Blacks vs. Police
Let's throw out a few numbers so we can put in perspective the NFL players taking a knee during the playing of the national anthem. Many say they are protesting against police treatment of blacks and racial discrimination. We might ask just how much sense their protest makes.
According to The Washington Post , 737 people have been shot and killed by police this year in the United States. Of that number, there were 329 whites, 165 blacks, 112 Hispanics, 24 members of other races and 107 people whose race was unknown. In Illinois, home to one of our most dangerous cities -- Chicago -- 18 people have been shot and killed by police this year. In the city itself, police have shot and killed ten people and shot and wounded ten others. Somebody should ask the kneeling black NFL players why they are protesting this kind of killing in the Windy City and ignoring other sources of black death.
Here are the Chicago numbers for the ignored deaths. So far in 2017, there have been 533 murders and 2,880 shootings. On average, a person is shot every two hours and 17 minutes and murdered every 12 1/2 hours. In 2016, when Colin Kaepernick started taking a knee, Chicago witnessed 806 murders and 4,379 shootings. It turns out that most of the murder victims are black. Adding to the tragedy is the fact that Chicago has a 12.7 percent murder clearance rate. That means that when a black person is murdered, his perpetrator is found and charged with his murder less than 13 percent of the time.
Similar statistics regarding police killing blacks versus blacks killing blacks apply to many of our predominantly black urban centers, such as Philadelphia, Baltimore, New Orleans, St. Louis and Oakland. Many Americans, including me, see the black NFL player protest of police brutality as pathetic, useless showboating. Seeing as these players have made no open protest against the thousands of blacks being murdered and maimed by blacks, they must view it as trivial in comparison with the police killings. Most of the police killings fit into the category of justified homicide.
NFL players are not by themselves. How much condemnation do black politicians, civil rights leaders, and liberal whites give to the wanton black homicides in our cities? When have you heard them condemning the very low clearance rate, whereby most black murderers get away with murder? Do you believe they would be just as silent if it were the Ku Klux Klan committing the murders?
What's to blame for this mayhem? If you ask an intellectual, a leftist or an academic in a sociology or psychology department, he will tell you that it is caused by poverty, discrimination and a lack of opportunities. But the black murder rate and other crime statistics in the 1940s and '50s were not nearly so high as they are now. I wonder whether your intellectual, leftist or academic would explain that we had less black poverty, less racial discrimination and far greater opportunities for blacks during earlier periods than we do today. He'd have to be an unrepentant idiot to make such an utterance.
So what can be done? Black people need to find new heroes. Right now, at least in terms of the support given, their heroes are criminals such as Baltimore's Freddie Gray, Ferguson's Michael Brown and Florida's Trayvon Martin. Black support tends to go toward the criminals in the community rather than to the overwhelming number of people in the community who are law-abiding. That needs to end. What also needs to end is the lack of respect for and cooperation with police officers. Some police are crooked, but black people are likelier to be victims of violent confrontations with police officers than whites simply because blacks commit more violent crimes than whites per capita.
For a race of people, these crime statistics are by no means flattering, but if something good is to be done about it, we cannot fall prey to the blame games that black politicians, black NFL players, civil rights leaders and white liberals want to play. If their vision is accepted, we can expect little improvement of the status quo.
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Once again we have a "conservative" article that fails to see the simplest of facts.
Protests of police brutality, and black on black crime rates, are two separate issues.
There is no such things as , iif you protest one you have to protest the other at the same time or in the same way or else all your protests are invalid.
When anti-abortion protesters demonstrate, why don't they also protest against child poverty at the same time?
Protests of police brutality, and black on black crime rates, are two separate issues.
NOPE !
Not One Bit DIFFERENT !
So who decides what decides which is more Brutal ?
Is it more Brutal for a Black to be killed by one in a uniform, than killed by a Black on the street ?
If you say yes, you are just brushing Black issues under the rug, so you can be a likeable PC're !
All you do is demonstrate that I am correct.
All you do is demonstrate that I am correct.
Narcissism is not a good trait to put out there.
Answer the simple Fucking question:
Is it more Brutal for a Black to be killed by one in a uniform, than killed by a Black on the street ?
Why don't anti-abortion protesters also protest against child sexual abuse at the same time?
That is how much sense you make.
oh god you are really far gone. You don't understand the difference between crime and expecting a law enforcement officer not to violate your rights in the most fundamental way?
I don't understand ???????????
Now that's funny, funny, lmao, lmfao as a comment.
Are the Liberals Not out their saying that Police Shooting Blacks IS A FUCKING CRIME ?
If that is a Crime, and Blacks shooting Blacks is a Crime, Please do elaborate on how you came up with YOUR comment.
Love the Goal Post Change when a Liberal type WON'T answer a simple question that might show their true colors.
I have yet to see anything in this forum that you understand. I say this without hyperbole. You remind me of some people I have known in the past -Comment removed for skirting the CoC [ph]
You remind me of some people I have known in the past - the kind of people that everyone in the room says "thank god" when he leaves.
So I make you uncomfortable ?
GOOD !
Is it more Brutal for a Black to be killed by one in a uniform, than killed by a Black on the street ?
So I make you uncomfortable ?
Not so much that, it's just that you can tell when people are embarrassed for someone. I suppose that if you were toting around your arsenal it might make me uncomfortable, as your demeanor is questionable for owning a firearm.
"I suppose that if you were toting around your arsenal."
I never carry.
Now what's your excuse for avoiding the same question:
Is it more Brutal for a Black to be killed by one in a uniform, than killed by a Black on the street ?
he comes rooting tooting into threads and gives me a bunch of shit.
Same old nothing from you !
Maybe you have some gutz !
Is it more Brutal for a Black to be killed by one in a uniform, than killed by a Black on the street ?
It's a stupid question. Comment removed for CoC violation [ph]
Naturally, black on black crime doesn't really serve that purpose very well and in fact highlights a cultural deficiency that is not allowed to be discussed in certain circles.
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It's a stupid question.
If it's soooo Stupid....it should be easy to answer then.
Okay, everyone knock it off. Discuss the issue, and stop making it personal.
citizen to be killed by someone in uniform than killed by anyone on the street PERIOD
The Brightly Marked Uniform side shows up when called by Others, for a reason. They don't HIDE who they are or why they are their. The Uniformed side is very vocal.
The Other side shows up for Others Under cover, not sure why. They DO hide who they are and why they are there. POP ! Your Dead.
Which is more brutal again ?
Which is more brutal again ?
Still going with the uniform guy.....because you see the uniform guy is the one who is supposed to be protecting and serving, that's the one who you expect to uphold the law and be professional, that's the one you are inherently supposed to feel SAFE from because they are wearing that uniform...so it because extremely brutal when a uniform kills a unarmed citizen
as for my fellow man, I don't trust him as far as I can throw them...I expect to be attack by my fellow citizen, that's why I carry a gun
Mr. Fish.....it is a good article. I never really understood the Anthem protest. I know what they said, but it just didn't make sense to me. Black on black crime in the big cities, I can better understand. Gangs, drugs, job opportunities, family breakdowns poverty, etc. If I was a young minority in a big city, I would try to find a way out. On the other hand, why don't whites who live the same life as the minority in the big cities have the same amount of white on white crime. Wonder why.
Let's talk numbers.
From the Census:
Whites-76.9%
Blacks-13.3%
Hispanic-17.8%
From the 737 shootings, by percentage.
Whites- 45%
Blacks- 22%
Hispanics- 15%
See anything interesting?
Blacks/African Americans were disproportionately shot in comparison to the other two races. Before you scream about how blacks commit more crimes, remember there is an abundance of documentation that they're targeted disproportionately by law enforcement.
And, I wonder why that is? It wouldn't have anything to do with attitude, not obeying directives given by police officers, carrying a weapon......now, would it?
I don't know about you, but I taught my two sons.....if you are stopped by the police you will do exactly what he says and you leave your damn attitude in the car. You will humble yourself out and have your little temper tantrum when you are in your room.
Tessylo addressed my main rebuttal of African American men still being shot despite obeying directives (thanks for that, Tessylo).
Have you heard of Tamir Rice? The police didn't give that 12 year-old a chance to obey their directives before they gunned him down. Yet they took James Holmes and Dylann Roof, two white mass murderers, alive.
There are many instances of these folks obeying directives and not carrying a weapon and still being shot dead just the same.
Here is some data I provided you in another article last week. Let's take a look, shall we?
From the WP link and database, I have said that for 2015 there were 259 Blacks killed by cops. Of those, they break down the data like this:
Weapon
I can think of 7
John Crawford - Shopping at Walmart, didn't get a chance to follow directives
Dontre Hamilton - Was confirmed by police not to be doing anything illegal but when refused to frisk was shot
Akai Gurley - Walking down a flight of stairs
Rumain Brisbon - Was shot after a cop mistook his pill bottle for a weapon(?) after being told to show what he had in his pocket
Christopher Roupe - Opened his front door with a Nintendo Wii Controller in his hands, shot point blank in chest (I still get disgusted off this one)
Eric Harris - Was complying with police officers when he was shot in the back
Andrea Hall - Was a hostage and shot by police sniper!
being shot despite obeying directives (thanks for that, Tessylo).Have you heard of Tamir Rice? The police didn't give that 12 year-old a chance to obey their directives before they gunned him down.
Not to mention John Crawford III
I call it an execution ... as a mother my heart broke, as the mother of a black son my blood boiled, Tamir was gunned down in cold blood by an officer unfit to wear the uniform!
Better hush up before I rant...
Bruce, for one thing, without even doing any calculations , I can see that the percentage of blacks who were killed and were unarmed is higher than the percentage of whites that were killed and unarmed. Let's see the %
whites 32 out of 497 = .064
blacks 38 out of 259 = .146
Unarmed blacks were killed at appx. twice the rate of unarmed whites.
There are factors that may contribute to this disparity, but there is a clear disparity.
You are correct, there is a clear disparity.
Do you think this may be a factor?
When 13% of the population is responsible for 43% of Police murders, I'd say that may be a factor.
We have to agree to disagree on this subject Hippocrates .. the officer that shot Tamir was unfit to wear the uniform.
I feel more sorry for the person who called the police. That person thought the BB Gun was a real gun and did the responsible thing, they called the police. Now they have to live with the knowledge that their police call led to the death of a child.
The gentleman that call 911 told dispatch he thought it was a fake gun - story goes that that was never conveyed to the responding officer(s) (whatever) .. it has been a while, yet I do not think it was even a BB gun was it 'just a toy'.
[I got the chance to look it up .. Tamir had an airsoft gun]
As for Tamir's mother I cannot comment to that .. my house sucked because toy guns were not allowed! We have real guns, why would I ever want my sons to think a gun was a toy? My youngest is 17 .. hunts, shoots trap and skeet .. got his first shotgun for Christmas at 9!
Those that think a gun is an appropriate toy for children are whacked! 
just my opinion.
Once again thanks for the response..
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The whole innocent blacks are getting gunned down by the police is essentially a sensationalist media driven narrative disconnected from actual reality. The objective data from independent studies is clear, unarmed blacks are actually less likely to be shot and killed by police officers than unarmed whites. When people talk about "fake news" there is no clearer example than this whole narrative, which got its start in the Ferguson debacle, possibly the biggest fake news story of all time.
Tragedies absolutely happen. How could they not with hundreds of thousands of human involved in millions contacts a year with civilians, many of them in incredibly stressful situations? Maybe racism is involved in some of them, maybe the officer was simply not cut out for police duty in some too. But the idea that innocent blacks are particularly preyed upon or even at heightened risk from bloodthirsty racist officers is simply a myth and completely unsupported by reality.
But focusing on imaginary, predatory cops is very popular with the the left wing and it's much easier politically than focusing on real problems that face the black community. Democrats can the powers that be in the black community can excite the faithful by rallying against imaginary problems, looking at the real ones might cause some hard choices to be made.
I am confused.. HoC did you write that or did a mod? There are no initials.
Good for you and them. To each their own, I chose not to let my sons play with toy guns - if that is being self righteous so be it.
Did you have an opinion regarding the subject matter in the article?
The guy that was using a gun to shop and put items in his shopping cart? Seriously?
What?! You really need to research before you make a comment about something you obviously have no clue about! John Crawford was the man shopping in Walmart when he picked up a Airsoft rifle that he was going to buy and was shot by police less than 3 seconds upon their arrival, all because someone called 911 and blatantly lied about what he was doing with the toy gun there was even video tape of Crawford in the store which confirms it....and the ironic part is even if the gun was real he was legally allowed to carry it around in an open carry state!
Good morning..
Agreed, even when things from the far away past pop into my head - sleep is limited .. I am sure you are correct in your thoughts that sleep is difficult for those 2 individuals.
Thank you for the discussion, always nice to express ones self without having to feel defensive .. much appreciated!
I didn't know 'having an attitude' was a justifiable reason for being shot dead.
I believe it's somewhere in the KKK's operations manual.
Where was Tamir's mother? Clearly she was not making sure her son wasn't brandishing a 'gun' in a public park. Proper parenting, personal responsibility and some common sense would have saved Tamir's life. This tragic result is something she will have to live with for the rest of her life.
That's it. Always find a way to blame someone other than the murderer if the victim happens to be black and the killer a white cop. Removed, CoC (BT)
The guy that was using a gun to shop and put items in his shopping cart? Seriously?
Oh, my f**king god....you can't seriously Removed CoC (BT) so we have to assume you created that false story with the purpose of again making a black victim guilty of his own murder. He had one of the store's toy guns in his hands. Removed CoC (BT)
First off you link backs up most of my claim! Black commit 35-37% of all crimes and like you said are only 13% of the population what that means they commit 3 times more crimes than their per capita thereby leading credence to what I said about blacks interacting with cops 3 times more than whites. You then claim that blacks are responsible for 43% of police murders so if you got that piece of information from somewhere (not the FBI table) then you do realize whites commit 54% of police murders. So let’s break it down blacks who interact MORE with police officers are still LESS likely (43%) to kill a police officer than a white person who is MORE likely (54%). So going by this statistic shouldn’t a police officer be more fearful of the demographic who statistically has a higher chance of killing him/her?
Now let’s get to the 2-3 times comment. Using your link whites commit 2/3 of all crimes in the US total so total police interaction is with white people, whites a 5 times more than blacks but yet are only killed at double the rate of interaction instead of 5 times if it was true that whites are killed more than blacks, so then per capita blacks are killed 2-3 times more than whites because statistically the numbers for whites should be much higher or blacks much lower if you want to go by your claim……hope that helps!
Looks like a clean shooting to me.
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I did do the research and saw video of him waving the gun in an aisle of a shopping center. The fact that it was an airsoft gun doesn't change anything. At 10 meters, can you tell the difference between a real gun and a fake gun? Before he was shot he was frantically running instead of getting on the ground or surrendering.
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I guess we can never overestimate how far white racists
Isn't that cute, how far the Liberal types will go to "Splash" that word all over the place, as much as they can.
No wonder that word doesn't mean much anymore, unbeknownst to Liberals that is.
I was wrong about him using the gun to knock items in a cart, I was working off memory when I posted that. It appears he was only using it to poke items on the shelf. It's still no excuse for you to call me ignorant, racist or a liar.
You, not anyone else, name yourself. You've now admitted to getting one big item wrong and replace it with yet another. What is this new line of him "poking" at things on the shelf? That video doesn't allow for any such thing. We can't really see any such detail but you've decided to invent it. Just keep digging yourself in and I won't have to comment at all anymore.
No wonder that word doesn't mean much anymore, unbeknownst to Liberals that is.
So, you think being racist is "cute," eh? I don't even have to comment further on that one.
So, you think being racist is "cute," eh?
Typical response from the own that "THROWS" a word around like trash put in a landfill.
I have finished removing the off topic and violations on this thread. The next person that refers to another member of NT, directly or indirectly as a racist, white supremacists, member of the KKK, etc. will get a two day suspension. Read the article and discuss the topic and not each other.
I did do the research and saw video of him waving the gun in an aisle of a shopping center. The fact that it was an airsoft gun doesn't change anything. At 10 meters, can you tell the difference between a real gun and a fake gun? Before he was shot he was frantically running instead of getting on the ground or surrendering.
I highly doubt you saw the video because you initially made the false assumption that he had a shopping cart, second the video doesn't show him waving the gun anywhere as a matter of fact every part of the video shows him having the toy pointed up in the air the entire time
Before he was shot he was frantically running instead of getting on the ground or surrendering.
Are you serious?! The video clearly shows the reason he was running frantically is because the police was shooting at him! The admitted that they started shooting within 2 seconds of seeing him! The video can clearly show that one group of officers started shooting at him at one point he dropped the toy and ran to the other aisle in which the other group started shooting so he ran back where they finished him off!
Wrong. Open carry is not the same thing as foolishly brandishing.
First off it was a freaking toy....I highly doubt Mr. Crawford was thinking about gun safety when he picked up this TOY and as for foolishly brandishing like I said before the video clearly shows that at no point was the muzzle point in any other direction except up....even when the police confronted him for those 2 seconds!
Open carry doesn't mean you can use a gun to shop.
Says who?! In an open carry state I can walk, run, use the toilet and as long as the business allows SHOP using my gun!
You apparently know nothing about gun ownership or responsible gun ownership.
Says the person who says you cant open carry to shop in an open carry state! Comedy!
Looks like a clean shooting to me.
You would.....you do realize the only reason they called it justified is because the asshat who called 911 and blatantly lied, so they stated the police came in with incorrect information so shouldn't be held responsible.....nothing about Crawford not complying or being threatening in any way.
I stick by my statement and people saw it.
Sorry if my memory isn't perfect.
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It was your fucking word. Live with it.
It was still a clean shooting and race played ZERO part in it.
Yeah, except to the 911 caller who flat out lied to get this man executed by the police....but just because it was a clean shoot doesn't mean the victim did anything wrong to get himself killed as you claim
I'd like to see the numbers. There's another commenting here that claims that whites have more interactions with cops, by a number of 3-1. Candidly, I'd like to see that unsubstantiated fact as well.
Candidly, I'd like to see that unsubstantiated fact as well.
It has dropped since the last FBI report but it more like 2.6 to 1...but it still backs up my enough to prove my point!
Total arrests 2015 - 8,248,709
Arrests white - 5,753,212
Arrests black - 2,197,140
Oh! let me guess....per capita?
Oh! let me guess....per capita?
Oh, yes and we all "know" that the criminal justice system is totally, TOTALLY color-blind.
The Anthem protest continues to be a silly distraction. What are these millionaires doing with their millions? Once the cameras stop rolling, what are they doing to help their fellow man? For a league known for drug use, steroid use, criminal activity, rape, wife beating, dog fighting......they are protesting injustice-but what do they actually do? A couple of them do good works, but all of them?
Careful Spikegary - you do not want to get caught up in the racist drama like the President did by saying 'fire them' (not a direct quote) ... by using them or they it appears that one is only addressing blacks - even though whites have been taking a knee as well.
Emotions are running high and overriding logic.
Just my observations ...
Or plain exaggerating things because he has a cause, like Mr. Michael Bennett. Seems he was not singled out because he was black.
A couple of them do good works, but all of them?
The ones that don't are the ones wrapped up in drug use, steroid use, criminal activity, rape, wife beating, dog fighting.
I am fairly sure that every star player in the NFL donates money and time to charity. Many of them have their own charities and foundations.
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