CAL-EXIT?
SACRAMENTO — With the reading of their own version of a Declaration of Independence, founders of the state of New California took the first steps to what they hope will eventually lead to statehood. CBS Sacramento reports they don't want to leave the United States, just California.
"Well, it's been ungovernable for a long time. High taxes, education, you name it, and we're rated around 48th or 50th from a business climate and standpoint in California," said founder Robert Paul Preston.
The state of New California would incorporate most of the state's rural counties, leaving the urban coastal counties to the current state of California.
"There's something wrong when you have a rural county such as this one, and you go down to Orange County which is mostly urban, and it has the same set of problems, and it happens because of how the state is being governed and taxed," Preston said.
Cal-exit? Meet the movement for California secession
But unlike other separation movements in the past, the state of New California wants to do things by the book, citing Article 4, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution and working with the state legislature to get it done, similar to the way West Virginia was formed.
"Yes. We have to demonstrate that we can govern ourselves before we are allowed to govern," said founder Tom Reed.
And despite obstacles, doubters, and obvious long odds, the group stands united in their statehood dream.
The group is organized with committees and a council of county representatives, but say it will take 10 to 18 months before they are ready to fully engage with the state legislature.
This is not the first effort to split up California. In 2014, Silicon Valley venture capitalist Tim Draper submitted signatures to put a measure that would split California in six separate states.
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Can you blame them?
<Face Palm> All the money is in the Urban areas, why cut off your nose in spite of your face. I see another red state being created that clamors lower taxes and less regulations will work, but fail to mention that they will have to receive millions in federal aid because they cannot support themselves because of those very same policies. If its not working in Kentucky, Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, Montana..etc, why would it work there?
I always thought the right was against re-distribution.
It is? I thought it was in agriculture and cows.
Perhaps the rural areas are tired of the larger populated areas ruining their state. All the pot farms are in northern California and the large cities suck them dry.
It certainly seems to be in pot
As does agriculture in general
2. The Golden State is also known for its agriculture. The long growing season and good soil in California plays a vital part in crop production. California is the top state in the United States for all farm income. California produces almost all of the country's almonds, apricots, dates, figs, kiwi fruit, nectarines, olives, pistachios, prunes, and walnuts and leads in the production of avocados, grapes, lemons, melons, peaches, plums, and strawberries.
As for oranges, only one state — Florida — produces more oranges. California was also the third-ranked producer of livestock cash receipts — behind Texas and Iowa — according to the USDA .
Agriculture is a major industry for the Golden State. With 76,400 farms and ranches, California agriculture is a $54 billion dollar industry that generates at least $100 billion in related economic activity. [ CDFA's Mission ]
I knew you were going to mention Agriculture.
The majority of all Agri business in Cali is controlled by a very small and well managed collective. The money does not stay in the rural environment, the benefits go directly to the companies controlling it and they reside in the urban areas. The farmers, ranchers and their helpers see very little economic benefit.
Another lost benefit, is the fishing, California is near the top in commercial fishing, you also lose a major user of the services industry, which generates the highest portion of the state's gross state product, and you lose the manufacturing of computer machinery which ranks second in production, followed by food product processing of baked goods, beverages, canned fruits and vegetables.
What you are left with is a bunch of small tows drowning in Drug and Gang violence with a major portion of their population being illegal immigrants working in the fields to pick the fruit that will have to be shipped to Old California for processing, selling and shipping to the global market.
You obviously aren't acquainted with one of the many shitbag repukelican "farmers" in Congress by the name of Dough LaMalfa. Look him up.
Rep. Doug LaMalfa, R-Richvale, received over $1.7 million in traditional farm subsidies (Handouts) from 1995 to 2016.
I would put him into the small collective that controls he industry.
The population also has the power in a country because it is impossible for it not to. When will you understand that the political power in the US lies with the people and not with the land? Acres and cows don't vote! Farmer Bob with 3000 acres has the very same one vote as does the guy who lives in an 800 sq ft apartment in LA.
Conservatives trotted out this same BS argument when they showed the red area of the country that voted for Trump. Most of that red area in the rural midwest, the desert, and the mountains is uninhabited.
If New California leaves, which won't happen, then those federal subsidies would disappear. Obviously, the people who support this nonsense do not understand politics or macroeconomics.
This is just another delusional TEAparty fantasy. Maybe Sarah Palin will come out of retirement to run for governor.
Desperation drives people to do and say idiotic things and there's no more desperate societal niche than rightwingers.
Or those still Suffering from Hillary LOST Butt Hurt Bern............
on a state level. that is why some want a New California I guess....to get rid of those people controlling the entire state. when will you understand?
You just proved my previous statement about the ignorance of macroeconomics. New California doesn't have enough money to stand on its own and not be a welfare state. It is the populated areas of the state that pay the bills with their taxes.
oh I think they could......
What do they have to generate those taxes when most of that land is uninhabited? The property taxes on working farmland is a write-off, so there isn't money to be gained there.
SoCal is not going to let their water supply from the Sierras fall into the hands of others.
Many states, such as Alaska, manage fine with a small population and large uninhabitable land.
Alaska has vast quantities of natural resources that fund all its needs and provides albeit small, dividends to its residents from these resources.
Californians major natural resources lay mainly offshore now, and would not be part of New California
that is all false
While you may be thinking about the San Joaquin Delta, I was leaning towards Oil and Natural Gas. Sorry, I was not clear.
California produces more crude oil than Alaska without the offshore rigs.
Excluding federal offshore areas, California ranked third in the nation in crude oil production with over 200 million barrels in 2014.
While oil production has slowed in recent years in response to enhanced exploration and drilling in the plains, Alaska is still one of the largest oil-producing states with 181 million barrels of output
Also, if you look at the map for New California it includes the northern coast and central California.
those offshore rigs should be counted, does California not receive monetary benefit from them? The feds are not the ones drilling, just leasing the land to drill on.
Cali producing more than Alaska was not the question, them being able to sustain themselves was, which is where the oil and gas come in, for them.
I wouldn't count on 2/3rds of those counties even consider this effort, the suggested map is pie in the sky.
Why does the map stop at L.A? What about Oceanside, San Clemente, Carlsbad, San Diego, Escondido, Coronado..etc??
this is a map from Newsweek on one of their articles about Preston.
Yellow would be considered "Old California" under the proposal, and blue counties are not involved. How could Blue not be involved, makes no sense.
Once again Orange County, San Diego County, Riverside County. I laugh, (well they can have everything East of the 215 i guess), no one is going to miss Banning, Hemet, San Jacinto, or Paris. Might miss Palm Springs though, beautiful place from what i remember.
To close to 29 Palms...........
They can keep the deserts too.
I couldn't tell ya. Still looks like they have enough to separate. Kern County has large oil reserves so that would be nice.
Alaska survives on their oil income and has very little infrastructure or people to support because it is largely uninhabited.
California has some oil in SoCal but has many more people and a lot of infrastructure to pay for. These people are just trying to repackage their State of Jefferson fantasy.
There's little to no interest in Congress which needs to approve a separation if the movement gets that far.
There's currently no incentive for either party .....
And other than a few who have some kind of unrealistic dream, the secession of Calif from the US will never happen. I live here, in So Calif, and I know what is going on at the ground level. There is no incentive here by the majority of the people who actually live here in Calif to do so. IT is like those in Texas who want it to separate from the US and be a separate country, there are way too many reasons that it will never happen. Same for Calif. It is nothing more than pie in the sky talk by those who don't understand the underlying issues that would result from any such actions that would be devastating on both sides.
CA produces more oil than Alaska...not just some.
double post
You are correct but it is close. New California wouldn't get those oil reserves because they would stay in California because they surround the LA basin.
So Calif has been producing on-shore oil decades before off-shore drilling began. And there not that many off-shore drilling sites on the Pacific coast.
well no, a lot of the largest oil reserves are in Kern County and mid state. so you would be wrong again.
I would miss Hemet. A park there is named for my grandfather.
From what my friends tell me the Hemet of today is just drugs and gang land. The Hemet/San Jacinto area of the past was a nice quiet place to raise a family and commute to work from.
those that cannot afford to live in Urban SoCal? More bad news for this New Cali effort. They are taking all the shitholes with them and will never get any tax dollars from them. Just a drain.
Perhaps I am just remembering the Hemet I spent a lot of time in when I was a kid. It was kind of like Mayberry back then. I don't know if you are familiar with the Ramona Pageant or not but my grandparents were both past presidents of the board for it. The bowl was like my own personal play ground in the off season and I had a ball. I doubt I will ever revisit Hemet or not but at least I have happy memories of it. I think going back if it is as bad as you say would break my heart.
It would also be overwhelmingly Democratic compared to "Jefferson", and you'd still have the same people with the same problems.
You remember the same Hemet/San Jacinto as i do Paula, sorry to say things are no longer as we remember them.
Those were good times.
FYI, the Cal-exit guy fled to the safety of his Russian handlers.
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And the original version of this idea was for northern CA to be part of the white supremacist state of Jefferson. It seems not much has changed there since the 1940s.
Your links are for entirely different movements. They are for succession from the US, the article is about splitting California into separate states.
Irrelevant.
You're referring to the first two links which are indeed about the original Cal-exit proposal which was discussed during the 2016 election.
The third link is about the "state of Jefferson" which involved splitting the overwhelmingly white and conservative northern rural counties from the rest of the state but it's not a federal secessionist movement per se. That is directly related to the proposal you're discussing.
Dont Blame them one bit...........
here is short list of "Urban areas" New California would not have LA, San Fransisco, Oakland, San Diego, Riverside and San Bernandino (also called the Agri Empire), Sacramento, and everything else running up and down the PCH. That is a lot of Tourist dollars also that New California would not see.
Just thought of it, but each of those major Urban areas also has a vast Sub-Urban area that would also not be included in the New California. So much lost, so little gained. I don't think California has anything to worry about.
well doesn't seem like they have much to lose.
You obviously know nothing about CA or economics. And your bullshit quote is absolute proof.
The stat is from the article. I am not the topic. Stop the personal attacks.
Selective use of the term "Business Climate" does not mean anything when California as a whole, if it were its own country, would rank 10th overall in GDP.
"Business Climate" is a subjective term that says, there are regulations preventing me from doing shady shit. Its hard to do business there...but it sure is profitable.
The stat is from Robert Paul Preston who's pushing his own narrative and is guesstimating.
"In fact, across all 50 states, every state but one ranks in the top 20 on at least one index, and every state ranks in the bottom half on at least one index. New York is similar to California in having both favorable and unfavorable rankings among these eleven indexes, and generally by the same indexes; for example, both states are ranked poorly—indeed, among
the worst—by SBTC, SBSI, CDBI, EFI, and EFINA, yet are ranked near the top by some of the other
indexes."
Last time I checked it was 6th....
And it's no. 1 of all the states and leads no. 2 TX by a whopping $1T:
So you're an accomplice to spreading BS -- either way, creating or spreading obvious BS, makes you the topic.
yes I have read that, but is it helping the entire state?
no, it makes the article the topic. regardless, neither warrants a personal attack. stop it.
Then they need to stop voting for politicians who don't have their best economic interest in mind. People need to learn that they are part of an interconnected county and not some delusional fantasy of an independent moral agent of BS Ayn Rand fiction. This concept is why macroeconomic principles need to be taught as a requirement in high schools.
These people are whacked, it will never happen not matter how much they wish it could
and very poorly guesstimating.
However silly the "Declaration of Independence from California" event seemed, it drew more people than a Jefferson rally, even though most seemed to be reporters taking notes and recording this "historic event".
Judging by the proposed division of counties, this effort makes the Jefferson proponents look reasonable.
Does Philadelphia help the whole state of PA? Does New York City define the sate of New York?
Does Clark County / Las Vegas help the rest of the state or should they too secede and advance this notion of 'sovereignty' because we want it now?
Should we revert to city states like old Greece?
West Virginia was born during the Civil War and not a valid comparison.
This idea has been tossed about for 70 years and never bears fruit, nor should it.
If the person can prove that they can drive then why shouldn't they have a state-issued drivers license? The ID doesn't list them as citizens, so what is your problem?
The fact that it also provides them with a photo ID is a plus. I think that everyone over the age of 16 should have a permanent state-issued photo ID provides to them at no cost if they don't have a drivers license.
Yet CA. has the second best economy in the country. Hate it all you want, but without it, 9 leaching red states would starve to death.
How much does Cal suck from the Fed?
Yea, they really would.
Um, not nearly as much as they put in? What part of, "California literally pays so much into the fed, it covers the 10 poor states we have", confused you?
Not me so I guess it is not 100% after all.
Same here. To paint with such a broad brush is really unfortunate, especially, when they don't know the majority of the populace.
bull
Sounds like you're fact-challenged.
I guess,
unless maybe,
you are a CHILD !
We pay more out than we get back. For all you CA haters, how about you say what state you live in. Let's see if your glass houses can withstand a few stones.
In the same boat....live in NYS
who doesn't enjoy a good stoning, now and then
If California was a country, it would have the 6th largest economy in the world. California literally pays so much into the fed, it covers the 10 poor states we have, 9 of which are RED states.
(Rank/State/Score/Economic Activity/Economic "health" Rank/Innovation Potential Rank)
And now for a completely different view. Look who's 43 out of 50 in Fiscal stability:
California
State Fiscal Stabilty ratings
Go ahead Cali, take off. We'll buy you for pennies on the dollar when declare bankruptcy
No problem, leave. But forget all those federal agencies, jobs and aid that your cherry picked stats don't account for. That's all gone
Good luck and don't let the door hit you in the ass.
See you soon when we have to bail you out of the hole you've already dug for yourselves
Lol, keep on dreaming ..... hell, Mississippi is ranked ahead of of Cali and is on more solid Fiscal ground. The Southern "goobers" are more fiscally sound than Cali. Hilarious.
That said i know many Californians and few feel the way you do. So the next logical move for you is to abdicate your minority bully pulpit and move the hell out of State and Country. Perhaps a fine Socialist state like Venezuela.
Buh bye now!
With what, Bitcoin?
Certainly not with California's negative net asset ratio and total liabilities amounting to over70% of total assets that's for sure.
You aren't borrowing jack shit with numbers like that.
California has often been referred to as the breadbasket of the world. In fact the California Department of Food and Agriculture notes that California is the world’s fifth largest supplier of food and agriculture commodities.
Doesn't anger me at all XX, I just consider the source of the comments and have to laugh about it, since it comes from the mythical kingdom of Jeffersonia, also known as ''Deliverance North''....
Agreed!
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stop with the personal attacks
Every word I wrote as true. But try to prove me wrong. Go ahead...ask him where he lives.
calling a member carpetbagger and fraud is a no no.
behave or leave
Back when you were Cornhusker-for-Palin on Newsvine did you not admit that you lived in the Bay Area?
Off topic - your point is??????
Try to keep up.
Hmmmm....no answer yet. Is he thinking about it or can't remember?
It would seem that California is a microcosm for the rest of the Country. Same problems, concerns etc. magnified by its size and scope with the same non-answers and lack of solutions.
For myself the answers lie somewhere in the middle, common sense solutions for complex problems. Sadly common sense died of natural causes circa 1976
it did, but some of us still can cherish its memory
Now that made me smile
It is true that under the governorship of the Schwartenegger CA was plunged deeply into debt---it's what Republicans do, after all). Since Brown came back, the state has become much more solvent and far more prosperous. The craptalk from the rightwing is basically envy of a state that's run better than the shitholes they live in.
I loved the movie, The Help, set in Jackson, MS. Was it an accurate portrayal? I think so. It made me very angry, which was probably the purpose of the movie. How could people, "Christian" women, behave so despicably?
We must remember that there are people on this site who are from MS, and be careful to not insult them. MS has some really neat geology: Yazoo Rivers, HUGE aquifers, etc. Remember, after the Civil War, they spent their entire state budget on prosthetic limbs for veteran amputees. MS is a poorer state, and lacks economic development. Flatter than a flitter, it has plenty of room to build, and adequate water supplies, etc. I think it has a lot of potential.
I go to MS fairly often to gamble. And we go to Biloxi once a year for a bowling tournament. Biloxi is awesome especially since it's right on the Gulf.
As for being flat...you can say that again. That state is flatter than I was at 16 LOL!
Never going to happen
Article IV of the Constitution:
New states may be admitted by the Congress into this union; but no new states shall be formed or erected within the jurisdiction of any other state; nor any state be formed by the junction of two or more states, or parts of states, without the consent of the legislatures of the states concerned as well as of the Congress.
It is a hard row to hoe, but I give them kudos for letting themselves be heard
Never say never though
This will not happen anything soon unless someone does not follow the Constitution, you know that paper that republicans said that our last President wasn't following but now want to throw out to form a new state within a state.
These people do not live in the real world so giving them actual facts doesn't work. But it is necessary to do so nevertheless.