Trumpsters, You Need To Take Personal Responsibility For Your Ignorance
I was just reading an article on the alt-right , conspiracy tinged website Zerohedge . The article has to do with the Trump proposal to take half of food stamp benefit money and use it to send the poor prepackaged food supplies instead of letting them buy their own. The article is happy about this, largely saying that the poor should avoid being poor in the first place by demonstrating "personal responsibility".
The article though, mostly made me think about a couple other things I have been reading this morning , related to Donald Trump's tweetstorm over the weekend.
On this President's Day, when the nation is supposed to contemplate the greatness of our best leaders throughout history, we are also left to contemplate the strange fool we now have in the office.
Trump has made an endless string of ridiculous, dishonest, self-serving and confused statements to the nation since he became a "politician". In the past two days he has gone about as low as he can.
The president* tried to use the tragedy in the Florida high school to defend himself over the Russian meddling issue, and in doing so attacked the nation's law enforcement.
Read that sentence again, and see if it sounds allright.
"The president then retired to his private quarters and sent two controversial tweets before midnight.
The first blamed the FBI for the shooting. He wrote after 11 p.m. Saturday , “Very sad that the FBI missed all of the many signals sent out by the Florida school shooter. This is not acceptable. They are spending too much time trying to prove Russian collusion with the Trump campaign — there is no collusion. Get back to the basics and make us all proud!”"
Once again, Trump is flirting with 'obstruction of justice', and quite openly. And as more than one commentator on this has said or implied , "the FBI can walk and chew gum at the same time". The signs were not missed in Florida because "Russia" is being investigated. Trump is lying.
One wonders though if there isn't a breaking point when the FBI might turn against him, even though it is always said that most FBI agents are conservatives. There is only so much bullshit one can endure from a jackass like Trump until you get fed up.
Trump went on in another tweet to 'correct' his national security adviser HR McMaster, who had criticized the Russians for meddling in the US election. Trump said McMaster failed to mention the uranium deal, Hillary's emails, bla bla bla.
So someone in his administration criticized Russia in the wake of the 13 indictments of Russians accused of tampering in the election, and all Trump can do is say it's all Hillary's fault.
We are long past time for the Trumpsters to have to look themselves in the mirror and admit they have been worthless toadies as they have lent this travesty of a president* their support, and promise to change themselves into responsible American citizens again, like they constantly implore the poor to do.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-lashes-out-over-russia-probe-in-angry-and-error-laden-tweetstorm/2018/02/18/8224b7de-14ce-11e8-8b08-027a6ccb38eb_story.html?utm_term=.73cc8c01cf33
WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. — President Trump lashed out with fresh anger about the intensifying Russia probe over the weekend, accusing Democrats of enabling a foreign adversary to interfere in the 2016 election and attacking the FBI as well as his own national security adviser.
In a defiant and error-laden tweetstorm that was remarkable even by his own combative standards, Trump stewed aloud about the latest indictments brought by special counsel Robert S. Mueller III against Russians for their elaborate campaign to denigrate the Democratic presidential nominee, Hillary Clinton, and push voters toward Trump.
The president seized on Mueller’s evidence of the expansive scope of the Russian influence efforts to claim that the indictments exonerated him and proved there was “no collusion.” But the special counsel’s investigation of possible complicity between Russia and the Trump campaign is continuing, as is the examination of whether Trump has sought to obstruct justice.
In a string of 10 Twitter messages — which began after 11 p.m. Saturday and ended around noon Sunday, and which included profanity and misspellings — Trump opened a window into his state of mind, even as Trump’s representatives at a global security conference in Germany advised jittery allies to generally ignore the president’s tweets.
Trump’s latest attacks built on remarks last week in which he misrepresented the evidence revealed by Mueller. He tweeted falsely, “I never said Russia did not meddle in the election.” He blamed President Barack Obama’s administration for doing “nothing” to stop the intrusion. Trump rebuked national security adviser H.R. McMaster for publicly saying the evidence of Russian interference was “incontrovertible.”
And he held the FBI responsible for last week’s devastating shooting at a Parkland, Fla., high school that left 17 dead. Trump tweeted that the bureau was committing so many resources to the Russia probe that it missed “all of the many signals” about the shooter.
One topic Trump avoided in his missives was punishment of Russia. The president did not spell out how his administration might seek to retaliate against the Russians or how it may try to protect the U.S. electoral system from continued attacks, which the nation’s intelligence chiefs warned last week should be expected.
“What is it we’re going to do about the threat posed by the Russians?” James R. Clapper Jr., who was director of national intelligence during the 2016 election, said on CNN. “He never talks about that. It’s all about himself.”
[ Doubting the intelligence, Trump pursues Putin and leaves a Russian threat unchecked ]
In fact, Trump blamed the various domestic investigations into Russia’s intrusions — as opposed to the interference itself — for sowing discord in America.
The president tweeted Sunday , “If it was the GOAL of Russia to create discord, disruption and chaos within the U.S. then, with all of the Committee Hearings, Investigations and Party hatred, they have succeeded beyond their wildest dreams. They are laughing their asses off in Moscow. Get smart America!”
Trump sent the messages from his Mar-a-Lago estate in Palm Beach, Fla., where he was ensconced for two days. He spent much of the time watching cable news, venting to friends about the Russia investigation and complaining that it has been driving so much press coverage, according to people who have spoken to him. The president also surveyed Mar-a-Lago Club members about whether he ought to champion gun control measures in the wake of last week’s school massacre in nearby Parkland, telling them that he was closely monitoring the media appearances by some of the surviving students, according to people who spoke with him there.
The White House is under siege for its handling of domestic abuse allegations against former staff secretary Rob Porter, which in turn has drawn unwelcome attention to its security clearance process and the tenuous status of senior adviser and presidential son-in-law Jared Kushner. Two of Trump’s Cabinet secretaries — David Shulkin at the Department of Veterans Affairs and Scott Pruitt at the Environmental Protection Agency — are under scrutiny over taxpayer reimbursement for their luxury travel.
Meanwhile, salacious new accounts of Trump’s alleged extramarital affairs have created headlines. The New Yorker on Friday detailed a former Playboy centerfold’s claim of a relationship with Trump and reported that the publisher of the National Enquirer had paid the model $150,000 to buy the rights to her story. Also last week, Trump’s longtime personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, said that shortly before the 2016 election he had used his personal funds to “facilitate” a $130,000 payment to a porn star who goes by the name Stormy Daniels and had alleged a sexual relationship with Trump.
[ Salacious new claims surface about a Trump affair and alleged coverup ]
Rick Wilson, a Republican strategist based in Florida and a Trump critic, said the president’s tweets read to him like “a cry for help.”
“He must be feeling a lot of different pressures building on him right now — personal and political and legal,” Wilson said. “He must feel like he has to sweep all the pieces off the chess board and try to restart. But these problems can’t be papered over by tweets.”
You know what isn't acceptable? Blaming everyone but the shooter and the lack of gun control in our country. You even blamed the students. We did report him, we tried. But how were we supposed to know what would happen? Your lack of sympathy proves how pitiful of a person you are
It's sad that the FBI is more interested in digging up dirt on Trump that following up on all kinds of leads about a potential school shooting.My faith in the left wing nut jobs has been proven right again. I see that they are busy at work weaponizing and politicizing a high school shooting tragedy by organizing large scale walkouts, protests, and marches that are simply directed toward Trump, and which won't do a damn thing toward preventing another shooting.
Lots of things are sad. I can think of many right off the top of my head. Also sad it that history will record that Trump has effectively purged the FBI of pretty much all of its top leadership, Republicans all. Nobody ever accused the FBI of being too liberal before now and there are damn good reasons for that including that the FBI is the most conservative of all government cultures. Because it was and remains so. Still, everybody left at our Justice Department and at the he FBI are all Trump appointees but even they, Jeff Sessions, Rod Rosenstein and Christopher Wray, are holding on by the tips of their fingers waiting to hear Trump's tagline, "You're Fired". Sad? Indeed it is that even before this latest crisis Donald Trump and the gop had attacked and removed our nations top professional career law enforcement in order to effect a cover-up. Truly, sad that at a time of our nation's greatest need all the top ranks of the FBI and the Justice Department had been purged by one Donald J. Trump.
Yeah! That's a great idea. /S Let's finish the job. Purge every last remaining career professional from our justice system. After all, they merely dedicated their lives and their careers to enforcing our laws and defending our Constitution from our enemies both foreign and domestic. Why do not owe them jack shit. Ruined careers and decimated ranks will have no adverse effect on law enforcement. Tell them all, "You're Fired". You are brilliant. Did any of that really require a /s?
Mrs Clinton has not held public office for five years and Barack Obama has been out of office for over a year. Always remember to remind everyone whenever you hear someone falsely claim that Barack Obama's was a corrupt administration that exactly zero no nada zip Obama campaign or administration officials have ever been indicted by any prosecutor in any jurisdiction of malfeasance in office and that is because it actually is, as even Jeff Sessions had to remind the gop in congress, "Necessary to have evidence crimes were committed to plead for indictments". These facts must gall you and that is because it is all the god's honest truth so nothing you could ever produce would convincingly prove things to be otherwise. Reality has a liberal bias...
Which fox is that, Fox "news" ?
So you are claiming that life long Republicans were protecting Obama, Hillary, and the rest of his administration???
One thing is for sure the gop can never ever again claim to be the party of law and order. Never again...
Reality, maybe you should try and visit it sometime
Bad decision by her but no evidence of anything. She still did exactly what she said she'd do, she went along with the FBI's decision.
Trump has definitely been good for comedians around the world.
Please cite your evidence to the contrary. Apparently folks find him rather absurd.....he's the subject of ridicule and scorn around the world.
There are even floats ridiculing Trump and his tiny hands and fragile ego:
The time has come to stop pretending that Trump supporters are capable of not being deplorable. Hillary nailed it with that word, just like Trump nailed it when he said he could commit murder in broad daylight and his supporters would still support him.
Despicable is more like it.
Hillary nailed it when she stole her nomination in front of everyone's faces, got inside info about upcoming debates, told a crowd of coal miners how she couldn't wait to fire them and then was surprised when they wouldn't vote for her, proceeded to lose an election she was given a 98% chance to win and has refused to exit gracefully from the stage like most failed candidates do. And the left still defends her.
Comparing Hillary to Trump is like comparing rain to sewage.
Generally speaking rain doesn't deserve to be insulted like that but i could agree that the Sea Hag is like one type of rain.
Acid Rain .....
It's okay, sewage feels slighted too.
Lol perhaps but at least things can grow in sewage.
Acid rain more or less kills everything good it touches. And continues to stop good things from growing long after it has fallen.
Just like HRC.
Oh, give it up, Sparts, before I start feeling sorry for you (well, more sorry for you).
Anytime someone criticizes trump they bring up Hillary. It is all they have.
Their blind allegiance is actually a little scary if not hypocritical. The things they praise about trump, they would be offended and throw a fit if it was said by Obama. I have come to the conclusion that they want government entities torn down. They relish the thought, all the while claiming to be patriotic.
The truth seems to hit you harder than most. Poor thing!
Hillary was "punished" for being right. Many Trump supporters are low intelligence, low morality, racists, conspiracy nuts, and right wing media stooges. The rest of us have to stop pussy footing around this issue and tell it like it is.
It is a shame that events in America have come to this, but they have, and being a nice, "both sides do it" bystander isnt going to cut it any more. We have to rid the nation of Trump and his deplorable support.
There, fixed it for you John.
Welcome to your brave new world.
Sparty, you can temporarily hide from the obvious truth, but not for long.
Nothing compares to the travesty of the Trump presidency and Trump as a despicable human being in high office, and hopefully once he is gone it will be a long time before the nation has to endure a truly disturbing farce like this again.
Yup....all 62,000,000 million of us!
Meh, even if that were true this country is much more resilient than a shitty POTUS. We prove that time and again. Last time? 2008 to 2016 ...... we survived that, we can survive anything.
You are brainwashed. The economy was improving greatly before Trump. But even if he has 'helped' make the economic outlook a little better, you will support a complete asshole just because the economy is doing well?
Would Pence fuck it up that bad? You have no faith in any other "conservative" but this clown and jagoff Donald J Trump?
That IS sad.
I see you're new to this game of "trying to be clever."
And there it is. The last vestige of somebody with nothing of substance to add.
Whenever I read JR's posts I am reminded of this.
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Trump is a HUGE improvement over the anti-American Democrats Hussein Obama or Hillary. We don't need any more marxist fascist or communist Democrats in power.
Right, we just need authoritarians who are Putin's puppets.
It's definitely true that Trump is the only US president who could be so easily manipulated by a hostile foreign power.
One needs to be "clever" to recognize "clever" and since you clearly are not, you do not.
Now be a good partisan and go poke some pins in your Trump Voodoo dolls ......
As JR laid out, the case against Trump just based on his activities for the last few days, is incredibly damning. Donald Trump is an out-fucking-RAGEOUSLY horrible and horrifying president, without mentioning any more than ONE PERCENT of the incredibly outrageous and horrifying things he has said and done. Trump is a traitor in every sense of the word, and, at this point, so is every single American who still supports him
Good I’m glad you feel that way. Not a day goes by that I’m not glad he beat the hag is hard at work repairing Obama’s damage. The packaged meals sounds like a step in the right direction.
Yeah, the most idiotic, wasteful, expensive and unworkable direction rightwing morons may have ever come up with (and that's a tough bar to clear).
Oh please...spare us the drama. You simply can't get over the election results and continue to vent your frustration here. Never too late to grow up and take personal responsibility for your disturbed thoughts.
Rex, grow up and take PERSONAL responsibility for supporting the most worthless excuse for a human being that has ever disgraced the presidency.
Are you trying to say that Hillary somehow forces Donald Trump to be a worthless piece of shit of a human being?
Take personal responsibilty for your stupidity in supporting him, you Trumpsters. That is what decency requires you to do now.
The election was 16 months ago. Do you have anything relevant to say?
Trump is the WORST human being to ever inhabit the presidency. The fact that doesn't concern you demonstrates the lack of personal responsibility we see evidenced by the deplorables.
Stop whining about the poor and deal with your own shortcomings deplorables! You are betraying your nation.
Good than get over it. Trump won and sixteen months later you're still crying about it.
Norman, you inhabit that part of the world that has been overcome by the constant propaganda and disinformation known as the right wing media machine. In other words, you live in a constant daze of disinformation, conspiracy and nonsense. So there is no need to try and deal with you on a rational basis.
Nonetheless, doesn't it bother you, even a little, that trump used the shooting tragedy in Florida, the deaths of 17 people, mostly young teenagers, in order to try and protect himself from being investigated by federal authorities?
The young people themselves, the survivors, responded to trump with the harshest of criticism for his heartless and self serving tweet about the deaths when he attacked the FBI. Our children know he is a piece of shit, but you don't? When are you going to take personal responsibility for your mistakes on this?
Every reasonably decent and intelligent person is outraged by what Trump has DONE since becoming elected, Dean. Everyone knows that he won; and everyone knows that he did it with Russia's help.
Why is it that the hysterical people in the country accuse others of being "dramatic?"
I don't think Norman is understanding you. Maybe try and translate it into Russian for him.
I seriously don't believe he voted Chicago and Billary - you have that one wrapped up neatly.
The election was 16 months ago. Do you have anything relevant to say?
Well, we all know your answer to that one - NOPE - you definitely have nothing relevant to say - which you do - continuously - like the broken record you are.
Cue the - but, but the popular vote...
Morning loki ...
I have to admit that I was not ready for the first female President of the United States if H. was going to be the choice - yet in the same breath was not ready for Trump either ... if only Biden would have listened to me ..... [sigh]
Just how much decency can a Russian bot have after selling their souls and reality to Putin?
Um! I am fairly certain that Rex did not support hillary clinton.
Amazing the Desperation at this point,
now it is "our" fault Trump got elected,
would be funny, if not so serious
Reminds me of the race in Alabama.. LOL
So, to sum it up, here's what the left believes:
People who've made bad choices or shown no initiative to improve their lives should get a blank check from the taxpayers and rewarded for a lack of effort.
FBI agents not following protocol or stopping a shooter when all the clues they needed fell into their lap is okay, as are partisan agents texting back and forth how much they want to clear the person they are supposed to be investigating.
And of course any extramarital affairs Trump may have had BEFORE he was even president should be front page news after 26 years of hearing the left get outraged over any discussions of Bill Clinton's trysts. The phrase "two consenting adults" and "a private matter" come to mind.
No, that's what rightwingers tell each other what the left believes so they'll always have strawmen to attack. It's basically a perpetual ideological circle jerk.
Nah, but Clintonites SHOULD apologize for THEIR ignorance in almost electing the old Sea Hag. Thank God enough people saw her for the pandering piece of crap that she really is.
I mean really ..... the Dems could have run anyone else and beat Trump. And i do mean ANYONE else.
They did. Her name is Clinton. By 3,000,000 votes.
Irrelevant! Do keep up and try to learn something.
BTW who resides in the White House and works on the Oval Office and is called Mr. President (hint: it is NOT hillary rotten clinton)
What's funny is the Sea Hag lost to the NEW GUY in the last election cycle as well. You would have thought they would have remembered an important point like that for this past election. But, that would be asking too much. They ran her and she lost to the new guy AGAIN!!!!!
Melania trump is a whore, and she is married to a guy that paid off a playmate and a porn star to cheat on her... "Praise Jesus!!!" LMAO!!!
Ah yes, our inclusive left ..... keeping it classy like usual.
Hello NT and stay classy MrFrost, stay classy!
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I THOUGHT that might be a violation!
While it was a violation of the COC, even by my own estimation, it was, quite frankly, my honest, heart-felt opinion of Trump and his supporters. This freak show has to be ended, enough is enough already.
regardless of any other issue, I will never regret kicking the liberal world order out of my country.
if trump has got you all rattled now? it will not get any better from here.
tick / tock
At best, your point of view is a distinct minority. And it will only shrink from here. Trump is turning the young generation against him and thus you. White nationalism is a diminishing ideology also. Even if trump makes it through his term, it is only a matter of time before his deplorable ideas are in the dustbin.
you wish that were true.
seriously, you crack me up.
Cheers
Trump is the champion of "white grievance". The white grievance crowd is getting older and smaller every year. The upcoming generations don't freak out when a minority speaks their mind, they like it. That is the future, Trump is the dying gasps of a bigoted past.
I hate to break it to ya.
do you think these things thru?
the game of Identity politics backfired on the left spectacularly.
America wins, the globalists lose, game over
That "distinct mintority" seems to have screwed up your world. You've been in tantrum mode since November 2016. You seeds here on NT (to include this one) is evidence of that.
Does this mean that the lefts use of identity politics is coming to an end? No more divisive language from you all? Not like I'm going to hold my breath waiting for anything.
I love it when white rightwingers try to pretend they're not racists. Then when they prove that they are and we show them the evidence of it they happily provide on their own they get all huffy and offended that we'd be so mean as to use their own words against them.
Jeremy, why do you express white grievance? How have you been so terribly mistreated in this country?
LOL. You'd probably pee your pants if you got caught in a "hood".
I express a lack of tolerance of the racial that has been pushed on everybody for the past 8 years. You claim to want to do away with this divide then in the very next sentence turn right back to pushing the divide.
It's apparent that you have some "grievance" with whites. But then again, you're a liberal. I disagree with you so that, at least in your mind, makes me a racist. Now you have nothing really of any substance to add, you bring this out in the true failed liberal fashion.
Jeremy, how have you been harmed by having "race" "pushed on" you?
Does it hurt your feelings that racial minorities want to have a viewpoint on American affairs?
And there it is. Still pushing a divide.
No it doesn't. What it does is displays that apparently skin color means that much to you that it determines how you act around and treat others. Must be a sad way to live your life to be shackled to that kind of narrow minded thinking.
soros and crew do not have the power to flip our country, yes they are trying.
and yes (as far as this country goes) they have already failed.
the only fire is in the lefts mind... just laugh at them and enjoy the show.
the show will only get better from here
I enjoy the liberal cry baby trifecta played regularly here on NT. Pick your three horses. Options include but are not limited to:
You got your Racist, White, Male or the:
Misogynist, Bigoted, Gun lover or your:
Tea partier, Flat Earther, Islamophobe or the go to NT trifecta:
Racist, White, Misogynist
It's really tough to not to feel the love from the party of inclusion ..... really!
You are joking ... correct?
Do you realize that JohnRussell by his own admission has racist family members, but they are basically good people because they are ordinary racist .. not white nationalist racists...
.. seems as though some view racism in degrees, just as they do liars, but only within their own lil space - my candidate only lies 30% of the time and is a "ordinary racist" so they are better ... but 'white' rightwingers, they prove they are racist, "and we show them the evidence".......................... Pfft! No wonder the definitions of seriously ugly words like racist and bigot are becoming meaningless - 'individuals' bastardize 'said words' to suit their own 'labeling' purposes!
Scary thing is 'some' appear to actually believes the crap they are spewing.
Have a great day!
Jeremy , you are the one who complains that a black point of view is "pushed on you". How are you harmed by blacks , or other racial minorities having a specific point of view? You are struggling to express yourself about this.
What exactly do you mean by that? Are you one of the racists who was upset that a black guy was a very effective and honorable President?
Jeremy , you are the one who complains that a black point of view is "pushed on you".
No. Doesn't phase me in the least. Especially when it's usually a flawed view in the first place.
I'm not. Doesn't phase me in the least. But then again, like I stated before, skin color doesn't dictate how I act around or treat others.
It's in English. Pretty easy to understand. Unless of course English isn't you first language.
Effective and honorable? When did it become joke day?
It's not at all clear what you meant other than an expression of racial resentment, but I suspect your views are quite common in the confederate states.
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Is that Russia?
How's Putin, today? Must be pretty happy with your Shitbag's work on his behalf.
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Does Putin love it as we attack the Russia/Syria alliance with our military?
Does Putin love it as we strengthen our military?
Does Putin love it as we hurt him financially with our increased oil and gas exports and domestic production?
Does Putin love it when we condemn Russia at the UN?
Trump has taken more actions that have a real affect to hurt Russia than the Russia loving Hillary would ever have implemented.
Putin loves it that Trump and the GOP are his puppets.
Did someone torch a few RW nerves? It certainly smells like it. What is that? RW burnt nerve endings...
They're always at a panic and hysteria level 11.
because talking about something = hysteria = fact
The conservative pedophiles that begged for roy moore to be elected?
Nah, that's just the perpetual butt-hurt smell left over from the 2016 election. It just won't go away.
It's like a combination of burnt rubber and rotten eggs.
No, seriously. You need some new writers. That's shit is just pathetic.
Hitting a little too close to home there girl?
I suggest a case or two of industrial strength Febreze, applied liberally to all surfaces of your home each day. Perhaps that will help you "cover" the smell a little but i doubt it. I bet it's pretty strong there.
Stank does tend to following the source around .....
Oh, darlin' you are sooooo cuuuuutte. Utterly adorable.
Yep, stank free as well ....
Did you do poopy in your big boy pants?
Still can't shake that poop fetish eh?
'Please define the shit,' Normie?? Umm, atheist QUOTED EXACTLY what he called 'that shit.' The one line quote is directly above the one line calling it 'that shit,' it's the childish 'nya, nya, we won and you're still "butt hurt," nya, nya' shit, and it IS pathetic shit, Trump is a fucking lunatic, own it.
So, Trumpetblowers: try to explain why every single head of all of our intelligence agencies (all of whom appointed by Trump) are unanimous that Putin hacked the campaign and are still at it for 2018's elections and your Shitbag® refuses to put sanctions on Russia. He's literally defying the will of a nearly unanimous Congress in order to carry out his orders from the Kremlin and that seems just peachy with you "patriots."
You apparently have no idea of exactly what those sanctiona are, or what they would accomplish.
Clapper Confirms: "17 Intelligence Agencies" Russia Story Was False
During congressional testimony Wednesday, former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper confirmed that the story originally reported by the New York Times that "17 intelligence agencies" confirmed Russia attempted to interfere in the 2016 election has been false all along.
If they have ANY evidence then let it be disclosed to the American people. But so far they refuse to prove their accusations.
WRONG
R U N more ways than U know
Time for this poster to say good bye... Be well all.
The last time something similar to that was said to me was a number of years ago when a good friend of mine who is one of the hardest core Democrat Liberals you would ever meet told me I was ignorant for not knowing the Philippines were presently owned by the USA. Now we know it was the largest territory the USA had at one time, but I thought everyone knew that was a long time ago, but my friend insisted we still had ownership of that country islands and it wasn't up for debate. That was before the smart phones or I would have done a simple google search for him, but when he was proven wrong, that really would get him riled. It was like he was stuck on being right no matter what.
Anyway, I learned a lesson from that and it is never argue with a Liberal and take it seriously, if you know what I mean.