Trump threatens to cut aid to countries who oppose US Jerusalem move in UN vote
Trump threatens to cut aid to countries who oppose US Jerusalem move in UN vote
Echoing earlier statements by US ambassador to the UN Nikki Haley, President Donald Trump threatened to slash aid to nations that vote in the UN against the US’ decision to recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital.
By: World Israel News Staff, December 20 2017
As the Palestinians and their allies attempt to marshal opposition at the United Nations (UN) to the announcement that the US recognizes Jerusalem as Israel’s capital and will move its embassy there, President Donald Trump issued a stern warning regarding foreign aid.
“For all of these nations that take our money and then they vote against us at the Security Council or they vote against us, potentially, at the Assembly, they take hundreds of millions of dollars and even billions of dollars and then they vote against us,” Trump began, speaking on Wednesday at a Cabinet meeting.
“Well, we’re watching those votes,” Trump warned. “Let them vote against us. We’ll save a lot. We don’t care. But this isn’t like it used to be where they could vote against you and then you pay them hundreds of millions of dollars and nobody knows what they’re doing.”
President Trump’s message mirrored comments made a day earlier by US ambassador to the UN Nikki Haley, who communicated to fellow UN ambassadors that Trump is watching the vote closely .
“The US will be taking names,” Haley declared.
“At the UN we’re always asked to do more and give more. So, when we make a decision, at the will of the American people, about where to locate OUR embassy, we don’t expect those we’ve helped to target us,” Haley tweeted.
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In a letter shared with Bloomberg News , Haley advised several countries, including allies of the US, that the president “requested I report back on those countries who voted against us. We will take note of each and every vote on this issue.”
The diplomats claimed that Haley’s letter would have minimal impact on their vote.
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Can you imagine how much money the US would save and be able to use to upgrade American infrastructure and other public benefits if Trump has the balls to carry out his threat? Of course the State Department pussies would freak out if he did, but he has shown already that he has the guts to carry out what America promised to do and continued to promise to do for more than 20 years by presidents who DIDN'T have the courage to do, so what the hell, let's see it happen. It will be a big benefit to the American people.
Or possibly how much it would cost us in the long run. The $49 billion (just 1.3% of the federal budget) we spend on foreign aid isn't just hand outs to greedy foreign countries.
"National security concerns have continued to drive U.S. assistance policy, aiming to provide stability in conflicted regions, bolster allies, promote democracy, or contribute to counterterrorism and law enforcement efforts abroad."
" Long-term development aid (38 percent) provides ongoing funding for projects to promote broad-based economic growth and general prosperity in the world’s poorest countries."
" Military and security aid (35 percent) primarily goes toward helping allies purchase U.S. military equipment, training foreign military personnel, and funding peacekeeping missions."
" Humanitarian aid (16 percent) is spent to alleviate short-term humanitarian crises, such as those resulting from famine, earthquakes, war, failed states, or other natural or man-made disasters."
" Political aid (11 percent) is intended to support political stability, free market economic reforms, and democratic institutions. Programs include governance and justice system reforms, backing for human rights organizations, and support for peace talks and treaty implementation."
It's irresponsible and frankly dangerous to pull back US foreign aid, we all must recognize that being a part of the global community allows us a seat at the table to make sure the world is safer for all of us to navigate and be a part of. Tucking our tail beneath our legs and retreating, hiding behind a wall like some protectionist ideal is simply not possible in todays global economy. Sadly we have an irresponsible and idiotic leader now running our country so I'm sure he's willing to do something as stupid as that, but real Americans can and will step up and defy this ignorant administration if he does just like nearly all the businesses and cities continue to meet the expectations of the Paris climate accords without the numbskull in the white house.
And you also miss possibly the biggest expense out of all of this.......Israel itself! You know Bibi will be coming up with cup in hand asking for MORE aid once this vote goes through claiming helplessness!
Trump pretty much hit it on the mark. What Israel gets is miniscule, if you want to add up ALL the Money going to ALL the countries that want to vote against what even Obama and Bush thought.
What's a few billion anyway these days......right ?
@ Willjay9
Sure wish I could predict stuff like that as well as you. Since you're so capable of telling the future, please tell me who's going to win the next World Series.
The $49 billion in foreign aid does include the $38 billion over ten years in military aid given to Israel. Because some idiots in the government are self-fulfilling prophecy Christians who believe their hoped for Armageddon can't come without Israel in place. It's rather disgusting.
Oh nooooooo....
We're sending money to an island surrounded by nutty assholes.
Can you guess who the nutty assholes are ?
Hint.......It's NOT Christian thinking places.
Isn't it great that I didn't go and offend Liberals by using the name of the Real Problem surrounding this Island ?
I figured I'd be sensitive to "FEELINGS" this time.
Miniscule?! Except for Afghanistan Israel is the biggest recipient of economic and military aid from the US!
It STILL wouldn't add up to what Israel is receiving! Funny how all of you seem to forget that US foreign aid is also given to further US interests! Or do you think that these countries would allow US influence inside their borders once the aid suddenly dries up because of a non binding vote?
What kind of math is that? Isn't the $49b annual, while the $38b is for a 10 year period. Does what you said make sense?
Yes ....miniscule in the overall scheme of Deficit spending in this country. What Trump threatened, if they don't comply....will save us more than billions, even if we keep sending the island of Israel money. Money WELL SPENT !
Oh....by the way....I know what deficit spending is.....in case you want to throw that bullshit up again.
"Funny how all of you seem to forget that US foreign aid is also given to further US interests!"
But liberals don't want us to be the worlds police.....so I heard.
Let’s see right after the Nuclear deal was signed Israel requested a 50% increase in foreign aid. The US has already agreed to increase military aid to Israel back in May, and back in 2002 they requested DOUBLE the foreign aid in response to 9/11.
So in other words you don’t have to be a fortune teller…..but if a crackhead walks down the street where crack dealers on the street stand, there’s a better than average chance he’s going to buy some crack!
And what the hell does that got to do with us? Israel's a sovereign NUCLEAR power! Why would a man with a gun have to fear men with sticks? And why do we have to help them?
Since you don't know hell.....as Israel is in the middle of hell....and since you like to throw up that "U.S. Interests" when it suites you.....our "Military Base" in the middle of nuttery, is worth funding.
DUH ! 
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And here I thought this article was about Israel.
Who knew it was supposed to deflect somewhere else.
Yes ....miniscule in the overall scheme of Deficit spending in this country .
NOW, you care about deficit spending?!
Oh! rightwing hypocrisy is a killer!!!!
Oh! I'm glad you brought that up! Because do you actually think that we could also cut aid from say Egypt, Gaza, or Afghanistan as well?! If it's in US interest to keep funding Israel because of our military base.....but yet you are full bore for giving aids to areas like these when US interest are just as important if not MORE important than Israel!
Sounds like the one throwing up US interests when it suits is YOU!....oops!
I was replying to your comment claiming Christians apparently aren't nutty assholes at times. Claiming all Arab nations are nutty assholes is a ridiculous statement. I'm sure if Texas was under Iranian occupation there would be many local attacks on the occupiers which I wouldn't consider nutty at all.
3.8 billion a year is nearly 10% of the foreign aid budget, all to one nation that doesn't even really need our aid. That money we give them empowers them to continue illegally occupying Palestinian territory and violating international treaties. They need to resolve their border dispute and come to the table accepting a two State solution where the people they are effectively mass incarcerating in the Gaza strip can achieve some semblance of self governance. As long as we keep supporting them no matter what they do they will never come to the table, they will continue to build settlements and destroy Palestinian homes and lives. Are the Palestinians free of guilt? Of course not, they have to be held to the same peace standards and those who continue violence should be punished, but the current status just generates more and more people who feel insurgent violence is their only option.
Aha. I see from that statement where you're coming from. I didn't bother reading your comment any farther than that since I can see that you are not aware of the series of mandates, treaties, laws of conquest applying to a defensive war, that historically and legally authorize Israel to in fact ANNEX the lands they have conquered, but would rather recite the Palestinian propaganda.
Do we have a base in Israel?
Reportedly a base per se, no.
We maintain the worlds tallest radar tower in Southern Israel and have six or seven pre positioned storage facilities.
There are always US troops moving in and out of these facilities.
Which war would that be ?
WWII when the Japs attacked Pearl Harbor "in self defense"?
or the Six Day War in which Israel attacked first "in self defense"?
Judging by the volumes of UN sanctions and Resolutions against Israel one can assume that most of the world sees them as the aggressors.
thanks, I didn't think we had our own base there
Legal only to themselves. I can tell you're an apologist for their brutal actions and consider the Palestinians the only law breakers. As my comment made clear, both are at fault for the violence and the more we aid Israel the more emboldened they are to continue writing their own laws legalizing their abuse and theft of neighboring territory. If you've actually read the history of this region you would know that the Palestinians have certainly gotten the short end of the stick there especially after Persia having occupied the region for nearly 2,000 years. The repatriation of Israel in 1948 based on some ridiculous ancient biblical claim that their God had promised it to them should have been criminal but was backed by the British and other majority Christian nations in their effort to self fulfill the prophecies in Revelation.
They are when threatened.
And, they have been threatened for eternity.
I hope your not serious.
Moses himself brought the Hebrews out of Israel to Caanan
Caanan was the area now the area comprised of Israel, the West Bank, all of Lebanon, Syria and parts of Jordan.
They took Caanan by force @ 1400 BCE
They repeatedly lost it to the Assyrians, and countless other Semitic speaking tribes.
The last "Kingdom of Israel" lasted from 110 BCE to 63BCE, a mere 47 years
But because of the Bible and a need to settle some scores after WWII while 'fixing the Jewish refugee problem"
Britain and the UN created this new nation out of modern British Palestine
almost 2000 years later......
I have a feeling that "eternity" isn't a legally binding real estate term.
I assume you have never been to Israel.
That's a bit misleading. Actually the first thing they did (1946) was give well over 2/3 of Palestine to the Arabs!
The remaining smaller portion-- less than 1/3 of Palestine-- was to be divided into 2 new countries-- Israel, and an Arab country to be called "Palestine".
(One tiny coutry of Israel was created-- but that new country to be called "Palestine" never came into being-- but of course most people here have no idea why that happened).
Nope.
Actually the British gave 2/3 of Palestine to the Arabs-- which they now rule as an independent country.
I do agree that the "Palestinians" living in that smaller portion did get screwed-- but it wasn't by Israel!!! (The reason that that smaller part didn't become an independent country as it was supposed to in 1948 because it was attacked and illegally occupied by two other countries-- which didn't want another independent Arab country ("Palestine") to be created there.
Neither side accepted the original plan
It essentially created three Arab and three Jewish zones
FWIW, the base was set up during the Obama administration (way before Trump was elected).
Because of some idiots in the government are self-fulfilling prophesy Christains? Are you referring, by any chance, to President Obama? Because he supported that aid to Israel long before Trump was elected! (certainly you don't really believe Obama was some sort of Christian extremist..or do you?)
He was another in a long line of Presidents to continue the tradition, but no, I was referring to those who initially repatriated the displaced Israelite's from Europe after WWII instead of just giving them back their land and property that was stolen from them in Europe where they had been born and their families had lived for centuries.
That's a common misconception.
If we stopped giving them all that military aid-- do you seriously believe it would change their policies?
BTW, Obama made that mistake with Egypt. Previouisly Egypt got their military hardware from the U.S. But Obama didn't like their new government, so he threatened to cut off military aid to Egypt. IIRC, just one shipment of 4 aircraft was actually stopped. But guess what happened? After Obama said he would cut off military aid to Egyp[t-- they didn't care! They said they would just get their weapons from Russia. And they started to. (And they didn't do what Obama was pressuring them to do anyway).
(cont'd from my comment # 1.3.1.3)
So Obama finally relented and resumed the military aid to Egypt....
If the U.S. stopped or greatly decreased military aid to Israel, they would not be forced to change any policies-- rather, they would ust get weapons elsewhere. (I remember a long time ago reading about air battles in an Arab Israeli war. Israel's aircraft were all all Mirage and Mystere--- who do you think supplied those?
Actually what happened was that the Israelites who had fled to Europe wanted to go back to their ancestral homeland. (BTW. I believe it was the British who offered them a new place in Africa-- I believe it was Uganda? But they felt a pull to their native lands).
But the bulk of British Palestine was given to the Arabs in 1946.
Then in 1948 the remaining smaller portion was supposed to be divided to become a new country called "palestine" and another was to give the Jews back their ancestral homeland.
But the "Palestinians" never got theiors-- because Arab countries conquered what was supposed to become "Palestine"-- and illgally occupied it,thus preventing a "Palestinian" state!
Please, Please, please, please show me where I EVER said such a thing.
Liberals.....Still trying to read between the lines again.
I said that.....WHERE AGAIN ?
Your anti-Semitism is just flowing freely right now.
Pure Comedy!......
Ok..so because I think that Israel should stand on it's own two feet just like every other sovereign country makes me an anti-Semite now? You do realize you can hate the country's politics and without hating the people right?
But continue with that thought....just makes it easier to laugh at the idiocy the is the rightwing!
But, But, But....
Aren't you a refugee and "Illegal" fan ?
Liberal minds do find "Sense" to be comedic !
We need to keep our money for ourselfs and the first cut needs to be Israel
Development aid for Israel ended many years ago. Israel only gets military aid, and not only does it pay for joint training of US and Israeli armies, and police as well, joint development of military equipment and anti-missile technology, besides the fact that most of the aid is spent in the US helping to maintain employment for thousands of Americans. Do any other countries do that?
As I said just above your comment, what do any of those countries give back to the USA, OTHER THAN ISRAEL, so why would you choose to cut Israel out when it is the only real democracy and real ally that the USA has in the Middle East?
That's exactly why it should be cut. We don't get anything back from them.
That's the point. They are an ally in the ME but haven't really helped us there.
Bibi cut their taxes they can stand on the own two feet without riding on my back.
Americans who are AWARE of what importance Israel is to the USA think differently that you.
It's almost midnight here and I'm too tired to provide you with a lot more reasons so I'm going to sleep, but I know I can give you lots more.
So you too would cancel their military aid (that is mostly spent back in the USA) and throw them to the wolves. Now I know where YOU stand.
Did you not see this?
That's a common misconception. In fact, in recent years our military has been aided more by Israel than perhaps any other "ally". In so many ways.
Let's start with what they've done to greatly decrease he threat of hostile nuclear powers. Israel has done more to stop the spread of nuclear powers than any other country.
Currently I believe there are 9 nations that have nukes. IMO none of them pose much of a threat except for, of course, North Korea. (I really don't see much likelihood of countries like the U.K.-- or even Russia-- starting a nuclear war!. What makes N. Korea uniquely dangerous, of course, is that their leader is a mentally unstable nutcase.
Well, Saddam Hussein was also a mentally unstable nutcase (and in addition to the horrible atrocities he committed inn great numbers to his own people-- and the Kurds-- let's not forget that he started not one but two wars! Of course back then he didn't have nukes. But what would he have done if he did?
Well, he was building a nuclear reactor. And knowing Saddam, it wasn't solely for "Peaceful purposes" as he claimed. (And given the fact that Iraq has the 5th largest known oil reserves in the world-- he really didn't need it for power).
At the time several neighbouring countries (including ,BTW, Iran) felt threatened by Saddam's nuclear programme. But as is so often the case, Israel was "willing to do the job no one else wants to do"-- despite what they knew would be wordlwide condemnation. They took out the reactor!
Operation Opera was a surprise Israeli air strike carried out on 7 June 1981, which destroyed an Iraqi nuclear reactor under construction 17 kilometers (10.5 miles) southeast of Baghdad . [3] [4] [5] The operation came after Iran's unsuccessful Operation Scorch Sword operation had caused minor damage to the same nuclear facility the previous year.
As mentioned, currently there are 9 nuclear powers-- one of them led by a madman. Had Israel not done this, there would be 10-- two led by madmen!
, I totally agree-- we should stop all the aid we are sending to North Korea and Russia! (Whoa-- wait a second-- what makes you think the Trump administration is sending aid to North Korea?)
Foreign Assistance to North Korea That is from 2014. I haven't seen anything for 2015, 2016 or 2017 yet (still digging). I think we've been sending aid to North Korea since 1996.
Only thing I can find past 2014 is Wikipedia. I don't put much trust in them though.
This is from the page you linked to:
Since early 2009, the United States has provided virtually no aid to North Korea,
Do you know where the Israelis spend that money?
Wow! The Extortionist-In-Chief! So Trump is basically extorting countries not to vote on a non-legally binding agreement, because he doesn't want the world to be mad at him or Israel!
My big question is that who is he referring to especially? For the most part smaller countries the receive aid are insignificant, it's countries like Germany, Britain, Australia, Canada and smaller European countries like the Czech Republic, the Netherlands, Poland and Hungary whose votes will have an impact!
NOW THAT"S FUCKING FUNNY....since the supposed FANTASTICALLY best EVER "NON-LEGALLY BINDING" Iran agreement was better than sliced bread....according to Liberal types.
It's OUR money, and we want it back NOW !
By the way....did you hear....Trump called out UN members for not paying their fair share....and guess what......they're starting to do that now.
Ain't that a Hoot ?
Umm....if you actually knew the particulars of the Nuclear deal then you would know the difference, laughing at your own ignorance of a subject isn't a good look!
There's quite a difference between a non BINDING contract with Iran based on THEIR actions regarding lifting of sanctions opposed on them, and a non legally binding vote that is meaningless except to drum up sentiment when it comes to future votes and resolutions drawn against Israel! You see one nonbinding agreement keeps nuclear weapons out of someone hands......the other nonbinding agreement makes Trump and Israel look like the insensitive ass clowns they are to the world!
.....because we don't want the world to see us as assholes!......yeah real good excuse!....../s
Ugh!........why do I even bother? You do realize NATO and the UN are two different entities right?
Also you got a link to back that up because according to the last un roll call....they haven't!
I guess John Kerry was just a lying bitch for Obama huh.
"You do realize NATO and the UN are two different entities right?"
Sure......different ACTORS for the same countries that wouldn't pay up.
Now was that so hard to understand ?
it's like your try at Debt and Deficit deflection, as if You're smarter than the average bear.
Translation: I don't have a fucking clue about the nuclear deal, so instead of researching it I'm going to pontificate in a snarky manner so as to get upvotes!
Translation: I don't have a fucking clue that these are entirely two different entities and refuse to research so I'm going to pontificate in a snarky manner until he goes away or I get upvotes!
Your words sparkplug! Your deflection! .......OOPS!!
Now I challenge me, show me ANYWHERE on this seed where I brought up debt or deficit.....ANYWHERE!
Typical.\ Liberal
Did you conveniently miss Ol' Johnny's speech about how this so Called Obama good deed wasn't legally binding ?
Of course you did....then you try to deflect to some friggin point in the universe where you think it shows you are smmmmmmaaaaaart !
Comedy! Of course I did miss it…..seeing as though I brought up that exact same fact in this comment thread! But you know what’s so funny? Trump threatening countries who voted against him in a purely non binding vote that holds absolutely no weight on whether the US recognizes Jeruselem as Israels capital or not!
…..Still waiting for you to show me my deflection………….
"Trump threatening countries who voted against him in a purely non binding vote that holds absolutely no weight on whether the US recognizes Jeruselem as Israels capital or not!"
Poor Willy types....hoping what happened with what the NATO countries starting doing....BECAUSE of Trump....doesn't happen to the U.N. typical fat cats.
They might start ponying up where they should....instead of the U.S. funding most.
Oh....did you here....because of Trump and Nicky Haley....the budget funding to the U.N. was cut by BILLIONS !
Still waiting..........
BILLIONS you say?!
BILLIONS?!
They are claiming they will be cutting the our budget to the UN by 285 MILLION! So no, I didn't hear that crap you just made up!
You need to get out more !
“They take hundreds of millions of dollars and even billions of dollars, and then they vote against us. Well, we’re watching those votes. Let them vote against us. We’ll save a lot. We don’t care,” Trump told reporters at the White House.
According to figures from the U.S. government’s aid agency USAID, in 2016 the United States provided some $13 billion in economic and military assistance to countries in sub-Saharan Africa and $1.6 billion to states in East Asia and Oceania.
It provided some $13 billion to countries in the Middle East and North Africa, $6.7 billion to countries in South and Central Asia, $1.5 billion to states in Europe and Eurasia and $2.2 billion to Western Hemisphere countries, according to USAID.
And you "Say" (thinking) it's only going to be few Million. Only if the Countries that voted the wrong way, change their ways after they voted against it. It's gonna be the Kerry Syndrome all over again. They voted against it, before they vote for it, when the money dries up from this country.
You still, as most Liberals do, underestimate Trump.
I need to get out more?!
I didn’t say shit!....Trump did!
So basically……extortion if you don’t what we see……..thanks for finally admitting it!
Nothing wrong with that when one....the united States of AMERICA.....is being wronged and extorted most of the time.
What......you want us to keep being the Police of the world and constantly funding failures of other countries ?
How Patriotic of you !
Bet your one of those that don't think you are taxed enough too !
Israel acts like the USA only purpose is to fund and protect Israel
So, the U.N. voted against the U.S. today. So be it!
We are going to stand behind Israel....bottom line and the way it should be. We are a Country who gives and gives, so, when some of these Countries put out a hand for money they should be reminded.
And you know what's going to happen....not a damn thing! All of those countries that are receiving aid the US has some sort of interest in them either militarily or economically, just another bluff by Trump that was called!
Kind of like Israel?!
Well...for one thing, the President of the US does not control the purse strings. Congress does, the house actually. So the President and his people can stomp their feet in a 3 y/o tantrum because Trump didn't get his way and threaten the world with taking away their aid all he wants. However, methinks that with the 2018 elections just around the corner, saner heads in the House and elsewhere will prevail.
Like it or not, the US in dependent on other countries as well, and cutting our nose off in order to pacify the tantrum of the current POTUS would seriously impact our own country and our own people.
So Trump and his people can go out in the WH front lawn and kick and scream all they want because Trump didn't get his way, but, in the long run, he will most likely not prevail, no more so than other Presidents who might have wanted to do the same thing.
When did Congress ever stop Obama from his executive orders,
Israel will prevail with the help of the U.S. as they should.
President Obama was sane.
Obama lost something like 55% of his Administration's court cases, largely because he has to go around a hostile Congress by EOs,
so yes, Congress usually prevailed.
good.
He was insanely against the U.S.
"All of this for a flag"
And Congress will likely prevail in this case as well, however, the question is, can those who are up for reelection keep their jobs if they side with Trump come Nov next year? I understand that there is a percentage of Republicans that would vote for Satan himself if he ran on the GOP ticket, however, there are far more Republicans that do use their common sense when it comes to some things, no matter if it is put out by the GOP.
I know a good many Republicans who are not happy with Trumps decision about Israel, not his threats to stop aid to those who dare to defy his edict. And many of them are looking very long and hard at the GOP candidates who are up for reelection.
And...Congress can over ride Executive orders. So there is no sure thing even with an Executive order.
yes
Yeah jump on that unproven comment......
The Obamas were no more against the US than you or I.
Did you just regurgitate a debunked rightwing talking point that even it was true wasn't even made by President Obama?!........
I think people are looking at this the wrong way, America doesn't need the worlds permission to recognise Jerusalem as the Israeli Capital.
Nor does it need the worlds permission to move it's embassy.
The resolution, co-sponsored by Turkey and Yemen, called Trump’s recognition “null and void” and reaffirmed 10 security council resolutions on Jerusalem, dating back to 1967, including requirements that the city’s final status must be decided in direct negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians.
It also “demands that all states comply with security council resolutions regarding the holy city of Jerusalem, and not to recognise any actions or measures contrary to those resolutions”.
I wonder if Trump wasn't involved how many would be supporting the world flipping America off like this?
If Trump and his childish antics were not involved there would no need for any of the world to react against him. He is not only his own worst enemy, but, Americas as well.
I was under the impression that the Embassy move complied with the Jerusalem Embassy Act, didn't both the House and the Senate pass this?
Only now do I realise that hatred of Trump is so strong, that his opponents will seemingly cheer almost any move against him, even if it's to America's detriment.
It is those who willingly follow his insane motives to create on isolated America that is the biggest detriment to America.
Oh please, next you're going to tell me it harms the peace deal!
I believe every President since 1995 has signed a waver on the Embassy Act.
Where did it get them?
Where did it get the peace deal?
The answers simple, it got nowhere!
No...I'm not going to tell you that next, as it has nothing to do with what is going down now. Don't try to put words in my mouth, or make up crap that you think others are thinking just to provoke them.
Now....take your game and go play someplace else. I'm not interested.
Notwithstanding moving the Embassy to Jerusalam had almost unanimous bipartisan support by both levels of the representatives of the people of America.
Have they come up with the funding for it? It will cost a lot because it will have to be built like a fort.
What will be the benefit of this move?
The fact that it has to be built like a fort makes the point, doesn't it? Perhaps the Palestinians will come to the table with an intention to negotiate for a change before they lose even MORE than they already have for their intransigence.
Point is it will cost US taxpayer a lot of money that could be spent on US citizens
While it might please Israel and it's political forces in America, this move looks like waving a red flag at a mad bull
You've missed the flavour of my reply. Seeing the recognition as an arbitrary move by Trump, is as ridiculous as claiming it harms the peace, hence the "Oh please, next you're going to tell me".
When I first joined NV I'd see the RW extremists hate on Obama, nothing he did was right, and boy did they glory in his defeats. Now I'm seeing the same thing here.
For some that's not important, that this was an action by Trump means it will always be seen as wrong.
Don't hold your breath, so long as their delusions are being pandered to, they have no reason to negotiate.
This short of nonsense at the UN only makes a deal that less likely.
You're probably right. If Trump had been an Israel basher they would most likely demand that the embassy be moved to EAST Jerusalem.
Now that I think about it, because they now know that almost the rest of the world agrees with them they will never compromise or bargain, and so we can expect more of the same for who knows how long.
Now that I think about it, because they now know that almost the rest of the world agrees with them they will never compromise or bargain, and so we can expect more of the same for who knows how long.
It doesn't have to be built that well. Some U.S. embassies have been built without all that extra security, which saves a ton of money! For example the one in Libya (in Benghazi).
There is always hope Buzz, the looming Saudi/Iran conflict offers the possibility of a regional political shift.
In short the Saudis are going to need friends.
that price was outrageous
don't need to replace one we already have
The American embassy in London needs the extra protection
Approximately 850 people from the UK have travelled to support or fight for jihadist groups in Syria and Iraq, say the British authorities.
what has Israel done for the USA?
See, this Is the thing. It's not about what did you give me for Christmas. It's about what I wanted to give you for Christmas.
Israel has fought long and hard to be recognized. I admire them so much.
I have often wondered why most of the world hate Jews. They have been slaughtered, ostracized, demeaned and they still persevere.
aside from the USS Liberty incident and numerous spies being arrested and deported or serving long prison sentences like Jonathon Pollard?
The ODS here is palpable among the usual few.
Ohhh Obama insulted every Jew on the planet by.....blah, blah, blah
after reauthorizing 31 Billion in aid PLUS an additional $$7 Billion for missile defense, F35s and new IAF transports for the next 10 years.
Why do so many people think they are friends of the USA?
money
Ohhh Obama insulted every Jew on the planet by.....blah, blah, blah
There actually are facts about what's going on in the Middle East-- which seem to be ignored by many people who's knowledge of the facts is selective (they only mthe facts that suit their political agenda-- be it left or right of e).
And in this case, most people seem to have forgotten what Obama's true feeling are- - hardly an insult to every Jew on the planet!!!
I was quoting Buzz's comment.
He has serious ODS....
Even the renewal of our military aid agreement with Israel, including an extra $7Billion cannot assuage Buzz.
Oh-- sorry! I misunderstood your comment .
Even the renewal of the military funding agreement...followed by stabbing Israel in the back at the UN and attempting to fund millions of dollars to the terrorist Palestinians on his way out the door. I never complained about the military funding agreement, or even asked that it be increased, so don't put words in my mouth to justify your feelings about Israel.
PLUS an additional $$7 Billion for missile defense, F35s..
Those are very expensive weapons systems. So when they get paid for-- who benefits? Who gets all that money? (Hint: Not Israel-- the F35s are not an Israeli product-- they are manufactured in U.S. defense plants!)
Sorry, but I'm somewhat acronym-challenged. Since there are at least 61 meanings for it I would appreciate your explaining what you mean by it.
But the US taxpayer gave the money that we got 70% of back. We could have built something for ourself instead
Israel is rich enough to pay for their stuff
My point being once again, that your hatred of Obama for this one non veto at the UN is illogical given all that he did for the Israeli's during his Admin.
I can think of plenty of corporate welfare where that 38 billion can be used right here in the USA starting with PR & the VI.
MAGA - put Americans first.
My attitude is based on my opinion that because of the history of the series of mandates, treaties, agreements, and the right of a country defending against wars brought upon it has the legal and historical right to annex the conquered lands, including Judea, Samaria, all of Jerusalem and the Golan Heights, in which case nobody can stop Israel from building settlements on it.
I meant what do you mean by ODS?
I meant what do you mean by ODS?
what has Israel done for the USA?
A lot of what is really going on isn't reported much in the media (both on the left and on the right). See my comment #2.2.1.1
Link was incorrect. It should be this comment
Puerto Rico, part of the USA, is still in ruins, we are told good health care cost too much, cut money for stuff that helps people who pay the taxes; but, plenty of money to send Israel.
Wanting to give is OK for private donations; but not with tax money
You know, PR could maybe help themselves. They are not in even in the same class with Israel. Israel fights and Puerto Ricans sit back and wait for someone else to do their fighting.
Israel is not in same class with Puerto Rico because Puerto Rico is part of the USA. But somehow Israel is considered better.
Make America Great Again, Puerto Rico is part of America, not Israel
Then, they should show American spirit. Israel shows it.
PR come to the U.S. mainland and take. They take and take. We are a protectorate so, therefore, you owe us something. We owe them no more than what they are entitled to. For the most, they are lazy. They form their gangs, perpetrate violence in their areas and, basically, take from us.
Wow, that comment is just something. Losing respect, although I'm sure you don't care. After all that time you've been spending lately defending voting for a morally depraved person, and you go take a shit on AMERICANS who have just had their entire island decimated, just like Trump. The tax bill also takes a shit on Puerto Rico. I really do wonder, what values republicans hold, on a deep level.
Newp. They expect us to do their fighting for them.
We give Israel close to 7 billion a year in handouts. PR? They are actual American citizens. Israel? Not so much.
Great bigoted statement and a complete lack of understanding of the history of PR..
Oh, BTW PR's have fought in every war starting with WWI that the U.S. has fought in, and nine PR's have been the recipients of the Medal of Honor.
Really, so in how many of Israel's wars has America done the fighting?
Wow......
PR is part of the USA.
Period
Absolute BULLSHIT.
Who is Puerto Rico fighting?
Wherever did you get that idea?
When you were in Israel, did you stick with your tour group? Or did you ever actually get to know any Israelis?
None.
FWIW:
The Department of Defense recently spotlighted Puerto Rico’s participation in the U.S. Military with an article bringing out the details of the territory’s service since World War I.
The men and women of Puerto Rico have served in U.S. wars from the R evolutionary War and the Civil War on. Since becoming U.S. citizens in 1917, Puerto Ricans have served in disproportionate numbers relative to their population within the U.S.
uring WWII the U.S. gave a tremendous amount of aid to our allies. In that case would you have advocated cutting of aid to, say,Britain-- when is was being bombed daily by Nazi Germany's rockets? Because after all, they weren't U.S. citizens...?
None.
We have a winner!
Is there some sort of anti Israeli playbook out their, I swear I've dealt with the same stupid points over and over again.
As have I, AFM, but it's not worth the effort to even TRY to educate pro-Palestinian Israel-bashers.
But the key thing is-- where do they spend that money? And-- on what???
Sorry, if you take issue with my post. Yes, PR, has and is going through a devastating period not unlike that in TX, but it is the way people handle their adversities. That's the bottom line.
Puerto Rico has NOTHING to do with this article and is an intended derailment.
NO! not intended as a derailment
It is a comparison and showing how a foreign country gets more than parts of our own country and the needs of our citizens are lower than Israel
Funding Israel's military provides benefits to the USA. Are you an isolationist?
we are overfunding it for sure. I don't like idea of eating hamburger and paying for someone else's steak while they are rude
Gee, Charger, I'm having to live on my government pension, but if all you can afford to eat is hamburger, I would if I could afford it, send you some money so you could eat a steak once in a while. I'm really sorry your government is depriving your desired diet because they send so much of their budget to Israel.
I thought you would see the hamburger and steak was a comparison. We are buying and Israel is getting better than we are
lsrael has enough money to fund their military now, we are letting them spend their money for nicer things for their people while telling our taxpayers to do without
Thanks for offer, I will have steak and shrimp Friday evening (and cold beer)
I'm pleased you're not being deprived of your wishes and needs because the US sends so much of its budget to Israel. I understood the comparison. Did you read the comment and the linked articles at the bottom of all these comments yet?
I read them once and will re-read them
I think Israel is now rich enough to afford to buy weapons without so much US funding. Our military aid is effectively subsidizing other parts of their economy (replacing money they would otherwise have to use) and they cut taxes, why should US taxpayers pick up this?
Actually you bring up a point that should be considered. I wonder if there are comparisons between American and Israeli tax rates as adjusted for cost of living index to see who pays the most, and just what a tax cut means to the average person. I would agree with you if the situation were such that the support Israel's military is given enables Israelis to enjoy not having to pay taxes on their income. I think, however, that consideration has to be given to the enormous expense Israel has to bear due to the attacks and threats of attack from its surrounding neighbours.
Trump is an embarrassment...
Yeah, but how about Russia? Lol...
Yea, last I saw he was at about 65% in Russia.. They love him...weird huh?
Other countries idea of US President doing "the right thing" means US money spent and US troops getting killed and the USA doing their dirty work
That may be true of some countries. But from what I've seen, in most cases the countries where the U.S. has taken military action don't want us there....
(And its certainly not true of Israel-- they are adamant about defending themselves, doing their own fighting. They are "ultra-self-reliant").
For those who have not bothered to research the benefits that Israel has brought and continues to bring to the USA, perhaps a little reading is in order. Unfortunately I don't have time to seek more recent opinions, nor the inclination to relate all the technological, medical, and agricultural inventions and discoveries that Israel has brought not only to the USA but to the world at large. Perhaps without American military aid (with at least 70% of it spent back in the USA) Israel might not afford to create and discover such benefits for mankind. So if you don't support Israel's defence against their surrounding and nearby neighbours that are daily threatening Israel's existence, then you are supporting the terrorists and those who bring no benefits to the USA save, perhaps for oil, and there is no reason America cannot make itself self-sufficient (using Canada's huge natural resources as well), considering the future direction towards use of electricity and other energy producing methods.
Good for him.