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The Violent Streets of New York.

  
By:  Vic Eldred  •  4 years ago  •  131 comments


The Violent Streets of New York.
“Quite frankly, the mayor ran an anti-police campaign,” former police commissioner Ray Kelly told ABC on Sunday.

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For those who missed it, what is quickly becoming an all too common event happened in Brooklyn Friday. A group of teens savagely attacked a teenage girl Thursday, supposedly as retaliation for an earlier fight.

The film (Courtesy of CBS News/New York):



As you can see in the film those were teenage boys stomping on the girl. They might be described as teens or children  by a public defender. Decent human beings regard them as thugs. The question is how could such a thing happen?


Clearly, all those involved thought they could get away with it and most likely have been getting away with it. From the dysfunctional/single parent families they might have descended from, to the school's lax discipline guidelines issued by then president Obama in 2014, right up to the chaotic tenure of Mayor Bill de Blasio, these thugs obviously feel they can get away with it. Progressive policies have turned a once great city into a state of savagery.



School teachers warned us: 

" The growing number of classroom horror stories and backlash from teachers unions have left former Obama educrats scrambling to defend the lower discipline standards. “No one has ever advocated for policies that make students or teachers unsafe,” argued Catherine Lhamon, the Education Department civil-rights chief who rolled out Obama’s directive.

But a former St. Paul, Minn., science teacher, who was “beaten and choked out” by a 16-year-old black student, blames the discipline policies, which he says are “preferential towards African-American students.” The high school student allegedly came up behind the instructor, calling him a “f–king white cracker,” and put him in a stranglehold, before bashing his head into a concrete wall and pavement, causing him to suffer a concussion and brain damage."

https://nypost.com/2017/12/23/obamas-lax-discipline-policies-made-schools-dangerous/


The NYC Police Union tried to warn us:

“How are cops supposed to do our job in this environment? When will @NYPDNews or @NYCMayor @BilldeBlasio stand up & say enough is enough?” the Police Benevolent Association fumed on Twitter.

“Chaos is running the streets. This is outrageous — we’re lucky it wasn’t worse.”

(The NYPD’s largest union called out Mayor Bill de Blasio on Sunday  over a massive melee in Brooklyn  that left three officers with minor injuries — and involved gunfire that a law-enforcement source called a ” ‘F–k you’ to the cops.”)

https://nypost.com/2019/08/18/de-blasio-slammed-by-police-union-over-anti-cop-chaos-in-brooklyn/


Murder is on the rise in the big apple:

"Murder rates in  New York City  are up 55 percent in 2019 compared to the same time frame in 2018, according to NYPD statistics.

From the start of 2019 through Sunday, there have been 48 murders in New York City, compared to 31 in the same seven-week time frame in 2018, the  New York Daily News  reported.


The surge takes place as overall crime in New York City is down eight percent. The increase in murders is largely credited to a jump in violent crime in Northern Brooklyn. The ten precincts that comprise North Brooklyn have recorded 15 murders in the time frame this year, compared to just three last year -- a 400 percent increase.


The number of shootings that have not resulted in death are on the rise as well, with 22 people shot compared to 13 last year, a 69 percent jump."

https://www.foxnews.com/us/murder-rate-rises-55-in-new-york-city

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New York’s current mayor has never been on friendly terms with New York’s finest. The strained relationship dates back to de Blasio’s campaign, when he pledged to reform the city’s stop-and-frisk practices, which the police credited for a decrease in crime but detractors decry as institutionalized racial profiling. The promise, along with de Blasio’s own mixed-race family and his outreach to black communities, helped him win 42% of the African-American vote in a crowded Democratic primary that featured an experienced black candidate, former city comptroller Bill Thompson.
https://time.com/3644168/new-york-police-de-blasio-wenjian-liu-rafael-ramos/




As long as people like Bill de Blasio find "people" (who are they?) to vote for them, cities like NYC will continue to devolve into violence and chaos. I've been told that the 14th congressional district, which elected AOC has more voters who are immigrant than native citizens. If that is part of the problem, maybe we should hold back voting rights until new citizens become assimilated. A five year wait might be appropriate.

One thing is for sure we cannot tolerate the lawlessness we have seen in NYC over the past few years.



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Vic Eldred
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1  author  Vic Eldred    4 years ago

For your approval: NYC under progressive rule


Rules of civility apply

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
3  charger 383    4 years ago

overpopulation and crowding are a big part of the problem

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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4  Robert in Ohio    4 years ago

NYC is not even in the top ten cities for number of violent crimes -

Detroit, St. Louis, and Baltimore have the highest violent crime rates in the US, with several other cities following close behind.

Top 10 Cities
10. Indianapolis, Indiana - 1,334 
Indianapolis, the largest city in Indiana, is the 10th most violent city in the United States. Over recent years, the city has seen a leap in homicide rates. Between 2012 and 2014, it was reported that the murder rate in Indianapolis increased by nearly 50 percent.

9. Albuquerque, New Mexico - 1,369.1
The New Mexico city of Albuquerque has a violent crime rate more than four times the US average. Property crime is especially high in Albuquerque. Although only around a quarter of the state's population lives in the city, its crime rates represent nearly half of the state's total. 

8. Stockton, California - 1,414.6
Stockton, California ranks as the eighth most dangerous city in the United States, with 1,414.6 violent crimes committed for every 100,000 people. The aggravated assault rate in Stockton is particularly high, at 2,962 per every 100,000 people.

7. Cleveland, Ohio - 1,556.8
Cleveland ranks seventh on the list of the United States' most dangerous cities. Its violent crime rate is 1556.8 incidences for every 100,000 people. Like many other cities who battle violent crime, problems like high unemployment, rampant poverty, and urban decay have all influenced Cleveland's high crime rate.
6. Milwaukee, Wisconsin - 1,597.4 

6. Crime in Milwaukee is higher than the US average, giving it a ranking as number four on the list of the country's most dangerous cities. Although Milwaukee ranks lower than the national average for rates of aggravated assault, other crime rates such as homicide, rape, and robbery are all higher than average in the city.

5. Kansas City, Missouri - 1,654
Kansas City is the fifth most dangerous city in the United States, and the second entry on this list from Missouri. There are an average of 1,654 violent crimes per 100,000 people in Kansas City. The high rate of violent crime in Kansas City can be partially attributed to its homicide rate, which is higher than other cities of its size. The homicide rate of Kansas City sits at around 23.5 murders per 100,000 people - much higher than the country average of 5 per 100,000.

4. Memphis, Tennessee - 2,003 
Number four on the list is Memphis, Tennessee, with 2,003 violent crimes per 100,000 people. For the past ten years or so, Memphis has been ranked among the most dangerous cities in the country. It has been theorized that a major contributing factor to the rise of crimes in the city is a high poverty rate together with increasing unemployment.

3. Baltimore, Maryland - 2,027
Baltimore ranks third with a violent crime rate of 2,027 violent crimes for every 100,000 people. Both robbery and assault are problems in Baltimore. Unfortunately, much of the crime in Baltimore has been linked to illegal drug trafficking and a stubborn poverty rate. The homicide rate in Baltimore is also very high, standing at around 55.7 per every 100,000 people.
2. Detroit, Michigan - 2,056.7
Detroit, Michigan, has the second highest violent crime rate in the United States with 2,056.7 violent crimes per 100,000 people. Some of the most common crimes in the city are aggravated assault, assault with a deadly weapon, rape, armed robbery, murder and non-negligent manslaughter. It is important to note that crime in Detroit, in general, has been decreasing over recent years. The number of murders and homicides in the city, however, have been lower than average, with 267 homicides in 2018. 

1. St. Louis, Missouri - 2,082.3
With a violent crime rate of 2,082.3 per 100,000 people, St. Louis is the most dangerous city in the United States. Since the 1990s, crime in this Missouri city has been steadily increasing. However, in recent years, crime does seem to be decreasing slightly. St. Louis is notable for having the highest murder rate in the country at 66 homicides per 100,000. This rate is still far behind the most dangerous cities in the world, which can have a murder rate of over 100 per 100,000.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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4.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Robert in Ohio @4    4 years ago

Thank you Robert for the reality check!

We are a city of 8 million and while I don't like Mayor DeBlasio, 17 more murders for a total of 48, in a city of 8 million is hardly a surge. 

I look forward to the Mayor's departure but don't make it sound like my hometown has some major issues. It doesn't. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.1.1  XXJefferson51  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.1    4 years ago

NYC had the sanity to elect a couple of Republican moderate liberals to be mayor for 20 years and made great progress.  Now with the anti cop socialist it’s all going to hell in a big hurry.  

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
4.1.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.1.1    4 years ago
NYC had the sanity to elect a couple of Republican moderate liberals to be mayor for 20 years 

What are you talking about?

Mayor Koch: Dem

Mayor Dinkins: Dem

Mayor Gullani: Repub

Mayor Bloomberg: Repub/Dem/Indie

Mayor De Blasio/Dem

The people of NYC usually put in competent mayors because we remember the 70's and incompetence. 

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
4.1.3  CB  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.1.2    4 years ago

I wanted to ask Donald J.Trump Fan #1 what he's talking about too - but, it was too tiresome.  (Smile.)

 
 
 
Split Personality
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4.1.4  Split Personality  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.1.1    4 years ago
NYC had the sanity to elect a couple of Republican moderate liberals to be mayor for 20 years and made great progress.  Now with the anti cop socialist it’s all going to hell in a big hurry.

Please don't express a baseless opinion based on no real life experiences other than

the biased news sites you favor.

In all of it's glory and sadness NYC is a safer place to live in than Redding CA.

You are twice as likely to be victimized in Redding.

60% more likely to be raped in Redding

Less likely to be assaulted in NYC but more likely to be robbed.

Violent crime, theft, vehicle theft and property crime rates in Redding make

NYC look like a much, much safer place to visit.

It isn't Mayberry RFD, but then again Mayberry was fictional.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Robert in Ohio @4    4 years ago
And this may be anecdotal, but my youngest son lives in Brooklyn and has had opportunities to relocate, but loves everything about it, has never felt threatened, and envisions living there for some time. 

Bob don't be such a stranger. We can always use more logical analysis.

 
 
 
Ender
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5  Ender    4 years ago
This year, the number of crimes and violent crimes reported through December 1 is largely unchanged from the prior year, declining 1.4 percent and increasing 1.5 percent, respectively. While homicides are up around 8 percent, it’s important to remember how low New York City’s murder rate is to begin with — last year, it was 30 percent below the national murder rate — and avoid overreaction to relatively small year-to-year fluctuations. New York has seen single-year increases before — in 2015, for example — and continues to be an extraordinarily safe major city. Link
 
 
 
CB
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7  CB    4 years ago
As you can see in the film those were teenage boys stomping on the girl. They might be described as teens or children  by a public defender. Decent human beings regard them as thugs. The question is how could such a thing happen? Clearly, all those involved thought they could get away with it and most likely have been getting away with it. From the dysfunctional/single parent families they might have descended from, to the school's lax discipline guidelines issued by then president Obama in 2014, right up to the chaotic tenure of Mayor Bill de Blasio, these thugs obviously feel they can get away with it. Progressive policies have turned a once great city into a state of savagery.

This incident is bad enough and I feel sad over it. Not that it matters much due to proportionally (she was overran by boys), your taking the so-called interest to make some exploitative point casting around for a dehumanizing term like "thug" or a release of "battalions" of professional and adult police on to children not your own pisses me off! Segueing from this assault (not involving a weapon of any kind) to true crime and violence acts of murder statistics and labeling young black males as "thugs" is disturbing.

I almost want to ask that this article be taken down as an insult to well-meaning people. Instead, I will not ask that. I want people to see and read this example of childish stupidity bubbling up and where counseling can be helpful, can be manipulated and taken advantage of by some adults in our society to wish for real disproportionate overreactions which can have even worse or deadly outcomes.

This article magnifies a problem out of proportion. Pick the girl up, get her medical attention, give the guilty parties instruction, direction, and the worst offenders a day in court. No need to re-invent "college industry" demonization of young offenders.

Now from this one incident,  some conservatives have produced from their "back pockets" their pat statistics of crime (and punishment) data points; to unleash upon these youths as if these kids are par and parcel of some violent "syndicate" touring or having connective tissue, or membership!

These are teens and children. I want you to talk about them with compassion, humanity, and what the Lord loves. It is what you want for me to do about your own.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
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7.1  KDMichigan  replied to  CB @7    4 years ago
I almost want to ask that this article be taken down as an insult to well-meaning people.

Well meaning? The little 'THUGS' need a lesson, It's pretty sad that someone would make excuses for these entitled pieces of shit, and every time it happens you have some apologist making excuses for the little savages. 

These are teens and children. I want you to talk about them with compassion, humanity, and what the Lord loves.

I don't care what you believe the unicorn loves, The only compassion I have for these hoodlums would be a bullet to the head if they accosted my daughter. 20 thugs kicked the shit out of a little black girl, stole her shit and put her in the hospital and you want people to talk about them with compassion? What a fucking joke, the CoC keeps me from telling you how I really feel.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
7.1.2  CB  replied to  KDMichigan @7.1    4 years ago

Well if you haven't already done so-why let a little thing like CoC check your base instincts? Go on "perfume" your words. Step up on your pedestal and speak your truth. Delightfully scent your words.

I could call children names too, but I am better than that—way better. Incidentally, so that there is no miscommunication that goes viral in discussion, the "well-meaning" people I mentioned in my comment are not the kids acting poorly in the video. Why did, how could, you miss that? Maybe reading in haste to respond?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
7.1.3  CB  replied to    4 years ago

Your comment is beneath contempt. That's all.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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7.1.5  igknorantzrulz  replied to    4 years ago

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igknorantzrulz
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7.1.7  igknorantzrulz  replied to    4 years ago

removed for context

 
 
 
KDMichigan
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7.1.9  KDMichigan  replied to  CB @7.1.2    4 years ago
Why did, how could, you miss that? Maybe reading in haste to respond?

Maybe you should try reading your own words? 

These are teens and children. I want you to talk about them with compassion, humanity, 

Do I have to voice my opinion again for you apologist on how I feel about these little THUGS ?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
7.1.10  CB  replied to  KDMichigan @7.1.9    4 years ago
@7 These are teens and children. I want you to talk about them with compassion, humanity, and what the Lord loves. It is what you want for me to do about your own.

That is actually what I wrote before you butchered it for your purposes. It speaks for itself.

As for your opinion, . . . I want you to tell me how you really feel if you haven't already. And I quote:

"The only compassion I have for these hoodlums would be a bullet to the head if they accosted my daughter. "

May I suggest you inverse that statement and consider whether or not you would wish somebody to angrily do the same to your teen if s/he was the assaulter. Oh, I see now.  Yeah, see how it works?

 
 
 
KDMichigan
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7.1.11  KDMichigan  replied to  CB @7.1.10    4 years ago
May I suggest you inverse that statement and consider whether or not you would wish somebody to angrily do the same to your teen if s/he was the assaulter. Oh, I see now.  Yeah, see how it works?

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I'm glad i don't because i raised my kids right. 

See how that works?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
7.1.12  CB  replied to  KDMichigan @7.1.11    4 years ago

Kids will be kids. And you don't know what any kid is doing when an adult's back is 'turned.' What's sad is you think you do. Next, you will probably try to tell us about a flawless youth of your own. Really, flawless? Are you sure?

In the crowd scene in the video above, it is common to find kids properly home-trained who are flipping out above for whatever it is this girl did. It is not right. However, they are not "savages" or thugs, despite your rude and crude way of speaking about it. Many of these kids will be 'restored' by being called out for the attack and given direction (counseling) and they will go on to success.

The point of the article is clear. Read this:

As you can see in the film those were teenage boys stomping on the girl. They might be described as teens or children  by a public defender. Decent human beings regard them as thugs. The question is how could such a thing happen?
Clearly, all those involved thought they could get away with it and most likely have been getting away with it. From the dysfunctional/single parent families they might have descended from, to the school's lax discipline guidelines issued by then president Obama in 2014, right up to the chaotic tenure of Mayor Bill de Blasio, these thugs obviously feel they can get away with it. Progressive policies have turned a once great city into a state of savagery.

The article's intent is straightforward. It is a 'hit piece' using these kids in the video as a pretext to poke a finger at non-conservatives. I am clear-eyed to the intent of the article - you can deny, deny, deny. I will keep calling it out as I see it.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
7.2  Jasper2529  replied to  CB @7    4 years ago
Segueing from this assault (not involving a weapon of any kind)

Do you believe that over a dozen pair of kicking feet and legs are not weapons? Oh, and how did the girl get down on the ground to begin with? Let's guess ... she was pushed, shoved, or knocked down with arms, hands, and bodies.

It's long past the time to stop making excuses for thuggish behavior!

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
7.2.2  CB  replied to  Jasper2529 @7.2    4 years ago

Okay, what if she fell on her own accord? Sat down ("huddled")?

You will not position me to defend stupidity and violence. What I rise against is the abuse of the presentation by the Seeder. The classification of 'thug" is a signal. And if you do not know it that is not any problem of mine. You should listen up.

Of course this is assault, I stated so much. You quoted me calling it an assault. One boy literally jumps with both feet near the girl's stomach. He, specifically, should be arrested for assault. All the bad actors should be dealt with accordingly.

However, to come on this site and use the video to magnify racist tropes like "thug" and restate tropes about crimes across the country is not acceptable, in my opinion. I will push back against that all day, every day!

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
7.2.3  Jasper2529  replied to  CB @7.2.2    4 years ago
magnify racist tropes like "thug"

Ahhh ... so "thug" only refers to people of color? Interesting, because many people, including me, consider Bonnie & Clyde, Al Capone, and Hitler "thugs", too! 

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
7.2.4  CB  replied to  Jasper2529 @7.2.3    4 years ago

And so they were! They were infamous, and de facto criminals of their eras. These kids remind you of those types of people-how specifically?

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
7.2.5  Jasper2529  replied to  CB @7.2.4    4 years ago

CB, you were the one who stated that the word "thug" is a racist trope (see your comment 7.2.2 ). In comment 7.2.3 , I merely pointed out that thuggery is unrelated to a person's race.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
7.2.7  Jasper2529  replied to    4 years ago

[Deleted] but I was able to read all of it. I agree that the Democratic Party's history has proven that it seeks to "protect" those who they deem incapable of making decisions for themselves. The antidote has been the birth of Blexit.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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7.2.8  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  CB @7.2.2    4 years ago
What I rise against is the abuse of the presentation by the Seeder.

Thank you.

The classification of 'thug" is a signal

It's not a signal....it is the appropriate name

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
7.2.9  CB  replied to  Jasper2529 @7.2.5    4 years ago

'Thug' is used by the seeder of this article. I don't know how to help you with this, Jasper. If you do not know what is being bandied about in the term, perhaps just listen and learn for a while? The criminals you mentioned in your comment were lost causes to history, going far and beyond a mere single incident of brutality on a single day and a single street corner. No amount of 'talking to' or counseling would be sufficient for a bonafided thug.  These kids did a bad thing, no matter the reason for it. But, it is not thuggery except in a derogatory use by some for black males. And, I ain't down with that. No-siree.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
7.2.10  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  CB @7.2.9    4 years ago
But, it is not thuggery except in a derogatory use by some for black males.

That would be a sweeping generalization in addition to implying "racism."  The attack, I will remind you was on a black teenage girl - she was the victim.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
7.2.11  CB  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.2.10    4 years ago

The kids are not what is being discussed there. How come you can't figure this out? These children did not label themselves, "thugs" —I think you did, Vic. Now then, why did you do it? What logic caused you to dismiss the term used by the video news anchor and substitute your own? Please proceed. . . .

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
7.2.12  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  CB @7.2.11    4 years ago
These children did not label themselves, "thugs" —I think you did,

Correct. Individuals who act like thugs get called thugs. There are over a dozen young men ganging up on a teenage girl. They beat and robbed her. That is a thugish act. AND IT GOES FOR EVERYBODY - INCLUDING BLACKS! 


What logic caused you to dismiss the term used by the video news anchor and substitute your own? 

Because it's my article. If I didn't want to give opinions, I would have simply posted the CBS video. I'm expressing my view - get it?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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7.2.13  XXJefferson51  replied to    4 years ago

👍👏😀

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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7.2.14  XXJefferson51  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.2.12    4 years ago

How dare you do that! 😁👏👍

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
7.2.15  Jasper2529  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.2.10    4 years ago
The attack, I will remind you was on a black teenage girl - she was the victim.

Black on black assault/crime. Imagine that!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
7.2.16  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jasper2529 @7.2.15    4 years ago

It happens all too often.

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Jasper2529
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7.2.17  Jasper2529  replied to  CB @7.2.9    4 years ago
I don't know how to help you with this, Jasper.  If you do not know what is being bandied about in the term, perhaps just listen and learn for a while?

I don't know how to tell you that I have an in-depth understanding of the English language and don't need your help. I suggest that you stop making unctuous comments.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
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7.2.18  KDMichigan  replied to  CB @7.2.11    4 years ago
May I suggest you inverse that statement and consider whether or not you would wish somebody to angrily do the same to your teen if s/he was the assaulter. Oh, I see now.  Yeah, see how it works?

If the shoe fits put that mother on and wear it...

thug
[THəɡ]
NOUN
a violent person, especially a criminal.
"he was attacked by a gang of thugs"
synonyms:
ruffian · hoodlum · bully boy · bully · bandit · mugger · gangster · terrorist · gunman · murderer · killer · hitman · assassin · hooligan · vandal · Yardie · tough · bruiser · hired gun · rough · bovver boy · lager lout · chav · hoodie · ned · hood · goon · roughie · hoon · cutthroat · desperado · myrmidon

Yeah yeah I know we are supposed to deal with the Black THUGS with kind words and compassion.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
7.2.19  CB  replied to  Jasper2529 @7.2.7    4 years ago

Do you wish to translate that into plain English? Make it plain.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
7.2.20  CB  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.2.8    4 years ago

Yep! It's a signal. Now, you know it.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
7.2.21  CB  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.2.12    4 years ago

And, I am just pushing back with mine, dig it?

 
 
 
CB
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7.2.22  CB  replied to  KDMichigan @7.2.18    4 years ago
If the shoe fits put that mother on and wear it...

(No) virtue signaling? Easier said that done.

I would not wish anybody's child to be shot (in the head) period and most definitely not by an adult! Nor would I wish to see that adult in jail for a long extended period! And, I won't call anybody's child/ren "thugs" either!

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
7.2.23  CB  replied to  Jasper2529 @7.2.17    4 years ago

Black males are called thugs online as a pejorative, Jasper. Now that you have been informed, can I, we, count on you not to label young kids in such crude, rude, language?  I mean kids do label themselves, but Jasper, I take for granted you are not a kid. Am I wrong?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
7.2.24  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  CB @7.2.20    4 years ago
Yep! It's a signal.

A thug is a thug. There is no racial connotation in that word.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
7.2.25  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  CB @7.2.21    4 years ago
And, I am just pushing back with mine, dig it?

Then there will be a lot of pushing going on

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
7.2.26  CB  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.2.24    4 years ago

Yes, there is a pejorative when turned on (stupid) kids acting badly.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
7.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  CB @7    4 years ago

First off you should have addressed that to me.

Second of all I call them as I see them and I always will

 
 
 
CB
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7.3.1  CB  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.3    4 years ago

Okay I will address you as the seeder. You wrote the word, "thug" referring to young black youth in this video. I have explained throughout this thread why that is excessive and a misapplication of this term. Black males are abused with the term on the internet. Yes, Rush Limbaugh has been misapplying it to, Barack Obama, a former president of the United States.

You made a point, if these are your written words below, to dis-align the terms the announcer in the video uses: "teens" - "children"  with "thugs."  A signal-word loaded with overtones, for young black males (on the internet). If you didn't know that, now having it explained you should stand down,. . . remove the incendiary term from your article (above). I quote:

As you can see in the film those were teenage boys stomping on the girl. They might be described as teens or children  by a public defender. Decent human beings regard them as thugs. The question is how could such a thing happen?

So far, informed of it being a slight, you double-down.

I am fully aware of what is going on in the conservative sphere, where it is now fashionable to dismiss "PC" and go for rude and crude. Some conservatives call it, "the era of Trump"; use him as a touchstone,  say what they perceive to be true in using whatever words conservatives choose to others. You can do that, Vic. And likewise you can receive "incoming" verbal push-back when you choose to do it.

Black males are no more thugs for making stupid and violent choices, in this case assault, then others boys and girls of other ethnic and racial groups who do the same. I will help you with insensitive to these matters accordingly.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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7.3.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  CB @7.3.1    4 years ago
I have explained throughout this thread why that is excessive and a mis application of this term.

And I disagree

You made a point, if these are your written words below, to  dis -align the terms the announcer in the video uses: "teens" - "children"  with "thugs."  A  signal-word  loaded with overtones, for young black males (on the internet). If you didn't know that, now having it explained you should stand down

Unfortunately, you do not control the language.

Definition of   thug

: a brutal ruffian or assassin 







Please note there is no reference to black males there. Neither you nor anyone else here should be putting their own interpretations on that word. 

Take it as a warning. I'm reviewing the moderation here right now.

 
 
 
CB
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7.3.3  CB  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.3.2    4 years ago

You can play pretense all you want; I see you clearly, Vic.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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7.3.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  CB @7.3.3    4 years ago

Try not to get personal. I haven't questioned your motives. Don't question mine.

 
 
 
CB
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7.3.5  CB  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.3.4    4 years ago

I question the things I hear, read, and see in conservatism today. Are you a conservative?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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7.3.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  CB @7.3.5    4 years ago

Conservative and now a Trump Republican.  I have been registered as a Republican since I was old enough to vote - when the anti-Vietnam War protests were tearing the country apart.

 
 
 
CB
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7.3.7  CB  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.3.6    4 years ago

Thank you for sharing. Now, that you have introduced Trump to the topic. In passing, I expect you to hold Donald Trump accountable to the truth, and not just accountable to conservatism. 

I think we can agree that truth is foremost true. And, more than conservatives can and do wield it!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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7.3.8  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  CB @7.3.7    4 years ago
Now, that you have introduced Trump to the topic.

You may have noted that somebody else got him in via a devious method. So, now that I have erroneously allowed it, I will bring this little discussion to an end.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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8  Nerm_L    4 years ago

The fascinating aspect about discussions of crime is that attention seems to be focused on large cities.  And the cause is typically placed on some sort of generic, amorphous 'systemic problems' that can't be defined, let alone solved.  Perhaps it's time to consider that concentrating humans into a high population density is also a 'systemic problem'.  Starting with a problematic system of social organization only allows other problems to propagate, much as errors propagate.  

It seems no one is concerned over, or even aware of, rural crime.  Is rural crime not a problem?  Rural areas experience poverty, lack of opportunity, and lack of access, too.  One possibility that can explain why crime and 'systemic problems' is ignored and disregarded for rural areas is that the population is  too sparse and disorganized to claim 'system problems' as cause.  Pointing to generic, amorphous systemic failures cannot be intellectually defended for rural areas.  And the sparse population density is not amenable to band-aid fixes that depend upon social organization.

Cities are systems of social organization.  Perhaps crime is a more visible problem in cities because the city, itself, is a 'systemic problem'.  

 
 
 
CB
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8.1  CB  replied to  Nerm_L @8    4 years ago

New York City is the very definition of a metropolis. A world-class hub of activity; a threshold for immigration to 'America.' All the good, bad, ugly, and beautiful pass through, harbor, and settle within the city on the East Coast. Places where people commune en masse have predominate conflicts and issues associated with congregation. By the way, isn't New York City this country's largest population city? And California its most populated state?

It stands to reason both city and state are going to have the best and some of the foulest of societal issues to strive for and against, respectively. There is nothing abnormal about this. It is to be expected.  (Smile.)

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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8.1.1  Nerm_L  replied to  CB @8.1    4 years ago
New York City is the very definition of a metropolis. A world-class hub of activity; a threshold for immigration to 'America.' All the good, bad, ugly, and beautiful pass through, harbor, and settle within the city on the East Coast. Places where people commune en masse have predominate conflicts and issues associated with congregation. By the way, isn't New York City this country's largest population city? And California its most populated state? It stands to reason both city and state are going to have the best and some of the foulest of societal issues to strive for and against, respectively. There is nothing abnormal about this. It is to be expected.  (Smile.)

I've spent time in New York City.  For me, trying to live in New York would be Hell on Earth.  As would any of the other cities where I've been required to spend time.  For me, being forced to travel into a large city is not my idea of a good time.

I can relate to violence in big cities.  Fight or flight, with resulting violence, would be a natural response to such horrible living conditions.  

 
 
 
CB
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8.1.2  CB  replied to  Nerm_L @8.1.1    4 years ago

You are entitled to hold an opinion such as that one. It leaves to an obvious question: one that I shall not ask as it would appear against the rules in general. I wish you well where you live, nevertheless.

People like small and large cities. They exist for a purpose. As evidenced by their sheer and stable populations! (Smile.) So what if some days are not as great as another day? It happens somewhere every day on the planet, that someone can and will turn a smile upside-down into a frown!

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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8.1.3  Nerm_L  replied to  CB @8.1.2    4 years ago
People like small and large cities. They exist for a purpose. As evidenced by their sheer and stable populations! (Smile.) So what if some days are not as great as another day? It happens somewhere every day on the planet, that someone can and will turn a smile upside-down into a frown!

Obviously.  But simply dismissing the point of view I've expressed as an aberration is one of those systemic problems.

Social organization won't overcome individual dissatisfaction.  Imposing conformity onto individuals to achieve social organization can be a root cause of violence.  Attempting to correct problems with more stringent social organization is, itself, a systemic problem that will result in propagation of problems. 

I introduced the topic of rural lifestyles as a contrast between types and degree of social organization.  Understanding rural lifestyles may provide some insights into the problems being experienced in cities.   

 
 
 
CB
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8.1.4  CB  replied to  Nerm_L @8.1.3    4 years ago
You are entitled to hold an opinion such as that one.

Nerm, I did not dismiss your point of view. As you can see above.

This is your first mention of "rural" lifestyle. There is an obvious flaw with your statement, nevertheless. If everyone in cities reverted to rural living there would be over-populated farms, plains, hamlets and the like. Seeking relief, you might 'revert' to move to a (big) city)?

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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8.1.5  Nerm_L  replied to  CB @8.1.4    4 years ago
Nerm, I did not dismiss your point of view. As you can see above.

The viewpoint I've expressed is an opinion while New York City is a definition?  And that is not dismissive?

This is your first mention of "rural" lifestyle. There is an obvious flaw with your statement, nevertheless. If everyone in cities reverted to rural living there would be over-populated farms, plains, hamlets and the like. Seeking relief, you might 'revert' to move to a (big) city)?

I suggest you read my original comment @8 again.  And attempting to make an argument based on an assumption rather than what I actually presented is a strawman, at best.

I never advocated that everyone in cities revert to rural living.  What I said is that understanding rural lifestyles may provide insights into the problems being experienced in cities.  I am contending that the methods of social organization in cities may well be a source of violence.  So, understanding other methods of social organization may provide useful information that can be applied to urban lifestyles.

Rural areas experience poverty, lack of opportunity, and lack of access.  And social organization won't address those systemic problems in rural areas; population density is too low to apply methods of urban social organization.  Rural areas aren't cities that occupy more land area.  By focusing attention on solutions that depend upon population density, those solutions won't be applicable for rural areas experiencing the same sort of systemic problems.  Maybe population density and social organization isn't the characteristic that provides solutions to systemic problems.

 
 
 
CB
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8.1.6  CB  replied to  Nerm_L @8.1.5    4 years ago
I am contending that the methods of social organization in cities may well be a source of violence.  So, understanding other methods of social organization may provide useful information that can be applied to urban lifestyles.

????

 
 
 
CB
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9  CB    4 years ago
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New York’s current mayor has never been on friendly terms with New York’s finest. The strained relationship dates back to de Blasio’s campaign, when he pledged to reform the city’s stop-and-frisk practices, which the police credited for a decrease in crime but detractors decry as institutionalized racial profiling. The promise, along with de Blasio’s own mixed-race family and his outreach to black communities, helped him win 42% of the African-American vote in a crowded Democratic primary that featured an experienced black candidate, former city comptroller Bill Thompson.



As long as people like Bill de Blasio find "people" (who are they?) to vote for them, cities like NYC will continue to devolve into violence and chaos. I've been told that the 14th congressional district, which elected AOC has more voters who are immigrant than native citizens. If that is part of the problem, maybe we should hold back voting rights until new citizens become assimilated. A five year wait might be appropriate.

One thing is for sure we cannot tolerate the lawlessness we have seen in NYC over the past few years.

The power of imagery,disjointed narratives 'drawn' together, and manipulation gets you a strong "message" and signaling. What does the above image, have to do with how police "feel" about DeBlasio, have to do with stop and frisk (determined to be massively overused and overlong in a court of law by the way), have to do with mixed races and racial outreach, have to do with DeBlasio's color?

Confusing messages and slamming them together to cause an overall negative emotional outburst in others. Disgusting .

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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9.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  CB @9    4 years ago

Why aren't you addressing these comments to me?

What does the above image, have to do with how police "feel" about DeBlasio, have to do with stop and frisk (determined to be massively overused and overlong in a court of law by the way), have to do with mixed races and racial outreach, have to do with DeBlasio's color?

I didn't think de Blasio's color had anything to do with it. The photo was selected because he campaigned on the word on the sign in front of him - progress. His administration as Mayor has produced little "progress.' Instead he has weakened the enforcement of law & order in the city of New York.

 
 
 
CB
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9.1.1  CB  replied to  Vic Eldred @9.1    4 years ago

Okay, then the comment is to the Seeder: You should read the article you wrote from the top down. This is a non-sequitur to the video posted. How did you come about adding in it? How does the race and ethnicity of the De Blasio family featured prominently here) have anything to do with this selection and placement in the article?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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9.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  CB @9.1.1    4 years ago
How did you come about adding it?

You don't need a premise embedded in a single news event. You do get to form an opinion when there are constant events taking place after certain police policies have been changed. You obviously don't like the opinion. 

Does the race and ethnicity of the Blasio family have anything to do with this selection and placement in the article?

The average mind would have concluded from what I wrote that I blame his policy for the state of affairs on the streets of NYC.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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11  Perrie Halpern R.A.    4 years ago
I've been told that the 14th congressional district, which elected AOC has more voters who are immigrant than native citizens. If that is part of the problem, maybe we should hold back voting rights until new citizens become assimilated. A five year wait might be appropriate.

NYC is a city of immigrants and that is what the city has always been about. I don't like AOC, but to deny voting rights is wrong if they are citizens. Btw, here is the actual ethnic makeup of the 14th district: 

18.41% white

11.39% black

16.24% Asian

49.80% Hispanic

0.45% Native American

3.71% other.

Please note that Hispanics in NYC can be from one of many Latino countries and Peurto Rico, which is American and Ms. Ocasio-Cortez is Peurto Rician.

 
 
 
JBB
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11.1  JBB  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11    4 years ago

This old white guy from Oklahoma has walked his little dog all over the 14th Congressional District for four years from Yankee Field to Bronx Park, from The Bronx Zoo to Arthur Avenue, from City Island to Grand Concourse and have never ever been accosted even once. Never had a problem. In fact, people have been overwhelming friendly and helpful. In reality NYC is known for being friendly!

 
 
 
JBB
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11.2  JBB  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11    4 years ago

Those demographic numbers are changing quickly right now. The Bronx is becoming gentrified at lightning speed especially in those neighborhoods classified as Opportunity Zones. Actually it has been accelerating for a few years now... 

 
 
 
JBB
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11.3  JBB  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11    4 years ago

If you "Don't Like" my Representative in Congress that is fine by me because I think Peter King is a blowhard and about half a nincompoop...

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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11.3.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  JBB @11.3    4 years ago

I'm not a fan of Peter King either. But neither are my representatives. Tom Suozzi is. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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11.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11    4 years ago

I wish you had addressed that to me, Perrie. I grew up in an immigrant city too. The difference seems to be that the votes used to be about supporting someone or something. A vote for AOC is clearly a vote against something.

I'm glad to point out that Ms. Ocasio-Cortez  will be facing Scherie Murray, a New York businesswoman, next election. Murray from Jamaica!  So take that Alexandria!

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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11.4.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @11.4    4 years ago

I know you grew up in an immigrant city, which is why I found that article's last paragraph so shocking. 

A vote for AOC is clearly a vote against something.

Well, that can be said about almost any candidate. I don't know much about Scherie Murray, so I will wait to hear what she says. You know us indies. Highly unpredictable. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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11.4.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11.4.1    4 years ago
I know you grew up in an immigrant city, which is why I found that article's last paragraph so shocking. 

When I was a child only English was allowed to be spoken in my home. It was tough on my Grandmother, who could barely speak English. We all wanted to be American and we voted for American values. We assimilated! I'm surprised that you haven't noticed the difference. Compare the immigrants who once voted for Fiorello La Guardia and those who just elected AOC.  Think of what it did for and to the city of New York.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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11.4.3  sandy-2021492  replied to  Vic Eldred @11.4.2    4 years ago
When I was a child only English was allowed to be spoken in my home.

That's really unfortunate.  Being multilingual has many advantages for both children and adults.  In the US, we start teaching foreign languages to students too late for many of them to become proficient.  Speaking only one language isn't necessary to being American.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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11.4.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  sandy-2021492 @11.4.3    4 years ago

Knowing two languages is one thing. Not knowing English is a handicap for those trying to get an education in the US.

 
 

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