Some of the cogitations that this islamic goes through to "disprove" science are a bit much . Science can't be proved to complete certainty . We in the west say "So what ?" to that . But in his religious mind he is making a big deal out of a minor inconvenience . The video cut off before the islamic guy [the one with the microphone] had to "prove" that god exists . They left out the BIG issue ... if the islamics were in the Arabian peninsula they would behead the atheist without any hesitation . Why ? Cuz that's in the quran .
How can you ask for a comment? I have no idea what you posted. I can't open whatever it is. I get the message "The operation timed out" with a tiny frowning face emoticon.
The guy who posted the video is the islamic one . I chose to not use his title for obvious reasons . However I think some of the explanations of the scientific method were OK , if you had the patience to wait for them . I'm guessing you didn't ...
Buzz would probably get something out of that material .
Just think how quickly your life would be over if you ever revealed you were an atheist while in the middle east ! Then the 4 minutes would be a minor inconvenience ...
That file does work to some degree but there is quite a lot of background noise interfering with the 2 in the discussion . The 1st person to speak is the islamic . The guy who replies to him is the atheist . I hope that helps .
Thanks, John, your link DOES work for me. I listened to the whole thing but personally I don't think the atheist was a capable debater on the subject. When the Muslim says that God exists because that's his anchor, I just don't feel the atheist countered to prove that that was conjecture rather than fact. As I see it the whole argument was one of opinion vs fact.
Basically, I thought the Muslim just wanted to make a speech and the atheist didn't put up much resistance.
The existence of God cannot be proven, for one very basic reason. By definition God must be "super"-natural, and exist in whole or in part outside of "nature". But as human beings, all our thinking , measuring , observing, calculating , or whatever, occurs within nature. God may ( or may not) have the power and ability to transcend nature, but we do not. It will forever be a mystery.
The muslim guy just wanted to tear down the atheist's acceptance of science . His points were mostly that even science has no absolutes in it . Since science works on continual empirical evidence his argument means little to anyone who works with science .
Apparently you have nothing to say about the video . I'd like to take this opportunity to point out the destructive attitude of the muslim guy . He wanted to defeat the theory of evolution but instead decided to attack all of science . Is there a need for that level of overkill ? At least Christians restrain their arguments to opposing the theory of evolution ...
Besides the movie "Inherit the Wind" about the Scopes Monkey Trial, the movie "Contact" also deals with the issue of science vs religion. I assume Carl Sagan's novel from which the movie was adapted did as well.
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Some of the cogitations that this islamic goes through to "disprove" science are a bit much . Science can't be proved to complete certainty . We in the west say "So what ?" to that . But in his religious mind he is making a big deal out of a minor inconvenience . The video cut off before the islamic guy [the one with the microphone] had to "prove" that god exists . They left out the BIG issue ... if the islamics were in the Arabian peninsula they would behead the atheist without any hesitation . Why ? Cuz that's in the quran .
How can you ask for a comment? I have no idea what you posted. I can't open whatever it is. I get the message "The operation timed out" with a tiny frowning face emoticon.
That's my comment.
Sorry about that Buzz . Maybe I can post an audio file from the video but I would need to find the software to make the conversion .
Why is this must see ?
It is a run of the mill pseudo intellectual "debate" about something that cannot be proven or disproven , the existence of God and evolution.
It is mildly interesting at best.
Buzz, you aren't missing anything.
SixPic knows how to do it.
The guy who posted the video is the islamic one . I chose to not use his title for obvious reasons . However I think some of the explanations of the scientific method were OK , if you had the patience to wait for them . I'm guessing you didn't ...
Buzz would probably get something out of that material .
Anyone can do it, in a few seconds. Probably not in China though.
I have turned it into an mp3 already. Let me see if I can post it here.
Just think how quickly your life would be over if you ever revealed you were an atheist while in the middle east ! Then the 4 minutes would be a minor inconvenience ...
Too big to post here as an attachment.
That's what six said ... Thanks for trying though .
Buzz, try this link, hopefully it will work for you.
It is surprising how much muslims & atheists have in common in the western environment !
Buzz ,
That file does work to some degree but there is quite a lot of background noise interfering with the 2 in the discussion . The 1st person to speak is the islamic . The guy who replies to him is the atheist . I hope that helps .
Thanks, John, your link DOES work for me. I listened to the whole thing but personally I don't think the atheist was a capable debater on the subject. When the Muslim says that God exists because that's his anchor, I just don't feel the atheist countered to prove that that was conjecture rather than fact. As I see it the whole argument was one of opinion vs fact.
Basically, I thought the Muslim just wanted to make a speech and the atheist didn't put up much resistance.
The existence of God cannot be proven, for one very basic reason. By definition God must be "super"-natural, and exist in whole or in part outside of "nature". But as human beings, all our thinking , measuring , observing, calculating , or whatever, occurs within nature. God may ( or may not) have the power and ability to transcend nature, but we do not. It will forever be a mystery.
You've lost your mind.
I agree with a very intelligent person's take on God:
Buzz ,
The muslim guy just wanted to tear down the atheist's acceptance of science . His points were mostly that even science has no absolutes in it . Since science works on continual empirical evidence his argument means little to anyone who works with science .
Pat ,
Apparently you have nothing to say about the video . I'd like to take this opportunity to point out the destructive attitude of the muslim guy . He wanted to defeat the theory of evolution but instead decided to attack all of science . Is there a need for that level of overkill ? At least Christians restrain their arguments to opposing the theory of evolution ...
Besides the movie "Inherit the Wind" about the Scopes Monkey Trial, the movie "Contact" also deals with the issue of science vs religion. I assume Carl Sagan's novel from which the movie was adapted did as well.