitalization Council on underserved communities impacted by COVID-19.
  • The Administration is investing approximately $2 billion in community health centers, helping their 28 million patients in medically underserved areas receive the care and testing they need.
Early in the fight against the virus, President Trump launched a historic effort to develop a vaccine and therapeutics in record time.
  • President Trump understood early on that in order to defeat this virus once and for all and protect Americans, we need a vaccine and therapeutics.
  • President Trump revolutionized the clinical trial process to ensure Americans get a safe vaccine as quickly as possible, by providing unprecedented investments in leading vaccine candidates to simultaneously produce them as they are tested and developed.
  • Thanks to President Trump’s efforts, coronavirus vaccine trials have progressed at record speeds, with multiple candidates already in or near the final stage of clinical trials.
President Trump responded to the devastating toll the virus took on our businesses and workers and secured unprecedented financial support.
  • The President negotiated and launched the Paycheck Protection Program – helping save 51 million American jobs.
  • President Trump secured direct payments to help the countless Americans who are hurting due to the pandemic.
  • President Trump took executive action to give tax relief to workers, ensure unemployment benefits for those out of work, prevent families from losing their homes to eviction or foreclosure, and provide student debt relief for Americans already hurting due to the virus.
Understanding the harmful toll a never-ending shutdown would have on our Nation, President Trump provided support to help states safely reopen as soon as they were able.
  • As we built out our critical medical supplies, flattened the curve, and rapidly expanded testing, states across the country were able to safely move towards reopening.
  • President Trump ensured they had the data and resources to reopen on the correct timeframe.
As hot spots have emerged, President Trump has surged resources to impacted areas while enabling us to prevent another nationwide shutdown.
  • The President has provided support to states facing new emergences of the virus, including surging testing sites, deploying medical personnel, and advising on mitigation strategies.
While the media and Democrats refuse to do so, President Trump has called out China for its actions to ensure we prevent a similar threat from arising again.
  • President Trump has rightly called out China’s handling of the virus for refusing to be transparent and failing to contain the virus before it spread.
  • The President held the WHO accountable for its egregious bias towards China that jeopardizes the safety of Americans.

  • https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/president-trumps-historic-coronavirus-response/
 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.6  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.4    4 years ago
"They are from a real news perspective." 

No, they're not.

They're fake news.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.7  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.6    4 years ago

No, CNN, The NY Times, Facebook, Twitter, the lamestream media are fake news.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.8  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.7    4 years ago

No, Breitbart, Townhall, the Federalist, the NY Post, all 'right wing' sources, are fake news.  

Facebook and Twitter aren't 'news' sites.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.9  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.8    4 years ago

Facebook and Twitter are about to become treated as such now that they are using their position to censor news and take editorial positions on issues.  Right leaning news sources regardless what any gatekeeper stupidly says about them are just as legitimate as news sources as are left leaning news sources.  Period.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.10  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.5    4 years ago

Our President has done a great job!  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.11  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  MonsterMash @2.1    4 years ago

Sadly they trust that more than their own President 

 
 
 
Dulay
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2.1.12  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.11    4 years ago

He lies more. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.13  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Dulay @2.1.12    4 years ago

He keeps his promises.  That’s what matters.  

 
 
 
Dulay
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2.1.14  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.13    4 years ago

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Tessylo
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2.1.15  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.5    4 years ago

Sorry I asked.  That's all rubbish.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.16  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.13    4 years ago

"He keeps his promises.  That’s what matters."

Never has.  Never will.  

 
 
 
Dulay
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3  Dulay    4 years ago
Here’s a LinkedIn profile I’d like to see.

The LinkedIn profile she'd actually like to see is one in which she isn't a failed author and lightweight faux 'journalist'. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Dulay @3    4 years ago

Yet another attack the author/ source comment that responds to absolutely nothing said in the seeded article. I’ve seen the Biden clown interviewed before at the beginning of the pandemic and he was back then during the 45 days to flatten the curve time frame advocating for a complete and total nationwide lockdown for the entire 18-24 month time he thought it would take to develop a vaccine.  His words were lock down until we have a vaccine.  Thank God no one listened to him then.  

 
 
 
Dulay
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3.1.1  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1    4 years ago
Yet another attack the author/ source comment that responds to absolutely nothing said in the seeded article.

I QUOTED the seeded article. 

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XXJefferson51
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3.1.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Dulay @3.1.1    4 years ago

Except you left out the actual quote itself to take a shot at the author.  Here it is:                            
“In a fantasy world where everyone is obligated to tell the truth, Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel’s top-of-the-page summary would read, “Professional medical ethicist. Served two American presidents by crafting intellectual framework and persuasive moral arguments in service of world-changing health care policy. Will craft bioethical philosophy and matching rhetoric to suit your needs!”

https://thenewstalkers.com/vic-eldred/group_discuss/10690/biden-adviser-obamacare-architect-now-makes-money-by-keeping-you-on-lockdown?g=63#cm1436276

 
 
 
Dulay
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3.1.3  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.2    4 years ago
Except you left out the actual quote itself to take a shot at the author.

Nope, I posted what I wanted to respond to. You and yours truncate the fuck out of statements all of the time so spare me the hypocrisy. 

BTW, the link you posted @ 3.2.3 cites what the ACTUAL LinkedIn profile summary would read:

Ezekiel J. Emanuel, M.D., Ph.D.
Vice Provost of Global Initiatives
Chair, Department of Medical Ethics and Health Policy
Levy University Professor
Co-Director, Healthcare Transformation Institute
Perelman School of Medicine and The Wharton School
University of Pennsylvania

Some lightweight faux 'journalist's' petty desire notwithstanding. 

BTFW, it also PROVES that your authors claim in the headline about how Dr. Emanuel 'now makes a living' is a LIE. Well done. Keep it coming...

 
 
 
Split Personality
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3.1.4  Split Personality  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1    4 years ago

It all starts with comment 2.1 which instead of you controlling the conversation, you voted up.

Now you have a thread of 11 or 12 off topic comments in the second thread

and have now contributed to derailing your own seed again...in the third thread.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Dulay @3    4 years ago

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StephanieGutmann

Stephanie Gutmann has written for publications ranging from National Review and the New Republic to Playboy, Elle and the New York Times’ Styles section. She is the author of two books, The Kinder, Gentler Military (Scribner) and The Other War: Israelis, Palestinians and the Struggle for Media Supremacy (Encounter). She lives in Rockland County, New York

 
 
 
Dulay
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3.2.1  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.2    4 years ago

Yes I KNOW Xx. Her books don't sell. Neither of her books broke the top 2000 in their subject matter. 

The FACT that the most credible source she has written for is the NYT STYLE section bolsters her lightweight status as a 'journalist'. 

BTW, you forgot the link, fix that please. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.2.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Dulay @3.2.1    4 years ago

No I didn’t it’s in the seed if you click on her name. That she wrote for both the liberal New Republic and the Conservative National Review gives her plenty of credibility for objective observers as does the topics she wrote about in her books.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.2.3  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Dulay @3.2.1    4 years ago

As if we didn’t need more proof that Biden intends another shutdown if elected:  

...Shut down now, and start over.

Non-essential businesses should be closed. Restaurant service should be limited to take-out. People should stay home, going out only to get food and medicine or to exercise and get fresh air. Masks should be mandatory in all situations, indoors and outdoors, where we interact with others.

We need that protocol in place until case numbers recede to a level at which we have the capacity to effectively test and trace. Then, and only then, we can try a little more opening, one small step at a time.

You should bar non-essential interstate travel. When people travel freely between states, the good numbers in one state can go bad quickly.

If you don’t take these actions, the consequences will be measured in widespread suffering and death.

We need you to lead.

Tell the American people the truth about the virus, even when it’s hard. Take bold action to save lives -- even when it means shutting down again....

https://uspirg.org/resources/usp/shut-down-start-over-do-it-right

 
 
 
Dulay
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3.2.4  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.2.2    4 years ago

She wrote ONE story for the New Republic in '97 and they haven't been a 'liberal' magazine since the early 90's. 

The topics of her books speak nothing to her credibility. If merely writing a book about the military lends credibility to an author, you would be heralding the #1 best selling author of 'Drift', Rachel Maddow. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.2.5  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.2    4 years ago

She's ugly!

 
 
 
Dulay
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3.2.6  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.2.3    4 years ago

Do you realize that you just linked a document that has 75 pages of signatures of medical professionals that AGREE with the first person to sign it? 

Ezekiel J. Emanuel, M.D., Ph.D.
Vice Provost of Global Initiatives
Chair, Department of Medical Ethics and Health Policy
Levy University Professor
Co-Director, Healthcare Transformation Institute
Perelman School of Medicine and The Wharton School
University of Pennsylvania

Does the Wharton School @ the University of Pennsylvania ring a bell Xx? 

Someone who you revere insists it's one of the GREATEST Universities in the US. 

BTFW Xx, I don't see Joe Biden's signature on that document.

Since you herald the FACT that Trump doesn't follow the guidance of the members of HIS Covid taskforce, WHY do you insist that Biden will follow the advise of ONE member of his? 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.2.7  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @3.2.5    4 years ago

What both of you say about her detracts nothing about what she said regarding the man who is almost certain to lead the efforts to shut us down again should Biden be elected President. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.2.8  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Dulay @3.2.6    4 years ago

I’m aware that this minority opinion is likely to be the basis for the so called science that Biden relies upon to actually re lock down all of America.  I’ve already provided all the actions Trump has taken elsewhere in the seed.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.2.9  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.2.7    4 years ago

Detracts nothing from her lies.

She's still ugly.  

 
 
 
Dulay
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3.2.10  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.2.8    4 years ago
I’m aware that this minority opinion is likely to be the basis for the so called science that Biden relies upon to actually re lock down all of America.  

What evidence do you have that it IS a minority opinion Xx? 

Oh and you didn't answer my other question Xx. 

I’ve already provided all the actions Trump has taken elsewhere in the seed.

You provided WH propaganda. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.2.11  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Dulay @3.2.10    4 years ago

I provided information from our/ your  elected American government.

 
 
 
Dulay
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3.2.12  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.2.11    4 years ago
I provided information from our/ your  elected American government.

Like I said, propaganda. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.2.13  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Dulay @3.2.12    4 years ago

No, that was the crap here from the socialist site.  

 
 
 
Split Personality
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3.2.14  Split Personality  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.2.13    4 years ago

The crap from the WH website is equally suspect propaganda the likes of which many have ever seen from the WH.

Very long on opinion and very lacking in facts.

 
 
 
Dulay
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3.2.15  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.2.13    4 years ago

No Xx. My reply is about the crap YOU posted. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.2.16  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @3.2.5    4 years ago

No, she’s not a liberal....

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.2.17  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Dulay @3.2.15    4 years ago

I stand by everything I posted as correct information, especially the stuff from the White House website.  

 
 
 
Dulay
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3.2.18  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.2.17    4 years ago

So you have gradations of how much you stand behind your posts. Please share the scale Xx. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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4  Greg Jones    4 years ago

To sum it all up...the shutdowns are not at all effective, and......

the beleaguered American people won't put up with any left wing government attempts to impose more

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Greg Jones @4    4 years ago

That sums it all up perfectly and we won’t.  Biden and the guy highlighted in my seed can preach and scream and yell to their hearts content should they gain power but we will simply not willingly comply with any of their mandates.  We will listen to our local, county, state leaders who make recommendations/ and suggestions/ suggested guidelines  as to what they see as the best science on the issue from their perspective as per our federalist constitutional system.  

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.1.1  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.1    4 years ago
That sums it all up perfectly and we won’t.

Bullshit isn't perfection Xx. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.1.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Dulay @4.1.1    4 years ago

Yes it is! 

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.1.3  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.1.2    4 years ago

The NT thought for the day:

Xx insist that bullshit is perfection. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.2  Dulay  replied to  Greg Jones @4    4 years ago

Though I highly doubt you will, you really should go review what happened in Arizona. After trying to the wild west approach and a raging outbreak they had a 75% reduction in new cases after they mandated masks and shut down bars and restaurants. 

Your dog don't hunt. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.2.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Dulay @4.2    4 years ago

But that’s no where near a total lockdown.  

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.2.2  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.2.1    4 years ago
But that’s no where near a total lockdown.

Neither is what Dr. Ezekiel J. Emanuel is calling for, IS it Xx? 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.2.3  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Dulay @4.2.2    4 years ago

Yes, what the doctor is calling for is in fact a nationwide long term total lockdown along with a total mask mandate everywhere indoors and outdoors.  You did read the seed and the letter he helped write?  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.2.4  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Dulay @4.2.2    4 years ago

With the pandemic ongoing, and health policy and virus restrictions front and center in this election, Emanuel’s position within Biden’s team matters.

Emanuel Wants Another Lockdown

Although there is a growing scientific consensus that extended lockdowns have caused more harm than good and that they don’t even contain virus spread particularly well (see Sweden’s bell curve, for instance, which looks just everybody other country’s bell curve), Emanuel’s main recommendation is a new lockdown.

“Until case numbers recede to a level at which we have the capacity to effectively test and trace … nonessential businesses and interstate travel should be closed; restaurant service should be limited to takeout. People should stay home, going out only to get food and medicine or to exercise and get fresh air. … Then, and only then, we can try a little more opening,” Emanuel said in a recent interview.

He would also throw in a nationwide mask mandate, indoors and outdoors, because our mask mandates heretofore have been “a hodgepodge.” True masking will only occur after deep cultural change, when masking is “normalized to the point that it’s abnormal to not wear a mask out in public,” Emanuel toldMcKinsey consulting.

Haven’t most of us been slogging through some rather extended lockdowns? Not good enough! says the zealous doctor. We’ve “never sort of stuck it out nationwide.”

In a peevish letter , addressed “to America’s decision-makers” on Sept. 30, Emanuel and his co-signatories want to know why “in many states, people can drink in bars, get a haircut, eat inside a restaurant, get a tattoo, get a massage, and do myriad other normal, pleasant, but non-essential activities.” In his insistence that we just didn’t do lockdown right, Emanuel sounds a bit like the old communists who frequent the coffee shops of the Upper West Side of Manhattan muttering about the real communism that never got its fair test....

Emanuel’s priorities clearly lie with the Democratic Party, wherever it may roam ideologically, and with himself. Another reason the doctor seems so committed to the lockdown is that he’s now in the business via a newly formed company called COVID-19 Recovery Consulting, which helps “business reopen safely, responsibly, efficiently, and in compliance with the law.” In other words, it makes money helping people emerge from lockdowns — the same lockdowns Emanuel pushes.

Given the bombastic warnings of the “coming second wave,” warnings he helps generate, Emanuel will have plenty of work for a long time to come...

https://thenewstalkers.com/vic-eldred/group_discuss/10690/biden-adviser-obamacare-architect-now-makes-money-by-keeping-you-on-lockdown#cm1436568

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.2.5  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.2.4    4 years ago

I don’t know how anyone can read that and maintain that the bad doctor isn’t calling for a total lockdown...

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.2.6  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.2.3    4 years ago
Yes, what the doctor is calling for is in fact a nationwide long term total lockdown along with a total mask mandate everywhere indoors and outdoors.  You did read the seed and the letter he helped write?  

Why yes Xx, YES I did. YOU obviously didn't. 

Here is the pertinent part Xx:

Non-essential businesses should be closed. Restaurant service should be limited to take-out. People should stay home, going out only to get food and medicine or to
exercise and get fresh air. Masks should be mandatory in all situations, indoors and
outdoors, where we interact with others.

A TOTAL lockdown wouldn't include allowing 'essential businesses' or restaurants to stay open to take out. 

If you're going to use the English language, stand by the definitions of it's words. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.2.7  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.2.5    4 years ago

I'm so glad that you two are in agreement. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.2.8  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.2.4    4 years ago

You still haven't explained to me why you think that rinsing and repeating the same bullshit makes it any more true? 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.2.9  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Dulay @4.2.6    4 years ago

Your post is ridiculous.  What he’s describing is as close to a total lockdown as a society could ever engage in and hope to survive.  All objective and rational human beings would agree that what the doctor describes in his words and writings is literally a total lockdown on a national scale.  If there was a total lockdown by your criteria of one the whole country would be dead within a couple of months from hunger not being able to buy food since essential businesses would have to be closed, farmers couldn’t get produce to markets, people would run out of meds, due of cold if they couldn’t get heat for their homes and power grids would fail, vehicles couldn’t be serviced or refueled.  So stop the ridiculous word games.  Not that the good doctors fantasy would ever come to pass even as he envisions it because we would refuse to comply with it and engage in peaceful protest and passive non violent civil disobedience putting the ball in Bidens court as to the measures and extent he is willing to go to attempt to coerce and compel obedience and compliance that won’t be voluntarily forthcoming.  

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.2.10  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.2.9    4 years ago
Your post is ridiculous.  What he’s describing is as close to a total lockdown as a society could ever engage in and hope to survive. 

Close to a 'total lockdown' is NOT a 'total lockdown'. Since each state defines what is an essential business, there were and are great differences in what businesses were allowed to stay open and which weren't. And the fact is, there are states that didn't shut down anything at all and those states are paying a price for that right now. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.2.11  Tessylo  replied to  Dulay @4.2.2    4 years ago

Although There Is A    Growing Scientific Consensus    That Extended Lockdowns Have Caused More Harm Than Good And That They Don’t Even Contain Virus Spread Particularly Well (See Sweden’s Bell Curve, For Instance, Which Looks Just Everybody Other Country’s Bell Curve), Emanuel’s Main Recommendation Is A New Lockdown."

Here is some information regarding your "growing scientific consensus"

Https://Www.Wsws.Org/En/Articles/2020/10/16/Pers-O16.Html  

The Great Barrington Declaration 

 

The Great Barrington Declaration: A Manifesto Of Death

Calling for herd immunity which puts millions at risk.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.2.12  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Dulay @4.2.10    4 years ago

We’re done here... 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.2.13  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @4.2.11    4 years ago

Are we done yet with that socialist manifesto?  

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.2.14  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.2.12    4 years ago

Cognitive dissonance is overwhelming isn't it? 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.2.15  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Dulay @4.2.14    4 years ago

Fauci The Grinch Who Stole Thanksgiving – Ben Garrison Cartoon

Ben GarrisonOctober 19, 2020

And The Grinch Even Took The Last Can Of WHO Hash

fauci_gavin_newsom-thanksgiving.jpgDr. Fauci wants to prevent you and your family from gathering together at Thanksgiving. Gavin Newsom is eager to shut it down in California. The virus scam has encouraged a lot of political predators to show their tyrannical fangs all around the world. Take Australia, for example. A woman in a park was recently arrested there by ‘authorities’ because she didn’t properly observe social distancing.

The tyrants continue to drum up fear and they’re using it to shut us down. They will take away as much liberty as we let them take. In the case of the medical half-pint homunculus named Fauci, he’s a diminutive quack with a giant ambition—controlling everyone. He in turn is controlled by his globalist masters—especially the eugenicist Bill Gates....

read more: https://www.conservativedailynews.com/2020/10/fauci-the-grinch-who-stole-thanksgiving-ben-garrison-cartoon/

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.2.16  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.2.15    4 years ago

As much as I love Thanksgiving at my mother's house, that will NOT happen that way this year. We will be cooking as usual but we will not have our usual 8-10 guests, ALL of whom are over 55 and have pre-existing conditions that make us more vulnerable. I will be delivering plates to 2 sets of couples and my uncle won't be coming in from Chicago. We will get plates from mom and take them home. 

If all of the motherfuckers that don't wear masks and social distance would have gotten with the program, we could have and would have had our usual Thanksgiving.

So don't blame Fauci and put the blame where it belongs. In the laps of the anti-maskers. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.2.17  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Dulay @4.2.16    4 years ago

We are going to openly celebrate thanksgiving in complete defiance of their lunacy!  

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.2.18  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.2.17    4 years ago

Darwinian.

 
 

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