Peoples lives are being shattered and destroyed by a mere allegation. Some are true and some are false. Some are old and some are new. There is no recovery for someone falsely accused - life and career are gone. Is there no such thing any longer as Due Process?
Amid Rob Porter Scandal, Trump Tweets: ‘Lives Are Being… Destroyed by a Mere Allegation’
As the White House fallout from Rob Porter ‘s departure over alleged domestic abuse continues, President Trump took to Twitter to lament how people are being “destroyed” by mere allegations.
A day after offering complimentary words about the work of a man accused of abuse by two ex-wives, the President now appears to be commenting on it again:
“Is there no such thing any longer as Due Process?” the President asked.
Last night a second White House official stepped down over allegations of domestic abuse as well.
The Trump default position is don't believe the women. That the women are always lying and the men are always right and the accusations are always false. It also seems to have become the once honorable John Kelly's position too. It's a shame. At one time he seemed to b a man to be respected, but working for Trump has brought out his bigotry and misogyny. Trump is the opposite of King Midas. Everything and everyone he touches turns to shit.
It is said that Trump see himself in Rob Porter and those like him.
Said by who? It really isn't his job to get into the private lives of his staffers. Obama never castigated any of his subordinates. Hillary on the other hand wasn't very good with people.
Trump is defending a wife beater.
Yea,
because of some extra super fkn stupid reason like;
HE DIDNT HAVE TO!
Is assault a private matter?
Odd that it's prosecuted in public courts.
Who cares? If he’s guilty of a crime, then prove it in court. If you don’t think he’s a good husband, then don’t marry him. Trump was commenting on his job performance not his home life and he wasn’t hired to be a saint.
certainly not ANY Trump supporter...
how bout YOU ?
There are police reports and a order of protection. Of course, that probably isn't enough for you and the fraternity. It's only official if he did time and even then y'all would probably claim that his ex-wife is a man hater...
Add it to the list. So far Trump has defended: a wife beater, a pedophile, a mass murdering dictator, and neo-nazis.
How did he defend him? What words did he say?
My understanding is, the first wife, Jennie Willoughby did prove it in court, that is why they are ex's and, according to the story I heard on the news, there is a restraining order still in effect against him.
Yes, it really is. Since this is an issue that would guarantee that the FBI would never allow him to have a permanent Top Secret clearance. No way. Never. Not any kind of a chance in the world. They never would based just on what has been released in public and we don't know what else the FBI has on him. And the job he had requires an above Top Secret clearance. For a Top Secret clearance your private life is very, very much a huge issue. In fact it is the most important thing the FBI looks at.
I don't know a whole lot about this matter, but the first sentence in this article is very true. If we continue to let allegations hold as much weight as actual proof, we are really going down the wrong road. Any one of us could have 3 people, women in this case, accuse us of spousal or sexual abuse and if the only thing our guilt was based on was the accusation, we will have pretty much destroyed our justice system by not abiding by 'Innocent until proven guilty' which requires proof. There is very little room to prove something is false. Tell me, how would any one of us prove accusations against us aren't true if 3 women from previous relationships decided to accuse us of some sort of abuse?
I know many of you don't like Trump, so no matter what he does or says is just another thing you can criticize him for. I also know many of you don't see or understand how the way things are reported can be biased as well. None of us really know what Trump actually knew when he said the things he did about this situation. I wish I could magically switch places with some of you so you would understand what I'm talking about, but since that is impossible, this will have to do.
I do not support spousal abuse or any abuse for that matter. I would expect Trump or anyone to feel the same way I do about it. I can't speak for him, but until all the details are known and I know the MSM will never do their job in that respect, because they've already done their job at this point in this matter. Their accusations are holding the same weight as the proof to many people.
I meant guilty of a crime that warrants him going to jail. A restraining order doesn’t mean he was convicted of a crime and they’re pretty easy to get. I read the temporary restraining order and it was issued because he violated his separation agreement. It expired a few days after it was issued in 2010. I also read what his wives said. He seems to have a bad temper and manhandled them occasionally. Personally, I really don’t care about his marital relationships. However, if he can’t get a security clearance, then I guess he’d be leaving the White House anyway so it made sense to resign and step out of the spotlight.
Where have you been. If you feel you and Trump have the same feelings, our condolences.
You don't think physical assault is a crime worthy of jail?
According to a source at New York Magazine, Trump told a friend that you have to “treat [women] like shit,” seemingly to get what you want out of them. Is anyone surprised that he would sing the praises of an abuser like he did?
Apparently, it wasn’t worthy of jail since he’s not in one.
Yes. Do I care what the guy’s job thought about him? No.
Yes and it would bother him when I punched him in his.
Treating a woman like shit to get what you want is another way of saying that nice guys finish last. They’re many nice guys who watched the girls date an asshole over them. Probably because women don’t fantasize about geeks, bookworms, spelling bee champs, debate team participants etc. And don’t bother telling me that I don’t know what women think. Whatever they think, I’ve seen what they do and so have millions of other men.
Yeah, because every person whose crime qualifies them for prison time actually gets prison time /s
There are many gals that watch guys sigh over the 'mean girls' while acting like they are invisible.
Yet all of those guys eventually get married and have happy families. The assholes, not so much...
Since you intentionally truncated my comment, you're being disingenuous. Typical.
Please proceed.
Jennie Willoughby: 'President Trump Will Not Diminish My Truth'
Gotta like this young lady
Perhaps you should go look up truncated and then shut up about doing nothing of the sort.
BTFW, I don't need to see the police reports or the judges protection order, I have no reason to doubt his ex-wives.
I have a bad temper, yet I have never hit a woman, especially not my wife. To say what you have said in your post shows a lack of understanding of what he is accused of, it is a pattern of abuse and, it shouldn't be tolerated in a post like his or, in any position.
Yes. My mother. By her 2nd husband. I am married to my 3rd wife and I have a bad temper also, but I have never, ever raised my hand in anger to any of them and never would. There is simply no excuse of justification or rationalization for it. A wife beater has a form of a monster inside of him that a normal man does not.
The very fact that Trump was elected utterly refutes his BS. Over a dozen women accused him and all it did was make 'conservative' men cheer and conservative women to volunteer and cause 'evangelicals' to give him a mulligan.
Of course you will just ignore this and give the hag a pass .
Domestic abuse and infidelity is OK if you're a left winger.
So I'm sure you hold Trump in low esteem, considering he's cheated on at least two, and probably all three, of his wives, yes?
Left, right, or in the middle, it is never okay and anyone who says it is ok for a certain group of people should volunteer at a shelter for battered women.
He has cheated on number three, does the name Stormy Daniels mean anything to you?
I guess we'll have to give him a mulligan, since he was a Democrat during that time. LOL
People who support Trump without question are no different than the people who supported Obama without question. They are the same fruit in different baskets.
And who would that be?
and N E 1 who would believe this,
IS Fruity
What's worse- having men accused of beating women resign or electing one to the White House twice and then voting for his crime covering wife?
When did Bill ever beat Hillary or any other woman?
According to Jaunita Brodderick he raped her and left her with a busted lip.
Bubba assaulted Hillary on a regular basis and probably punched her a few times. Because of their political goals, they kept it quiet.
I'm sure you have proof of this, and it's not at all a lie.
See how it works now Sandy? Of course I have to say, when that accusation was made, obviously accusations didn't hold the same weight as proof, evidently, or at least for Bill Clinton. That accusation has been made ever since then and has never stood the test of proof. Was or is there something more to this? Does being a leading Democrat come with a get out of jail card or permission to commit rape or abuse without consequences?
The MSM and the Democrats, which are the same thing, are absolutely disgusting to me. I wonder if you can see the difference in how their messaging is extremely skewed to the left?
Hillary Clinton, who would be the person best in the position to know, never accused her husband of assaulting her. Nor did she ever produce pics of herself with a shiner inflicted by him.
It's pretty rich that you're complaining of bias while trying to equate Trump's support of a man accused by two past wives of abuse, one of whom produced photographic evidence, with a RB's out-of-thin-air accusation.
I'm not defending Trump. I defending the first sentence in the article, ' Peoples lives are being shattered and destroyed by a mere allegation'. And if you take that in context with the rest of my comments, neither of us know what Trump knew or had seen at the time he made his statement. In case you haven't become aware of it, the media has an agenda and report accordingly. I'm still have the desire to know instead of being manipulated by the media, since I'm aware that is their agenda.
No, you're just equating his defense of a man with multiple substantiated allegations of abuse by the victims of that abuse with RB's accusations against Bill Clinton, when Bill's alleged victim (Hillary, according to RB) certainly never made such accusations.
Substantiated accusations by the actual victims are not to be equated to dreamt-up allegations by somebody in no position at all to have any knowledge of the abuse he's fabricating.
Equating them reveals your bias, and agenda.
See how that works?
Oh well, you can believe what you want Sandy. When did these accusations first appear? And more important, when did they occur? How long would you wait before you accused your husband of abusing you in such a manner if it happened to you?
Let me just say if I was a woman and it happened to me once, he'd be in jail or at least a restraining order right away. Like I said before, I'm defending the first sentence in the article, not Trump. We all know Trump and his personality. I don't even care for it, but things aren't always as they appear to be. That's why I like to use 'Due Process' in cases like this. Trump just keeps the media and the Trump haters riled up all the time. I use to not like that, but after seeing how corrupt they've been, I realize anyone else would have not had the balls to take them on, the MSM and Democrats, that is.
"When did these accusations first appear? And more important, when did they occur?"
.
Really ?
You are going to question the WIVES and Former Girlfriends' stories? Stories the Police had known for years and the FBI had warned this bullshit Administration about over a year ago?
Let's hope no one punches your daughter , wife, or mother, because it would be pretty pathetic you demanding proof as to 'WHEN' they got punched/abused.
Pretty damn pathetic
Like I said originally, I don't know much about this matter. I was defending the first sentence in the article.
By the way, if someone abused my daughter and she told be about it or I found out some other way, I wouldn't need any proof, I'd jump on him like a mad dog and I'm sure you would too. Now I didn't know about the information you provided in your comment about the police and the FBI. If this is true, that definitely puts a new light on the subject. If Trump knew about that it puts a new light on the subject.
Still I defend the first sentence in the article and the article contains no more information such as what you have provided. Unless there is proof and I'm not involved personally I'm not going to convict everyone who is accused of something until the proof is provided.
Neither was recent.
That doesn't seem to be stopping you from casting aspersions on those involved, and those who have been following it.
And I was responding to RexBlock's unfounded accusations, which you jumped in to defend as just as believable as Porter's ex-wive's accusations.
Ivana accused Donald of beating and raping her.
Not according her he didn't.
I remember that. I also remember how quiet things got around the time that they finally reached a divorce settlement. I've also been surprised by how quiet Marla Maples has been since their divorce. It took me a while to figure out that he has the money to work those confidentiality agreements like a boss.
Further insight into his character was revealed in a 1994 interview on Prime Time Live . He said, “I don’t want to sound like a chauvinist, but when I come home at night and dinner’s not ready, I go through the roof.” He also said, “I tell friends who treat their wives magnificently [and] get treated like crap in return, 'Be rougher and you’ll see a different relationship.'”
Oh, sure, she walked back the accusation after she made it. But I'm sure the fact that she has a gag order on her has nothing to do with that /s
But he "cherishes women".
Not to mention a guaranteed electronic deposit in an account for a period of years as long as the non-disclosure requirements are met.
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Perhaps all of you are missing the 'real point' here. It is within the realm of Trumpian conservative flake flourish that these supposedly beaten women were 'manhandled' in self defense by the men who are the real victims in these matters.
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That flourish is easily understood. Being a total pussy who's afraid of being beaten by his wife, and too much of a coward to go to the store for a bag of chips without packing heat, is simply your typical right wing male these days.