Cuba to Prosecute People Detained During Recent Protests - WSJ

  
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Cuba to Prosecute People Detained During Recent Protests - WSJ
Hundreds of Cubans who took part in nationwide street demonstrations last week face charges of inciting unrest, authorities say, raising concerns among rights advocates of summary trials without due process.

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July 20, 2021 9:13 am ET

Hundreds of Cubans who took part in street protests across the Caribbean nation last week face charges of inciting unrest, authorities say, raising concerns among rights advocates of summary trials without due process.

The whereabouts of hundreds of arrested demonstrators is unknown and others are being held incommunicado without charges nine days after nationwide demonstrations rocked the country.

Cuban police have arrested an estimated 500 demonstrators and activists who were among thousands who poured into the streets on July 11 to protest against deteriorating living conditions, the lack of freedoms, and scarcity of basic goods and services including Covid-19 vaccines under the Communist regime.

The government responded to the protests by cutting internet and phone services and deploying so-called rapid-reaction brigades, police and Communist Party militants to take back control of cities and towns.

More than a week after the unprecedented demonstrations, hundreds of people are lining up outside police stations across the island asking about missing relatives. Those who discovered which detention centers their family members are being held at have gathered outside them to get in touch and deliver clothing, toiletries and food.

Most of those detained during and after the demonstrations are young people from the poorest corners of the country who have been held incommunicado, relatives say. Authorities have yet to disclose the charges on which they are being held.

“Some demonstrators have been released, but those who are seen as influential or more visible aren’t going anywhere,” said Danelis Iglesias, the wife of Cuban rapper Adrian “El Radikal” Zamora, known in his native city of Colón for his rebellious hip-hop songs.

Mr. Zamora and his wife were among those who participated in the protests. The following morning, just after Mr. Zamora got out of the shower, police officers stormed their house and took a shirtless Mr. Zamora to the police station.

“They took him away in shorts and flip flops, and we still haven’t been able to talk to him, let alone know what the government accuses him of,” Ms. Iglesias said.

Activists and relatives of detained demonstrators fear that the government will keep them behind bars for months if not years.

“We are convinced that behind these events is the hand of the enemy,” said Col. Moraima Bravet, head of the criminal investigations unit at the country’s Interior Ministry. “We will reach the instigators and organizers.”

Col. Bravet said on national television that the government will press disorder and disobedience charges against demonstrators who participated in violent actions and acts of vandalism. Activists say such criminal offenses can carry sentences of up to 15 years in prison.

Authorities have said demonstrators will face summary trials behind closed doors, which gives defendants and their attorneys little time to study charges or present evidence. Prisoner Defenders, a Madrid-based legal action advocacy group, said the Cuban procedure “flagrantly violates the guarantee of due process.”

Relatives say they are also having a hard time finding independent defense lawyers willing to confront authorities.

Michelle Bachelet, the U.N.’s High Commissioner for Human Rights, called for the release of all those who have been detained “for exercising their right to peaceful assembly.”

But Cuba’s President Miguel Díaz-Canel said the protests were led by criminals and counter-revolutionaries backed by the U.S. government.

The Interior Ministry said one person died last week when a group of protesters attacked a police station in a town near Havana, and that several people were injured in the incident, including police officers.

The exact number of people arrested and injured is difficult to determine because the government won’t disclose that information. Cuban civil rights groups say that more than 500 people have been detained. Human Rights Watch estimates that the whereabouts of at least 300 people are still unknown.

After a first stage in which demonstrators were attacked and detained by security forces, the Cuban government is now erecting a legal facade to legitimize its actions, said José Miguel Vivanco, Americas director for Human Rights Watch.

“In light of the image problem that the government currently has on the international stage, it’s now resorting to criminal charges akin to the Spanish Inquisition, labeling political prisoners as criminals and terrifying the population,” Mr. Vivanco added.

Among those detained since the July 11 demonstrations are the artist Luis Manuel Otero, a highly visible figure among Cuban dissidents, and José Daniel Ferrer, the leader of Cuba’s most important opposition group. There are also dozens of professionals, activists, photographers and independent journalists held in detention centers.

Henry Constantín Ferreiro, who runs La Hora de Cuba, a news webpage, was detained as he was preparing to leave his house in the colonial city of Camagüey to cover the protests. He has been incommunicado since then.






Manelyn Morales, a friend of Mr. Constantín Ferreiro who works for a Catholic community center, said that authorities disclosed late last week several criminal charges against him, including incitement to violence.

“He is accused of carrying heavy sticks and stones, when he hadn’t even left his house,” Ms. Morales added.

Many others who were released after being detained at the protest have been placed under house arrest. They join about a dozen artists, independent journalists and activists who already had stay-at-home orders—an arbitrary measure that Human Rights Watch calls de facto house arrest. They include internationally known installation artist Tania Bruguera, who has posted photographs of more than a dozen police officers staking out her house, and hip-hop singer Eliexer “El Funky” Márquez, co-author of Patria y Vida, a rap song that  became an anthem of the protests .

Hamlet Lavastida, another internationally known Cuban artist who was imprisoned on June 26 when he returned home after more than a year abroad, has been charged with inciting to commit a crime. The accusation against Mr. Lavastida was based on chats in messaging apps intercepted by the government where Mr. Lavastida discussed the possibility of stamping Cuban currency with pro-democracy slogans as part of a performance piece. The performance was never carried out.


—José de Córdoba contributed to this article.





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Vic Eldred
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1  seeder  Vic Eldred    2 weeks ago

Let's assess the situation.

The regime has already put down the protests. They've killed at least 1 individual and the US under Joe Biden did absolutely nothing.

What comes next for the accused. I assume they will sit in prison for 6 months or until they get a trial. What shall the charge be?  Loitering? Tresspassing? Or Insurrection?

 
 
 
Hallux
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1.1  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    2 weeks ago

What did you want him to do? Pile on top of Trump's embargoes that have had no effect? Do some of that nation building invasion stuff?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hallux @1.1    2 weeks ago

Here is what I would do - Warn the Cuban regime publicly that if one Cuban citizen was harmed the US would respond immediately.

 
 
 
Kavika
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1.1.2  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.1    2 weeks ago
Warn the Cuban regime publicly that if one Cuban citizen was harmed the US would respond immediately.

And exactly how would we know if a Cuban citizen was harmed and exactly what would you do if it were true? How would you respond?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.3  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Kavika @1.1.2    2 weeks ago
And exactly how would we know if a Cuban citizen was harmed

Here you are:



That is what a free press corps is supposed to be doing. It's not to give us radical opinions.


and exactly what would you do if it were true? How would you respond?

I would have a naval fleet surrounding the island and with the one killing I would remove the regime and put them on trial for crimes against humanity. Then I would allow the Cuban people to elect their own government.  That would not just help turn it around in Cuba but other places in the Carribean and Central America as well.

 
 
 
evilgenius
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1.1.4  evilgenius  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.1    2 weeks ago
Here is what I would do

I thought the Trumpublicans were against interfering in other countries? Against entering wars and aiding foreigners? What makes Cuba different?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.5  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  evilgenius @1.1.4    2 weeks ago
I thought the Trumpublicans were against interfering in other countries?

That is what I would do. Believe me as much you hated Trump, I'd be your real enemy. Every bit of that evil ideology would be under seige right now!

 
 
 
Kavika
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1.1.6  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.3    2 weeks ago

So you would invade a sovereign country to engage in another failed attempt at nation building. Would you lead the charge into combat or send your kids or grandkids into the killing fields? It's always easy to wage war from behind a computer, in real life not so much. 

Are you saying that the US should invade Central American countries and countries in the Carribian or hoping that the invasion of Cuba would encourage an uprising against the current governments?

 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.7  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.5    2 weeks ago

What does anyone have to fear from YOU?

 
 
 
Kavika
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1.1.8  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.5    2 weeks ago
'd be your real enemy. Every bit of that evil ideology would be under seige right now.

LOL, and what would you attack in your opinion the ''evil ideology'' with, your bravado, a squirt gun, the bible, what is your weapon of choice?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.9  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Kavika @1.1.6    2 weeks ago
So you would invade a sovereign country

I would invade a country run by a brutal murderous regime 90 miles off our coast. Absolutely!


Would you lead the charge into combat or send your kids or grandkids into the killing fields?

I would give the order. That is what the military is for. It's not there for social experiments btw.


It's always easy to wage war from behind a computer, in real life not so much. 

If your'e a progressive it's impossible. You do remember Grenada?


Are you saying that the US should invade Central American countries and countries in the Carribian or hoping that the invasion of Cuba would encourage an uprising against the current governments?

First of all, where is the Carribian?  Second, I would take advantage of the fact that Cuba is one of those few places in the world where we can make a change to help people.


 
 
 
evilgenius
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1.1.10  evilgenius  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.5    2 weeks ago
Every bit of that evil ideology would be under seige right now!

That answers nothing. There are many evils ideologies including the Taliban which, I think, you agreed with Trump AND Biden we should leave. Again why is Cuba different? They aren't threatening the US so tell me why I should care.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.11  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Kavika @1.1.8    2 weeks ago
LOL, and what would you attack in your opinion the ''evil ideology'' with, your bravado, a squirt gun, the bible, what is your weapon of choice?

Since you seem so interested in what I'd do as president, one of the first things I'd do is end federal funding to any university teaching progressive ideology.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.12  Tessylo  replied to  evilgenius @1.1.10    2 weeks ago
"That answers nothing."

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Vic Eldred
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1.1.13  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  evilgenius @1.1.10    2 weeks ago
Again why is Cuba different?

They are in the western hemispher, 90 miles off our shore and a rare place where we can make a change. 

THAT'S WHY!

 
 
 
Kavika
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1.1.15  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.11    2 weeks ago
Since you seem so interested in what I'd do as president, one of the first things I'd do is end federal funding to any university teaching progressive ideology.

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evilgenius
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1.1.16  evilgenius  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.13    2 weeks ago
They are in the western hemispher, 90 miles off our shore and a rare place where we can make a change. 

The location seems irrelevant and the fact that both China and Russia have gone out of their way to warn us that they would get involved should we makes your claim we could do anything easily suspect as well. And again Cuba in no way threatens the US. 

 
 
 
evilgenius
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1.1.17  evilgenius  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.11    2 weeks ago
one of the first things I'd do is end federal funding to any university teaching progressive ideology.

Likely to be overturned by the SCOTUS as unconstitutional. Though I'm sure you could try to end federal funding for ALL universities. Probably not a popular position to take though. 

 
 
 
Kavika
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1.1.18  Kavika   replied to  Kavika @1.1.15    2 weeks ago

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Tessylo
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1.1.19  Tessylo  replied to  Kavika @1.1.15    2 weeks ago

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Vic Eldred
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1.1.20  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  evilgenius @1.1.16    2 weeks ago
The location seems irrelevant and the fact that both China and Russia have gone out of their way to warn us that they would get involved should we makes your claim we could do anything easily suspect as well.

They can warn all they want. They won't fight for Cuba, just like we won't fight for Taiwan or the Ukraine. It's called reality.


 And again Cuba in no way threatens the US. 

No it doesn't, but that's irrelevant. It is a brutal regime that we can easily remove and should have done long ago when JFK was worried about how it might look. 

We free those people.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.21  Tessylo  replied to  Kavika @1.1.18    2 weeks ago

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Vic Eldred
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1.1.22  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  evilgenius @1.1.17    2 weeks ago
Though I'm sure you could try to end federal funding for ALL universities.

I think that would cover it. 

 
 
 
Kavika
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1.1.23  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.20    2 weeks ago

It the US hadn't supported the evil Batista regime there might not be a Castro today. Evil deeds come back to haunt us.

 
 
 
Dulay
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1.1.24  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.1    2 weeks ago

So let me see if I have this straight Vic. 

You're advocating for Cuban protestors being handled with kid gloves after almost a year of insisting that AMERICAN LEOs should use any method necessary to round up and incarcerate AMERICAN protestors. 

Do I have that right? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.25  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Kavika @1.1.23    2 weeks ago

That sounds like what liberals used to say back in '59. The two things are not equal. Batista had a corrupt regime. Castro had a murderous, evil regime. The people of Cuba told us - when Castro came to power one quarter of the population left!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.26  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @1.1.24    2 weeks ago
You're advocating for Cuban protestors being handled with kid gloves after almost a year of insisting that AMERICAN LEOs should use any method necessary to round up and incarcerate AMERICAN protestors.  Do I have that right? 

That's 100% correct. Those American protestors who rioted all summer and besieged the White House and attacked Federal Courthouses and took over Police precincts and burned people's houses and businesses to the ground and killed dozens of people were not much different from the Cuban regime they (BLM) endorsed!

 
 
 
Kavika
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1.1.27  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.25    2 weeks ago

Batista had a corrupt and evil regime. 

If the liberals were saying this in 1959, why didn't you join the group at the Bay of Pigs since your so against communism this was your moment.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.28  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Kavika @1.1.27    2 weeks ago
why didn't you join the group at the Bay of Pigs since your so against communism this was your moment.

Ask JFK. He's the one who didn't want any evidence of American involvement 

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
1.1.29  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.26    2 weeks ago
That's 100% correct.

Thank you for acknowledging that your posit is utter hypocrisy. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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1.1.30  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Dulay @1.1.29    2 weeks ago
Thank you for acknowledging that your posit is utter hypocrisy.

I don't remember seeing the Cubans destroying vehicles, burning shops and offices, or looting. Perhaps you know and saw things differently?

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
1.1.31  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.28    2 weeks ago

And right after the Bay of Pigs was another opportunity for you to fight evil communism, it's called Vietnam. They were begging for commie fighters, another opportunity for you.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.32  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @1.1.29    2 weeks ago

It's total consistent. I'm against evil

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.33  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Kavika @1.1.31    2 weeks ago
it's called Vietnam.

That's where JFK said he would draw the line and LBJ fought to lose.

 
 
 
Dulay
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1.1.34  Dulay  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.1.30    2 weeks ago
I don't remember seeing the Cubans destroying vehicles, burning shops and offices, or looting.

This discussion is about 'protestors' Jim. 

Perhaps you know and saw things differently?

Actually, since I didn't watch through bias lenses, I did see property damage, including images of destruction of vehicles like these:

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Dulay
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1.1.35  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.32    2 weeks ago

So Cuban protestors good, American protestors evil. Got ya. 

 
 
 
Kavika
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1.1.36  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.33    2 weeks ago

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Vic Eldred
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1.1.37  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @1.1.35    2 weeks ago

You can try and spin it all you want. Clearly antifa & BLM aren't simply protestors. They rioted and looted for a year and BLM endorsed the Cuban regime. They are equal to the regime.

Thanks for making my point, again.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.38  Tessylo  replied to  Dulay @1.1.35    2 weeks ago

Ya!  EXACTLY

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.1.39  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.37    2 weeks ago

You are clearly incorrect.  

 
 
 
Kavika
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1.1.40  Kavika   replied to  Kavika @1.1.36    2 weeks ago

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Dulay
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1.1.41  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.37    2 weeks ago
You can try and spin it all you want.

I didn't post any 'spin' Vic. 

Clearly antifa & BLM aren't simply protestors.

You say that like it's a bad thing.  

They rioted and looted for a year and BLM endorsed the Cuban regime.  They are equal to the regime

That comment is a LIE Vic. There have been NO riots or looting in the US since LAST year. Nor did the BLM statement endorse the Cuban regime. 

.Thanks for making my point, again

You haven't made a point Vic. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
1.1.42  Trout Giggles  replied to  Kavika @1.1.31    2 weeks ago

Oh, hey! When I was just a few months old, my dad was called up for his physical in 1962....Gee...I know you know what happened in October 1962. Let's see if Vic can guess

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Principal
1.1.43  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Dulay @1.1.34    2 weeks ago

Strange.  I thought the Cubans valued cars more than their spouses.  They don't make new ones and continue to so carefully preserve the old ones they own

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.1.44  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.1.43    2 weeks ago
and continue to so carefully preserve the old ones they own

From the days of Batista. Probably the last time they owned anything!

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
1.1.45  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.26    2 weeks ago
Those American protestors who rioted all summer

Oh NOW it's no longer 'for a year', it's just 'all summer'. 

At least that's one tiny step toward reality. 

and besieged the White House

Right Vic. The WH was SO besieged that Trump walked down the street with his entourage. Your claim is ridiculous.  

and attacked Federal Courthouses

One Federal Courthouse in Portland. The perpetrators are being prosecuted. 

and took over Police precincts and burned people's houses and businesses to the ground

Those arsonists are being prosecuted too. 3 were recently sentenced. Try to keep up. 

and killed dozens of people were not much different from the Cuban regime they (BLM) endorsed!

MILLIONS of people participated in the George Floyd protests Vic. An infinitesimal number of them committed arson, assault and in some cases murder. As far as I know, there is NO evidence that those crimes were committed by members of BLM. 

Oh and I REPEAT, BLM did NOT endorse the Cuban regime. Just STOP. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Principal
1.1.46  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.44    2 weeks ago

So prejudicial - I'll bet none of their personal belongings were confiscated by Fidel. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.1.47  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.1.46    2 weeks ago

"The Cubans who came to Miami in 1959 were supporters of the ousted Batista government. Soon they were joined by increasing numbers of wealthy Cubans whose property had been confiscated by the Cuban government: executives of U.S. companies and well-established professionals, including many doctors. Most did not expect exile to last long, but thought Cuba would soon be liberated -- first placing their hopes on the failed Bay of Pigs invasion, and later on the certainty that the United States would never allow the consolidation of a Communist government ninety miles away from their shores.

Starting Over
Many of these pioneers left Cuba with nothing and had to begin anew. Sugar mill owners became gas station attendants; professional women took jobs as maids. Told many times over, their story has by now become an epic. Character loans, dispensed by the Republican Bank, and especially by a Cuban banker named Luis Botifoll, allowed Cubans to start small businesses. Applying the entrepreneurial skills brought from their native Cuba, and taking advantage of the growing Cuban population in Miami, little by little they created the Miami success story for which Cuban Americans have become known."



PS:

I am a Run & Coke drinker. I always order Bacardi, not because I prefer it to Captain Morgan (not much difference), but because I know the Bacardi family also fled Cuba.

It wasn't only the upper class. People had their land & property confiscated. Many lost their lives.  Yup, I'm predjudiced against monsters like Castro!

 
 
 
Ronin2
Masters Quiet
1.1.48  Ronin2  replied to  Hallux @1.1    2 weeks ago
Pile on top of Trump's embargoes that have had no effect?

Better than sitting with his thumb up his ass. Oh yes and telling the Cubans not to come to the US. They vote the wrong way; can't have that offsetting the Biden admins wide open southern border.

Do some of that nation building invasion stuff?

In Cuba? The Democrats love the Cuban regime. Much like they love the Chinese regime. They are not going to do anything to those they want so badly to emulate.  Re-education camps; yes please, and more of that. Unlimited spying on political opponents they got away with it once; why not just do it full time? If those pesky people just won't bend a knee just make them disappear; every Democrats' most fervent dream.  Besides Biden is talking about removing Assad in Syria. Completing Obama's work is what he is all about. Besides he needs to do something to keep the chain of Establishment presidents that get the US involved in disastrous nation building schemes.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
1.1.49  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.47    2 weeks ago

The 4 MILLION from Kennedy's Presidential Contingency Fund for the Cuban Refugee Program did Cuban Refugees a world of good Vic. 

Check out the history of the Cuban Refugee Emergency Center in Miami. 

That's the equivalent of over 37 BILLION in todays money dedicated to supporting refugees. Something you and yours have decried here as nauseam. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.1.50  XXJefferson51  replied to  Ronin2 @1.1.48    2 weeks ago

Democrats are probably hoping that China sends troops to Cuba to help that regime put down their domestic opposition.  Something the PLA has lots of experience at.  Gunning down pro democracy protesters in the streets.  

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
1.1.51  JBB  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.1.50    2 weeks ago

No! Democrats are NOT! That was a damn lie!

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
1.1.52  XXJefferson51  replied to  JBB @1.1.51    one week ago

It was a personal opinion prefaced with probably so no it’s not anything more than that.  

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.1.53  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  JBB @1.1.51    one week ago

His comments mimic the Palestinians - never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.2  XXJefferson51  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    2 weeks ago

Exactly.  Biden and Cuba treat dissidents in a similar manner.  Ones as bad as the other.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.2.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.2    2 weeks ago

Biden is stumping tonight for former Virginia governor Terry McAuliffe. McAuliffe couldn't run last time because of Virginia's odd law on term-limits law that allows a governor to only serve one consecutive term. McAuliffe should win, but it would really blow democrat minds if he lost.

To his defeat!

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JBB
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2  JBB    2 weeks ago

After generations of the Castos and international sanctions the world is pulling for the Cuban People to earn themselves a real Democratic government...

Once they do the gop will treat them like Mexicans!

 
 
 
Ronin2
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2.1  Ronin2  replied to  JBB @2    2 weeks ago
Once they do the gop will treat them like Mexicans!

Sorry, which President just told the Cubans not to come to the US? Don't remember that being uttered from Republican lips. Let's see, that would be Biden. He of the wide open southern border; and ringing the dinner bell for any Central and South American illegal immigrant to come to the US. Can't have those Cubans that would vote Republican offsetting the flood coming in from the south.

What the Cubans should do is make the trip into Mexico and cross our southern border like everyone else. See just how blatantly stupid the Biden administration is if they separate the Cubans out and try to send them back.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.2  XXJefferson51  replied to  JBB @2    2 weeks ago

A free Cuba will become the most prosperous nation in Latin America in only a few years.  

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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3  Buzz of the Orient    2 weeks ago

When those who complain of mistreatment resort to ludicrous exaggeration it has the effect of trivializing the reality of wrongdoing, and tends to cause disbelief of the seriousness of the complaint. 

“In light of the image problem that the government currently has on the international stage, it’s now resorting to criminal charges akin to the Spanish Inquisition , labeling political prisoners as criminals and terrifying the population,” Mr. Vivanco added.

The Spanish Inquisition?

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XXJefferson51
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3.1  XXJefferson51  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3    2 weeks ago

The current Chinese regime is even worse than the Spanish one was.  

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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3.1.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1    2 weeks ago

"Vas you dere, Sharlie?"

 
 
 
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