Tucker Carlson to Triumphant Satanist: Go “Crawl Back Into Your Hole”
Here’s all you need to know about Tucker Carlson‘s interview last night with The Satanic Temple’s Lucien Greaves: It ended with the perpetually angry Carlson saying, “Yeah, whatever. You’re making an non-sensical point and I think you should crawl back into your hole.”
Greaves was on to talk about his group’s new initiative involving Satanic Cakes. He’s urging members to visit bigoted Christian bakers (who have refused to make wedding cakes for gay couples) and ask them to make a cake featuring a straight Satanic couple on top.
This isn’t mere trolling. There’s a very good point being made here.
While some states allow business owners to discriminate against customers on the basis of their sexual orientation, religion is usually a protected class. That means the bakers who can legally refuse to make cakes for same-sex weddings can’t legally say no to a cake for Satanists.
Carlson didn’t address that issue at all. Instead, he said Greaves was just a troll. Greaves responded by asking Carlson to define a “credible” religion, since it’s really in the eye of the beholder. Satanists had affirmative values, Greaves said, and they were expressing their “deeply held beliefs.” (Carlson’s response? “Blah, blah, blah.”)
After Greaves made another good point seconds later, Carlson dismissed it by saying the Satanist must have had an “unhappy childhood.”
Then, there was a wonderful exchange. Carlson, trying to throw the Satanist off his game, questioned the legitimacy of his beliefs: “If this is a real religion, then why not practice it? Why waste all this time bothering other people who are minding their own business?”
It’s a question Carlson and other Fox News hosts would never ask their conservative Christian guests who insist on pushing their beliefs on everybody else.
Greaves saw the pitch coming from a mile away and hit it out of the park:
"Are you saying why don’t we practice it private and in our own churches and in our own homes? Because then I would say I’m completely on board with you, and that’s exactly pretty much the message we’re putting out. You don’t see us going into public forums where there isn’t already religious representation. What we’re doing, is we’re upholding pluralism…"
Having been defeated, Carlson wisely changed the subject. He said that Christians weren’t going to Greaves’ home and forcing him to pray with them… but it’s not like the Satanists are doing that either. They’re going to a public business and asking for the same treatment offered to everyone else.
The fact is The Satanic Temple’s initiative is a fair test of what the law says is acceptable. If religion is a protected class, then a wedding cake request can’t be denied just because the couple is Satanic. Why should we forbid religious discrimination but allow anti-gay bigotry?
Carlson never answered the question. Maybe that’s because he can’t explain why religious discrimination is bad but discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation is okay.
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Why does Satan get such a bad rap? It's not like he ever murdered the planet or anything.
Why does Satan get such a bad rap?
I have often asked the same thing to theists, especially those who give god a free pass for all the atrocities He's committed. What has Satan done that is so bad? Especially compared to what god has done? All I get is the sound of crickets or deflection. I have yet to receive a rational answer.
You would think that a voice telling you to kill your infant would be that of Satan, but no - it was God talking to Abraham. With gods like that, who needs demons?
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Does it matter? It's a horrible, reprehensible thing to do. Satan doesn't have anything on that guy.
No scripture, please - let's use our big boy words. The fact is, it's not possible to list the good things and bad things that imaginary gods and demons do ... because they are imaginary. But we can generalize their imaginary behaviors from the Bible without resorting to ambiguous quotes of ancient goat herders.
Those are "big boy words"?!
Additionally, you have prior acknowledged Atheists have no great insights to substantiate God not existing. So what gives you and your associates liberty to mock religious people who have books and centuries of theology to support their ideas?
Those are "big boy words"?
I could try and dumb them down for you, if need be.
Irrelevant rhetoric. The fact is you mock what you can not or try not to understand. Then, you take out your bias bat and start swinging it around wildly!
I'm not swinging wildly, I'm batting 1,000. Unfortunately I have to put comments wherever the site will let me, instead of where they belong.
(I am having see-saw posting issues again.)
I wrote something earlier that did not post in favor of this article's point of view. I will see if I can recollect it. (Yes, I got caught by the "no-comment" bug!)
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Tucker Carlson is either having a first encounter with Satanist Lucien or he is being a deliberate "dick." I am compelled to recognize Carlson in these terms because he or his staff was informed about the particulars of this interview before the Satanist appeared on air. Thus, Mr. Carson would have had sufficient time to 'square' his professionalism with meeting an opponent. (Actually, during this meeting Lucien showed less rancor.)
Name-calling Lucien a troll within a matter of minutes sets the interview up for failure and the viewing audience up for rhetorical high-jinks.
We should listen to inform ourselves of both sides of the debate in order to pass a proper judgement of what is proper to be in agreement and disagreement to.
Tucker is clearly vested in the conservative ideas he holds to. Thus, he appears agitated that Lucien is simply asking for a proper consideration of other points of views offensive to some people as say Larry Flynt Productions, yet valid arguments worthy of consideration, value, and exchange in discussion.
I'd say giving us knowledge so we don't remain ignorant Stone Age garden pets is a good thing.
"The Lord has made everything for his own reasons, even the wicked for the evil day." (Proverbs 16:4)
God sure sounds like a douche, and not worthy of worship.
The notion of an omnipotent and omniscient god negates the possibility of free will. It is logically incompatible.
That doesn't change the simple fact free will cannot exist if god is all-knowing. I'll take actual logic and reasoning over scripture and mere belief.
Hopefully this bug does last too long)
I assume you meant to say that it does not last too long. But yes, it is rather annoying. At least we can agree on that.
I highly suggest we start demonstrating our free-will to take this discussion out of an Atheist comfort zone.
If the biblical state of 'gnashing of teeth' begins and premature 'moments' of extended silence occur well, I will understand.
Hopefully the site will be up to par tomorrow, because I'm done with the aggravation of losing my comments into the unknown blogosphere. I have plenty to respond with, but it's just not working today.
I recognize your frustration. The issue is a major distraction and concentration breaker. My solution write in MS Word and then copy-paste. It is tedious, but satisfying when the upload works! Peace.
That is correct. Emphatically.
That's just it. If the outcome is already known in advance, there is no choice or free will. Events are already in motion or circumstances in place which will lead to the known or expected choice and outcome. There can be no deviation. Unless god is wrong in his omniscience.
That only means the idea of "choice" or free will is an illusion to us. It doesn't change the fact that no matter what, we are incapable of making the alternative choice, even if we ponder it.
I am an Agnostic-Deist, so I hope you don't confuse my support for Christianity as bias.
Your religious affiliation doesn't really have a bearing on the logics of this particular point.
The notion of an omnipotent and omniscient god negates the possibility of free will. It is logically incompatible.
No it's not. You experience free will every moment of your life.
Not really. If my choices are already known, I cannot change the choice made. So free will is only an illusion.
You experience free will every moment of your life.
That's what makes it such a useless term. It's about as useful as describing water as wet.
Just because G-d can see the outcome of choices does not negate you were free to make your own choices.
Does that mean that God just grabbed some popcorn and sat back and watched the carnage in Las Vegas last night?
Tell me about that time that you did not experience free will.
We can only experience free will. We cannot experience not having free will.
I am an Agnostic-Deist, so I hope you don't confuse my support for Christianity as bias.
I've never met a Deist who quotes scripture. That seems very not Deist.
That's just it, if there is an omniscient, omnipotent god, then I don't have free will. Everything I do is already predetermined for me in advance. From the individual perspective, it might seem like there is free will. But that is the illusion. My "choices" are already known and laid out in advance.
He had a lousy publicist!
Tucker Carlson is a passive aggressive weenie. The satanist owned him.