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The Schiff Treatment

  
By:  Vic Eldred  •  5 years ago  •  82 comments


The Schiff Treatment
The most stunning aspect of the report, to me anyway, was the inclusion of telephone records of House Intelligence Committee ranking member Devin Nunes, Nunes’ aide David Harvey, President Trump’s personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani, and investigative reporter John Solomon. Schiff refused to say how he was able to obtain these records.

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We recently learned that Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff apparently subpoenaed phone data from Rudy Giuliani and Ukrainian Lev Parnas. Schiff revealed that the subpoenaed data included calls which were exchanged with columnist John Solomon, ranking Intelligence Republican Devin Nunes, and attorney Jay Sekulow. Believe it or not, Schiff actually has such right IF such info involves national security. Can that explanation be seriously defended? 

Ah, what Adam Schiff could teach Sen Joe McCarthy!  

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pg. 157 of Democratic impeachment report.



Let us not forget that a Journalist was caught up in this. A Journalist whom the left absolutely despises - Mr John Solomon!
Exactly why was Solomon's name disclosed?  Intimidation? Retribution?

Are there any concerns from those old fashioned Liberals who once defended the "freedom of the press."?


What about Civil Liberties?

None of those caught up in Schiff's net were the target of the impeachment inquiry and as far as we know, none of their conversations were unlawful. So to what ends did Schiff use/abuse his power as Intelligence Committee Chairman?
Again - How would it involve national security?

It is interesting to see the abuse of power that has thus far been unleashed against all things Trump. Shortly before this latest abuse, was an effort to smear Ranking Member Devin Nunes. Nunes currently has a lawsuit against CNN (Vicky Ward). CNN made the questionable allegation that Nunes arranged a secret trip to Vienna and met there with Victor Shokin, the Ukrainian prosecutor that former Vice President Joe Biden pushed to have fired when Shokin was investigating Burisma Holdings. 

How many would like to guess how that will turn out?



A better question may be who will be next on the Schiff list?


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Vic Eldred
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1  author  Vic Eldred    5 years ago

"Schiff subpoenaed AT&T and Verizon for the information. Sources involved in the matter have only minimal information of exactly what Schiff did, but they believe the chairman subpoenaed a total of five phone numbers — it is not clear who each number was associated with — from which the published information was taken."





Rules of civility apply

 
 
 
Dulay
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1.1  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    5 years ago
We recently learned that Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff apparently subpoenaed phone data from Rudy Giuliani and Ukrainian Lev Parnas. 

The fact that there are Bates #s on the evidence indicates that they were processed as legal documents from AT&T by the HPSCI. So you can remove the 'apparently' from your comment. 

Secondly Lev Parnas is Belarus born American citizen, not a Ukrainian. 

Let us not forget that a Journalist was caught up in this.

Solomon hasn't been a journalist for a long time. His Hill articles were published in the OPINION section for a reason. 

Are there any concerns from those old fashioned Liberals who once defended the "freedom of the press."? 

What aspect of the 'freedom of the press' or 'civil liberties' is being attacked by naming Solomon? Please be specific? 

None of those caught up in Schiff's net were the target of the impeachment inquiry and as far as we know, none of their conversations were unlawful.

False.

Both Giuliani and Parnas were subpoenaed by the House Intel Committee in OCTOBER. Parnas has been indicted and Giuliani is under Federal investigation. 

Trump cited Giuliani in his call and Giuliani was cited by multiple witnesses under oath. 

So you should retract your false claim the they aren't 'targets' of the impeachment inquiry. 

It is interesting to see the abuse of power that has thus far been unleashed against all things Trump.

What 'abuse of power' would that be Vic? Again, specifics please. 

Shortly before this latest abuse, was an effort to smear Ranking Member Devin Nunes.

How is Nunes being smeared? 

Nunes currently has a lawsuit against CNN (Vicky Ward). CNN made the questionable allegation that Nunes arranged a secret trip to Vienna and met there with Victor Shokin,

WTF does that have to do with Schiff? Hint: Not a fucking thing. 

Oh and I can't wait the see the discovery on that lawsuit. 

BTW, how is Nunes' lawsuit against the cow coming along? 

the Ukrainian prosecutor that former Vice President Joe Biden pushed to have fired when Shokin was investigating Burisma Holdings.  

False. Shokin was NOT investigating Burisma Holdings when he was fired. Repeating that falsehood is just a sad attempt at gaslighting. 

How many would like to guess how that will turn out? 

A Federal Judge just cleared Parnas so he can cooperate with the Impeachment Inquiry so my guess would be that he will be deposed. 

Giuliani will be indicted. Trump will kick him under the bus. We may see what Giuliani's 'insurance policy' looks like. 

A better question may be who will be next on the Schiff list?

VP Pence. I'll be interested to see what Pence's reply to the letter demanding that he declassify Williams' written testimony will be. 

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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2  1stwarrior    5 years ago

I wonder if impeachment is going to be directed at Schiff for his abuse of power?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  1stwarrior @2    5 years ago

Let me add - trying to interfere with the 2020 election

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
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2.2  The Magic 8 Ball  replied to  1stwarrior @2    5 years ago
I wonder if impeachment is going to be directed at Schiff for his abuse of power?

things are going to get very interesting next week.

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 lets see how shifty schiff deals with that :)

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  The Magic 8 Ball @2.2    5 years ago
maybe.. if he is stupid enough to follow the rules.

If he is following his own rules - Joe Biden is guilty of bribery!

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
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2.2.2  The Magic 8 Ball  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2.1    5 years ago

they did not think it thru... trying to impeach trump has put the bidens in very hot water.

something tells me schiff, nadler and pelosi are having a bad weekend.

we already know the schiff show is bs but if they ignore the minority demand for hearings?  that will be the icing on the cake

cheers :)

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.2.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  The Magic 8 Ball @2.2.2    5 years ago

I agree. It has such a bad look to it. No due process for the President, the heavy handed treatment of the minority and the biased witnesses. This whole event was carefully orchestrated long ago. The American people see right through it. The dems are going to strike out in 2020. There won't be any joy in Mudville!

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
Masters Quiet
2.2.4  The Magic 8 Ball  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2.3    5 years ago

they thought they were going to have a merry christmas at our expense... LOL

I honestly do not see how schiff can ignore the demand for a hearing but I always underestimate the self-destructive tendencies of the left.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.2.5  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  The Magic 8 Ball @2.2.4    5 years ago
they thought they were going to have a merry chritmas at our expense...

They are such vicious people. In my mind I keep remembering back to that stormy last meeting between the President and democratic congressional leaders. It ended with Pelosi walking out after she told the President "wait until you see what we are going to do to you."

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
Masters Quiet
2.2.6  The Magic 8 Ball  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2.5    5 years ago
"wait until you see what we are going to do to you."

they are in too deep, the only option left is to keep digging their own political graves.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.2.7  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  The Magic 8 Ball @2.2.6    5 years ago

Pelosi had to do it. There was way too much pressure from the hate-filled wing of that unprincipled political party of hers. When people are thus driven by hate, that their lives are organized around getting Trump, everything else becomes secondary. How do the 31 moderate democrats handle this vote on the Articles of Impeachment?

What about that ridiculous field of candidates that are supposed to share a stage with Donald Trump?

Turn em over - they are done!

 
 
 
Dulay
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2.4  Dulay  replied to  1stwarrior @2    5 years ago

Since impeachment doesn't cover members of Congress, that's a no. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.5  Texan1211  replied to  1stwarrior @2    5 years ago

Can't be impeached, but should be removed.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3  JohnRussell    5 years ago

It is notable that all the right can do is complain about those seeking to uncover the trump administrations bad behavior. When your defense is "the prosecutor is out to get me" you're virtually announcing your guilt. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3    5 years ago

If it was that simple, John, Bill Ayers and Daniel Ellsberg would have done jail time!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to    5 years ago

Group think?  That would be why they use the same words all the time. They are "woke"!  They have more "Newspeak" than Orwell ever dreamed of!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.1.4  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.2    5 years ago

The only people I have ever seen use the word 'woke' are conservative commentators and right wing comedians.  Same for pussy hats, snowflakes and virtue signaling. When you dont have facts you use insults. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.5  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.4    5 years ago

Let me enlighten you, John.

From Merriam-Webster:

"Stay woke   became a watch word in parts of the black community for those who were self-aware, questioning the dominant paradigm and striving for something better. But   stay woke   and   woke   became part of a wider discussion in 2014, immediately following the shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri. The word   woke   became entwined with the Black Lives Matter movement; instead of just being a word that signaled awareness of injustice or racial tension, it became a word of action. Activists were   woke   and called on others to   stay woke .

Like many other terms from black culture that have been taken into the mainstream,   woke   is gaining broader uses. It’s now seeing use as an adjective to refer to places where woke people commune:   woke Twitter   has very recently taken off as the shorthand for describing social-media activists."

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.8  author  Vic Eldred  replied to    5 years ago
they create it and then blame the other side for it.

That is projection.  Adam Schiff is clearly guilty of that and we are talking about him. I don't want anyone to take it personally.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.1.10  JohnRussell  replied to    5 years ago

The vast majority of Democrats , liberals and progressives are not activists, black or white. 

None of those terms are in wide use except among the right wing chattering class. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.1.12  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.10    5 years ago

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JohnRussell
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3.1.13  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.12    5 years ago

I dont think about things like that, Fox News viewers do. 

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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3.1.14  Jasper2529  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.4    5 years ago
The only people I have ever seen use the word 'woke' are conservative commentators and right wing comedians

Maybe it's time to get woke!

I'm talking about the word "woke." Now several years into its 2010s revival, the word is done. It is dead. It is over.

Don't just take my word for it. MTV told people to stop using it as far back as 2016. SNL gave it a  parody of death  in 2017.

Its resurgence in this decade can be most closely linked to the rise of the Black Lives Matter movement. BLM activists have been striving, for years now, to convince people of all races to value and respect blackness, to take issues like the deaths of black people at the hands of police seriously. Woke became shorthand for a mindset and a worldview that values black lives.

But the word goes further back than that. It's most famously traced to an essay published in the  New York Times  in 1962 called  "If You're Woke You Dig It,"  by William Melvin Kelley, though some have traced its use as far back as the 1940s.

His words ring true in 2018 as well. No matter how well-intentioned, when  Jill Stein  and  the cast of Will & Grace  are name-checking the term, ironically or not, it's no longer anything new.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.1.15  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.13    5 years ago
I dont think about things like that, Fox News viewers do. 

Probably because you are singularly focusing all of your hatred on Trump and anyone and everyone who voted for him.

I suppose hating 63 million people must be taxing.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.1.16  JohnRussell  replied to    5 years ago

Yeah, you got me there, I'm not nice to some of the people who support the most unfit president in U.S. history. Particularly when they say they will vote for him again. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.1.17  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.15    5 years ago
I suppose hating 63 million people must be taxing.

You are unendingly silly about this. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.1.18  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.16    5 years ago
Yeah, you got me there, I'm not nice to some of the people who support the most unfit president in U.S. history. Particularly when they say they will vote for him again. 

Tell the truth. You aren't nice to anyone you even suspected voted for Trump. You lump anyone who did all together--as evidenced by your very own posts time and time again.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
3.1.19  Jasper2529  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.16    5 years ago
I'm not nice to some of the people who support the most unfit president in U.S. history. Particularly when they say they will vote for him again. 

Your comment indicates that you'll only be nice to people who support and vote for your chosen candidate. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.1.20  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.17    5 years ago
You are unendingly silly about this. 

Calling the truth silly seems like a wonderful coping mechanism.

Does it always work for you?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.1.21  JohnRussell  replied to  Jasper2529 @3.1.19    5 years ago

I take it on a case by case basis. 

If you voted for Donald Trump you voted for a television game show host who was a known liar, crook, bigot and moron at the time of the election.  Pretty hard to actually justify that. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.1.22  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.21    5 years ago
Pretty hard to actually justify that. 

Ah! There's a problem--you seem to think that others must justify their votes. They don't to satisfy some whim of yours.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
3.1.23  Jasper2529  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.21    5 years ago
I take it on a case by case basis.  If you voted for Donald Trump you voted for a television game show host who was a known liar, crook, bigot and moron at the time of the election.  Pretty hard to actually justify that.

I see. Here's  the difference between you and me: Unlike you, I have never expected other Americans to "justify" their choices as they exercise their constitutional right to vote. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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3.1.24  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1    5 years ago

When the hell did Bill Ayers or Daniel Ellsberg act as prosecutors Vic? As far as I know, neither even worked for any government agency. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.1.25  Texan1211  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1    5 years ago

You better stop NOT saying that Ayers and Ellsberg worked for a government agency!

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
3.1.26  Jasper2529  replied to  Dulay @3.1.24    5 years ago
When the hell did Bill Ayers or Daniel Ellsberg act as prosecutors Vic? As far as I know, neither even worked for any government agency.  

Ayers: Retired professor, (public) University of Illinois. See, also, his documented work with mayor Richard M. Daley for the city of Chicago.

Ellsberg: worked at the Pentagon

You're welcome!

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
3.1.29  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.21    5 years ago
I take it on a case by case basis. 

Then proceeds to judge everyone who voted for Trump without qualification. jrSmiley_86_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
3.1.31  XXJefferson51  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.12    5 years ago

Mega dittos!  Well said.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
3.1.32  XXJefferson51  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.16    5 years ago

I’m proud to say I’m voting for Trump and am listing you as at least a contributing factor in that decision.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.33  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @3.1.24    5 years ago

Act as prosecutors?  You wouldn't be trying to muddy a clear point, would you?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.34  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.25    5 years ago
You better stop NOT saying that Ayers and Ellsberg worked for a government agency!

The point was that prosecutors (including the FBI) have to follow the rules too or the guilty like Ayers & Ellsberg go free. I thing everyone got the point.
Everyone has rights and that includes Donald Trump.

I will add to that that if these two votes (impeachment and later to convict) are along party lines - The President will get to claim total exoneration after the Senate vote. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
3.2  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @3    5 years ago

I think you could say the same things about the Left’s reaction to those seeking to uncover bad behavior in the Obama administration. When do any of these people ever say “go ahead and investigate me!”

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4  author  Vic Eldred    5 years ago

There is an early Post today. Be back later,

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
5  Dismayed Patriot    5 years ago
"Can that explanation be seriously defended?"

Yes. It was definitely a national security matter when you have a bunch of fuck nuggets calling Ukrainian criminals in an attempt to build a fake case against one of Trumps political opponents while at the same time Trump is withholding hundreds of millions and a white house meeting out as the leverage to get the Ukrainian President to engage in investigating Trumps political rival.

Ah, what Adam Schiff could teach Sen Joe McCarthy! 

Nonsense. Schiff has been working carefully and methodically which is no doubt why so many Trump supporters want to attack and vilify him and lie about him. They are the pieces of useless shit, not Schiff. He is doing his job and doing it well for the benefit of all American people, even the ones who have it in their warped tiny minds that Putin is a friend and ally and that Trump can do no wrong.

"Let us not forget that a Journalist was caught up in this. A Journalist whom the left absolutely despises - Mr John Solomon!"

Calling Solomon a "journalist" is a stretch. He's nothing but a propaganda dispenser for right wing talking points and cobbling together a bogus narrative about Ukraine being behind the election meddling in 2016 when EVERYONE on the planet knows that's a demonstrable lie. Those who continue to push such nonsense should be ashamed of themselves and ask themselves why they feel it necessary to defend Russia and the worthless shit stain Putin.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @5    5 years ago

It's a shame and a national disgrace that posts such as yours are so necessary to debunk the right wing bamboozling that is 24/7 today. 

 
 
 
lib50
Professor Silent
5.1.1  lib50  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1    5 years ago

Its really important to call out those Russian lies every time.  They like to lol about Russia to deflect from it, but they are magnifying that propaganda to help Russia and hurt the US and Ukraine every time.  Astounding the entire gop is on board to save their own asses, but that is where we are.

 
 
 
sixpick
Professor Quiet
7  sixpick    5 years ago

Impeachment poll: Trump's approval rating back up to 50%

November 15, 2019 10:47 AM

The Rasmussen Reports Daily Presidential Tracking Poll is showing an impeachment bump in approval ratings for President Trump.

The daily evaluation of the president found a four-point bounce for Trump following the first day of House impeachment hearings on Wednesday.

“The president’s overall approval has been tracking up since Wednesday, the first day of the House impeachment hearings. It was at 46% on Wednesday morning, then rose to 48% yesterday and is now at 50%. Two of the three nights in today’s survey follow the highly-publicized hearings,” according to the Rasmussen survey analysis.

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It appears, even with the Fake News, who are totally against Trump and beat him up every day of the week, he actually has a higher poll rating than Obama did at this time in his Presidential term.  If I'm not mistaken, since this article was dated November 15, 2019, Trump's approval rating has now reached 52% approval. 

I say keep that Impeachment going.  Every day the more American citizens are coming to realize how the Democrat Party has been hijacked by the Radical Left and they are showing it with there disgust for the Democrat Party by increasing their support for Trump and Americans who want to keep this country free from the Radical Left's ideology of a Totalitarian government.

There is no low the Democrats will not go to maintain continuous power in this country.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
7.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  sixpick @7    5 years ago

Thanks Six, I think I can end it with that!

 
 

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