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The Impeachment, Acquittal and Reelection of the President

  
By:  Vic Eldred  •  5 years ago  •  20 comments


The Impeachment, Acquittal and Reelection of the President
“The radical Democrats are trying to overturn the last election because they know that they cannot win the next election,” Trump added. “It’s very simple.”

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This past Tuesday, the President attended a campaign rally in Florida - his 7th in the "Sunshine State" as President. He has made more campaign stops in Florida than any other state. It was his 18th rally this year and 72nd since taking office. After labeling the impeachment proceedings “bullshit" the President went on to do the very thing his opponents hate most - he spoke a truth  that resonated with his supporters. He said “The radical Democrats are trying to overturn the last election because they know that they cannot win the next election. "  When I heard it, I wondered if that had been written for him. It should be his campaign slogan going forward.


House democrats are moving inextricably forward with impeachment despite the lack of a consensus. The carefully orchestrated impeachment hearings under Adam Schiff have failed to move the needle in gaining public support for impeachment, but the democrats are locked into this self destructive crusade to defame and delegitimize this President. The US Senate will ultimately acquit the President and may do it in a way that scores some political points for the party as well.


In addition to the spectacle in Washington DC, we now have former president Obama trying to advise the large group of democratic candidates who are supposedly vying for the DNC nomination. On Nov 15th the former president spoke to a group of democratic donors at a DC fundraiser. The man who ran in 2008 primarily as a moderate (though he governed from the hard left) had a stern warning for the current candidates: the Democratic candidates are playing too much to the "activist wing" of the party, warning that average Americans "just don't want to see crazy stuff."

The New York Times put it this way:

"While Mr. Obama did not single out any specific primary candidate or policy proposal, he cautioned that the universe of voters that could support a Democratic candidate — Democrats, independents and moderate Republicans — are not driven by the same views reflected on “certain left-leaning Twitter feeds” or “the activist wing of our party.”

“Even as we push the envelope and we are bold in our vision we also have to be rooted in reality,” Mr. Obama said. “The average American doesn’t think we have to completely tear down the system and remake it.”

The comments marked an extraordinary entrance into the primary contest by the former president, who has been careful to avoid even the appearance of influencing the direction of the race."


It may be too late. In the big field it appears that only the stumbling Biden and/or the unpopular Gabbard look anything like a moderate. Most of the others have exposed themselves as radical left candidates and it is impossible to walk that back. Beyond that the current democratic field lacks the charisma or political skills required to defeat Donald Trump. As for the President, he was wise enough to end his Florida rally by listing his accomplishments. Something he needs to do more of. Leave the bashing of democrats to others and the race will remain his to win or lose.


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Vic Eldred
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1  author  Vic Eldred    5 years ago

"We're protecting American workers, taking care of our amazing veterans, by the way, you know, the veterans for years and years and years, I was like you, I was a civilian. I love my life, my life was so much simpler. It was so nice and soft and easy. You build a building and you have fun, but I always see, you turn on the news, you read in the paper about our veterans being mistreated.".....President Trump


Rules of civility apply

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2  XXJefferson51    5 years ago

Great article you wrote.  Trump will win re election and the actions of the congressional and media democrats will only increase the margin of Victory for Trump.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2    5 years ago

No contest - they all know it's true. We put it to bed in the morning.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.1  XXJefferson51  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    5 years ago

And yet next week they are going to inflict more ridiculous hearings upon the country as we prepare for Christmas.  The unrepentant grinches that they are. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.1    5 years ago

It's going to be counterproductive or as a very tough young woman once said "go right ahead, it will hurt your hand a lot more than my ass!"

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.3  XXJefferson51  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.2    5 years ago

😂 lol!  👏👌👍

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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3  Buzz of the Orient    5 years ago

The article doesn't mention Bloomberg.  I wonder if his throwing his hat in the ring will create a need to add something else to the article.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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4  Jasper2529    5 years ago
... we now have former president Obama trying to advise the large group of democratic candidates who are supposedly vying for the DNC nomination. On Nov 15th the former president spoke to a group of democratic donors at a DC fundraiser. The man who ran in 2008 primarily as a moderate (though he governed from the hard left) had a stern warning for the current candidates: the Democratic candidates are playing too much to the "activist wing" of the party, warning that average Americans "just don't want to see crazy stuff."

I wonder if the "moderate" Obama of 2008 thought his words were "crazy stuff" when he said, "We are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America". Earlier in 2008 he said, "Words matter". 

In 2019, he cautions candidates to not say "crazy stuff". Even in 2008, millions of Americans felt that Obama's "fundamentally transforming the United States of America" was "crazy stuff". 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jasper2529 @4    5 years ago
I wonder if the "moderate" Obama of 2008 thought his words were "crazy stuff" when he said, "We are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America".

He was a great speaker, wasn't he? That was a line that was well delivered - right over the heads of most of us and into the hearts & minds of those it was intended for. They were the ones who really came through in 2012 and gave him a second term.


In 2019, he cautions candidates to not say "crazy stuff". Even in 2008, millions of Americans felt that Obama's "fundamentally transforming the United States of America" was "crazy stuff". 

He is right. They are way too open about what they believe. As Obama knew, one has to get elected first. Then comes the transformation.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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4.1.1  Jasper2529  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1    5 years ago
He was a great speaker, wasn't he?

Yes, he was very slick.

As Obama knew, one has to get elected first. Then comes the transformation.

He was able to convince millions of people that he would defend the US Constitution. After he was elected, he spat on our treasured document and did his best to destroy our nation in the limited time he knew he had to accomplish his goals.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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4.1.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Jasper2529 @4.1.1    5 years ago

I was fooled as well.  When I watched the Democrats Convention where he spoke, I was so impressed I thought he should run for POTUS, and when Bush at Obama's inauguration said he was there to watch history being made I agreed with that, and when on the TV I saw Oprah crying with joy, tears fell from my eyes as well. 

I didn't know at the time that he had written in a book that in the event of a conflict he stood with the Muslims.  Then I put that together with the fact  that Israel was in conflict with the Palestinians, and noted his animosity for Netanyahu, and the final straw was when at the end of his tenure, when he no longer needed Jewish money and votes, he stabbed Israel in the back at the UN. 

And if that wasn't enough, he publicly endorsed Trudeau at the recent Canadian election, and Trudeau recently emulated Obama by voting AGAINST Israel at the UN.

It made me realize that I'm as capable of being fooled as anyone.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.1.3  XXJefferson51  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4.1.2    5 years ago

I remember watching his speeches in 2007 and 2008 during the primaries and his soaring rhetoric was most impressive.  I just wish that when he was elected President he had acted on most of those words.  Of course the whole Rev. Wright thing quickly soured me on him.  He ended up acting on grievances and settling old scores rather than being a uniter.  

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.2  Dulay  replied to  Jasper2529 @4    5 years ago
Earlier in 2008 he said, "Words matter". 

October 2008, Columbia, Mo: 

"Now, Mizzou, I just have two words for you tonight: five days. Five days. After decades of broken politics in Washington, and eight years of failed policies from George W. Bush, and 21 months of a campaign that's taken us from the rocky coast of Maine to the sunshine of California, we are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America.
"In five days, you can turn the page on policies that put greed and irresponsibility on Wall Street before the hard work and sacrifice of folks on Main Street. In five days, you can choose policies that invest in our middle class, and create new jobs, and grow this economy, so that everyone has a chance to succeed, not just the CEO, but the secretary and janitor, not just the factory owner, but the men and women on the factory floor."

Context matters too.

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
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4.2.1  The Magic 8 Ball  replied to  Dulay @4.2    5 years ago
not just the factory owner, but the men and women on the factory floor."

and then he said...

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yes context of a speech matters, and real actions matter more

384

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
4.2.2  Jasper2529  replied to  Dulay @4.2    5 years ago

My reference to earlier in 2008/"Words matter" (which is what you block quoted) was his speech in Milwaukee on February 19, 2008 not what he said at Mizzou in October 2008. 

Context matters too.

Facts and proper block quoting are more important. Have a good day.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Expert
4.2.4  Dulay  replied to  Jasper2529 @4.2.2    5 years ago
My reference to earlier in 2008/"Words matter" (which is what you block quoted) was his speech in Milwaukee on February 19, 2008 not what he said at Mizzou in October 2008. 

Didn't say they were. 

Facts and proper block quoting are more important.

I posted facts. I'm unclear what your issue is with what I block quoted other that perhaps it an avenue to whine. 

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Expert
4.2.5  Dulay  replied to  dennis smith @4.2.3    5 years ago
Per 4.2 comment, Seems like some are rooted in not being factual doesn't it?

What part of my comment wasn't factual? It least I quoted Obama accurately. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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5  Nerm_L    5 years ago

To capture the essence (according to Adam Schiff's criteria) Democrats are threatening to impeach the President for not conforming to the status quo.  Yet the election of Trump was due to a loss of faith in that status quo.  

Declaring that Trump's actions have been unprecedented really does say that Trump is setting new precedents.  Trump is creating a new paradigm that is not rooted in the status quo.  And the host of Democratic candidates making unprecedented proposals and promises suggests that a new paradigm is needed; Democrats are admitting, in a back handed way, that they have lost faith in the status quo, too.  

What we are witnessing is a competition to create a new paradigm.  The impeachment proceedings won't move the needle because impeachment is an all too obvious effort to protect the status quo.  

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Expert
6  Dulay    5 years ago
To capture the essence (according to Adam Schiff's criteria) Democrats are threatening to impeach the President for not conforming to the status quo.

False. 

Declaring that Trump's actions have been unprecedented really does say that Trump is setting new precedents. 

Declaring that merely because something is unprecedented, it creates a precedent is pure arble-garble. 

What we are witnessing is a competition to create a new paradigm.  

What we are witnessing is gaslighting and many of your comments are illustrations of how well it's working. 

The impeachment proceedings won't move the needle because impeachment is an all too obvious effort to protect the status quo. 

Blah, blah, blah, status quo. 

 
 

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