Vaccine IDs expose Democrats' lies about voter IDs
By: Christopher Tremoglie (MSN)
And that argument now becomes just more Democrat Swiss cheese.
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As the Biden administration pushes to mandate vaccines for every worker, vaccine ID cards will become an integral part of the rest of the pandemic, however long it lasts. Workers will need one to remain employed or allowed to work. Yet previously, Democrats argued asking for IDs was racist because many minorities were somehow unable to obtain a government-issued ID.
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But all these hurdles seem to vanish miraculously when it comes to getting vaccination IDs.
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Keep in mind, the notion that somehow people were not able to obtain a government-issued ID was always complete hogwash. Moreover, it was even more ridiculous to assume that it was much harder for people of color to get valid IDs. The only people who do not have IDs are those who choose not to get them, just as those who have not been vaccinated are those who have chosen not to be.
That said, even if this were a legitimate barrier, the methodology used to distribute vaccine IDs could be replicated for voter IDs. As with vaccines, there are already existing places where one can go to get a government-issued ID. Government officials organized people to go door-to-door to help register people for vaccines. No such initiative exists for IDs, but it could.
And the fact that it was done for vaccines shows that it could be done for voter IDs. The reason it hasn't is because government officials choose not to do it.
Democrats tried to spin voter ID into a race issue because that's what they do when they lack legitimate reasons for their positions and their decisions. They absurdly claimed that many black people lacked the funds or transportation to get an ID. Yet somehow, they had enough transportation and funds to get to a polling location, so ... how exactly was that supposed to work?
Even more immediately, IDs are needed for literally every aspect of daily life, for the rich and the poor. They are required to apply for welfare benefits, to borrow money, and to buy or rent a home. Even where government ID is not necessary, other forms — utility bills or bank statements, for example — cannot be obtained without originally showing some form of government-issued photo ID. People need IDs for significant life events such as getting married or being hired at a new job. If they avoid electronic payment systems (which usually require ID to set up), then they still need an ID to cash checks.
Unless you've owned the same home for decades, hoarding cash in your mattress, never applying for any sort of license or government service, never being convicted of a crime (even prisoners are issued photo IDs), then your chances of avoiding getting a photo ID in your adult life are basically nil.
Democrats had to make this about race because they want to prevent election integrity from becoming an issue people think seriously about. Every legitimate vote should count. Voter ID helps weed out voter fraud, which does happen and cancels out legitimate votes.
There are no barriers to getting voter IDs — there is only Democrats' fearmongering. Democrats do not want voter ID laws, and we should all be asking why not.
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Well hello double standard LMAO
What double standard? On one hand you have health professionals and federal employees being required to get vaccinated and on the other hand you have Republicans with voter data by race in hand crafting voter ID laws that specifically target black and minority Americans with "surgical precision" according to the courts.
There are many barriers to having a valid photo ID in many States. Parking tickets, moving violations and a number other things can keep you from renewing most photo ID.
That isn't a requirement to vote. Just because someone has moving violations or unpaid parking tickets that restrict them from having a current valid ID due to fines they aren't currently able to pay should not strip them of their constitutional right to vote.
" It should be unfathomable to think that in 2020 we would still be fighting the same types of restrictions that impinged the right to vote during the Jim Crow era. But in several states, a form of poll tax persists, banning people who have failed to pay fines and fees from voting."
Do you actually believe that fiction? I've heard better stories from children.
I believe you are mistaking an Driver's License for an ID. There is a difference between the two.
It's not an ID Jim, it's a vaccination record. The US government has been issuing vaccination records since vaccines became available.
Hyperbolic much? Sheesh.
Actually, no they haven't. Sheesh...
Locating and Tracking Adult Vaccine Records | CDC
Actually, yes they have.
So I presume that means that there is no national organization that maintains vaccine IDs either...
Mmmmmkay.....
Coming soon to a theatre near you,
I served in the Army for 23 yrs and had a vaccination record for every one of them beginning in 1978.
A couple of my friends retired in 2018 and started to travel all over the world. They both carry their vaccine records with their passports. They added their Covid vaccine record and are hoping to start traveling again if they live through the bullshit that's going down in FL.
So what? You gave up control over your body when you joined the military. That is part of the contract. I have several friends in the military that had shots every time they went over seas. Many of them will never have another shot again now that they are out.
There is a major difference between serving in the US military and being a private citizen.
If they are "fully vaccinated" then they have nothing to worry about; or at least that is the BS that the Biden administration is spewing. In reality breakthrough cases are growing.
You can google for more- it covers every state. Seems that the so called "vaccine" is no better than the flu shot.
Funny how Biden and Democrats are spewing hatred at unvaccinated US citizens; when Biden's mandate doesn't force a single immigrant to the US to get vaccinated. Most are from countries that have high Covid rates; and very low vaccination rates. According to Schumer these immigrants are needed to fill jobs. So unvaccinated immigrants are going to be able to work- while unvaccinated US citizens are fired. The sheer level of stupidity from the left is unparalleled.
Let us all know when Biden decides to end the single largest super spreader event in the world on our southern border.
That's hyperbolic bullshit.
It isn't funny how Trump and Republicans are spewing hatred for U.S. citizens that don't support them.
Biden's mandate doesn't force anyone to get vaccinated. Get educated.
The sheer level of misinformation you base your opinion on is galactic.
Let me know when you have one iota of evidence to support your posit.
Just keep going, I'm sure you're almost there.
This may be the funniest thing you have ever posted. IF we had "applications" we wouldn't be having this discussion. Its the millions running across the border that the Biden administration and DHS looking the other way and in many cases loading them up and sending them all across the country.
So it was thousands, now it's millions?????????????????????????????????????
Read it and weep.
US on track to encounter record 2 million migrants on the southern border, government estimates show - CNNPolitics
When I was mobilized for Desert Storm, if you did not have a shot record, you had to get them all over again.
And yet everybody can get one. Just like an ID.
I guess you don't quite grasp how many things you do need an ID for. Like:
If you are positing that there are no applicants for immigration your comment is delusional.
Utter bullshit.
It would behoove you to review the difference between immigrants and asylum seekers.
YOU obviously failed to READ it.
From YOUR link:
Opps...
Ouch!
I guess YOU refuse to recognize that is only a RECENT requirement.
BTW, the only ID I need for buying alcohol and tobacco is my grey hair.
So a vaccination record isn't an ID.
Thanks for agreeing.
That's because you were in the military, one of the two groups that the U.S. government is charged with making sure that vaccinations are current, the other being immigrants. The fact is that there is no national database for vaccine records for John and Jane Doe only state records per the CDC.
Great article from March??????????
Key words "on track". It hasn't happened yet,
What has happened is that over 1.1 million have been expelled under Title 42
and the fiscal year, that pesky "year" the Government uses, ends tomorrow.
( Imagine CNN getting something wrong,
)
Never said it was. And nice attempt to skirt the real issue, albeit not surprising
Legally, you need the ID.
Nope, my BCBS card is the only card I show at my doctor's office.
Recent. BTW, the DMV only requires a birth certificate to acquire a Real ID. AGAIN, NO photo ID. So one can acquire a photo ID WITHOUT a photo ID.
Nope, I've had a library card since forever and didn't need to show a photo ID to get it. All I needed was a utility bill from within the county.
Children need photo IDs to go to school? Since when?
No AGAIN. The only time I show my photo ID is when I'm picking up my mom's regulated pain pills.
I guess YOU refuse to recognize that is only a RECENT requirement.
I haven't bought a car from a dealer in 40 years.
When I bought my house in 2005 I showed NO photo ID. I qualified via my credit score and income.
Since my insurance is through my wife's employer, NO photo ID required for them to issue me a BCBS card.
When I went to SS to change my name after my marriage in 2009, I gave them my SS card [acquired when I was 14 without a photo ID] and my marriage certificate [acquired with my birth certificate, NOT a photo ID]. I now have a SS card with my married name, as does my wife.
The current credit cards I have are through my business and needed NO photo ID to qualify.
Actually, I only need what a retailer requires. Despite the 2010 legislation, I doubt that the 'business friendly' state of Indiana has any intention of prosecuting retailers for failing to require me to show an ID for a bottle of merlot.
Oh and BTW, even the Indiana legislature gives onsite consumption a pass so NO photo ID to get hammered at a bar.
Skirting the 'real issue' Jeremy?
The TOPIC of the seed is 'vaccine IDs'. Try to keep up.
Last time I looked at the headline of this it stated: Vaccine IDs Expose Democrats' Lies About Voter IDs.
Or did that escape you that it's about the lies and gaslighting from Democrats about how one ID is not a problem but the other isn't. FFS, how hard is that for you to understand?
The retailer is required by law to ask for ID. Most of us aren't ask because it's obvious we meet any age requirements. But that still doesn't negate the ID requirement.
AGAIN, I see that you continue to refuse to recognize that is only a RECENT requirement.
When I had a CT scan last year, NO photo ID required. When I had my annual blood work in February, NO ID of any kind required.
NO. I have a photo ID because I live in a rural area without public transportation which requires me to be able to drive and therefore requires a drivers license.
For most of my life I lived in urban areas and used public transportation to get to school, work and play. I had no actual need for a Drivers license until I was in my mid-30's though of course I had one long before that because I love to fish and camp and take my dog along...
It's no use to try and deny that 'the best form of identification' has changed RECENTLY. I have used the copy of my birth certificate issued to my parents for everything from my first social security card to my drivers licenses in THREE states for over 60 years. Only RECENTLY, did I have to apply for a CERTIFIED copy of my birth certificate in order to get my REAL ID. Indiana suddenly refused to accept my original one, stamped and signed by a Navy Admiral over 60 years ago, as 'official' identification.
Actually when it is mandated, the term is compliant.
Last time I looked NO ONE here has proven that Vaccine IDs EXIST. So your posit is that the Democrats are lying and gaslighting about a fantasy.
Point?
It's a fucking wink and a nod 'law' that even YOU admit isn't complied with.
THAT isn't the issue here Kathleen, IS it?
Ironically, YOU said:
So you should recognize that YOUR anecdotal experience is irrelevant to MINE. THAT is the truth here.
That gray hair or not, the requirement exists.
What Democrat lies about voter ID?
I have to get one because I have no choice because I have to renew my license but it's bullshit
DP is correct, as usual
I have to have my license renewed by my birthday which is coming up soon and it will be effective for eight years - why would I get a voter ID when I have my license?????? Which is now tied to Real ID
REAL ID
Effective May 3, 2023 federal requirements will require you to be compliant with the REAL ID Act. Having a REAL ID compliant driver’s license or ID card will be necessary to board commercial aircraft or gain access to federal facilities.
To be considered REAL ID compliant, you must have the required documents on file with the Maryland Department of Transportation Motor Vehicle Administration (MDOT MVA). To find out if you are Real ID compliant, visit our REAL ID Lookup Tool . If the Lookup Tool indicates you must provide REAL ID documents, MDOT MVA will provide next steps on how to make an appointment and submit REAL ID documents to customers through email and U.S. Postal Service communication .
When I renew, I will get the Real ID as well as my motorcycle license. It will be a busy day for me. I can't renew by mail as some trouble I got into now entails I renew in person as well as taking the road test. I reap what I have sowed and have no one to blame but myself.
Yikes! I cringe at the thought of having to take the drivers' test all over again. I didn't get my actual drivers' license until I was around 25.
There can be no question about it. The notion that requiring everyone to show ID - for something we all do - could somehow be racist is absurd on its face, and insults the intelligence of anyone who hears it.
That said, I am a converted fan of voting by mail and I plan to do that for the rest of my life.
The problem with photo id for voting is the same problem it was 15 or 20 years when they first started up with this idea.
It is INTENDED to lower voting among racial minorities and the young, two generally Democratic constituencies.
Republicans have even admitted it over the years.
Who cares what someone intends?
I won’t deign to speak for what might be in the heads of people who propose Voter ID, and you might not be qualified to do so either. Nevertheless, anyone who explicitly “intends” that Voter ID will reduce minority voting is a racist imbecile. Our most severe reaction in that circumstance should be to laugh.
By way of analogy, you might intend that jumping really high will get you to the moon, but reality will not conform to that intention.
I have always made sure to bring ID with me to a polling place because it just struck me as sensible that people would want to confirm my identity. I have done so even though in theory it is not supposed to be required.
Is Voter ID necessary? I don’t know. I doubt the need is terribly urgent, but I have no problem whatsoever with it.
You have to show ID for numerous things in life so why are people getting so butt hurt over voter ID?
Because some people just derive meaning in their lives by being butthurt - it doesn't matter what the reason is.
Good point.
The whole 'photo ID' thingy is recent.
The irony is that ALL of us old 'fogies' 'originally showed some form of government issued ID' in order to register to vote and affixed our signature. As I am sure is true for most of the older people here, I voted for DECADES without having to show an ID.
Oh and BTFW, I also had bank accounts, cashed checks, rented apartments/ homes and flew across country many times without a photo ID for many of those decades too. It's amazing what a Platinum American Express could do for you back in the day.
I registered my father to vote in the 70's and I had to ask for his ID to do so.
If I have to show ID to buy beer, then ID should be required to vote
I showed ID to register to vote in Illinois in 1974. I showed it again to register in California in 1980 and to register in Indiana in 1990. NO photo ID was mandatory at the time. My status as an American citizen hasn't changed.
Or you could just walk into the liquor store and tell them you’re over 21. That should be good enough if we go with the voting standard.
I think that you're overlooking [intentionally?] the fact that there is a very important step BEFORE you go and vote. It's that little registration thingy...
That's where they get the example of your signature that they compare for identification authentication at the polls. Note that they do not take your photo to compare, ONLY your signature.
As I have said here many times, and NO ONE has refuted, one can get a photo ID with their signature on it in almost any decent size town in this country for the right price. So it's obtuse to pretend that photo IDs are sacrosanct.
Not overlooking. It’s part of the analogy. There exists a government document recording my date of birth - my birth certificate. So, I could just walk into a liquor store, and explain who I am, my age, and that all that information is on file. And I should get beer, right? Why should I have to provide documentation?
That is a feeble standard for authentication. I am confident I could walk into a polling place and sign my name as Abraham Lincoln and I would be allowed to vote. Poll workers are volunteers who have no expertise in handwriting analysis, which is already a highly dubious “science.” Authentication via signature is worthless. Fortunately, we have a far superior alternative to identify people: ID cards.
Modern ID cards typically come with all sorts of key identifying marks that a layperson can look for. Additionally, they have a photo for easy comparison, and nowadays many come with holograms that are extremely hard to counterfeit. And who is going to go to the trouble and expense to engage in voting fraud? An ID card is a simple thing that almost all voters possess and it accomplishes the desired authentication much more reliably than a signature.
It’s more obtuse to pretend that ID cards are not superior identification compared to a signature.
Voter ID should be a precondition to casting ones vote in an election .
It's a failed analogy. One situation is based merely on ones word, the other is based on state verified identity.
That is an opinion. The FACT is that signature comparison has been THE major standard to authenticate identification for as long as I can remember. I can remember a bank comparing my signature on my Social Security card to my signature on a check. I was 15.
You are? Is Abraham Lincoln registered in your district? Did you practice forging his signature or does forgery come naturally?
Seriously, that's a ridiculous posit.
Yet as I have stated many times, voter registration does NOT include photos AND NO state voters rolls include photos of voter. Nor do they include any other 'key identifying marks that a layperson can look for.'
So poll workers ONLY have ONE form of authentication to compare, a signature.
BINGO!
Again, a photo is NOT what poll workers use to authenticate the identity of a voter, a signature IS.
Since I haven't made that argument, THAT is a strawman fallacy.
Note that not ONE state that demands photo IDs has altered their registration standards to include photos on registration cards. It's clear why this is true. States can't charge citizens to register to vote. The cost to the state to re-register everyone and issue PHOTO registration cards is prohibitive. Hell, the cost to states for just the 'free' IDs for those who can afford to acquire the documents to get one is in the 100s of millions every year.