Franklin Graham Warns of 'All-Out Socialism' If Americans Don't Vote and Pray in November

  
Via:  XXJefferson51  •  last year  •  109 comments

By:   Michael Faust

Franklin Graham Warns of 'All-Out Socialism' If Americans Don't Vote and Pray in November
“Socialism is dangerous, and we have a party and many politicians who are flirting with all-out socialism. Portland is an example of what will take place in other cities if Americans do not take a stand in defense of the nation – through the power of the vote,”

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Graham is right.  Americans have a lot to lose if the election in November goes wrong.  We should all pray for our country and then vote to prevent a dark socialist future for ourselves. 


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Evangelist Franklin Graham said Monday the United States is in danger of becoming socialist if Americans don’t vote in November for leaders who “love this country, defend the Constitution” and “support law & order.”

Graham made the comments in a series of tweets. Although he didn’t mention specific candidates or parties by name, his comments were in line with his recent criticism of the Democratic party.

“The chaos erupting in cities controlled by liberal, socialist-leaning leadership should cause great concern,” Graham tweeted. “If this kind of leadership wins in local, state & national elections in November, we'll see more of this, which would lead to the demise of our nation as we know it.”



“I would encourage every person who loves this country to pray & to turn out by the millions to vote. Don’t just watch the news & be depressed – stand up for America! Vote for leaders who love this country, defend the Constitution, & support law & order. Most importantly, pray,” Graham added.  








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Socialism is dangerous, and we have a party and many politicians who are flirting with all-out socialism. Portland is an example of what will take place in other cities if Americans do not take a stand in defense of the nation—through the power of the vote.











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I would encourage every person who loves this country to pray & to turn out by the millions to vote. Don’t just watch the news & be depressed—stand up for America! Vote for leaders who love this country, defend the Constitution, & support law & order. Most importantly, pray.






In a later tweet , Graham referenced comments from Jack Brewer, a former NFL player and a professor at the Fordham University Gabelli School of Business. Graham linked to an interview with Brewer, who told Fox News that Americans need to model the non-violent protests of the late Rep. John Lewis, who marched with Martin Luther King Jr.





. @JackBrewerBSI had some important things to say about the state of our nation in a media interview yesterday. He pointed out the contrast between peaceful protests & the violent, destructive protests-turned-riots that we're seeing today.










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“These guys had Bibles with him,” Brewer said of the civil rights protesters of the 1960s. “These men and women who marched all praised Jesus and they prayed for their enemies and they loved their enemies and ... when someone cursed them, they replied back with love. And that's what we need to get back to in our nation. I think this is a time to reflect that as we mourn the loss of Congressman Lewis.”

Wrote Graham, “Thank you Jack – God’s Word is the truth that can transform hearts & lives, & it can also transform nations.”

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Michael Foust has covered the intersection of faith and news for 20 years. His stories have appeared in Baptist Press,  Christianity Today , The Christian Po st , the   Leaf-Chronicle the Toronto Star and   the Knoxville News-Sentinel .










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XXJefferson51
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1  seeder  XXJefferson51    last year

“I would encourage every person who loves this country to pray & to turn out by the millions to vote. Don’t just watch the news & be depressed – stand up for America! Vote for leaders who love this country, defend the Constitution, & support law & order. Most importantly, pray,” Graham added.... “These guys had Bibles with him,” Brewer said of the civil rights protesters of the 1960s. “These men and women who marched all praised Jesus and they prayed for their enemies and they loved their enemies and ... when someone cursed them, they replied back with love. And that's what we need to get back to in our nation. I think this is a time to reflect that as we mourn the loss of Congressman Lewis.”

Wrote Graham, “Thank you Jack – God’s Word is the truth that can transform hearts & lives, & it can also transform nations.”  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1    last year

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1    last year

We do need to pray for our nation for 2 Chronicles 7:13-15 solution to our national problems and avoid a slide into the evil of secular socialism.  

 
 
 
Gordy327
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1.2.1  Gordy327  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.2    last year
We do need to pray for our nation for 2 Chronicles 7:13-15 solution to our national problems and avoid a slide into the evil of secular socialism.  

Funny, but people have probably been praying for our nation since its inception. And yet, we continue to have problems. Seems like prayer isn't doing anything, other than making someone feel like they're doing something.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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1.2.2  TᵢG  replied to  Gordy327 @1.2.1    last year

Also, this is another situation where prayer is expected to result in action.   God is ostensibly omniscient;  He already knows everything so no amount of prayer will change His mind.   So if God is going to take an action (or not take an action) praying to Him is (logically) not going to make a difference.

 
 
 
Gordy327
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1.2.3  Gordy327  replied to  TᵢG @1.2.2    last year
Also, this is another situation where prayer is expected to result in action. 

Prayer tends to have a long track record of failure in that regard.

  God is ostensibly omniscient;  He already knows everything so no amount of prayer will change His mind.   So if God is going to take an action (or not take an action) praying to Him is (logically) not going to make a difference.

Indeed. Are we expected to think god will suddenly change his mind (or "Grand Plan") just because someone prays to him? But then, logic tends to be absent where religion is concerned. Prayer is a perfect example of that.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.2.4  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Gordy327 @1.2.1    last year

We live in a sinful world so there will always be problems.  God his richly blessed this nation and will continue to do so as long as we seek it.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.2.5  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  TᵢG @1.2.2    last year

If no one in the country is worshiping, honoring, and praying then God will withhold the blessings He intended to give.  God withheld blessings from Israel often when they turned away from Him and will now of we do that.  

 
 
 
TᵢG
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1.2.6  TᵢG  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.2.5    last year

But omniscient God already knows what people will do.   So if they stop praying in the future, God already knows this.

 
 
 
Gordy327
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1.2.7  Gordy327  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.2.4    last year
We live in a sinful world so there will always be problems.

Then that makes your god useless and/or irrelevant.

 God his richly blessed this nation and will continue to do so as long as we seek it.  

It's the American people that made this country what it is. 

If no one in the country is worshiping, honoring, and praying

Then we might be able to progress and advance farther than ever rather than being held back by superstition and Bronze Age mentality.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2  Tessylo    last year

No need to pray.  That won't help a thing.

'stand up for America! Vote for leaders who love this country, defend the Constitution, & support law & order.'   Yes, that would be JOE BIDEN!

Millions and millions and millions will be voting for Joe Biden.  

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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2.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Tessylo @2    last year

Oh yeah, prayer realllllyyyyyyy works.  The sound of all the prayer that began on the day we knew how bad this thing was going to get with Trump at the helm must have deafening.  Has it helped, NO.  Can it help, NO.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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2.1.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @2.1    last year
The sound of all the prayer that began on the day we knew how bad this thing was going to get with Trump at the helm must have deafening.  Has it helped, NO.  Can it help, NO.

Perhaps you were praying for the wrong thing?????

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.1.1    last year

Things were going great in America since Trump was elected until China attacked us.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.3  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.2    last year
"Things were going great in America since Trump was elected until China attacked us."  

How so?

China attacked us?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.4  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.3    last year

Yes, they deliberately hid info about the virus and deliberately spread it to the rest of the world until they were sure we were afflicted by it.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.5  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.4    last year

What nonsense. . . and a conspiracy to boot . . . 

 
 
 
Ronin2
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2.1.6  Ronin2  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.5    last year

Even the Chinese government now admits it.

WHO isn't to be believed also correct?

But behind the scenes, it was a much different story, one of significant delays by China and considerable frustration among WHO officials over not getting the information they needed to fight the spread of the deadly virus, The Associated Press has found.

Despite the plaudits, China in fact sat on releasing the genetic map, or genome, of the virus for more than a week after three different government labs had fully decoded the information. Tight controls on information and competition within the Chinese public health system were to blame, according to dozens of interviews and internal documents.

Chinese government labs only released the genome after another lab published it ahead of authorities on a virologist website on Jan. 11. Even then, China stalled for at least two weeks more on providing WHO with detailed data on patients and cases, according to recordings of internal meetings held by the U.N. health agency through January — all at a time when the outbreak arguably might have been dramatically slowed.

WHO officials were lauding China in public because they wanted to coax more information out of the government, the recordings obtained by the AP suggest. Privately, they complained in meetings the week of Jan. 6 that China was not sharing enough data to assess how effectively the virus spread between people or what risk it posed to the rest of the world, costing valuable time.

“We’re going on very minimal information,” said American epidemiologist Maria Van Kerkhove, now WHO’s technical lead for COVID-19, in one internal meeting. “It’s clearly not enough for you to do proper planning.”

“We’re currently at the stage where yes, they’re giving it to us 15 minutes before it appears on CCTV,” said WHO’s top official in China, Dr. Gauden Galea, referring to the state-owned China Central Television, in another meeting.

The story behind the early response to the virus comes at a time when the U.N. health agency is under siege , and has agreed to an independent probe of how the pandemic was handled globally. After repeatedly praising the Chinese response early on, U.S. President Donald Trump has blasted WHO in recent weeks for allegedly colluding with China to hide the extent of the coronavirus crisis. He cut ties with the organization on Friday, jeopardizing the approximately $450 million the U.S. gives every year as WHO’s biggest single donor.

The Chinese government lied and people all over the world died. No amount of leftist spin will change that fact.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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2.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Tessylo @2    last year
Millions and millions and millions will be voting for Joe Biden.  

I have no doubt Biden will clear the 75 million voters mark this year while I doubt Trump will get even 60 million, far fewer than he was able to fool in 2016.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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2.2.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to    last year
Do you want to bet on that?

The wager is already the survival of America, is there really any need to bet more? Just because the 15,000 people who live in your town all have Trump signs on their lawn does not mean Trump is going to win. The vast majority of Americans in the last election and even more in this election will be voting to kick this numb nut moron out of the oval office and all the naysayer's will gnash their teeth and scream to high heaven about how unfair it is doing exactly what they've accused their opponents of doing for the last three and a half years. And rational sane Americans will breathe a sigh of relief and there will be mass celebration in most streets, accept for those towns that prefer to fly confederate flags and swastikas.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.2.3  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @2.2.2    last year

Trump is going to win by a bigger margin in 2020 than he did in 2016.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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2.2.4  TᵢG  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.2.3    last year
Trump is going to win by a bigger margin in 2020 than he did in 2016.

Is this another 'fact' simply because you believe it or do you have evidence that leads to this conclusion?

Seems to me this is just cheer-leading and has no factual credibility.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.2.5  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  TᵢG @2.2.4    last year

There’s this;

 
 
 
TᵢG
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2.2.6  TᵢG  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.2.5    last year

I never click your instagrams so your point, if one exists, is wasted on me.   I suspect most people ignore them too.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.2.7  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  TᵢG @2.2.6    last year

It was simply a poll showing a 50%-48% favorable job performance rating for our great and awesome President.  

 
 
 
TᵢG
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2.2.8  TᵢG  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.2.7    last year

How many polls do you suppose show Trump in net unfavorable job performance ?  

If you are going to put weight on polling, you should at least look at the mode, not the outlier.   Wishful thinking often does not lead one to truth.

 
 
 
Gordy327
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2.2.9  Gordy327  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.2.7    last year
It was simply a poll showing a 50%-48% favorable job performance rating

That's not very impressive. So at best, only HALF approve. If this were school, a 50% would be a fail.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.2.10  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  TᵢG @2.2.8    last year

I’m looking at the daily tracking poll.  The real clear average has been shrinking Biden’s once Dukakis sized lead.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.2.11  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Gordy327 @2.2.9    last year

Trump didn’t have that high a rating when he beat the witch to win the Presidency.  

 
 
 
Gordy327
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2.2.12  Gordy327  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.2.11    last year

Trump only had about a 46% rating then. He currently has only about a 41%-43% rating. The highest he's been able to obtain during his presidency is only 49%. It's still not impressive. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
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2.2.13  TᵢG  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.2.10    last year
I’m looking at the daily tracking poll.  The real clear average has been shrinking Biden’s once Dukakis sized lead.

Confirmation bias.   You are looking for ways to justify your hope that Trump wins rather than objectively evaluating the evidence.

I am confident that if the polls were reversed you would be trashing Biden daily as a loser.  

The reality is that Trump is behind.   And underlying the polls there are factors at play.   He has lost his biggest advantage:  the economy.    He has lost another big advantage:  an electorate the feels comfortable.    He used to be in the position to argue that his presidency has brought forth the ' greatest economy everjrSmiley_90_smiley_image.gif   but now his best argument is that he will bring the economy back and Biden will not.    But his failure to stabilize the USA during this pandemic (especially given his contradictory positions about the seriousness) is a net disadvantage.   People are not comfortable;  people are stressed out over the threat of getting sick and the hardships imposed as a result of dealing with the pandemic.   And Trump gets all the blame because the PotUS always gets the blame and because other nations are doing substantially better than the USA in handling the pandemic.   Biden has no blame for this.

For Trump to win, he needs people to again be comfortable (at least less uncomfortable).   An uncomfortable electorate tends to change the leadership (not working with this guy, let's try the other guy).  

Does not look like Trump will restore the economy and ease the discomfort in time to win.   Looks like God wants Biden.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.3  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @2    last year

We need to pray.  That will help everything.

'stand up for America! Vote for leaders who love this country, defend the Constitution, & support law & order.'   Yes, that would be Donald J. Trump!

Millions and millions and millions will be voting for America by voting for Donald Trump!  KAG!

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.3.1  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.3    last year

Nope.  

 
 
 
Gordy327
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2.3.2  Gordy327  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.3    last year
We need to pray.  That will help everything.

Since when? 

Yes, that would be Donald J. Trump!

The president who let Covid run rampant. Not exactly a glowing review.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.3.3  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @2.3.1    last year

Yes!

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.3.4  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Gordy327 @2.3.2    last year

Since the day God created the first man and woman in the Garden of Eden....

The only one who let covid run rampant is Chairman Winnie the Pooh Zi in Communist China.  He deliberately spread it all around the world.  

 
 
 
Gordy327
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2.3.5  Gordy327  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.3.4    last year
Since the day God created the first man and woman in the Garden of Eden....

Demonstrable myth.

The only one who let covid run rampant is Chairman Winnie the Pooh Zi in Communist China.  

While the President has utterly dropped the ball in dealing with it, especially while many other countries have gotten a handle on it.

He deliberately spread it all around the world.

Sounds like another conspiracy theory nonsense!

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.3.6  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Gordy327 @2.3.5    last year

Covid is having a 2nd wave outbreak all over the world not just here. 

 
 
 
Gordy327
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2.3.7  Gordy327  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.3.6    last year

Is that supposed to be an excuse for the President's dismal response to it?

 
 
 
Gordy327
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2.5  Gordy327  replied to  Tessylo @2    last year
No need to pray.  That won't help a thing.

True. After all, what use is praying when some actually believe "god chooses our leaders?" 

 
 
 
cjcold
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2.5.1  cjcold  replied to  Gordy327 @2.5    last year

I submit testing a hypothesis. All republicans pray for Trump and all democrats vote for Biden on November 3rd. 

 
 
 
Gordy327
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2.5.2  Gordy327  replied to  cjcold @2.5.1    last year

That seems reasonable.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.5.3  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Gordy327 @2.5.2    last year

There won’t be that many praying for Biden to win. 

 
 
 
Gordy327
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2.5.4  Gordy327  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.5.3    last year

True. They might actually do something productive like voting for Biden rather than praying.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.5.5  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Gordy327 @2.5.4    last year

We are going to both pray for and vote for President Trump.  

 
 
 
Gordy327
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2.5.6  Gordy327  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.5.5    last year

Only 1 will have any appreciable effect.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.5.7  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Gordy327 @2.5.6    last year

And we are going to pray that we can escape the impending economic blight of socialism if democrats win.  

 
 
 
Gordy327
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2.5.8  Gordy327  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.5.7    last year

If the Democrats win, then that must be because your God wanted it, right? 

 
 
 
TᵢG
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2.5.9  TᵢG  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.5.7    last year

Statism.   You are worried about higher taxation | borrowing to fund more social programs.   That is statism; in particular, social democracy.   It is a form of capitalism, not socialism.  

 
 
 
TᵢG
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2.5.10  TᵢG  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.5.7    last year

What is the point if you believe God picks all nation's leaders?   Praying is, by that logic, not going to do anything since an omniscient entity already knows everything.   Voting will not either (unless you presume that God is driving your voting decision ... against free will).

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.5.11  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Gordy327 @2.5.8    last year

If it happens that would be the case.  It would signal that the angels holding back the winds of strife would soon begin to pull back from that, setting the final events before the 2nd coming into full motion and the world becomes ever more evil.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.5.12  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  TᵢG @2.5.9    last year

I’m heavily involved in the stock market and am anxiously watching it.  Since I can retire in 1 yr 10 mo. to 6 yrs 10 mo. to 9 yrs 10 months 62-67-70, I’m in a moderately conservative position.  If it is clear that Biden is going to win the night of Nov. 3rd/ early morning of Nov. 4th, I’m going to unload every thing and go Almost all cash, government bonds, and precious metals and make it to retirement on what I have now. I’m not going to take any risk at all with the left in control of all political power.  Then I’ll transfer more of my traditional IRA and 403b into Roth format and pay taxes at this years rate instead of Biden’s when I actually retire. 

 
 
 
Gordy327
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2.5.13  Gordy327  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.5.11    last year
If it happens that would be the case.  It would signal that the angels holding back the winds of strife would soon begin to pull back from that, setting the final events before the 2nd coming into full motion and the world becomes ever more evil.  

Then you should be happy if it happens. Since you seem to want it to happen, you should be voting for Biden then. You know, to help things along, as it were.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.5.14  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Gordy327 @2.5.13    last year

No.  Need Trump for four more years so that there’s that much more time to get the message we have to more people all over the world.  But if God is ready to end it all sooner then that’s fine too.  

 
 
 
TᵢG
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2.5.15  TᵢG  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.5.12    last year

You will be too late.   The market will have already factored in a Biden win so you will be selling lower than you should.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.5.16  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.5.7    last year

What about the current economic blight thanks to tRump?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.5.17  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.5.11    last year
"It would signal that the angels holding back the winds of strife would soon begin to pull back from that, setting the final events before the 2nd coming into full motion and the world becomes ever more evil."

That's delusional.  You don't really believe that do you?

 
 
 
Gordy327
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2.5.18  Gordy327  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.5.14    last year
Need Trump for four more years so that there’s that much more time to get the message we have to more people all over the world.  

If you haven't gotten to it by now, you never will.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.5.19  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  TᵢG @2.5.15    last year

Right now there is optimism that the covid will be reduced, the economy will be coming back strong, a vaccine just coming out or very soon and that Trump will win re election.  If it does become clear that Trump is going to lose well before Election Day, I wont wait that long.  I’m only in now because I believe he will be re elected.  I believe that Biden and his friends who control him will do far more damage to the markets than Obama did with different policies affecting too many sectors.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.5.20  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @2.5.17    last year

I do believe in the 2nd coming and that it will happen in the near to mid term future (6 mo.-25 yrs) but no person knows the day nor the hour of it

 
 
 
TᵢG
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2.5.21  TᵢG  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.5.19    last year

Very wishful thinking in that 'optimism'.

But I agree that simply based on psychology and ignorance of the masses, consumers and businesses will likely take a more conservative position and the end result will be a slowed economy.

 
 
 
Gordy327
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2.5.22  Gordy327  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.5.20    last year
I do believe in the 2nd coming and that it will happen in the near to mid term future (6 mo.-25 yrs) but no person knows the day nor the hour of it

People have been saying that nonsense for 2000 years now. It doesn't look like its happening. So, what if it doesn't happen in 25 years?

 
 
 
devangelical
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Socialism is dangerous

especially the kind of socialism where everyone puts what they can afford into a collection plate, in which the proceeds allegedly go to the needy, while the administrators of those funds are usually wealthy beyond imagination and happily serve those in word and deed that protect and perpetuate their tax exempt status.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  devangelical @3    last year

Actually I have accountability to me available so that I know what every cent I give to my church in tithe and offerings are going to do.  I’m sure most of us believers have similar assurances. 

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.1.1  devangelical  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1    last year

the same people guaranteeing an afterlife are showing their account ledgers?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  devangelical @3.1.1    last year

No mere mortal guarantees eternal life.  That’s a gift from God.  

 
 
 
Gordy327
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3.1.3  Gordy327  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.2    last year
No mere mortal guarantees eternal life.  That’s a gift from God.  

I'm sure that's what religious types say. Especially to ensure fealty or obedience. It does make for a feel good story.

 
 
 
Kavika
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Graham's net worth is $10 million. He earned it working really really hard taking money from the gullible. 

 
 
 
devangelical
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4.1  devangelical  replied to  Kavika @4    last year

he's going to make a thread sized meat noodle 100 miles long after he passes thru the eye of that needle...

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
4.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Kavika @4    last year

Graham doesn’t operate like that.  His outreach efforts and missions he supports are all accountable above board and legitimate.  

 
 
 
devangelical
PhD Principal
4.2.1  devangelical  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.2    last year

which is probably why he has $10 million in assets ...

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.2.2  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.2    last year
"Graham doesn’t operate like that.  His outreach efforts and missions he supports are all accountable above board and legitimate."  

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devangelical
PhD Principal
4.2.3  devangelical  replied to  Tessylo @4.2.2    last year
Speaking of false prophets

... that's exactly what frank graham is.

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charger 383
Professor Quiet
4.2.4  charger 383  replied to  Tessylo @4.2.2    last year

We have not heard from him in a long time

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.2.5  Tessylo  replied to  charger 383 @4.2.4    last year

"We have not heard from him in a long time"

Gee, what a shame.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
4.2.6  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  devangelical @4.2.3    last year

Franklin Graham has never claimed to be a prophet.  He is a minister of the gospel of Jesus Christ as a pastor.  

 
 
 
devangelical
PhD Principal
4.2.7  devangelical  replied to  Tessylo @4.2.5    last year

he probably lived up to his name here...

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.2.8  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.2.6    last year

He's a huckster, a charlatan, who lines his pockets from his gullible followers.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
4.2.9  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @4.2.8    last year

Prove it!  

 
 
 
Ronin2
Masters Quiet
4.3  Ronin2  replied to  Kavika @4    last year

He should have been a politician then.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
4.3.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Ronin2 @4.3    last year

No, he found his right calling. He did rebel for a time and caused his father some heart ache for a time before finding his way.  He is an excellent pastor.  

 
 
 
Account Deleted
Freshman Quiet
5  Account Deleted    last year
Graham is right.  Americans have a lot to lose if the election in November goes wrong.  We should all pray for our country ...

Wow - I couldn't agree more.

Sad that the apple rolled so far from the tree with Franklin.

I like this definition of Socialism :

Socialism is taxpayer funds being used collectively to benefit society as a whole, despite income, contribution, or ability.

Yep - sounds a lot like Marx - from each according to his ability to each according to his needs.

Ask Americans is they think socialism is a good idea - most will probably say  - no.

Ask Americans if they like, fire departments, free public libraries (sure a check out card costs you a few bucks but you can sit in air conditioning and read all day for free), highways and roads that are not "toll" roads, postal service where you spend 50 cents to mail a letter rather than $8.50, 72% subsidized health care for Congress, VA Heath Care, Social Security, Medicare, FEMA (trust me - when it's working it's great), street lights, public parks (city) ...

Yes - Virginia - that's not Santa Claus - that's the socialism we already have.

Franklin should know - it's like the early church -

Act 2:44-45

All the believers were together and had everything in common. They sold property and possessions to give to anyone who had need.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
5.1  TᵢG  replied to  Account Deleted @5    last year

You should read the article from which you got your posted definition of socialism.   The author is claiming everything 'good' is socialism.   It is a ridiculous piece.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
5.1.1  Ender  replied to  TᵢG @5.1    last year

Amazing to me that people still go on and on about how some want to turn us into an evil socialist country.

It's not going to happen.

As many times as you try to explain socialism to some people (not pointing to Adam) they still cling to their idea of what it is.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
5.1.2  TᵢG  replied to  Ender @5.1.1    last year

(Yes, not pointing to Adam)

There is so much crap passed about in the USA about socialism;  it is amazing watching people simply repeat slogans and mantras without taking a moment to try to understand what they are talking about.   For example, some people think that our military, the post office, etc. is socialism.   jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif     Stubborn ignorance.

Even the most basic notion that socialism is the opposite of capitalism;  that a system based on a capitalist economy cannot, by definition, be socialism escapes (it seems) most everyone.   Public services is NOT a defining characteristic of socialism.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
5.1.4  TᵢG  replied to    last year
I don't worry about socialism ...

Nor should you.   Socialism (democratic, decentralized control over the resources of the economy) will not exist in the USA during our lifetimes (if ever).

... it is the outright theft by taxation both income tax and inheritance tax if the leftist get total control  it will happen.

You described statism coupled with redistribution of wealth.   You have good reason to worry about this.   This is where our socio-political/economic system is heading.   This is where our culture is heading.   When people call this 'socialism' they lose precision in language.   They have now used a term that is so overloaded with meaning that it means almost nothing.   It is best to fight specifics (e.g. being against expanding the redistribution of wealth already in effect in the USA) rather than fight an amorphous blob labeled 'socialism'.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
5.1.6  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  TᵢG @5.1    last year

There is nothing good about socialism.  

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
5.1.7  TᵢG  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.1.6    last year

That is a meaningless statement given you have not defined what you mean by 'socialism'.   Do you know what you mean?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
5.1.8  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  TᵢG @5.1.7    last year

It’s like pornography.  We recognize it for what it is when we see it.  

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
5.1.9  TᵢG  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.1.8    last year

Your inability to provide even a basic definition for socialism shows you have no idea what you are talking about.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
5.1.10  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  TᵢG @5.1.9    last year

Did the Supreme Court justice who said that about pornography have no idea what he was talking about?  

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
5.1.11  TᵢG  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.1.10    last year

I suspect he knew what he was talking about.  

But if he were here and claimed:  "There is nothing good about socialism." I would ask him to define what he means by 'socialism'.

My bet is that he would have been able to give a straight answer since it is quite possible to give a clear definition of socialism.  That is, if one knows what one is talking about.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
5.1.12  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  TᵢG @5.1.11    last year

If there was something, anything at all good about socialism, I’d let you know. But since it as an ideology actually practiced by human beings has no redeeming value, I have nothing to report.  

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
5.1.13  TᵢG  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.1.12    last year

Again when you use 'socialism' without offering what you mean by the term, your entire comment is meaningless.

 
 
 
bbl-1
Professor Quiet
6  bbl-1    last year

Graham is using the socialism scare card because he knows his salary should be considered income like everyone else's and taxed accordingly.  Graham and the rest of the 'religious grifters' abhor helping to support the nation, it's veterans, it's people and it's national cemetery for the fallen. 

Graham and the others like him have turned christianity into yet another American hoax. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.1  Tessylo  replied to  bbl-1 @6    last year
So true, to hucksters like Graham, God is green and he folds.  
 
 
 
JumpDrive
Freshman Silent
7  JumpDrive    last year

What is with conservatives fixation on socialism as evil? Police & Fire departments, public roads, bridges & tunnels, Social Security & Medicare, the military, the postal service, garbage collection, the FBI & CIA, libraries, and a hundred other things are socialism. Social Security & Medicare changed the descent into poverty & disease that used to accompany getting old for the majority of Americans into a decent retirement.

Jesus said to help the poor, the sick, the hungry, & the homeless, or face dire consequences. Conservatives are constantly reducing, and would love to eliminate, the socialist programs TANF, Medicaid, SNAP, and housing assistance which greatly alleviate the poor's suffering. In the early 1900s, 53% of Americans were subsistence living, 1/3 of city dwellers were starving. The poor are much better off now, thanks to socialism.

The GI Bill was one of the biggest pieces of socialism ever. It pretty much created the middle class that conservatives love to reminisce about.

My point is the Graham is not in *any* sense a follower of the teachings of Jesus. He supports a party that, at every turn, undoes, or works to undo any of the polices that support the path provided by Jesus. The Golden Rule appears in at least the Gospels of Luke & Matthew. Yet conservatives, through bigoted laws & executive orders, promote discrimination against Muslims, immigrants, and LGBT people. Franklin Graham is nothing like his father, Franklin is simply an opportunist taking advantage of his father's good works.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Guide
7.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  JumpDrive @7    last year

hat is with conservatives fixation on socialism as evil? Police & Fire departments, public roads, bridges & tunnels, Social Security & Medicare, the military, the postal service, garbage collection, the FBI & CIA, libraries, and a hundred other things are socialism

No, they aren't. All government action is not "socialism". If you define that as socialism, than every government in the history of the world was "socialist."

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
Masters Guide
7.2  The Magic 8 Ball  replied to  JumpDrive @7    last year
Police & Fire departments, public roads, bridges & tunnels, Social Security & Medicare, the military, the postal service, garbage collection, the FBI & CIA, libraries, and a hundred other things are socialism.

those are called social services and public works, just because the word social is used here and there does not make it socialism.

socialism is an economic system that has proven time and again it does not work long term.

meanwhile, capitalism has lifted more people out of poverty than any other economic system on earth.   that probably explains why people from socialists countries want to move to the usa and why not many capitalists are moving to venezuela.

the bottom line is simple... the usa will never become a socialist nation.

 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
7.2.1  TᵢG  replied to  The Magic 8 Ball @7.2    last year
those are called social services and public works, just because the word social is used here and there does not make it socialism.

Correct.

 
 
 
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