In ‘Impeachment’ Talk, Washington Establishment Declares War on Trump Voters
Democrats were talking about impeaching Donald Trump long before he took office. The media have taken up the refrain in the past several days, insisting that the Washington Post and New York Times “scoops” — neither of which showed Trump doing anything illegal — are grounds for impeachment. Now some Republicans, like Rep. Justin Amash (R-MI), are chiming in.
They are not just attacking Trump, but his voters. And they all may soon regret it.
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Trump voters understand what is going on here. Trump declared he would “drain the swamp”; the swamp is fighting back.
There is no substance to the claims against him. There is no evidence Trump colluded with Russia. There is no evidence he compromised national security in sharing terror intelligence with Russia — as Obama had done. And the idea that he obstructed justice in talking with former FBI director James Comey is demonstrably untrue.
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When Trump claims, as he did on Wednesday, that no politician “has been treated worse or more unfairly,” he is correct.
The media, furious that Trump defied them by winning the election, denied him any semblance of a “honeymoon” in office. And Democrats treated Trump as if he had executed a coup instead of winning an election, dubbing themselves the “Resistance” and obstructing every Trump nominee, every bill, and every policy decision.
President Barack Obama complained about Republican “obstruction,” too. But while their opposition hardened in response to the $862 billion stimulus and Obamacare, the GOP gave Obama a chance to govern.
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They approved most of his Cabinet appointees quickly. They told voters “elections have consequences,” and joined Democrats to confirm his early Supreme Court nominees. They never spoke of impeachment — though he had, arguably, earned it.
Trump has never been given the same chance — or any chance — to carry out his agenda. And for months, Trump voters have watched the media fawning over the hysterical opposition, praising the “pussyhat” protesters and downplaying the extremists in their ranks.
Trump voters have not abandoned him because he has not abandoned them. They are patient: they know what he faces. Their only worry is that he may compromise to save himself.
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It is slowly dawning on Trump that no amount of compromise will ever satisfy his critics.
Democrats have burned every bridge. The NeverTrump faction, shamed into silence by the election results and by Trump’s nomination of Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch, have re-emerged behind the shield of the mainstream media to taunt him. And Politicians who once courted his favor rush to the cameras to condemn him, thinking they are saving themselves.
But Trump’s voters understand this is not an attack on Trump alone. They know what White House adviser Steve Bannon told CPAC in February: “If you think they’re going to give you your country back without a fight, you are sadly mistaken. Every day it is going to be a fight.” And by spoiling for that fight, the Washington establishment is — foolishly — giving frustrated Trump voters a new reason to come to the polls in the 2018 midterm elections.
Democrats seem to have forgotten the lessons of President Bill Clinton’s impeachment, when the country rallied behind the president and Republicans suffered setbacks in the 1998 midterm elections.
Perhaps Democrats think the lessons of history do not apply to them. In an earlier era, where the mainstream media controlled public opinion for the left’s benefit, that might have been a reasonable assumption. But the media, and the country, are different now.
The Washington establishment believes it is entitled to rule. But the only argument for having an elite in the first place is that it will not be swayed by the momentary passions of the mob.
Instead, the establishment has imposed a virtual state of emergency, one that threatens the very institutions the establishment claims to be defending. Case in point: James Comey, for all his protests about the “integrity” of the FBI, continues to use it as a political weapon.
Trump voters did not work hard last fall, against the ridicule of their “betters,” only to see victory snatched away by a radicalized Democratic Party, the contemptuous media, and the sore losers of NeverTrump.
Until now, they might have been tempted to punish Trump’s slow progress on some issues by staying home from the polls. But groundless talk of “impeachment” means that once again, they will be fighting for their country.
Washington, D.C: Beware. http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/05/17/in-impeachment-talk-washington-establishment-declares-war-on-trump-voters/
They are not just attacking Trump, but his voters. And they all may soon regret it.
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Trump voters understand what is going on here. Trump declared he would “drain the swamp”; the swamp is fighting back.
There is no substance to the claims against him. There is no evidence Trump colluded with Russia. There is no evidence he compromised national security in sharing terror intelligence with Russia — as Obama had done. And the idea that he obstructed justice in talking with former FBI director James Comey is demonstrably untrue.
advertisement
When Trump claims, as he did on Wednesday, that no politician “has been treated worse or more unfairly,” he is correct.
The media, furious that Trump defied them by winning the election, denied him any semblance of a “honeymoon” in office. And Democrats treated Trump as if he had executed a coup instead of winning an election, dubbing themselves the “Resistance” and obstructing every Trump nominee, every bill, and every policy decision.
President Barack Obama complained about Republican “obstruction,” too. But while their opposition hardened in response to the $862 billion stimulus and Obamacare, the GOP gave Obama a chance to govern.
advertisement
They approved most of his Cabinet appointees quickly. They told voters “elections have consequences,” and joined Democrats to confirm his early Supreme Court nominees. They never spoke of impeachment — though he had, arguably, earned it.
Trump has never been given the same chance — or any chance — to carry out his agenda. And for months, Trump voters have watched the media fawning over the hysterical opposition, praising the “pussyhat” protesters and downplaying the extremists in their ranks.
Trump voters have not abandoned him because he has not abandoned them. They are patient: they know what he faces. Their only worry is that he may compromise to save himself.
advertisement
It is slowly dawning on Trump that no amount of compromise will ever satisfy his critics.
Democrats have burned every bridge. The NeverTrump faction, shamed into silence by the election results and by Trump’s nomination of Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch, have re-emerged behind the shield of the mainstream media to taunt him. And Politicians who once courted his favor rush to the cameras to condemn him, thinking they are saving themselves.
But Trump’s voters understand this is not an attack on Trump alone. They know what White House adviser Steve Bannon told CPAC in February: “If you think they’re going to give you your country back without a fight, you are sadly mistaken. Every day it is going to be a fight.” And by spoiling for that fight, the Washington establishment is — foolishly — giving frustrated Trump voters a new reason to come to the polls in the 2018 midterm elections.
Democrats seem to have forgotten the lessons of President Bill Clinton’s impeachment, when the country rallied behind the president and Republicans suffered setbacks in the 1998 midterm elections.
Perhaps Democrats think the lessons of history do not apply to them. In an earlier era, where the mainstream media controlled public opinion for the left’s benefit, that might have been a reasonable assumption. But the media, and the country, are different now.
The Washington establishment believes it is entitled to rule. But the only argument for having an elite in the first place is that it will not be swayed by the momentary passions of the mob.
Instead, the establishment has imposed a virtual state of emergency, one that threatens the very institutions the establishment claims to be defending. Case in point: James Comey, for all his protests about the “integrity” of the FBI, continues to use it as a political weapon.
Trump voters did not work hard last fall, against the ridicule of their “betters,” only to see victory snatched away by a radicalized Democratic Party, the contemptuous media, and the sore losers of NeverTrump.
Until now, they might have been tempted to punish Trump’s slow progress on some issues by staying home from the polls. But groundless talk of “impeachment” means that once again, they will be fighting for their country.
Washington, D.C: Beware. http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/05/17/in-impeachment-talk-washington-establishment-declares-war-on-trump-voters/
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In ‘Impeachment’ Talk, Washington Establishment Declares War On Trump Voters
Just as 'Impeachment' talk was a declaration of war against Clinton and Nixon voters. Boo hoo.
Just as 'Impeachment' talk was a declaration of war against Clinton and Nixon voters. Boo hoo.
Not "just" the same . The impeachment of Clinton happened after 8 years in office having almost no effect on his presidency . And Nixon destroyed evidence in the case against him ...
Wrong Petey. Ken Starr went after Clinton from the start about "Whitewater". This is politics as usual.
A single person cannot impeach a president . Clinton was impeached by the House , not by Ken Starr .
Liberals have repudiated democracy. Riots and other violence ate their planks now.
Being an agnostic, I'm hardly a Biblical scholar but a phrase occurs to me, "As ye give, so shall ye receive".
Yep. The liberal "resistance" ensures that this will be repeated if a Democrat is ever elected again. And the left will be responsible for the inability to govern, just like they are responsible for their partisan nuclear option. That's why we need Trump to stack the courts.
In ‘Impeachment’ Talk, The Constitution Declares War On Trump Voters
exactly,
The gutless democrats in action - Democrats seek to quell Trump impeachment talk
Another attempt by the Liberal Left to undermine of form of Government. To impeach someone you must show they have Committed a crime Just because you disagree with someone doesn't mean you have the right to take them out of office.
The liberals think otherwise. For them, different views must be demonized.
Demonized and criminalized. That's the progressive way.
Bill Maher bet a guest on his show last night that Trump will be gone by Christmas. I think it will take a little longer than that , but Trump will be impeached. I think it is a 100% certainty for one simple reason - he can't change, doesn't want to change, and will continue to have these revelations as long as he is president. He creates them.
He'd actually have to do something illegal and egregious enough to motivate republicans. Seems unlikely.
You'd think finding some evidence of illegal action would be a premise to starting impeachment talks.
Saying stupid things is not impeachable, Or claiming ISIS is the JV team would have been the end of Obama.
We've only had one President who came really close to being impeached, Andrew Johnson. I would suggest reading the history of that event, fascinating stuff.
We've only had one President who came really close to being impeached, Andrew Johnson. I would suggest reading the history of that event, fascinating stuff.
Very much so Steve. I would recommend to anyone the account given by President John F. Kennedy in his book Profiles in Courage. Chapter 7 is the part relevant to the present situation. It tells what happened to Senator Edmund G. Ross (R) Kansas. Senator Ross was the deciding vote. His "no" vote was the one that acquitted President Johnson. Not a pretty story for him for the rest of his life.
I read that in junior high. I read this article this morning, I thought it very nteresting.
When Congress Almost Ousted a Failing President
The Democrats lost control of both houses of congress. Republicans are no more likely to impeach Trump over Russia than the Democrats were to impeach Obama over benghazi. In fact, Democrats wanted to elect obama's co-liar, Hillary Clinton, president even though she was knee deep in lying and barely escaped a criminal indictment. All of this impeachment talk is just an empty wagon making a bunch of noise as it goes by.
The hallucinations are getting stronger. Obama was not implicated in any even remotely impeachable activity connected to Benghazi. Clinton was cleared by 7 or 8 congressional committees.
Trump hasn't even gone through one yet.
The hallucinations are getting stronger.
John, the Democrat hallucinations have been very strong ever since last November 8th.
First, ANYTHING can be made into an impeachable offense; all you have to do is get 2/3 of the Senate to agree that it is. It has never really had anything to do with actual crimes, just politics.
Of course, then you come to;
Second, the Democrats' hallucinations and delusions seem to be so strong that they actually feel (not think, feelings have replaced thought in what passes for their minds) that they can find 19 Republican US Senators who are willing to throw away their political careers by voting for impeachment. As long as 34 Republican Senators refuse to vote yes, there will be no impeachment. One thing that is certain, any Republican Senator or Representative who votes in favor of impeachment will never again hold public office of any kind; and they know it, even if you don't.
A few weeks ago the word 'impeachment' wasn't crossing any Republican lips, now a few are mentioning it. With Trump being the rolling disaster that he is as a president, the word will grow in prominence as time goes on. Trump can't help it, he's not going to get any better and he is headed for impeachment. It is more a question of when than if.
That's what I meant by hallucinations and delusions John. You consistently refer to Trump as a disaster and he's not. Missteps won't get him thrown out. Neither will false charges with no evidence to support them, and Clapper has already said that there is no evidence of collusion.
A few weeks ago the word 'impeachment' wasn't crossing any Republican lips, now a few are mentioning it.
Talking is one thing, actually voting for an impeachment is quite another. All of the Republican Senators are well aware that, once they push that vote button, their political careers live or die based on that vote. They also know that within every State with Republican Senators, there are enough hard core Trump voters to primary their asses if they vote yes. Those Trump voters are not going to change their attitude just because some supercilious little pissant of a Left Wing Democrat with a superiority complex tells them that they're too stupid to run their own country. Even the attempt at that will simply confirm that they were right in voting as they did the first time. The Left tried to call them deplorables and ignore them during the 2016 election. That attitude obviously hasn't changed in the slightest; it simply calls for more resistance and spells doom for any Republican Senator who chooses to side with the Left Wingers. For those Senators to vote no on impeachment does not, however, have the handicap in the general election that voting yes would have in the primary. Any voters who hate Trump that much wouldn't vote for a Republican anyway, so most of their seats are safe if they vote no.
Just about everything you said is wrong, but this stands out
Any voters who hate Trump that much wouldn't vote for a Republican anyway,
There are enough Republican senators in states that voted for Clinton to flip the Senate. If they DON'T vote for a justified impeachment they will be out.
Your biggest problem is that you think you are on the side of the majority.
There are enough Republican senators in states that voted for Clinton to flip the Senate. If they DON'T vote for a justified impeachment they will be out.
Yeah yeah yeah and all the democrats in red states could be thrown out if they DO vote for impeachment. Anyway, discussing impeachment is premature. This is like speculating on whether someone will get the death penalty for murder before establishing that anybody is actually dead.
Anyway, discussing impeachment is premature.
You are quite right 1, but the question has come up and deserves an answer.
Any voters who hate Trump that much wouldn't vote for a Republican anyway,
There are enough Republican senators in states that voted for Clinton to flip the Senate. If they DON'T vote for a justified impeachment they will be out.
My basic statement is correct. Those States that voted for Hillary while keeping Republican Senators have a basically Republican viewpoint. Voting for Hillary was the aberration, not electing the Senators. They don't hate Trump that much, at least not enough to make their next Senatorial vote dependent upon a yes vote on impeachment. Also, there may be enough States available to flip the Senate, but flipping it is not what you need. What would be required is to flip it enough to give the Democrats a 2/3 majority (veto proof) and that is almost impossible to achieve under any circumstances. Further, all the Senators know this, so they aren't likely to take it into consideration when voting on something as polarizing as an impeachment. Even in those States, they know that, as long as they hold onto the Trump voters, their jobs are pretty safe. The only time when they could lose their jobs is during a primary, when the Trump voters are at or close to a majority.
Your biggest problem is that you think you are on the side of the majority.
There are two parts to this one. First is the same problem you had with the Electoral College. It's not a majority of the population that you need, it's a majority of the States since each state has only two Senators, regardless of population. You do not have a majority of the States and are not likely to get one since the States with a large number of Trump haters have no Republican Senators anyway. In those States with Republican Senators, the basic sentiment of the voters is Conservative. Voting for Hillary was an aberration in those States, since they have been voting Republican for some time and aren't likely to change because their Senators voted to keep Trump. The Senators in those States aren't too likely to worry about the general election since there aren't enough Trump haters to adversely affect the vote for them. In a primary, however, those who voted for Trump make up a much larger percentage of the primary electorate; enough so the Senator has to worry about someone coming up in his own party who could unseat him if he is perceived as disloyal to his party. Second, and most important, we don't need a majority. All we need is to hold 34% and any impeachment is blocked.
So you see john, your problem is not that I think I'm on the side of the majority, but that you think that you are. The rabid Trump haters aren't even close to a simple majority, far less a 2/3 majority of the States; and they're very unlikely to get to that level.
All it takes is 34 GOP senators from 17 reliably red states to prevent a senate vote for conviction and removal even if 18 senators from blue or purple states voted your way John.
REALLY, WHAT DRUG ARE YOU ONE??? NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN!!
There is no more evidence of Trump committing an impeachable offense than Obama. BTW, those committees never addressed the question of whether the Obama administration (including Hillary) deliberately mislead the American people with lies. Of course proving anything against Hillary is difficult because she ran all her government email through a private server and then deleted 30,000 of them before they could be examined. I think she lied but all the committee established is that she was asleep at the wheel before and during benghazi.
Democrats also said that Comey cleared her in her email scandal but what he actually said is that she's not guilty of violating the espionage act. However, he also found that she was so slipshod that she could have been fired if she were a regular employee.