Rand Paul Unleashes On Dr. Fauci, Immediately Turns Him Into a Triggered Hysterical Mess
By: Kyle Becker
Don’t FAUCI me! What a complete and total fraud. Way to go Senator Paul in exposing this fraudulent hack.
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Rand Paul Unleashes On Dr. Fauci, Immediately Turns Him Into a Triggered Hysterical Mess
by Kyle Becker 21 minutes agoupdated 14 minutes ago
Senator Rand Paul once again lit into Dr. Anthony Fauci, Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, at a Senate hearing on Tuesday.
The Kentucky senator warned the doctor about the criminal implications of lying to Congress before confronting him on evidence that NIAID had indeed funded ‘gain of function’ research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology in China, which some believe to be the source of the COVID-19 outbreak.
“Dr. Fauci, as you’re aware, it is a crime to lie to Congress,” Senator Paul said. “Section 1001 of the U.S. Criminal Code creates a felony and a five-year penalty for lying to Congress.”
“On your last trip to our committee on May 11th, you stated that the NIH has not ever and has not now funded gain of function research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology,” Paul continued. “And yet, gain of function research was done entirely in the Wuhan Institute by Dr. Shi and was funded by the NIH.”
“I’d like to ask unanimous consent, insert into the record that Wuhan virology paper entitled ‘Discovery of a rich gene pool of bat SARS-related coronaviruses’,” he continued. “Please deliver a copy of the journal article to Dr. Fauci. In this paper, Dr. Shi credits the NIH and lists the actual number of the grant that she was given by the NIH. In this paper, she took two bat Coronavirus genes, spike genes, and combined them with SARS-related backbone to create new viruses that are not found in nature. These lab-created viruses were then to show to replicate in humans.”
“These experiments combined genetic information from different coronaviruses that infect animals, but not humans, to create novel artificial viruses able to infect human cells,” Paul added. “Viruses that in nature only infect animals were manipulated in the Wuhan lab to gain the function of infecting humans. This research fits the definition of the research that the NIH said was subject to the pause in 2014-2017, a pause in funding on gain of function.”
“But the NIH failed to recognize this defines it away, and it never came under any scrutiny,” he continued. “Doctor Richard Ebright, a molecular biologist from Rutgers described this research in Wuhan as ‘The Wuhan lab used NIH funding to construct novel, chimeric SARS-related coronaviruses able to infect human cells and laboratory animals. This is high-risk research that creates new potential pandemic pathogens, potential pandemic pathogens that exist only in the lab, not in nature. This research matches — these are Dr. Ebright’s words — this research matches, indeed epitomizes, the definition of gain of function research done entirely in Wuhan, for which there was supposed to be a federal pause. Dr. Fauci, knowing that it’s a crime to lie to Congress, do you wish to retract your statement of May 11th where you claimed that the NIH never funded gain of function research in Wuhan?” he asked.
“Senator Paul, I have never lied before the Congress and I do not retract that statement,” Fauci denied. “This paper that you’re referring to was judged by qualified staff up and down the chain as not being gain of function. What was — ”
“So you — ” Paul interjected.
“Let me finish!” Fauci burst.
“So you take an animal virus and you increase the transmissibility to humans, you’re saying that’s not gain of function?” Paul asked.
“Yeah, that is correct,” Fauci continued. “And Senator Paul, you do not know what you’re talking about, quite frankly. And I want to say that officially. You do not know what you are talking about. Okay, you get one person — ”
“The NIH,” Paul began.
“Can I answer?” Fauci cut in.
“This is your definition that you guys wrote,” Paul said. “It says that scientific research that increases the transmissibility among mammals is gain of function. They took animal viruses that only occur in animals and they increase their transmissibility to humans. How you can say that is not gain of function?”
“It is not,” Fauci claimed.
“It’s a dance, and you’re dancing around this, because you’re trying to obscure responsibility for 4 million people dying around the world from a pandemic,” Paul said.
“I have to — well, now you’re getting into something,” Fauci replied. “If the point that you are making is that the — the grant that was funded as a sub-award from EcoHealth to Wuhan created SARS-CoV-2, that’s where you are getting — let me finish.”
“We don’t know if it did come from the lab, but all the evidence is pointing that it came from the lab and there will be responsibility for those who funded the lab, including yourself,” Paul continued.
“I totally resent…” Fauci objected.
“This committee will allow the witness to respond,” an unknown member of the body said.
“I totally resent the lie that you are now propagating, senator, because if you look at the viruses that were used in the experiments that were given in the annual reports that were published in the literature, it is molecularly impossible,” Fauci claimed.
“No one’s saying those viruses caused it,” Paul clarified. “No one is alleging that those viruses caused the pandemic. What we’re alleging is the gain of function research was going on in that lab and NIH funded it.”
“That is not…” Fauci denied.
“You can’t get away from it,” Paul said. “It meets your definition and you are obfuscating the truth.”
“I’m not obfuscating truth. You are the one,” Fauci said before someone remarked that Senator Paul’s time had expired. Fauci was given time to respond.
“Let me just finish,” Fauci said. “I want everyone to understand that if you look at those viruses — and that’s judged by qualified virologist, an evolutionary biologist — those viruses are molecularly impossible to result in SARS-CoV-2.”
“No one is saying they are,” Paul said. “No one is saying those viruses caused the pandemic. We’re saying they are gain-of-function viruses because they are animal viruses that became more transmissible in humans and you funded it. And you can’t admit the truth.”
“And you are implying that what we did was responsible for the deaths of individual…” Fauci responded.
“It could have beenn,” Paul said. “It could have been.”
“I totally resent that,” Fauci erupted. “And if anybody is lying here, senator, it is you!”
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Not on my browser. What are you looking at it on?
it got fixed, after I flagged it. heaven forbid some poor persecuted xtian takes a fall over it.
Don't think that had anything to do with it because I saw your flag, checked it, and allowed it to stay. But perhaps someone did jump in and fix it prior to my allowing. Don't know.
meh, I knew where I was when I flagged it...
You must have watched a different newscast about that know nothing ignorant scumbag Paul.
It is Fauci that is the one who is a scumbag!
No. Paul is an ignorant know nothing idiot. Paul isn't even an M.D.
he's a self-board certified quack.
Isn't he an optometrist schooling Dr. Fauci??????????????????????????????????
I can think of hundreds of people rand should perform surgery on.
You don’t think that he and the bureaucracy should be accountable to our elected leaders?
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Only a few senators are. Your point?
Your point?
It seems that the progressives emperor has been found to be without clothing and those that wonder after and worship him are beside themselves with deep personal grief and anger they direct at those who exposed their dear leader.
Nonsense. As usual.
Your point?
When did Dr. Fauci lie to Congress?
Dr. Fauci did not lie to congress. Lying know nothing Paul did.
Dr. Fauci rightfully said that Paul is clueless and does not know what he is talking about
HINT:NEVER
Another misleading headline by the "journalist" known as Kyle Rucker, the muck raker.
Way to contribute to discussion the seeded articles topic by trolling the author and the sources choice of news headline.
It's my observation, having just watched Rand Paul embarrass himself on national TV news again.
The headline is a lie, plain and simple.
No one was reduced to a "triggered hysterical mess".
...that's a fucking gimme on the alt-media bullshit churned out by this author.
The article is a quote of questions and answers between the two. Fauci should be locked up.
Rand Paul nailed it. They needed a democrat with a gavel to tell Paul his time was up and allow Fauci (mass murderer) to get the last word in
It's sounds so oddly familiar.
How is Fauci a mass murder?
You want to find your mass murders. They are on Fox News, those who will not admit that they got vaccinated, and then stew hysteria by sowing the seeds that the vaccine is bad for you, or that the government is trying to force you to get it, non of which is true.
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Because it looks like Fauci signed off on funding for the research performed at the Wuhan lab.
You want to find your mass murders. They are on Fox News, those who will not admit that they got vaccinated, and then stew hysteria that the vaccine is bad for you, or that the government is trying to force you.
Are you saying that Fox News told people not to get vaccinated? You'll need to prove that one. I believe they did the opposite.
Do you know who did question the vaccine? Biden & Harris. They did it just before the election to hurt Trump and now they have made it worse.
"Because it looks like Fauci signed off on funding for the research performed at the Wuhan lab."
But he didn't.
There is no logic or reason behind the idea that Fox News is a source of mass murder.
But he did and he admitted it!
"The National Institutes of Health earmarked $600,000 for the Wuhan Institute of Virology over a five-year period to study whether bat coronaviruses could be transmitted to humans, White House chief medical adviser Dr. Anthony Fauci told lawmakers Tuesday."
What Fauci is trying to do now is to redefine “gain of function” research. That happens to be what the incompetant Chinese scientist were working on.
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Where do you see Fauci signing off on (approving, literally, not indirectly) gain-of-function research to produce COVID-19? That would be the specifics of the allegation if you are going to blame Fauci now for creating COVID-19.
All I remember is Harris saying that she would not take the vaccine simply because Trump recommended it but would do so in a heartbeat if recommended by qualified professionals:
Is this what you are basing your comment on or do you have some other quote that shows Harris (and Biden) questioning the vaccine itself.
The NY Post?
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We don't because we can't see the actual documentation. We'll just have to wait until Biden/Harris/Rice are gone. We do know that fauci approved of $600,000 for the Wuhan Lab. We are living with the consequeces.
All I remember is Harris saying that she would not take the vaccine simply because Trump recommended it but would do so in a heartbeat if recommended by qualified professionals:
Clearly they were trying to prevent Trump from getting people vaccinated. Let us not play games TiG.
Then why do you make the allegation? Why don't you stick with the evidence instead of extrapolating to your desired reality?
Where do you find that (you are implying that he directly signed off for funds to go directly to Wuhan Lab for gain-of-function research leading to COVID-19)? Do you have something other than this ?:
The officials (Fauci and Collins) state that they did not approve any grant for gain-of-function research. There was no intent, per the officials in charge, to send $$ to Wuhan for gain-of-function research to produce COVID-19. There also is no evidence that Wuhan produced COVID-19. (There might be evidence forthcoming but I have yet to see any. Got any?)
No, Vic, don't start with your fucking games. I gave you Harris' quote. I asked you if you had anything else. You deliver nothing on Harris and nothing on Biden.
If you have evidence, deliver it. Don't just repeat your claims.
The Wuhan lab had funded by the NIH, under the Obama administration, which is headed by Collins, M.D., Ph. D., and was also the head and approved by President Trump. So no, it was not Dr. Fauci, he just represents the NIH for the virology dept.
I am saying that Tucker Carlson refuses to say if he got vaccinated. Millions of people watch him every night, and it would be a boost to the vaccination rate if he admitted this. Furthermore, he made this comment at 4:05
in which he said that the vaccine may not work.
Your turn to prove.
Idiot Rand Paul didn't nail dick.
it's so very important to get the 600K dead to covid blame reassigned prior to the next trump campaign.
They're so desperate to move the blame away from #45 where it belongs.
You are talking about an entirely different round of funding. I'm talking about the $600,000 that Fauci admitted to approving. Whether it was the millions that came earlier or Fauci's $600,000 the result is the same thing US funding for the dangerous testing going on at the Wuhan Lab. BTW I don't think I could have found a more slanted piece than the diplomat put out.
I am saying that Tucker Carlson refuses to say if he got vaccinated. Millions of people watch him every night, and it would be a boost to the vaccination rate if he admitted this. Furthermore, he made this comment at 4:05
Tucker Carlson is a Libertarian who regularly questions the mandates vs rights issue. I happen to be one of those listeners and I have NEVER heard Carlson tell bpeople not to get vaccinated. He simply thinks the decision is a personal one. I don't agree with him when it comes to this pandemic, but let us not take what Biden is claiming as fact. It's not Fox News or 12 mysterious people on Facebook.
It's all on Biden now! He is the president!
Where is the media questioning his handling of the pandemic??????
Who is Kyle Rucker?
Lying to Congress for starters…
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Paul has him cornered like a rat. Fauci can only hope that democrats are in power for the rest of his life.
Trump 2024 needed now more than ever!
Remember what I told you.
For some there are no consequences:
Here is an article from the NYP, which is hardly a fan of Facui saying that the funding you are talking about was to do research and not gain of function.
It goes beyond it being a personal choice, which by the way I agree with, but that he actually has shed doubt on the effectiveness of the vaccine, which he clearly stated in the Forbes clip I presented. The moment you do that, you undermine the publics' trust.
And what would you have Biden do? Force people to take the vaccine? They are trying their best to get the vaccine out there, but if there is distrust of the vaccine then nothing will change that. You can't mismange people who will not take the vaccine, and a bulk of those are people who watch Tucker.
You might feel that they are slanted but they have a great rep on the internet as being non-bais, and that is why I used them.
RATING LEAST BIAS.
I didn't realize Dr Fauci was a member of the FBI
It only reported what Fauci said
Believe it or not that is the same article I used in Post 3.1.10. The article is basically quoting Fauci. It is Fauci who is saying it wasn't for "Gain of Function Research." Are you ready to take his word. I want to see the documents. The ones that Biden hasn't released. You are right about the Post. It is the oldest and one of the most trusted Newspapers in America.
It goes beyond it being a personal choice, which by the way I agree with, but that he actually has shed doubt on the effectiveness of the vaccine, which he clearly stated in the Forbes clip I presented. The moment you do that, you undermine the publics' trust.
As I say, I disagree with Carlson in the case of it being a personal matter during a deadly pandemic. Everybody should go out and get it. However, simply saying that it's a personal choice wouldn't discourage people. You know what I think discourages people - having them wear masks after they've done the right thing and got themselves vaccinated. That gives people the idea that the vaccine doesn't mean much. Again, the virtue signaling has come back to haunt democrats. Now they want to blame everyone else.
And what would you have Biden do? Force people to take the vaccine?
Take off the mask and show people that the vaccine works. He should have stood up to the Teacher's Union and openned the schools months ago.
You can't mismange people who will not take the vaccine, and a bulk of those are people who watch Tucker.
Sorry Perrie - YOU NEED TO PROVE THAT!
How about this Perrie - maybe minorities don't trust the vaccine. Could there be evidence of that. Maybe younger people feel invincible. Could there be evidence of that? Maybe the millions of untested migrants that Biden allowed in for the past 6 months could have something to do with it?
Have a good night Perrie, see you tomorrow.
And some 150-200k of those have died since BiDen became President.
Media Bias Fact Check has less than zero credibility with conservatives, many Christians, and observant Jews.
And he inherited the vaccine! How bad was he?
That was the only issue that he had public support on and now he's going to lose that. Many of us knew this was coming. We just past the 6 month mark. What a disaster!
I know, but we are going to use it here as a point of reference....for better or worse....till death do us part!
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Paul lied to congress. Not Dr. Fauci
He does not have him cornered.
Paul is the rat/vermin/scum/trash
As many times as it will get a response to keep his seed alive and out front. That it is a lie makes it all the more enjoyable for him.
Becker, Bucker, Fucker, it's probably a pseudonym anyway.
Well, for today's history lesson, it was our conservative members who voted out the last two media bias resources
and approved MBFC.
There isn't a lot of choice in these matters.
So what did the progressive liberals vote for?
The old companies, ironic isn't it, they had no problems with the last arbiters either.
It’s more used as a point of retribution than reference since over 90% of all it targets/labels is on our side of the political and or religious aisle. Not to mention their bias on environmental issues and religions who believe against their bigoted biased dogmas. Their bigotry against Christians who are biblical literalists on origins issues and sexual issues is beyond fairness or reason.
paul is not a democrat as alleged above.
Prove that.
Which ones has Biden not released?
Hardly. We are presently seeing a surge. It is suspected that the new variant is infecting the vaccinated and while they don't get sick, they spread it to those that are not vaccinated.
No, it means it has its limitations.
I hate some of these terms of the moment and that is one of them. There is virtue in trying to wipe out this disease if we still can. If it takes a mask, then that is a small thing to do.
OK let's start with this:
True enough. Gee, I wonder why?
Some truth to that, too. They will regret that since it seems the delta variant is affecting many more young people.
There is absolutely no truth to that. Biden has not allowed millions of anyone to cross the border. In fact, there have been slightly more than 1 million incursions that have been tracked since 2021, which means they tried to cross and were stopped.
Actually, Native Americans and Alaska Natives have the highest vaccination rate of any group, including whites.
Covid is much deadlier for us than any other group, 3.5 times as high as with whites. Native people at the beginning of the pandemic suffered greatly (Navajo as an example). Vaccinating native people when into overdrive leading to us being the most vaccinated group of Americans.
But he didn't.
Dr. Fauci is not redefining DICK.
DR. FAUCI DID NOT LIE TO CONGRESS
IF ANYONE SHOULD BE LOCKED UP FOR LYING TO CONGRESS IT WOULD BE KNOW NOTHING CLUELESS RAND PAUL.
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Rand Paul is a know nothing scumbag.
Stop with your childish taunts and 'I know you are, what am I' bullshit.
Both the NIH and EcoHealth Alliance have denied that a grant to the Wuhan lab funded gain-of-function research, though a scientist told us that one paper published with assistance from the grant seems to describe techniques similar to gain-of-function.
We need to see the Grant, all the paperwork from the Eco-Health Allianc, funding of which Donald Trump cut upon hearing the rumors in April of 2020.
You know all documents associated with the above e-mail and all documents approving of such research.
Hardly.
No REALLY.
It is suspected that the new variant is infecting the vaccinated and while they don't get sick, they spread it to those that are not vaccinated.
What does the CDC say?
No, it means it has its limitations.
That's not the way people look at it. Either the vaccine works or it doesn't. People were very patient for a year. Many got vaccinated. They shouldn't have to still wear masks. That is common sense,
I hate some of these terms of the moment and that is one of them. There is virtue in trying to wipe out this disease if we still can. If it takes a mask, then that is a small thing to do.
It's a proper term. Some of the most immoral people seem to think they are morally superior and have worn the mask simply for show.
There is absolutely no truth to that. Biden has not allowed millions of anyone to cross the border.
Please reconsider that, Tell me you don't mean that.
It's hard to deny anymore.
Our glorious FBI who can seemingly find everyone connected with the Jan 6 riots - so far over 500 - but couldn't find answers to Hillary's missing emails, the Fast & Furious details, Hunter Biden overseas connections & more!
No truth there so nothing to deny.
It’s hard for him to redefine that which he is.
No. Rand Paul is right. Fauci is at least wrong and likely lying. Rand Paul rightly wrote about Fauci to the justice department sending a criminal referral for lying to Congress today.
There is a different standard in the deep state federal law enforcement and intelligence agencies as to how conservatives and liberals are treated, prosecuted, and judged.
Absolutely. I'll bet the FBI infiltrated & maybe even encouraged that crowd.
Still don't know what that has to do with Fauci and Ryan
Let me state the obvious - it doesn't.....or as Cobalt Blue used to say "Whatever"
then why post it?
Post 3.1.60 took the conversation there. Aren't you following the conversation?
This is post 3.1.60
This is where you posted that document about the FBI;
You must think I'm a special kind of stupid
too bad there isn't the Impasse option. But I agree to disaagree
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I never voted for it!
Neither did I and guess what Vic?
I don't care. Those are the rules when I signed up a decade or more ago.
Get over it!
Get over what? I live with it, no problem, but just let anyone try and tell me that it's objective. It's called free speech.
Those are the rules when I signed up a decade or more ago.
Oh, you must have tenure. Iv'e only been here since 2017.
Most likely had no idea what a vile and wickedly biased and unfair trash site it would turn out to be or what a truly evil and unfair hate filled vendetta carrying piece of human debris that Mr. Van Zandt truly is.
But the content is true.
Fauci is fucked.
Everything Kyle Becker publishes is a kernel of truth within a biased opinion or conspiracy theory.
Fauci is the longest employed civilian in the government. He's 80 years old and making $434,000 a year.
I'd like to be fucked like that.
He needs to be involuntarily retired!
What the hell for?
I bet the death threats go up against Dr. Fauci and his family for all the ignorance that is going on.
MIT biologist Kevin Esvelt reviewed this paper that was published with financial assistance from Dr. Fauci’s NIH/NIAID and concluded “certain techniques that the researchers used seemed to meet the definition of gain-of-function”
We shall see tomorrow.
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He is unworthy of the public trust.
Right now Fauci is trying to redefine the term "Gain of Function."
Dr. Fauci is a great American with a lifetime of outstanding public service.
Rand Paul can barely put two words together.
The neo-fascist attacks on Dr. Fauci are pathetic, and the neo-fascists attacking Dr. Fauci are low-life scumbags and a disgrace.
soon leading the nation in new cases...
As of May 2021, despite the pandemic, California has a $75.7 BILLION budget surplus, making the loser DeSantis look weak and pathetic.
"New Florida COVID cases nearly double in last 7 days, spike to highest number in 10 weeks"
DeSantis is a dipshit who is going to get a lot of people killed.
We're happy to have temporary residents return to their home states. California has more than enough people.
Oh FFS. How absolutely MORONIC AND JUVENILE AND ABSOLUTELY IDIOTIC AND I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH WORDS TO DECRY THIS IDIOCY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's all the red states now that are leading in new cases because of their ignorance and refusals to get vaccinated.
Show us who hasn't had the vaccine.
I'll wait.
We've heard a lot of this from the leftist, lying media. I'm very interested in knowing exactly who these people are who haven't had the vaccine. Tess claims it's people in red states.
Can she prove that?
I'll wait!
In 2016 the media was convinced that Hillary Clinton was going to win and they prided themselves as paving the way. When she got the beating she deserved the media became unhinged and began foisting these false narratives on the American public. This claim about who isn't taking the vaccine is all theirs.
Still waiting
One is California, admittedly not a red state.
"In overall numbers, the CDC reported that Florida had the most new cases in the past 7 days with 32,127. That’s almost 15,000 more than the previous week.
Texas is second with 12,386 new cases this past week, about 5,000 more than the previous week.
California is now in third place with 10,742 new cases, about 2,000 more than the previous week. Missouri is right behind with 10,676 new cases, about 3,000 more than the previous week.
Louisiana has moved into fifth place with 5,882 new cases, with Arkansas sixth at 5,648 new cases.
The CDC reports that on a per capita basis, Arkansas now leads with 187 cases per 100,000 residents over the past 7 days.
Missouri is second with 174 cases per 100,000 residents. Florida is third with 149 cases per 100,000 residents, followed by Nevada with 129 cases per 100,000 residents and Utah with 101 cases per 100,000 residents.
There were 18 states that reported an increase this past week in COVID-19 deaths, compared with 11 states the previous week.
Florida recorded the most COVID-19 deaths over the past 7 days with 193.
Texas is second with 106 deaths while Missouri is third with 100 deaths."
You're twisting my words, again.
"Earlier in the hearing, NIH Director Dr. Francis Collins told Rep. Andy Harris (R-Md.) that researchers at the Wuhan lab “were not approved by NIH for doing “gain of function research” before adding “we are, of course, not aware of other sources of funds or other activities they might have undertaken outside of what our approved grant allowed.”
I suppose that was the qualifier for the day when we get our hands on the file that shows how they got around "gain of function."
How did Adlai Stevenson say it many decades ago?
"I am prepared to wait for an answer until Hell freezes over"
You seem to think I jump at your command.
Definitely not! There are a lot of untested migrants entering there.
I asked you who the people were who are unvaccinated.
In other words, you have no idea of their political persuasion.
No, she is working.
It's easy to say you made a mistake. You have no idea of the political persuasion of those who haven't been vaccinated.
No problem.
You moved the goal posts and you're twisting my words, as usual.
I didn't make a mistake.
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Is exactly what you said. Not new cases which you were given. Hmmm
If you have done the research you should post it properly
It's not even related to the topic
Well the Golden (or should I say the migrant) state was brought in by someone.
If you look carefully I'm responding to Tessy's comment at 4.1.6 who is responding to XX's comment at 4.1. Nothing in there about California
You're right there wasn't much there. Try and remember the author allows for/sets topic.
I’ve had it. I’m going in for a chemical stress test on my heart early next month to check for connection to my on going health issues. We will see if there’s any connection to my easy exhaustion and quick fatigue issues unrelated to diabetic neuropathy in my hands feet and eye are heart/covid vaccine related or other heart issue.
I'm hoping everything is ok
It's not like I flagged it it was merely an observation. Especially for one who tends to such a stickler for those kinds of details
It’s the Golden Shower state to its internal victims.
A lot of Hispanic and African Americans have not yet gotten the vaccine. They aren’t yet Trump voters but a lot live in the southern states being talked about.
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Actually i don’t. Rarely does stuff I flag for being off topic on my seeds get honored outside of the group moderators.
Me too. I have some more liberal family members who are anti vax and I’ll never hear the end of it if that Pfizer covid vaccine is the cause of the non diabetic symptoms. As it is I’m unlucky in that it’s rare for one with as low as an A1C count as I’ve stayed at or under to have had as much nerve damage as I’ve sustained.
We are trying to hang a Jefferson shower curtain up to protected ourselves from getting pissed on by the state.
The important thing to remember is that this seed doesn't belong to you or me or even the Air Farce. The author can open up the discussion or confine it narrowly to topic. It's his call.
The little people from Fresno to Bakersfield?
It is so sad.
Eventually we'll have to look at all of that to understand the resistance to the vaccine. As far as Biden is concerned, he got vaccinated right away and he kept wearing that mask for a long time. I say the optics of that had a lot to do with the resistance!
That has to be ironed out too. They aren't here, yet they suddenly are here!
A lot of the covid conditions of the past year have taken a toll. Think of how we were less active. That can have an impact on health.
And from Fresno to Lodi to the north central and then from Colusa to Redding to Yreka in the far north
Victor Davis Hanson: Yeah, so the people at the barbershops, the restaurant, all of them have been wiped out. I will say that among a lot of the immigrant community, many of them here illegally, I admire their entrepreneurship because up and down this rural road, there are illegal daycare centers, barbershops, canteens, my neighbor right over here, must have 30 cars a day. I shouldn't say that because I don't want him to be turned in, but he's cutting hair all day long.
I agree. Biden and Harris fed resistance to getting the vaccine. I was proud to be on time in taking the Trump vaccine at the first opportunity.
"I'll show you Biden and Harris. Just to make you look bad I will refuse to be vaccinated and I will get covid and die. I will have the last laugh, although I wont know it because I'll be dead. "
Prove the number of untested migrants
I won't wait
Prove it!
I took the Trump vaccine on February 19 and March 12. I don’t oppose the vaccine. I got the flu and pneumonia shots too. I oppose the top down mandates be it for masks or for lockdowns or for vaccines or for vaccine passports.
Hope you get good test results
What a load of BS.
Victor Davis Hansen is a great American and he does a good job documenting and publicizing the plight of rural and valley communities in the state.
Thanks! 😊
99% of those dying of Co-Vid now are not vaccinated.
You're the one off topic in your own seed talking about that stupid shit DeSantis and his 'merch'. How ridiculous.
Nonsense.
No, they didn't.
I'm not going to look at your nonsense highly biased 'sources'
They aren't being tested and millions have entered the country:
Don't know if that's true, but that would make sense.
Author sets topic.
Fact
Then why respond?
Considering a year ago it was practically 100% since the vaccine wasn't yet available it seems to me that not much has changed. No vaccine = highest risk just as it has been since the beginning. Not sure what the point is for people to point this out except for the shock and awe affect.
It's politics. Pure and simple.
Don’t Fauci my rights over.
Why not?
Of course it's true.
And you believe the NY Post?
Where?
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Yes they did!
Don’t Fauci me over.
saving it all for trump...
No one gives a Trump about what reactionaries like Rand Paul think of Dr. Fauci.
Just had two cups of coffee, time to take a trump.
My recent meals waste are ready to pass. Time to take a biDen!
I bet it looks just like trumpturd. A big steaming pile of shit!
Biden does look and smell like Trumps decal waste matter.
What a mature response
Selective outrage again? I noticed you didn’t say that regarding to a very similar post 4.2.5.
Who most likely singned off on funding the risky research at Wuhan.
To think that Obama was actually right about something!
He was 'correct' about EVERYTHING
Especially about his grandmother.
Obama tried to stop this dangerous kind of research in 2014. Fauci and others most likely funded research that got unleashed and caused this deadly pandemic.
That's what it's all about.
'Fauci and others most likely funded research that got unleashed and caused this deadly pandemic.'
'Most likely'
That's not what it's all about.
So desperate to take the blame off of #45 WHERE THIS BELONGS.
Oh ya, he did it!
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This is a discussion site so I would assume that everyone knows that this is a given.
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#45 is also now known as the Turd Reich
Neither is this a CoC Violation.
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I wouldn’t count on those on the far secular left to understand that at all.
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Elected Democrats and their supporters always prefer to blame #45 instead of their leaderships handlers in Beijing.
Based on the evidence thus far, the trail of money from Fauci would be as follows:
There is no evidence (and denial by Dr. Fauci and Dr. Fauci's boss: Dr. Francis Collins) that the NIH had any intent to fund gain-of-function research at Wuhan. Certainly neither of these two knowingly funneled money to produce COVID-19.
There is not even evidence that gain-of-function research conducted at Wuhan resulted in COVID-19.
Trying to put Fauci up as the fall guy for the worldwide pandemic is predictable by those who want to blame and criticize Fauci for everything related to the pandemic.
Disgusting, dishonest partisanship.
Far better to follow the evidence to where it leads and not try to spin evidence (and in some cases just make shit up) to support what one wants to believe.
Yet they will continue to spread the lies
There are no lies coming from our side of the aisle on this issue. Those are the sole property of the secular progressive left on these matters.
Oh, be real. All politicians and parties lie.
TiG, is the question whether or not the NIH knew that Daszak was conducting this research? Or, is it whether or not Daszak was conducting this research? Because there is no question as to whether or not Daszak was receiving the funding.
I'm not an expert on the issue, but it appears they are engineering viruses to see if they infect humans. You can find multiple instances of Daszak discussing this from as early as 2015. NIH funding began in 2014, and continued to 2019. Whether or not the research resulted in the instant pandemic, I find it had to believe that the NIH, Fauci, and Collins were unaware that the 6 years of funding were going to research aimed at engineering viruses capable of infecting humans, as that is what they were reporting they were doing, and Daszak was not secretive about the fact.
What is your take on this simple exchange?
The accusation is that Dr. Fauci knowingly funded gain-of-function research which resulted in the production of the COVID-19 virus in Wuhan labs.
This is just an ongoing partisan campaign that has taken place since the outbreak of the pandemic with Fauci as the target. For whatever reason, the R partisans continually try to present everything that Fauci does with the most negative spin.
Both Fauci and Collins have stated that EcoHealth received $3.7 million over six years. Both have also stated that they did not approve any gain-of-function research on coronaviruses to increase transmissibility or lethality:
Here is a specific quote from Dr. Collins on this point:
I have wondered about that too. It is strange language. My take is that I would like Fauci to explain himself because those words, on their own, are self-contradictory. But Paul, as is usual, continually cut Fauci off.
An addendum . I have been observing Dr. Collins for years now and hold him in high regard. They guy is extremely competent and is respected both professionally and personally. That is, he is, best I can tell, a very decent, honorable, competent and learned man.
I need very persuasive evidence that Dr. Collins is, in direct contradiction of the life he has led, now lying about this serious matter.
Yeah, I would have liked to have seen Paul not cut him off. But, Fauci was left with the final word, and I think he could have addressed the simple question. Troubling to me, when faced with a direct question, he answers a question not asked.
Again, not my area of expertise (assuming I have one), but the above excerpt from a 2013 report seemingly shows that they successfully engineered a virus by replacing the natural spike protein with SARS-CoV S, which allowed it to use the ACE2 receptor. Below is their list of acknowledgments.
Link to R01AI079231, Daszak is a contributor.
Then there is this
The science is out of my league, and Collins may be a good and decent man. But, the number of studies that have been funded by the NIH and that appear to be using gain of function research at Wuhan are numerous. I can't say there may not be benefit to such tactics, and I'm not arguing against it. The problem I have is that you can get on the NIH website, look at the awards, find the reports based on such projects, yet Collins and Fauci are claiming that they didn't know this type of research was ongoing? Hell, they have been funding this at least since 2003. Surely one of them looked at some of the reports.
Consider the possibility that words such as 'neither NIH nor NIAID have ever approved any grant that would have supported “gain-of-function” research on coronaviruses that would have increased their transmissibility or lethality for humans.' have a very specific meaning to scientists working in this field. It would be professional suicide for Dr. Collins to make such a public statement if it can be easily shown to be a lie. Common sense alone suggests that we should be careful to not leap to lay interpretations.
Scientists working with deadly pathogens typically take extraordinary measures to ensure they do not cause harm. That does not mean they cannot screw up, but it does mean they do indeed work on inert substances (or portions of a virus) without creating a new lab-variant of an active virus. For example:
You interpret this to mean that the scientists engineered a new active SARS-COV virus variant that could bind to human ACE2. Is that what they actually did? Or did they work at the protein level (a portion of the virus) or use other safe methods to conduct their research? I do not know, I am not a molecular biologist and I know that I could not possibly learn enough about this field to argue on pure scientific terms.
The question thus is this:
Did the NIH or NIAID approve a grant for work to engage in "gain of function" research (need a very specific definition of what constitutes this research) on coronaviruses that would produce an active coronovirus virus that has increased transmissibility or lethality for humans?
Dr. Collins and Dr. Fauci are on public record saying they did not do so. This is top-line visibility right now. The quote I gave you from Dr. Collins is from the NIH website where he is speaking to the world and stating his position.
If he is lying then how easy would it be for a knowledgeable scientist to show this? Not with rough 'appearance' as you or I might use given our lay understanding of the science, but with scientific details based on the actual methods employed by the researchers and the likelihood that they literally created an active coronavirus with increased transmissibility / lethality.
Without a deep background in this level of research one must use other means to try to find the truth. What I would like to see, if true, is an understandable counter to Dr. Collins' statement that shows him to be lying. That is, to show that he (and Fauci) knowingly funded research that they knew could produce an active COVID-19 virus through gain-of-function.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA [deep breath] HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
That's the NIH's definition. Nothing in there about increased lethality, simply new or enhanced activity. Of course, I have little doubt that you have read the entire passage that follows the NIH's definition, and its explanation that some GOF research carries more risks, and needs strict oversight. Daszak's research was producing chimeric viruses, and they were testing viral replication of the chimeric viruses. That much is plainly stated in the reports. I think a lay person can see that engineering a virus to test a theory that it will be infectious to humans, where it was otherwise not, meets the definition.
In the end, I'd like to see the same things you'd like to see.
Agreed. Note Dr. Collins' qualifications in the quote I supplied. There is also nothing in there about methods to experiment with viruses to explore potential lethality and transmissibility that do not produce an active virus that has those properties.
I suspect the answer to this question is 'yes': are there safe methods for modifying viruses to test properties without producing an active virus capable of effecting those properties? That is, can one actually test transmissibility, for example, without producing an active virus that has that property?
No doubt you understand my position, but just to summarize, in lieu of a deep understanding of the methods and practices and the safety precautions and, indeed, what they actually produce in the lab while doing these sorts of experiments, I am going to assume Dr. Collins is dead on accurate and truthful. His reputation and my observing him for years gives me confidence in him. If he is lying, which would truly blow my mind, then we should have a clear explanation, by reputable sources, as to why his statement is a lie.
Short of that, I fear we can too easily get a wrong reading by viewing the forest and not the trees.
Not sure I’m ready to be that cynical in my outlook yet…