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DeSantis tells CPAC to 'put on full armor of God,' says 'shield of faith' will protect them from the Left

  
Via:  XXJefferson51  •  2 years ago  •  154 comments

By:   Ryan Foley Christian Post Reporter

DeSantis tells CPAC to 'put on full armor of God,' says 'shield of faith' will protect them from the Left
“The woke is the new religion of the Left, and this is what they have in mind,” he said. “That’s why they want CRT [critical race theory] because they want to divide the country. That’s why they remove statues of Thomas Jefferson, and Abraham Lincoln, and Teddy Roosevelt, take George Washington’s name off schools. Because they want to erase that history.” “They want to delegitimize our founding institutions and they want to replace that with their left-wing ideology as the foundational...

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DeSantis tells CPAC to 'put on full armor of God,' says 'shield of faith' will protect them from the Left



By Ryan Foley , Christian Post Reporter


Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis told one of the largest national annual gatherings of conservative activists this week to put on a “full armor of God” as he vowed to lead the charge to make 2022 “the year that America fought back” against what he called the “woke” Left. 

Considered a contender for a potential 2024 Republican presidential run, Desantis spoke at the 2022 Conservative Political Action Conference Thursday in Orlando, arguing that America should be concerned about the left’s embrace of “wokeism” and attempts to “marginalize” conservative views from the mainstream culture. 

DeSantis also took shots at the Joe Biden presidency, further raising speculation that he plans to launch a bid for the Republican nomination for president in 2024.

“All told, he’s had the worst first year of any president since the 1800s,” DeSantis asserted. 

He criticized the agenda of congressional Democrats, saying their agenda would have become a reality “if they had just elected a couple more U.S. Senators.”

Currently, the U.S. Senate is a 50-50 split between the two parties, making it difficult for progressives to enact their preferred policy proposals even though they have a slight majority since Vice President Kamala Harris casts the tie-breaking vote. 

“They were going to pack the U.S. Supreme Court. They were going to make D.C. a state so they would have two radical, left-wing Democrat senators for life,” he said. “They were going to abolish the electoral college so California could … elect the president, and they wanted to federalize fraudulent ballot practices.”

DeSantis argued that Democrats’ congressional ambitions attempt to “marginalize the conservative half of the country” so they would become “powerless” to fight back against their “ideological aims.”

“The woke is the new religion of the Left, and this is what they have in mind,” he said. “That’s why they want CRT [critical race theory] because they want to divide the country. That’s why they remove statues of Thomas Jefferson, and Abraham Lincoln, and Teddy Roosevelt, take George Washington’s name off schools. Because they want to erase that history.”

“They want to delegitimize our founding institutions and they want to replace that with their left-wing ideology as the foundational principles of our modern-day society,” he continued.

He contended that many American institutions — the media, academia and “Big Tech” — have bought into the tenets of “wokeism.”

The governor urged the crowd to help make “2022 the year that America fought back,” vowing to “lead the charge here in Florida.”

He maintained that such an effort would require people to “put on that full armor of God, to stand firm against the left’s schemes.” He predicted: “you’ll be met with flaming arrows, but the shield of faith will stop them.”

DeSantis remarked, “there is no substitute for courage.” 

He praised those who have the “courage” to stand up against “cancel culture,” “corporate media narratives,” “Big Tech” and the Biden administration. 

DeSantis also declared victory over “Faucism,” touting Florida's approach to dealing with the coronavirus pandemic, which has received pushback from liberals. 


With relatively lax COVID-19 mitigation policies, DeSantis said the state had attracted a multitude of new residents during the coronavirus and became a top vacation destination for those seeking refuge from restrictive coronavirus lockdowns and politicians who supported such policies.

He attributed Florida's popularity to the fact that his administration “refused to let this state descend into some type of Faucian dystopia where people’s freedoms are curtailed and their livelihoods are destroyed.”

“We protected people’s rights. We protected people’s jobs. We protected small businesses, and we made sure that every kid in the state of Florida had an opportunity to go to school in person, five days a week,” he proclaimed.

“In Florida, we reject the biomedical security state, which erodes liberty, harms livelihoods and divides our society. And we not only reject it if it’s government, we have done things like ban vaccine passports and mandates because it’s unacceptable to simply subcontract out … Faucism to big companies.”

DeSantis repeatedly mentioned Dr. Anthony Fauci, the head of the National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases, who became the public face of the U.S. government’s efforts to fight the coronavirus pandemic and advocated for measures such as mask mandates, lockdowns and in-person worship restrictions to stop the spread of the disease.

Florida resisted the calls to implement such measures throughout most of the pandemic, leading DeSantis to declare that “Florida has defeated Faucism.”

“Freedom has prevailed in the Sunshine State,” he said, as the crowd erupted into applause.

“My duty is to stand up and protect the freedoms and the jobs of the people I represent and if that puts me in political jeopardy, then so be it. I will stand with them. I’m not going to try to protect my own hide.”

DeSantis’ speech touched on other contentious debates in American politics, including whether trans-identified biological males should be able to compete in female athletic competitions because they identify as female.

“We in Florida were one of the first states to stand up and protect women’s athletics,” he said. “We’re not going to let our young girls and our women athletes have opportunities denied for them because of ideology and political correctness.”

Speaking on another controversial topic he and the Florida legislature have addressed, DeSantis told the crowd about how the state banned the teaching of critical race theory in public classrooms. At the time the bill was passed last June, DeSantis said it would prevent the teaching of curricula that could “distort historical events.” 

“Because we will not spend taxpayer money to teach our kids to hate our country or to hate each other, we have banned [critical race theory] in K-12 education,” DeSantis told CPAC. 

“Instead, we have the most robust civics education anywhere in the country. We’re going to have citizenship exams for graduating seniors, and we’re giving teachers the opportunity to go through a civics boot camp and get a $3,000 bonus.”

CPAC concludes with a straw poll, where the attendees indicate which hypothetical Republican presidential candidate they support.

Former President Donald Trump won last year’s straw poll with 55% of the vote, while DeSantis came in second with 21%. If Trump did not run, DeSantis would become the frontrunner, with 43% of respondents expressing support for the Florida governor. The second-place finisher in the straw poll, South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem, received 11% support.


Ryan Foley is a reporter for The Christian Post. He can be reached at: ryan.foley@christianpost.com


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XXJefferson51
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1  seeder  XXJefferson51    2 years ago
With relatively lax COVID-19 mitigation policies, DeSantis said the state had attracted a multitude of new residents during the coronavirus and became a top vacation destination for those seeking refuge from restrictive coronavirus lockdowns and politicians who supported such policies.

He attributed Florida's popularity to the fact that his administration “refused to let this state descend into some type of Faucian dystopia where people’s freedoms are curtailed and their livelihoods are destroyed.”

“We protected people’s rights. We protected people’s jobs. We protected small businesses, and we made sure that every kid in the state of Florida had an opportunity to go to school in person, five days a week,” he proclaimed

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1    2 years ago
“In Florida we reject the biomedical security state which erodes liberty harms livelihoods and divides our society. And we not only reject it if it’s government we have done things like ban vaccine passports and mandates because it’s unacceptable to simply subcontract out  Faucism to big companies.”

He maintained that such an effort would require people to “put on that full armor of God, to stand firm against the left’s schemes.” He predicted: “you’ll be met with flaming arrows, but the shield of faith will stop them.”

DeSantis remarked there is no substitute for courage

He praised those who have the courage to stand up against cancel culture. corporate media narratives  Big Tech and the Biden administration 
 
 
 
epistte
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1.2  epistte  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1    2 years ago

If you bothered to read your bible, Jesus was "woke".  Maybe you should take the hint.  I'd start with the Sermon On The Mount.  Jesus wasn't a Republican or a capitalist.

 Do I need to explain the implications of your god supposedly being omniscient and omnipotent, or can you figure that out?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2  JohnRussell    2 years ago

DeSantis sounds like a fricking crackpot

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  JohnRussell @2    2 years ago

He is exactly right about every last word he spoke in that speech.  People like him and ideals like his are why the woke left will never win America over to their failed secular religious ideology. He is what you get from us if we don’t give to Trump instead because he doesn’t run again.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1    2 years ago
He is exactly right about every last word he spoke in that speech.

And he's a young, proven commodity.  We'll gladly take him!

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.1    2 years ago

And l loved his reference to God and Christian basics in his call to battle against the woke secular left.  [Deleted]

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.2  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @2    2 years ago

You are talking about our next president.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.2.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Right Down the Center @2.2    2 years ago

That’s the bottom line for these people.  We are going to give them Trump or De Santis to replace their discredited sleaze bag scum that occupies the White House now.  Let’s go Brandon will have a whole new meaning on Jan 20, 2025!  

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.2.2  Right Down the Center  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.2.1    2 years ago

I have to say Joe was a huge disappointment.  Going from a moderate to a far left wing nut almost overnight.  It will be tough when historians try to choose between him and Carter as to who is the worst president ever.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.2.3  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Right Down the Center @2.2.2    2 years ago

He was never truly a moderate.  He was a genuine liberal Union pro working class liberal at least until he became VP.  People still thought of him as a regular liberal not a progressive the squad crack pot.  He abandoned to traditional liberal image he spend a lifetime cultivating in the hopes of cramming through 51-50 and endless series of FDR like transformations in search of a legacy.  Instead he wins displacing Carter as the worst post civil war president ever

 
 
 
epistte
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2.3  epistte  replied to  JohnRussell @2    2 years ago

He is a crackpot preaching to people who are dumb enough to vote for him.  This is a speech about electing him as the most sane man in a psych hospital.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.3.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  epistte @2.3    2 years ago

If you don’t want Trump then he is what the alternative is to replace Biden in 24.  After CPAC though, it’s all Trump right now!  

 
 
 
epistte
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2.3.2  epistte  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.3.1    2 years ago

I will not be voting republican in this lifetime and the next doesn't look good either. Biden is acceptable but I'd rather have a real progressive such as Bernie.

Gov. John Kasich was a TEAparty bootlick and he looks possibly intelligent and pragmatic compared to these nutjobs. There is not a single republican that I could vote for. The last Republicans I voted for were either Ralph Regula or George Voinovich.  They would be blue-dog democrats now.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.4  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2    2 years ago

Yup, I can see you're all ready for 2024.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.4.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.4    2 years ago

Well he has a choice between him or Trump….

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3  JohnRussell    2 years ago
He attributed Florida's popularity to the fact that his administration “refused to let this state descend into some type of Faucian dystopia where people’s freedoms are curtailed and their livelihoods are destroyed.”

Florida is a popular destination because it has a nice weather 365 days a year

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  JohnRussell @3    2 years ago

So does coastal California.  Yet we were not a tourist magnet in those lockdown/mandate/ Passport sections of the state.  In my area  https://visitredding.com,  tourism was its usual strong self but we live Florida style here.  Greater Idaho! 

 
 
 
JBB
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4  JBB    2 years ago

Desantis shoveled shit to CPAC and they gobbled it.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  JBB @4    2 years ago

He told the truth and the secular progressive wokevleft can’t stand it that he/we do openly speak and show our sheer and utter contempt for that ideology and it’s leaders.  

 
 
 
CB
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4.1.1  CB  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.1    2 years ago

Yes, we know some conservatives have contempt for their fellow citizens. Go back into those small rural communities you all love and please shut the door behind you. Contempt away-there.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.1.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @4.1.1    2 years ago

We saw the contempt the left holds for us north of the border in Ottawa a couple weeks ago and understand that they’d do that to us here too in a heart beat if only they could.  

 
 
 
CB
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4.1.3  CB  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.1.2    2 years ago

Now that's some spin you have there. Are we "all Canadians" NOW?

 
 
 
CB
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5  CB    2 years ago

So stupid. I am glad I am "woke" and not just stupid. And for this 'thing' to wrap itself in spirituality while demonizing and otherizing innocent, decent people is shockingly stupid.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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5.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @5    2 years ago

Otherizing is what the woke secular left and it’s cancel culture do to all of us who presume to dare to stand up to and oppose their dogma.  

 
 
 
CB
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5.1.1  CB  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.1    2 years ago

We grant some conservatives the freedom to be conservative (in Redding, is it?), but y'all are not content to be small and regional. It is you all who insist on controlling the lives of people who live 'world-class' and otherwise would not even know y'all were alive-if you simply stay behind your isolation walls. Of course, some conservatives, otherize and demonize liberals. Own up to your 'shit.' And vice-versa. Though, need I even need to bother with which so-called party 'started' the maligning in the first place? Why bother. Some conservatives are purveyors of it now!

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  CB @5.1.1    2 years ago
We grant some conservatives the freedom to be conservative

Amazing. When were you granted such powers?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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5.1.3  Right Down the Center  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.2    2 years ago

Maybe you should  just have been happy to stay regional and not encroached on people living their "world class" lives.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.1.4  Texan1211  replied to  Right Down the Center @5.1.3    2 years ago

Lol!!

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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5.1.5  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @5.1.1    2 years ago
We grant some conservatives the freedom to be conservative (in Redding, is it?)

you grant us?  No, God did that per the Declaration of Independence. What were you and Newsome going to do?  Send in state police and regulatory agencies personnel from disease wracked urban areas to compel obedience?  Well that was going to happen in late Sept/Oct 2020 when we finally hit purple but then the coastal urban areas got hit hard by the 2nd wave and they had to keep their own in line and close outdoor dining and go full gestapo in LA.  

 
 
 
CB
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5.1.6  CB  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.2    2 years ago

Why take the worst 'case' to just continue on? I won't bother explaining farther on the obvious meaning of that.

 
 
 
CB
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5.1.7  CB  replied to  Right Down the Center @5.1.3    2 years ago

Some of us live in urbane settings and we are not going to apologize for it  Furthermore, without us what outlets to the world is there? Cities, are where people congregate in large populations and where greater commerce is carried out for the good of us all!

 
 
 
CB
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5.1.8  CB  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.1.5    2 years ago

Irresponsible rhetoric is all that is.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.1.9  Texan1211  replied to  CB @5.1.6    2 years ago
I won't bother explaining farther on the obvious meaning of that.

Thank you. Whew!

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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5.1.10  Right Down the Center  replied to  CB @5.1.7    2 years ago

Do you have any idea what you are talking about?  You seem to be shot gunning all over the place.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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5.1.11  Right Down the Center  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.9    2 years ago

That should save you a headache

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.1.12  Texan1211  replied to  Right Down the Center @5.1.10    2 years ago
Do you have any idea what you are talking about?  You seem to be shot gunning all over the place.

You can expect to be ALL OVER THE PLACE.

A topic is something foreign apparently, but deflections and projections are the "norm".

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.1.13  Texan1211  replied to  Right Down the Center @5.1.11    2 years ago
That should save you a headache

Yes, THANKFULLY!

I have tried in the past to stick to one topic, but every time, it magically changes from one post to another.

 
 
 
CB
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5.1.14  CB  replied to  Right Down the Center @5.1.10    2 years ago

*Sputter* much? Concentrate on the content of your comment and less on my 'state' if you don't mind.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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5.1.15  Right Down the Center  replied to  CB @5.1.14    2 years ago

I don't need to concentrate on my response, it was very clear.  It is your response to my comment that is not coherent.  If you don't want me to focus on your comment to me I suggest you don't respond to me at all.

 
 
 
CB
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5.1.16  CB  replied to  Right Down the Center @5.1.15    2 years ago

Yes, you need to concentrate more on content and less on repartee. I digress. For example:

Cities, are where people congregate in large populations and where greater commerce is carried out for the good of us all!

Is the above statement true or false?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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5.1.17  Right Down the Center  replied to  CB @5.1.16    2 years ago

That has nothing to do with my comment and seems like nothing more than a poor diversion attempt. I won't follow you down your rabbit hole.

 
 
 
arkpdx
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5.2  arkpdx  replied to  CB @5    2 years ago

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XXJefferson51
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5.3  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @5    2 years ago

Otherizing is what the secular left and it’s woke cancel culture do to we who dare to stand up to and either disagree with or oppose their statist dogma.

 
 
 
CB
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6  CB    2 years ago
They want to delegitimize our founding institutions and they want to replace that with their left-wing ideology as the foundational...

The founding fathers, were they alive in their graves, would be grimacing now. How STUPID is it to think that 18th century representative democracy can supersede present day democracy. Just patently stupid. A static constitution is stupid. But, I am pretty sure I know why some conservatives wish to believe and hold to a static constitution. . . .

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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6.1  Right Down the Center  replied to  CB @6    2 years ago
The founding fathers, were they alive in their graves, would be grimacing now.

If the founding fathers were alive in their graves they would have more pressing issues than thinking about if 18th century representative democracy can supersede present day democracy.  But it is nice of you to think you can speak for them.

 
 
 
CB
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6.1.1  CB  replied to  Right Down the Center @6.1    2 years ago

Yet, here you are supporting 18th century democracy above the times in which you dwell and the people amongst who you exist. Time to move away from the past: let it die for once and for all! Oh and as for the founding fathers, it is impossible for any one of them to be alive in the grave. Why? Because graves are for the dead!

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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6.1.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @6.1.1    2 years ago

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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6.1.3  Right Down the Center  replied to  CB @6.1.1    2 years ago
Yet, here you are supporting 18th century democracy above the times in which you dwell and the people amongst who you exist.

You are done speaking for the dead founding fathers and have moved on to speaking for me?  Interesting.

 
 
 
CB
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6.1.4  CB  replied to  Right Down the Center @6.1.3    2 years ago

You are the living representative of what you hold dear? Why don't you know this? Moreover, I was not speaking for the founding fathers! They are dead men and I fully understand what that means to today's world. The issue for today, is some conservatives are attempting to hold the founding fathers up as SENTINELS to modern society. That goes beyond the role of founders-who begin a foundation for others to BUILD something better and beyond!

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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6.1.5  Nowhere Man  replied to  Right Down the Center @6.1.3    2 years ago
have moved on to speaking for me?  Interesting.

he does that a lot when his faulty logic is exposed...

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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6.1.6  Right Down the Center  replied to  Nowhere Man @6.1.5    2 years ago

He must do that alot then.  Between that and his circular logic it is impossible to have a discussion with him.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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6.1.7  Texan1211  replied to  CB @6.1.1    2 years ago
Oh and as for the founding fathers, it is impossible for any one of them to be alive in the grave. Why? Because graves are for the dead!

Do you understand that he quoted YOU?????

You:  The founding fathers, were they alive in their graves, would be grimacing now.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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6.1.8  Right Down the Center  replied to  CB @6.1.4    2 years ago

Oh, sorry, I thought it was you that said "The founding fathers, were they alive in their graves, would be grimacing now."

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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6.1.9  Right Down the Center  replied to  Texan1211 @6.1.7    2 years ago

Pretty sure the sarcasm of them having more pressing things if they were alive in their grave went a tad over his head also.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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6.1.10  Texan1211  replied to  Right Down the Center @6.1.9    2 years ago

Pretty sure?

No.

Pretty damn sure.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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6.1.11  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Texan1211 @6.1.7    2 years ago

Yes, you are right!  👏👍Oops! jrSmiley_91_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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6.1.12  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  XXJefferson51 @6.1.2    2 years ago

Thanks to Ron De Santis for putting such a great and awesome overt to God, religion, and Christianity in his CPAC speech.  Well done!  

 
 
 
CB
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6.1.13  CB  replied to  Right Down the Center @6.1.6    2 years ago

Continue to talk amongst yourselves. . . .  jrSmiley_72_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Texan1211
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6.1.14  Texan1211  replied to  CB @6.1.13    2 years ago
Continue to talk amongst yourselves

Will do!

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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6.1.15  Right Down the Center  replied to  CB @6.1.13    2 years ago

Thank you for granting us permission.  jrSmiley_43_smiley_image.gif

.

 
 
 
CB
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6.1.16  CB  replied to  Right Down the Center @6.1.15    2 years ago

You're welcome. jrSmiley_43_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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6.2  Nowhere Man  replied to  CB @6    2 years ago
But, I am pretty sure I know why some conservatives wish to believe and hold to a static constitution. . . .

The Constitution is not static, in any way shape or form, It was designed this way.. The problem with your side of the aisle is that it doesn't change fast enough for you... You need consensus to change the constitution, and without consensus, it shouldn't be changed... Your side cannot accept this...

That is the major problem with the left and leftists in general...

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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6.2.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Nowhere Man @6.2    2 years ago
You need consensus to change the constitution, and without consensus, it shouldn't be changed... Your side cannot accept this... That is the major problem with the left and leftists in general...

That’s the bottom line here.  We have two ways to change or amend the constitution and if there is consensus on a change then it has been made.  It’s not some living document that changes based on the whim of a judge who suddenly decides it has been all wrong for 200+ years 

 
 
 
CB
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6.2.2  CB  replied to  Nowhere Man @6.2    2 years ago

I am sure you think you said something useful there, but if consent is not given where progress is essential, what good and how valuable is consent that never appears?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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6.2.3  Texan1211  replied to  CB @6.2.2    2 years ago

And who deems what is essential? You?

Looks like you missed the whole point of consent.

 
 
 
CB
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6.2.4  CB  replied to  XXJefferson51 @6.2.1    2 years ago

Some conservatives see themselves as benefiting from a static constitution.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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6.2.5  Right Down the Center  replied to  CB @6.2.2    2 years ago
but if consent is not given where progress is essential, what good and how valuable is consent that never appears?

That sounds like something Putin would say to his people before invading another country.  

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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6.2.6  Nowhere Man  replied to  CB @6.2.2    2 years ago

The logic is thus...

IF the proposed "progress" is perceived as good, the majority of people will see it and come to a consensus, accept it and effectuate the change...

IF the proposed "progress" isn't perceived as good, then they will not come to a consensus, and hence no change...

What is happening on the left, is YOU have decided what is good for everyone and are trying by any means you deem necessary to FORCE the change that is nowhere near consensus...  That is the definition of authoritarianism...

In this nation, Government works by the consent of the governed... If the governed don't consent in the majority it just plain doesn't happen... It's when that minority proposing the "progress" tries to FORCE it's will upon everyone else where good governance breaks down into anarchy...

When government gets so large that it is capable of forcing it's will onto the citizens, then it is time for one of Thomas Jefferson's revolutions... (which weren't armed revolutions BTW) 

I believe we are about to see one of Jefferson's "revolutions" come this November, much like we saw one in 2010...

 
 
 
CB
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6.2.7  CB  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.3    2 years ago

Your 'consent' can not be our damnation any more than my consent can be yours. Progress is essential for a growing world.

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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6.2.8  Nowhere Man  replied to  CB @6.2.7    2 years ago
Your 'consent' can not be our damnation any more than my consent can be yours. Progress is essential for a growing world.

YES! Progress that EVERYONE, (or most everyone) CAN AGREE ON.... And you are expressing your great disdain for that...

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.9  Texan1211  replied to  CB @6.2.7    2 years ago
Your 'consent' can not be our damnation any more than my consent can be yours. Progress is essential for a growing world.

Why do you argue what no one else is even saying?

 
 
 
CB
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6.2.10  CB  replied to  Right Down the Center @6.2.5    2 years ago

Sounds more like you are off-topic, but maybe that is just me.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
6.2.11  CB  replied to  Nowhere Man @6.2.6    2 years ago
In this nation, Government works by the consent of the governed... If the governed don't consent in the majority it just plain doesn't happen... It's when that minority proposing the "progress" tries to FORCE it's will upon everyone else where good governance breaks down into anarchy..

BTW, and this is relevant, despite the obliqueness, where do you stand on the January 6, 2021 capitol hill invasion? Was it an insurrection or patriot "duty"? (If you choose to answer the question, I will follow-up. If not, I will take it for granted you merely choose to by-pass on moving forward in discussion.)

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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6.2.12  Jack_TX  replied to  CB @6.2.2    2 years ago
but if consent is not given where progress is essential, what good and how valuable is consent that never appears?

Much of what is promised to be "progress" is not, and much of what is advertised as "essential" is not.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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6.2.13  Texan1211  replied to  CB @6.2.11    2 years ago
BTW, and this is relevant, despite the obliqueness, where do you stand on the January 6, 2021 capitol hill invasion? Was it an insurrection or patriot "duty"? (If you choose to answer the question, I will follow-up. If not, I will take it for granted you merely choose to by-pass on moving forward in discussion.)

To quote:

Sounds more like you are off-topic, but maybe that is just me.
 
 
 
CB
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6.2.14  CB  replied to  Nowhere Man @6.2.6    2 years ago
IF the proposed "progress" isn't perceived as good, then they will not come to a consensus, and hence no change...

Perceptions, at some point and time, can be like flies buzzing around and on top of a dog shit pile. What do you wish to be, part of the solution or continuation of the problem 'society'? That is what you have to ask yourself while standing hidden in the 'pack'! Didn't you tell me you stood a moral high ground in the 60's with Dr. King? Or is that someone else? Just let me know which man you are so I can address him sufficiently! Dr. King changed the surrounding political environment through the force of his rhetoric and attending actions. . . . A minority voice that was proven to be morally correct!

Do what is morally correct and nudge the nation forward, instead of dreaming of holding back the tide from those whom some conservatives merely choose to despise for no other (good) reason!

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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6.2.15  Jack_TX  replied to  CB @6.2.7    2 years ago
Your 'consent' can not be our damnation any more than my consent can be yours. Progress is essential for a growing world.

I'm curious about your connecting "progress" to "Constitutional changes".  What Constitutional change are you referring to?

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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6.2.16  Jack_TX  replied to  CB @6.2.11    2 years ago
Was it an insurrection or patriot "duty"?

Why would those be the only choices?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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6.2.17  Right Down the Center  replied to  CB @6.2.10    2 years ago

It's just you.

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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6.2.18  Nowhere Man  replied to  CB @6.2.14    2 years ago
Didn't you tell me you stood a moral high ground in the 60's with Dr. King? Or is that someone else? Just let me know which man you are so I can address him sufficiently! Dr. King changed the surrounding political environment through the force of his rhetoric and attending actions. . . . A minority voice that was proven to be morally correct!

You see this is where I differ on Dr King with YOUR PERCEPTION OF DR KNG... 

Dr King was a leader, a leader who scared the bejesus out of the political establishment of the day.. WHY? 

A genuine leader is not a searcher for consensus but a molder of consensus.”– Martin Luther King Jr., from “ The Domestic Impact of War ,” 1967.

A SEARCHER of consensus tries thru logic to force others to come to agreement, a MOLDER of consensus achieves it by plainly stating the truth and allow others to make their own determination of the truth of what it presented...

Dr King was a MOLDER of consensus, you are a SEARCHER of consensus, your strategy will never lead to a consensus, hence why you have to FORCE your view on everyone else... And that is the typical leftist paradigm, you look at what they want and it is neither truthful nor just, this is why they have to resort to force to get what they want...

You do not represent what the good Dr represented... Despite your loud proclamations of the righteousness and morality of your cause...

When the people agree the country changes, when they don't it won't.... The people and I, agreed with Dr King,  we don't agree with you...

And thank you for pointing out the perfect example of what consensus is and isn't...

 
 
 
CB
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6.2.19  CB  replied to  Nowhere Man @6.2.8    2 years ago

Agree to progress and stop 'butchering' discussion!

 
 
 
CB
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6.2.20  CB  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.9    2 years ago

Whatever are you going on about now? Get a point!

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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6.2.21  Nowhere Man  replied to  CB @6.2.19    2 years ago
Agree to progress and stop 'butchering' discussion!

Progress for progress's sake is insanity.... No one agree to "progress" without some understanding of where said progress is going to lead...

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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6.2.22  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @6.2.2    2 years ago

If there is genuine consensus that said progress is essential then it will happen.  It was not designed to be changed upon a whim of a slight majority at one point in time to cram its will down the throat of a minority at the time.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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6.2.23  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @6.2.4    2 years ago

If it were static there would not be 17 amendments added since the bill of rights were added as a condition of it being accepted by some of the states.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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6.2.24  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @6.2.7    2 years ago

Progress according to you?  Progress according to me?  Only progress that is believed in by both of us at the same time along with many believing as each of us does that things for the greater good can be done.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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6.2.25  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @6.2.10    2 years ago

The topic is actually the content of gov. De Santis speech to CPAC about his ideas and actions as Governor of Florida.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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6.2.26  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @6.2.20    2 years ago

Come on, be nice.  We can agree to disagree or have differences of outlook and opinion and still treat each other with common decency and respect.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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6.2.27  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @6.2.19    2 years ago

It is not butchering the discussion to agree about progress but have different ideas as to what constitutes progress.  Neither conservatives nor progressives will tolerate the other imposing diametrically opposed visions for the country upon all of it either by law or regulation or court ruling or constitutional amendment.  That’s why a weaker federal government with each living as it sees fit in their own county or city is a better model.  The speaker whose words we are talking about is expressing opposition to top down cram downs of secular progressive oppression upon the rest of us.  

 
 
 
CB
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6.2.28  CB  replied to  Jack_TX @6.2.12    2 years ago

Says who, you? What is this jealousy of other people and the things they do with their freedoms (different from your own)?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
6.2.29  CB  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.13    2 years ago

Then ignore it Texan. I qualified my statement quite nicely, nevertheless.

 
 
 
CB
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6.2.30  CB  replied to  Jack_TX @6.2.15    2 years ago

A broad spectrum of twenty-something century happenings, Jack_TX. You can pick any one of those from its list.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
6.2.31  CB  replied to  Jack_TX @6.2.16    2 years ago

Nice dodge. Keep up the good work.  /s

 
 
 
CB
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6.2.32  CB  replied to  Nowhere Man @6.2.18    2 years ago
Dr King was a MOLDER of consensus, you are a SEARCHER of consensus, your strategy will never lead to a consensus, hence why you have to FORCE your view on everyone else... And that is the typical leftist paradigm, you look at what they want and it is neither truthful nor just, this is why they have to resort to force to get what they want...

Projection REJECTED.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Professor Quiet
6.2.33  Jack_TX  replied to  CB @6.2.28    2 years ago
Says who, you?

I would ask you the same question about "progress" and "essential".

What is this jealousy of other people and the things they do with their freedoms (different from your own)?

It's a massive and bizarre projection on your part.  

Exactly whom do you imagine is the subject of my "jealousy"?? 

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Professor Quiet
6.2.34  Jack_TX  replied to  CB @6.2.30    2 years ago
A broad spectrum of twenty-something century happenings, Jack_TX. You can pick any one of those from its list.

Not so much.

As you've seen, these conversations go better when you actually say something concrete that we can discuss.

So again, in what way do you want the Constitution changed?  Be specific.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
6.2.35  CB  replied to  Nowhere Man @6.2.18    2 years ago
When the people agree the country changes, when they don't it won't....

Conservatives did not agree with Dr. King, Medgar Evers, Bobbie Kennedy, or John F. Kennedy and thus they were each assassinated and in each case, change was the benefit reciprocal.  But, keep up this farce of trying to foist revision of Dr. King as some peace-lover without an object of civil rights and better treatment for his people and by extension all people of our mutual shared country.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Professor Quiet
6.2.36  Jack_TX  replied to  CB @6.2.31    2 years ago
Nice dodge. Keep up the good work.  /s

Why would it be a dodge?  There are plenty of other alternatives besides the two batshit extremist options you offered.  

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
6.2.37  CB  replied to  XXJefferson51 @6.2.23    2 years ago

I am not going to dignify that remark. Let's move on. (If you do not follow the use of the term "static" as opposed to "living" in discussions about the constitution, I don't have the time to squander on it.  We can talk about the two terms usages after you 'catch up.'

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
6.2.38  CB  replied to  XXJefferson51 @6.2.24    2 years ago

You can not expect cities dwellers to exist as farmers and plains people, Jefferson. It simply won't work. We have a "diversity" of values and it should be appreciated whether than contested at every 'turn.'

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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6.2.39  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Right Down the Center @6.2.17    2 years ago

Woke

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CB
Professor Principal
6.2.40  CB  replied to  Jack_TX @6.2.33    2 years ago

If you are not jealous of our liberties to be diverse and progress, what is the problem? What are you striving against with me, us?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
6.2.41  CB  replied to  Jack_TX @6.2.36    2 years ago

Nice dodge x2.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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6.2.42  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @6.2.32    2 years ago

Nowhere man was right about all that he said.  

 
 
 
CB
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6.2.43  CB  replied to  Jack_TX @6.2.34    2 years ago

Why can't you just pick on or several of those "culture war" issues that conservatives like to marshall conservatives around? Off the top of my head, I would say - abortion and a women's right to choose. (ATTENTION! It is beyond the scope of this article and a big issue all its own.)  Perhaps Jefferson (you know his attitude better than I do I presume) won't mind—I did offer you to name your own twentieth century something for yourself, however.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
6.2.44  CB  replied to  XXJefferson51 @6.2.42    2 years ago

jrSmiley_38_smiley_image.gif Words should have substance and 'heft' more often than not.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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6.2.45  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Jack_TX @6.2.36    2 years ago

Exactly.  My ideas on the matter are neither of those. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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6.2.46  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @6.2.37    2 years ago

Washington_Constitutional_Convention_1787.jpg

The late Supreme Court justice Antonin Scalia said it best when he declared, “The Constitution is not a living organism.. it’s a legal document.” Liberal professors and students will often bash conservatives when they stand up for an orginalist interpretation of the United States Constitution in the classroom. Here are four key responses you can use next time a liberal tells you the Constitution is a living document and needs to be constantly changed

  1. Use their language to disprove their argument and tell them “Yes, the Constitution is a living document, but not in the way that you think!” It’s very much alive in that it will always be relevant no matter what the cultural or political climate may be.  
 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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6.2.47  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  XXJefferson51 @6.2.46    2 years ago
The Constitution will never be dead. It will always be an integral part of what makes America the greatest nation on earth.
  1. The Constitution is not a dynamic document. It was not meant to be interpreted in a way to achieve a desired policy-based outcome. The authors did not intend for it to be changed every time there was a swing in popular opinion. The legislative branch of government is filled with officials directly elected by the people serves that purpose.
  1. The genius of the United States Constitution is that it was constructed to withstand the test of time. There are ways to add amendments, but the process is extremely difficult for the reason that it was not intended for it to be easily changed.
 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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6.2.48  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  XXJefferson51 @6.2.47    2 years ago
  1. The Constitution withholds power from the government and gives it to the people. Altering it to give the government more power will be an ultimately irreversible act that can be detrimental to individual liberty.

Constitutional principles, like conservative principles, are timeless.…

read more: https://www.yaf.org/news/9793-2/
 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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6.2.49  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @6.2.38    2 years ago

I never said that.  I know we have a diversity.  That’s why we need to reach consensus that urban coastal and heartland rural people all agree upon in order to in any way change the constitution.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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6.2.50  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @6.2.40    2 years ago

I am not jealous of liberty and diversity.  The problem is when your side defines what you believe “progress” to be and then try to impose it upon us without any input or say so from us.  We will strive against you trying to do that to us as long as we have our present republic.  Period.  

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
6.2.51  CB  replied to  XXJefferson51 @6.2.46    2 years ago

Why would you answer in the abstract? I will respond to you directly. The founders of the Constitution made provision in the document (the amendment process) because they realized and accepted their place in time and space for what it was. That which would recede into history according to life itself. These men were not seeking SAINTHOOD on earth nor MAGNIFICATION of their egos. They wanted so much more. The purposeful unification of people from across the world into a place they could (all) call "home."

In a sense they were ahead of their time. The processes they lived through and endured to "perfect" a union of states for those who come after them were products of their time, former national cultures, and lacks of 'knowing.' None of which is an issue for us today:

Therefore, some conservatives, of your own volitions you CHOOSE to exist in a by-gone era, and are bothered that an entire nation can't settle down with in a return to it. Many of our citizens are bound to moving on ahead through progress.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
6.2.52  CB  replied to  XXJefferson51 @6.2.49    2 years ago

You can not constrict your fellow citizens who inhabit the land you do into political 'bondage' - and that is what you do with when you refuse to let people enjoy the freedoms and liberties (you declare) they possess!  Some conservatives, it is YOU ALL that are the embodiment of all the stresses you feel and think are radiating from liberals!

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
6.2.53  CB  replied to  XXJefferson51 @6.2.50    2 years ago

Foolish. More liberties, in fact, "max liberties" are what the founders had in mind if you peruse the document to is aspirational limits of the imagination. That is, the founders wanted MAX LIBERTIES for people in this place when they would come out of oppressive parts of the world. And they succeeded some what, but then, conservatives got for themselves "parties" and began trying to use their document for its line 'items' to suppress and 'strangle' imagination and dreams by replacing these things with dogmas and unimaginative repressions and even some new suppressions.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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6.2.54  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @6.2.51    2 years ago

America was founded by divine Providence for a divine purpose in this world right up until just before the end of time.  At that point we as a nation and our leaders will turn against all that the founders set up. We need to preserve our constitution and refrain from changes in it that can’t get 38 of the 50 states to ratify.  We can change it when that kind of consensus emerges to make the “desired” changes.  Otherwise it’s good that there are 13 liberal states and 13 conservative states that can block ratification of anything lacking a large consensus.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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6.2.55  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @6.2.52    2 years ago

No it’s not.  It is us opposing intolerant woke secular progressive bicoastal urban elites attempts to impose their will upon us.  We aren’t telling blue state blue cities people how to live their lives. They are trying to do that to us.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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6.2.56  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @6.2.53    2 years ago

Oh no!  Religious Conservatives actually use the constitution to protect ourselves from the bigoted fascist excesses of the bi coastal urban secular progressive elites.  How dare we defend our rights, our liberty, and our freedom.  We will and we’ve got a convoy headed to DC that the war of Russian aggression has taken out of the headlines to stand up for us there soon.  

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Professor Quiet
6.2.57  Jack_TX  replied to  CB @6.2.43    2 years ago
Why can't you just pick on or several of those "culture war" issues that conservatives like to marshall conservatives around?

Because then I would be presuming what you think instead of presuming you can express that for yourself.

Perhaps Jefferson (you know his attitude better than I do I presume) won't mind

I'll let him speak for himself, just as I let you.

—I did offer you to name your own twentieth century something for yourself, however.

I asked you specifically about yours. But since you don't seem to have invested the intellectual effort and have invited me to offer my own suggestions, I'd suggest the "Buffet Amendment", where anytime there is a deficit of more than 3% of GDP, all sitting members of Congress are ineligible for re-election."

I'd also suggest the "Tax Fairness Amendment", where no American can receive more in tax credits and refunds than they have actually paid in taxes.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Professor Quiet
6.2.58  Jack_TX  replied to  CB @6.2.41    2 years ago
Nice dodge x2.

Nice pout.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.59  Texan1211  replied to  CB @6.2.20    2 years ago
Whatever are you going on about now?

Why?

Get a point!

Have one, thanks!!!!

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.60  Texan1211  replied to  CB @6.2.29    2 years ago
I qualified my statement quite nicely, nevertheless.

Qualified?

WRONG!

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
6.2.61  CB  replied to  XXJefferson51 @6.2.55    2 years ago

Untrue. Why do you do that? It is some conservatives who wage political wars and invent stubborn behaviors for others to follow! You all hold back advancements in our country! You all vex the citizenry with your take-backs and 'wild exercises' about freedoms you lose (you do not) when others gain more liberties.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
6.2.62  CB  replied to  XXJefferson51 @6.2.56    2 years ago

Stand up for you on what exactly?   A convoy?  Really? For what?! It is too our national disgrace that we have allowed the number of deaths to Covid-19 that have occurred. And we, you all, have no idea how many lives could have expired to this pandemic had the nation not acted to 'stay its hand' when it did! Just how far-out do you all plan to 'exercise' liberties and 'buck' governance?  Protest have to be for the good and not to make empty noise for its own form or fashion.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
6.2.63  CB  replied to  Jack_TX @6.2.57    2 years ago
"Tax Fairness Amendment"

Okay, so there is the theory, how would that work in practice?  Please proceed. . . .  BTW, stop being petty with the insults, because if we BOTH did it. . .you would not like me very much AT ALL!  I can shovel shit with the best of them and Jack_TX you may think you have seen me 'bottom out'—you have not.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
6.2.64  CB  replied to  Jack_TX @6.2.58    2 years ago
[W]here do you stand on the January 6, 2021 capitol hill invasion? Was it an insurrection or patriot "duty"?

Eliminate one with an apt reply.  C'mon you can do it.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
6.2.65  CB  replied to  XXJefferson51 @6.2.49    2 years ago

And yet there is no reaching consensus with some conservatives who are in 'warring mode' all the time. Some conservatives have ostracized other conservatives who could and would compromise with those whom they perceive as "opponents."

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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6.2.66  Nowhere Man  replied to  CB @6.2.35    2 years ago

You said...

But, keep up this farce of trying to foist revision of Dr. King as some peace-lover without an object of civil rights and better treatment for his people and by extension all people of our mutual shared country.

So what your saying here is Dr King didn't preach Non-violence?

Non-violence ...

From that link I get...

During the years after the bus boycott, King grew increasingly committed to nonviolence. An India trip in 1959 helped him connect more intimately with Gandhi’s legacy. King began to advocate nonviolence not just in a national sphere, but internationally as well: “the potential destructiveness of modern weapons” convinced King that “the choice today is no longer between violence and nonviolence. It is either nonviolence or nonexistence” ( Papers 5:424 ).

He believed that Ghandi had the right way of pushing social change as a group without losing the freedoms of autonomy or individual rights...

But today, the message is twisted into something he never believed in....

King’s Message of Nonviolence Has Been Distorted ...

From that link I get...

In order to evaluate what King’s stance of nonviolence has contributed to our current view of protest (especially black protest), it bears noting that the concept of his nonviolence has been distorted and flattened. Certainly, King was a minister and an intellectual who believed in nonviolence as a personal philosophy against doing harm to other human beings. He extended this belief to a strategy of nonviolent direct action to effect social change.

to this...

At times, opposition comes from those who seem to be on the same political side of activists. In 2016, ahead of an Atlanta demonstration protesting the deaths of unarmed black men, then-Atlanta Mayor Kasim Reed said, “Dr. King would never take a freeway.” Although historically inaccurate, Reed’s position as a liberal Democratic politician is oddly similar to the conservative response to Black Lives Matter protests. Detractors often hold protesters to a misremembered version of King, quoting him on love without doing the work he called for. This is an expected countermeasure. Sharp prescribed nonviolent noncompliance with an oppressor as a way for the oppressed to tap into a power they already possess. But when violent state actors preemptively call for nonviolence to manipulate protesters to comply without addressing their grievance, nonviolence is another way to muzzle the voiceless.

A distortion that Kings call to non-violence is used to muzzle dissent, making it in actuality, a call to violence...

This is the dodge that Black Lives Matter uses to justify it's violence, rioting and burning.... A hate message, they have perverted Dr Kings message into a hate message...

The same message you promote here...

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
6.2.67  CB  replied to  Nowhere Man @6.2.66    2 years ago
So what your saying here is Dr King didn't preach Non-violence? Non-violence ...

Nope. How could you get that wrong? And even wrong enough to bother trying to correct me? Dr. King's 'brand' was non-violence protest modeled after Ghandi of India. It's common knowledge. Why do you think you have to share that?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
6.2.68  CB  replied to  Nowhere Man @6.2.66    2 years ago
He extended this belief to a strategy of nonviolent direct action to effect social change.

Beginning @6.2.67 do take note that I am pulling apart and replying to your comment before reading it completely.  Now then, I have put in bold the words, "social change". . .(using the model of non-violent protests) what form of social change became Dr. King's life's work ?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
6.2.69  CB  replied to  Nowhere Man @6.2.66    2 years ago
At times, opposition comes from those who seem to be on the same political side of activists. In 2016, ahead of an Atlanta demonstration protesting the deaths of unarmed black men, then-Atlanta Mayor Kasim Reed said, “Dr. King would never take a freeway.” Although historically inaccurate, Reed’s position as a liberal Democratic politician is oddly similar to the conservative response to Black Lives Matter protests. Detractors often hold protesters to a misremembered version of King, quoting him on love without doing the work he called for. This is an expected countermeasure. Sharp prescribed nonviolent noncompliance with an oppressor as a way for the oppressed to tap into a power they already possess. But when violent state actors preemptively call for nonviolence to manipulate protesters to comply without addressing their grievance, nonviolence is another way to muzzle the voiceless.

Beginning @ 6.2.67 do take note that I am pulling apart and replying to your comment before reading it whole. Non-sequitar. ( It does not follow , anything Dr. King related. Why 'drop' it into this thread?) Curious.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
6.2.70  CB  replied to  Nowhere Man @6.2.66    2 years ago
This is the dodge that Black Lives Matter uses to justify it's violence, rioting and burning.... A hate message, they have perverted Dr Kings message into a hate message...

Beginning @ 6.2.67 do take note that I am pulling apart and replying to your comment before reading it whole. Non-sequitar. Why do you drag Black Lives Matter (a discussion all its own) into this thread? They have little to nothing to do with Dr. King and his non-violent protests model (as you should well know (that I know)).  Again, curious and. . .disturbing.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
6.2.71  CB  replied to  Nowhere Man @6.2.66    2 years ago
The same message you promote here...

Bullshit. Emphatically. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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6.2.72  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @6.2.62    2 years ago

And yet the most deaths and serious cases happened in the bluest states and cities that had the most lockdowns for the longest times and the strictest mask mandates, vaccine mandates, and passports.  Basically the more controlling the place, the most freedoms lost were the places with most covid cases, hospitalizations, and deaths.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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6.2.73  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @6.2.64    2 years ago

It was neither….period.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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6.2.74  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @6.2.65    2 years ago

The exact same can be said of some  progressive left who do the same to ordinary liberals who might compromise to reach some objective.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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6.2.75  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @6.2.71    2 years ago

Nowhere man is exactly right about what he said here on this thread.  

 
 
 
Moose Knuckle
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7  Moose Knuckle    2 years ago

Did he say the armor of god will protect us?  Let's roll!

384

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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7.1  Nowhere Man  replied to  Moose Knuckle @7    2 years ago
Did he say the armor of god will protect us?  Let's roll!

As long as it is Beskar armor.... I'm down...

Otherwise I'll rely on what god actually gave us... {chuckle}

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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7.1.1  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Nowhere Man @7.1    2 years ago

Otherwise I'll rely on what god actually gave us

Nothing?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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7.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Moose Knuckle @7    2 years ago

Good idea.  Great pic too! jrSmiley_36_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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8  seeder  XXJefferson51    2 years ago
Florida Gov Ron DeSantis told one of the largest national annual gatherings of conservative activists this week to put on a full armor of God as he vowed to lead the charge to make 2022 the year that America fought back against what he called the woke Left

He maintained that such an effort would require people to “put on that full armor of God, to stand firm against the left’s schemes.” He predicted: “you’ll be met with flaming arrows, but the shield of faith will stop them.”

DeSantis remarked, “there is no substitute for courage.” 

He praised those who have the courage to stand up against cancel culture corporate media narratives Big Tech and the Biden administration

[Proselytizing already removed from the seeder's commentary on the article.  Strike two.]
 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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8.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  XXJefferson51 @8    2 years ago

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XXJefferson51
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8.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  XXJefferson51 @8    2 years ago

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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8.2.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  XXJefferson51 @8.2    2 years ago

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Rubio At CPAC: Marxists Will Make Bible Hate Speech

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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8.2.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  XXJefferson51 @8.2    2 years ago

At least Tulsi is familiar with our founding as a nation and our Declaration of Independence. Too bake the bi coastal secular progressive woke elites are trying to eradicate it from our history books.  

 
 
 
pat wilson
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9  pat wilson    2 years ago

Curious choice there for a new avatar. Are you clear on the history of the crusaders ? Unless you're a Roman Catholic you wouldn't touch that symbolism with a 10' pole. In the name of the Vatican crusaders brutalized, raped and murdered any groups that weren't Catholic. It went on from the eleventh century through the seventeenth century. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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9.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  pat wilson @9    2 years ago

It has to do with the title of the seeded article and is that, not anything to do with the Catholic Church or the inquisition.  Expand it and see what I mean.  

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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10  sandy-2021492    2 years ago

Thread @5.1 locked for a derail into slap fighting.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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10.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  sandy-2021492 @10    2 years ago
With conservatives cheering him on, DeSantis urged them to don the “armor of God” and the “shield of faith” as they fight to reclaim the nation in 2024. The stakes, he suggested, are high. “Their goal is not to make our country great,” DeSantis decried of “the left,” marking his closest reference to former President Donald Trump, who coined the phrase “Make America Great Again.” “It’s to marginalize the conservative half of the country. They want us to be powerless. They want us to be voiceless. They want us to be second-class citizens,” DeSantis continued.
https://floridapolitics.com/archives/500414-ron-desantis-urges-cpac-supporters-to-don-armor-of-god-against-wokeness/
 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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11  seeder  XXJefferson51    2 years ago

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XXJefferson51
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11.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  XXJefferson51 @11    2 years ago
“The woke is the new religion of the Left, and this is what they have in mind,” he said. “That’s why they want CRT [critical race theory] because they want to divide the country. That’s why they remove statues of Thomas Jefferson, and Abraham Lincoln, and Teddy Roosevelt, take George Washington’s name off schools. Because they want to erase that history.”

“They want to delegitimize our founding institutions and they want to replace that with their left-wing ideology as the foundational principles of our modern-day society,” he continued.

He contended that many American institutions — the media, academia and “Big Tech” — have bought into the tenets of “wokeism.”

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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11.1.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  XXJefferson51 @11.1    2 years ago
The governor urged the crowd to help make “2022 the year that America fought back,” vowing to “lead the charge here in Florida.” He maintained that such an effort would require people to “put on that full armor of God, to stand firm against the left’s schemes.” He predicted: “you’ll be met with flaming arrows, but the shield of faith will stop them.”

im so glad we live in a country where God was central to our founding and credited with our creation and providing His Providence to bring us into being a nation.  I’m glad His name is mentioned when we pledge our allegiance to our exceptional nation.  I like it that people can’t use our currency with out seeing in whom we trust.  

 
 

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