“I think spying did occur

  
By:  Vic Eldred  •  one week ago  •  47 comments

“I think spying did occur
“I am going to be reviewing both the genesis and the conduct of intelligence activities directed at the Trump campaign during 2016

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The wheels are finally turning on the false narrative of "Trump colluding with Russia".  We (conservatives) have long warned progressives that this day would come. After over two years and millions spent with anti-Trump investigators "investigating" everything Trump, we now know that the President did not conspire with Russia. The President told us all, hundreds of times, that he did no such thing. He was telling the truth. CNN, the Washington Post, The New York Times and MSNBC put forth unverified stories & leaks that proved to be bogus. It is they who lied to us. Those who believed their lies are left disillusioned. CNN & MSNBC's ratings have fallen. So the obvious question now is how we went down this path and why a US President was subjected to all of this?

We already know that the leadership of the FBI and the CIA had a bias against this President. We know that former FBI director James Comey and his disgraced deputy, Andrew McCabe lied & leaked info. We know that members of the Obama administration improperly unmasked American citizens, who were being investigated. We know that the "Steele Dossier" was improperly used to obtain FISA warrants. 

What we heard from AG William Barr on Wednesday is that people may actually be held accountable! Right now there is an IG investigation of the origins of all these investigations. We also learned that the results of that investigation are expected by June. In the meantime the AG is looking into obvious questions, like why the Trump campaign was not advised that there may have been Russian interference. Isn't that the courtesy that was given to Sen Dianne Fienstein, when it was determined that she had a chinese spy on her staff?  That is the norm isn't it?  Funny thing, as it turns out, the Trump campaign was not infiltrated by the Russians. There was no spy. So, again, why didn't the FBI warn Trump?

If you are a civil libertarian, you care. Spying on a political campaign or American citizens is (as Barr says) "a big deal."  At least the old fashioned liberals once believed that. Today's progressives, obviously, do not, at least when it comes to Trump or anyone who serves him.

“If it becomes necessary to look over some former officials’ activities, I expect I’ll be able to heavily rely on Chris,” Barr said. “I believe I have an obligation to make sure government power is not abused.”

Yes, Mr Barr, the time has come. Time to hold people accountable.

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Vic Eldred
1  author  Vic Eldred    one week ago

Now the left will try and smear Barr. 


 
 
 
It Is ME
1.1  It Is ME  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    one week ago
Now the left will try and smear Barr. 

They already are !

Democrats smear anyone they don't like. It's always a "Personal" thing with the "Left". 

 
 
 
WallyW
1.2  WallyW  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    one week ago

The reality of what is coming has really got the liberals and progressive morons running around like headless chickens. Talk about about trying to detract and deny. Pelosi saying she can trust Mueller, but can't trust Barr, and some Dems wanting him impeached!!!!  jrSmiley_98_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Jasper2529
1.3  Jasper2529  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    one week ago
Now the left will try and smear Barr. 

They started yesterday. Pelosi said that she doesn't trust Barr and that he's "off the rails".

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.3.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jasper2529 @1.3    one week ago

We can't trust Barr as AG, but it was no problem to trust Lorreta Lynch

 
 
 
Jasper2529
1.3.2  Jasper2529  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.3.1    one week ago
We can't trust Barr as AG, but it was no problem to trust Lorreta Lynch

<<chuckle>>

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2  JohnRussell    one week ago

The intelligence agencies and the FBI investigated Trump and his campaign, as well they should have. Most people don't call legitimate law enforcement activity "spying" , but knock yourself out. 

As soon as Trump asked Russia to hack his opponent , he kicked open the door to the agencies investigating him as much as they wanted. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2    one week ago
As soon as Trump asked Russia to hack his opponent

He never asked for his opponent to be hacked! Link please..

When did the investigating begin?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    one week ago

Of course he did . He suggested that Russia could "find" Hillary's missing emails. His comments were directly related to news stories about Russia hacking the DNC. So when Trump said it everyone knew he was referring to hacking. His comment referred to what was in the news that day. 

He fucked up, as he has done uncountable times before and since. That, and other things, caught the attention of law enforcement and he became of interest.  There was no conspiracy against Trump, just people in those agencies that were properly alarmed.

This topic has already been investigated. 

Gowdy on Trump's Spy Claims: I'm 'Convinced' FBI Did What Americans Would Want Them to Do

"I am even more convinced that the FBI did exactly what my fellow citizens would want them to do when they got the information they got, and that it has nothing to do with Donald Trump," Trey Gowdy, a South Carolina Republican, said.

"It was Trump himself who said, 'I didn't collude with Russia but if anyone did, I want the FBI to find that out,'" Gowdy said.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.1    one week ago

So, now you finally had to admit he asked them to FIND her DELETED e-mails.

Apologize to the President!

 
 
 
It Is ME
2.1.3  It Is ME  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.1    one week ago
His comments were directly related to news stories about Russia hacking the DNC.

It was all over the PUBLIC airwaves before Trump said it. jrSmiley_88_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.1.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  It Is ME @2.1.3    one week ago

They love to twist or contradict everything Trump says

 
 
 
It Is ME
2.1.5  It Is ME  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.4    one week ago
They love to twist or contradict everything Trump says

Well....Their "base" does have Purposely "Short" and "Ignorant" memories !

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.1.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  It Is ME @2.1.5    one week ago

It's a base that needs to be scared into voting every election cycle!

 
 
 
It Is ME
2.1.7  It Is ME  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.6    one week ago
It's a base that needs to be scared into voting every election cycle!

When things are going well.....They're gonna find that "Little" someone in some corner who isn't doing well. They Must expand that "Little" thing in the corner to make it seem "Grand" !

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
2.1.8  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.4    one week ago

Of course they do. It is always so much easier to blame the other guys than admit any failings on their part. That is just the way the left operates these days...jrSmiley_86_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
WallyW
2.1.9  WallyW  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @2.1.8    one week ago

All Barr is going to do is investigate the investigation...leaving no stone or breadcrumb unturned.

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.1.10  Tessylo  replied to  WallyW @2.1.9    one week ago
'All Barr is going to do is investigate the investigation...leaving no stone or breadcrumb unturned.'

Riiiggghhhhttttttt!

 
 
 
gooseisgone
2.1.11  gooseisgone  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.1    one week ago
Of course he did . He suggested that Russia could "find" Hillary's missing emails.

So John............are you saying every word that comes form Trump's mouth is the absolute truth, it seems you call him a liar on a regular basis, so which is it?

 
 
 
mocowgirl
2.1.12  mocowgirl  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.1    one week ago

Why was the DNC so susceptible to hacking in 2016 after being notified by the FBI in 2015 and also supposedly being hacked by the Sanders campaign?

The Sanders computer expert said the DNC system was not safeguarded properly in 2015.  

https://www.cnn.com/2015/12/18/politics/bernie-sanders-campaign-dnc-suspension/index.html
Two senior Democrats familiar with the program and the investigation told CNN that the Sanders campaign accessed turnout projections for Iowa caucuses and the New Hampshire primary, a key piece of strategy the Clinton campaign has been working on with modeling and analytics.
The Sanders team, which consisted of four people, ran multiple searches in Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, South Carolina and about 10 March states, including Florida and Colorado. In Iowa and New Hampshire, the Clinton campaign has ranked voters on a scale of 1-100 for turnout, enthusiasm and support, the senior Democrats said. The Sanders campaign ran two searches: "Show me all the Clinton people rated higher than 60" and "Show me all the people rated less than 30." This would be a key way of knowing who Sanders should target in the final weeks before voting: Ignore those above 60, while focus on those below 30, because they are looking for a Clinton alternative and might be open to Sanders.
The investigation into what information was lifted should only take a few days as there are audit logs and trails of the activity, which took place beginning around 10:40 a.m. and lasting for about 40 minutes, the senior Democrats said.
They added that the Clinton campaign views this as a big deal but will not say so publicly because it will fan the flames of liberal groups trying to fight with the DNC.
In a statement released Friday afternoon, the Clinton campaign called for the Sanders campaign and the DNC to "work expeditiously to ensure that our data is not in the Sanders campaign's account and that the Sanders campaign only have access to their own data."

'Inappropriate overreaction'

At Friday's press conference, Weaver said, "The DNC is clearly acting in a heavy-handed way, in an unprecendented way. I would like to see another instance where a presidential campaign had their data -- their own data -- withheld under similar circumstances."
The Sanders campaign sought an injunction against the DNC Friday afternoon, claiming irreparable harm and seeking immediate access to the voter file system. A campaign aide said earlier Friday that there was no expectation the DNC would grant access before the close of business Friday.
Weaver said the original problem with the database's security, which did not involve the current database access company NGP VAN, dated back to October.
"We were very concerned that large amounts of our own data was being downloaded and we contacted the DNC to remedy the situation," he said. "We talked to them and we were assured that this was going to be taken care of. But apparently they are not competent in terms of maintaining the security of their data between the campaigns."
The DNC, however, had a very different story.
Shortly after Weaver's press conference, DNC chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz said suspending the Sanders' campaign's access was the only way to ensure the voter file was properly safeguarded.

'Protect' voter file

"That is the only way that we can make sure that we can protect our significant asset that is the voter file and its integrity," Wasserman Schultz said on CNN.
She said "multiple staffers" from the Sanders campaign downloaded information that they did not have the right to collect.
"They not only viewed it, but they exported it and they downloaded it," Wasserman Schultz told CNN's Wolf Blitzer. "We don't know the depth of what they actually viewed and downloaded. We have to make sure that they did not manipulate the information."
She added, "That is just like if you walked into someone's home when the door was unlocked and took things that don't belong to you in order to use them for your own benefit. That's inappropriate. Unacceptable."
The DNC also sent out a strongly worded message from Wasserman Schultz to its members accusing the Sanders campaign of improper conduct.
"Over the course of approximately 45 minutes, staffers of the Bernie Sanders campaign inappropriately accessed voter targeting data belonging to the Hillary Clinton campaign," Wasserman Schultz said in the message.
"Once the DNC became aware that the Sanders campaign had inappropriately and systematically accessed Clinton campaign data, and in doing so violated the agreement that all the presidential campaigns have signed with the DNC, as the agreement provides, we directed NGP VAN [the vendor that supplies access to the database] to suspend the Sanders campaign's access to the system until the DNC is provided with a full accounting of whether or not this information was used and the way in which it was disposed," she added.

Fired Sanders staffer

Josh Uretsky, Sanders' national data director who was fired Thursday by the campaign for accessing the database, told CNN Friday that he was not trying to look at Clinton's data and denied that voter file information had been downloaded.
"We knew there was a security breach in the data, and we were just trying to understand it and what was happening," Uretsky said.
He said that none of the data the Sanders campaign accessed on Wednesday "left the system that day" and denied that he or his staff "downloaded any individual level voter file data."
Uretsky said he and his team downloaded only phone numbers but did so to alert the DNC and NGP VAN that the Sanders campaign was aware the campaigns' voter info in the DNC database wasn't being properly protected.
"We knew that what we were doing was being recorded," he told CNN. "We didn't try to be sneaky at all. They can argue that we shouldn't have done it but we did not in any way try to deceive them. We created the records of it having been done and we did not make any attempt to use it for strategic purposes."

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.13  JohnRussell  replied to  gooseisgone @2.1.11    one week ago

Everything Trump says needs to be fact checked. He is on the brink of a lie every time he opens his mouth. 

 
 
 
Krishna
2.1.14  Krishna  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    one week ago

He never asked for his opponent to be hacked!

Where did you find a copy of the Mueller report? (Please let us know-- I'd like to see it myself).

 
 
 
Krishna
2.1.15  Krishna  replied to  WallyW @2.1.9    one week ago

All Barr is going to do is investigate the investigation...leaving no stone or breadcrumb unturned.

So Barr is going to spy on the spies-- I love it!

320

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.1.16  Texan1211  replied to  Krishna @2.1.14    one week ago
He never asked for his opponent to be hacked!

That part is exactly right.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.1.17  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Krishna @2.1.14    one week ago
Where did you find a copy of the Mueller report?

Haha! John is referring to (and misquoting) public statements the President has made, but any time you want to bet that there is evidence that Trump had Wikileaks hack anything, I'll bet whatever you want.

 
 
 
It Is ME
2.2  It Is ME  replied to  JohnRussell @2    one week ago
The intelligence agencies and the FBI investigated Trump and his campaign, as well they should have.

How far did the investigation go on "Barrack Hussein Obama", or any other President for that matter ?

I hear that "ALL" talk with Russians ... ALL THE FRIGGIN TIME !

Again… deservedly.....this is ALWAYS my FAV. !

HOW FLEXIBLE WAS OBAMA WITH RUSSIA anyway ! jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
mocowgirl
2.3  mocowgirl  replied to  JohnRussell @2    one week ago
As soon as Trump asked Russia to hack his opponent ,

John, do you know the timeline of Russia's hacking attempts?  These began in 2015 as reported by the FBI to the DNC.  Trump was NOT even in the running to be the GOP nominee - nor was Clinton the Democratic nominee in 2015.  

The DNC ignored FBI warnings and/or did not take the FBI warnings seriously enough to educated their staffers about  computer safety protocols and also upgrade their  system's cyber security.  

https://www.cnn.com/2016/12/26/us/2016-presidential-campaign-hacking-fast-facts/index.html
November 2015 - The FBI reaches out to the DNC again, warning them that one of their computers is transmitting information back to Russia. DNC management later says that IT technicians failed to pass along the message that the system had been breached.
March 19, 2016 - Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta receives a phishing email masked as an alert from Google that another user had tried to access his account. It contains a link to a page where Podesta can change his password. He shares the email with a staffer from the campaign's help desk. The staffer replies with a typo - instead of typing "This is an illegitimate email," the staffer types "This is a legitimate email." Podesta follows the instructions and types a new password, allowing hackers to access his emails.
June 12, 2016 - During an interview on British television, WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange says that the website has obtained and will publish a batch of Clinton emails.
June 14, 2016 - The Washington Post reports hackers working for the Russian government accessed the DNC's computer system, stealing oppositional research on Donald Trump and viewing staffers' emails and chat exchanges. The Kremlin, however, denies that the government was linked to the hack, and a US official tells CNN that investigators have not yet concluded that the cyberattack was directed by the Russian government.
June 15, 2016 - A cybersecurity firm hired by the DNC posts a public notice on its website describing an attack on the political committee's computer network by two groups associated with Russian intelligence. According to the post, two Russian-backed groups called "Cozy Bear" and "Fancy Bear" tunneled into the committee's computer system. In response, a blogger called Guccifer 2.0 claims that he alone conducted the hack, not the Russians. As proof, he posts internal DNC memos and opposition research on Trump. Furthermore, Guccifer 2.0 claims to have passed along thousands of files to WikiLeaks. Trump offers his own theory on the origins of the attack: suggesting in a statement that the DNC hacked itself to distract from Clinton's email scandal.
July 22, 2016 - Days before the Democratic National Convention, WikiLeaks publishes nearly 20,000 emails hacked from the DNC server. The documents include notes in which DNC chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz insults staffers from the Bernie Sanders campaign and messages that suggest the organization was favoring Clinton rather than remaining neutral. Wasserman Schultz resigns in the aftermath of the leak.
July 25, 2016 - The FBI announces it has launched an investigation into the DNC hack. Although the statement doesn't indicate that the agency has a particular suspect or suspects in mind, US officials tell CNN they think the cyberattack is linked to Russia.
 
 
 
WallyW
2.3.1  WallyW  replied to  mocowgirl @2.3    one week ago
November 2015 - The FBI reaches out to the DNC again, warning them that one of their computers is transmitting information back to Russia. DNC management later says that IT technicians failed to pass along the message that the system had been breached.
March 19, 2016 - Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta receives a phishing email masked as an alert from Google that another user had tried to access his account. It contains a link to a page where Podesta can change his password. He shares the email with a staffer from the campaign's help desk. The staffer replies with a typo - instead of typing "This is an illegitimate email," the staffer types "This is a legitimate email." Podesta follows the instructions and types a new password, allowing hackers to access his emails.

To sum it up....Podesta hacked himself and allowed the phishing attack to succeed.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3  JohnRussell    one week ago

Nothing will come of this, and I doubt Barr will even conduct any "investigation". He is simply making Trump feel good. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
3.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3    one week ago

That's what many were hoping. Traditionally, one administration dosen't investigate the misdeeds of it's predecessor. Barr, however pointed out that spying on American citizens and an opposition campaign ARE a big deal!  People will be held accountable!

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JohnRussell
3.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1    one week ago

Vic, you pay to much attention to right wing media, which is extremely unreliable. Nothing will come of this because the FBI did nothing wrong. The Republicans held all the power for two years and came up with nothing. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
3.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.1    one week ago
Nothing will come of this because the FBI did nothing wrong

Oh, I beg to differ

 The Republicans held all the power for two years and came up with nothing. 

They couldn't even get Rosenstein to turn over documents.  As I say John, your'e in for some surprises.

 
 
 
WallyW
3.1.3  WallyW  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.2    one week ago

I think JR is standing  in "da Nile" up to his elbows without a wet suit. All the pieces are falling into place to get to the bottom of this attempted coup. It appears a lot of 44's collaborators are getting really nervous.

 
 
 
Krishna
3.1.4  Krishna  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.1    one week ago
Nothing will come of this because the FBI did nothing wrong.

Exactly!

And in terms of the so-called "spying"-- WTF?

Everyone is doing it now-a-days!

How Google and Amazon are ‘spying’ on you

Its now considered acceptable by millions of Americans!

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.2  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @3    one week ago

'Nothing will come of this, and I doubt Barr will even conduct any "investigation". He is simply making Trump feel good.' 

Just stroking that enormous bloated gargantuan turd ego, like he was paid to do, like his resume being the 4 page summary of the Mueller report, and feeding his rabid base their talking points.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
3.2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @3.2    one week ago
like his resume being the 4 page summary o

It wasn't a summary. It was a bottom line binary report.

 
 
 
WallyW
3.3  WallyW  replied to  JohnRussell @3    one week ago
Nothing will come of this, and I doubt Barr will even conduct any "investigation".

Whistling loudly whilst scurrying past the graveyard.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
4  Colour Me Free    one week ago

Interesting turn of events .. why shouldn't the origins of the 'supposed smoke' that Comey saw, and felt needed investigated not be questioned?   .. a counterintelligence investigation was launched against a seated president with NO evidence, just speculation that the presidents campaign was colluding with Russia.....  For Pete's sake, Manafort was in bed with Russia and not even he was charged with collusion/conspiring with Russia... I think it is naïve to think that conversations were not being listened to … Papadopoulos was set up immediately following his joining of the campaign … Carter Page by October, after having left the campaign was the subject of FISA warrants conducting a fishing expedition... there is so much information available that so many refuse to research and read.

The media went as far as to call the president an agent / asset of Putin - and now the left thinks Barr is a puppet of Trump ….. ?  A disservice has taken place, accusations/speculations became 'fact' to many among us, chanting a mantra of collusion/conspiracy with Russia - none was found …. I have to laugh a wee bit, Trump is to the left .. what H. is to the right … hard to say how many times this dead horse will be beaten …… there may as well be questions of those that 'saw the smoke' that started the counterintelligence investigation to begin with .. why would anyone have a problem with finding out whether the Trump campaign was spied on?

 
 
 
WallyW
4.1  WallyW  replied to  Colour Me Free @4    one week ago
why would anyone have a problem with finding out whether the Trump campaign was spied on?

Any patriotic American would want all the truth to come out. We know that the spying actually occurred. That's why the FISA warrants were applied for, and even renewed!

What the people have right to know is on who's authority was this idiotic snooping started, who kept it going, and what were the facts or lack of them that were used to fool the FISA judges.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
4.1.1  Colour Me Free  replied to  WallyW @4.1    one week ago

The FISA warrants are in regard to abuse of power, targeting a 'former' Trump campaign volunteer Carter Page - Page was gone from the campaign before said warrants were issued 'using' the Steele Dossier as evidence for applying and renewing said warrants .. I do not think that has anything to do with whether Trump Tower conversations may have been / were being listened to by federal alaphabet agencies....

I could be wrong   -James Comey

 
 
 
Krishna
4.1.2  Krishna  replied to  WallyW @4.1    one week ago
Any patriotic American would want all the truth to come out

Correct!

And that's why Barr (a true patriot if there ever was one) insists on making the entire Mueller report available to the public (in its entirety!)

ASAP (if not before!)

 
 
 
Texan1211
4.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  Krishna @4.1.2    one week ago

Surely you are smart enough to realize that there is grand jury information in the report, and probably some national security stuff in it too.

Do you honestly think the whole world needs to know all of that stuff?

Why are you willing to break the law regarding grand jury testimony?

 
 
 
Ender
5  Ender    one week ago

The sad thing is, we can all be 'spied' upon at their wishes, at any time.

What gets me the most is if us regular Joe's, me and you had any of these contacts or were taking any of these actions, we would most definitely be looked into.

Why do we hold different standards for people that are higher up the food chain?

I don't get why people cheer on people getting cleared of wrong doing, or at least having it brushed aside, when we ourselves would never have the same courtesy.

Don't think for one second that if we were to meet with Russian officials thinking to get dirt on someone, that we would have it brushed aside.

It sounds like some people are cheering for special rights for our higher ups, that we could never have ourselves.

 
 
 
Krishna
6  Krishna    one week ago

The government has been spying on the Clintons for even longer than that!

Spying on Bill re: his relationship with Monica. Spying on Hillary re: the entire Benghazi Brouhaha. Then there is the ongoing spying on Hillary re: her emails...yet another "Spying Kerfuffle"... the spying by our government never ends!

 
 
 
Dulay
7  Dulay    one week ago

512

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
7.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @7    one week ago

You forgot this one:


“I believe there is a basis for my concern, but I’m not going to discuss the basis,” Barr said.


 
 
 
Vic Eldred
7.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.1    one week ago

democratic underground.com no less!   Notice I left that trash up there. 

We managed to get through this without any deletions.

Thank you to all that engaged in civil discourse

 
 
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