'I Blame Obama'

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Durn that Obama, making us fell bad!  It's all his fault we became so angry.

If only he'd known his place, like sweet Elizabeth Eckford did, then we would have treated him just as well as we treated her and there wouldn't be any racial problems in America.  

That dumb Obama!

I believe you just made Ms Owens point. That picture you posted goes back to the deep south more than 50 years ago. Obama is still reacting and progressives still haven't gotten over it. Perhaps that is why Obama saw fit to react to every little racial story that took place anywhere in the country during his term as President. Most of the time he was wrong. Some of the time he was very wrong. On one occasion he supported an absolute lie that led to the murder of a lot of cops.

Candace Owens, you nailed it!

Do not present as true that which is known to be false.

Certain left wingers on here do it all the time. I can start saving some quotable comments they've made if you don't believe me. Perrie needs to talk to you about the fine art of moderating fairly.

Certain left wingers on here do it all the time. I can start saving some quotable comments they've made if you don't believe me. Perrie needs to talk to you about the fine art of moderating fairly.

Tell you what. YOU DO THAT … and there is one proviso … each one you post MUST be accompanied by the the rebuttal!

And I'll more than match you under the same proviso.

If one must use a sarcasm tag or fictitious tag on this site than it really speaks volumes to the fragile sensibilities of American adults. Hey, I gotta go I think my baby is asking to change his diapers. 

Sarcasm posted as such is no problem … but for the sake of the credibility of a website … OF WHICH YOU ARE NOT THE OWNER, and, FOR WHICH IT COSTS YOU NOTHING TO PARTICIPATE … adverse reaction and rebuttal to false information is not infantile …

… as opposed to think its manly or macho to "piss in people's face and tell them 'it's raining'."

And to all those who call anything "fake news" that doesn't suit their agenda … when the shoe is on the other foot … they're the ones in diapers.

I've seen the comment Greg, and it was a sweeping generalization. If you feel that liberals are doing the same, please flag them, instead of faulting SP for his moderation. Thank you. 

Cheese HA?

It's well known that your repugnant seeds here have caused a loss of ad revenue. Are you trying to take NT down ?

Pretty sure that your far right wing theocratic fascism has alienated everybody here for years now.

The Heartland Institute was instrumental in the death of the vine. They're doing the same thing here.

PH doesn't seem to see it. We will never have a rational conversation here as long as those who derail conversations and post far right wing fascist lies are allowed to stay.

Your comments and seeds have always been to the extreme far right. You derail conversations and force folk to respond to your Heartland Institute lies instead of having a rational discussion.

It is the childish emotional responses by non adult behaving adults in response to the seeds that is the real issue with advertising.

Do you have a translator ? From that to english please.

Mostly I get very positive feedback from them for my seeds here.

Only from the very few other far right wing fascists here.

Skirting the CoC [ph]

Skirting the CoC [ph]

If you feel I'm stalking you, you should report it...But that would take away your ability to whine about something that you are the cause of. 

CoC Violation "BF"

It's amazing isn't it. The righties whine and  cry all day long about how they are being picked on...LMAO so sad for them.

It’s interesting to watch the far left content control freaks complain and demand safety from exposure to beliefs and opinions that they don’t like.

Says the man who defends Donald Trump but thinks that liberals are the source of all problems. The basis of most of your threads is either sweeping generalizations or strawman lies. Or both.

I could name them in a second.

So your saying that the R.A. and mod's are not fair and protect certain people...Wow, after all the nonsense you've pulled on NT and your whining like a little baby...

I suggest that you run your mouth to the RA or the mod's about how unfair they are to the babies on NT.

They take their shots, flag the opposition, then taunt with this shit . Fuck em.

 Koch suckers aren't capable of fucking anyone except themselves...

What exactly is "BF" btw? "Be Friendlier"? I'm really not sure why my comment received a violation. Maybe it stands for "Brilliantly Facetious" and some conservatives simply can't handle it.

Shall we talk about Soros?  Oh, I guess not1

Projecting much?

Not projecting at all, just calling it the way it is...

Have some cheese.

Shall we talk about Soros?

Where do conservatives get the idea that George Soros is some kind of liberal Houdini or evil progressive Rasputin?

I'm a hardcore lefty progressive and he is irrelevant in politics. It's only Fox News viewers that mention him.

His money isn't.  Gosh darn it....I would never have guessed you were hard core progressive.

Gosh darn it....I would never have guessed you were hard core progressive.

If Soros is so important to electing our supported far-left agenda then why aren't liberals his biggest supporters?

"BF" is the moderator

Ah, thank you. Was wondering because it seems 90% of any supposed CoC violations I've received (out of about 5 or 6 in the last two months) said "BF" and I began to wonder which code I was violating.

I don't think BF has been a mod for that long.

Those yelling and angry people in the picture are Democrats...and most of them feel the same way about blacks today, except when pandering for their vote.

Those yelling and angry people in the picture are Democrats...and most of them feel the same way about blacks today, except when pandering for their vote.

Probably so … they were the Southern Democrats who were the ones who devolved into today's Republican Party  … that IN PROTEST OF CIVIL RIGHTS LEGISLATION.

DIXIECRAT …a member of a faction of southern Democrats stressing states' rights and opposed to the civil-rights programs of the Democratic Party, especially a southern Democrat who bolted the party in 1948 and voted for the candidates of the States' Rights Democratic Party. 

Live and learn.

Candidate Candace Owens

Owens claims that women in America have nothing to march about, because "President Trump has elected more women to high-ranking cabinet positions than any president in the history of the United States."   This is a lie .

But also which women could Owens be talking about? Women like   Kellyanne Conway , counselor to the president, who spouts alternative facts? Or   Betsy DeVos , the billionaire education secretary, who wants to arm teachers and cut public education funding? Or maybe   Gina Haspel , the CIA director nominee, who ran a secret torture prison? You decide!

Candace Owens thinks the Nazi protests and murder at Charlottesville were no big deal

Remember the Charlottesville protests last August, when Nazis and Klansmen gathered to chant about how much they love the Confederacy and how much they hate Jews? It culminated in a   Nazi driving his car through a crowd of people , killing one and injuring 19. Here's Owens on Charlottesville:

"White supremacy and the KKK. Really? That's what you guys want me to be concerned with this week? Do I look like an idiot?… Oh my god Charlottesville, white supremacy is alive and well, run!.. Bottom line: I am not too disturbed by the events that happened in Charlottesville."

Candace Owens thinks police brutality is not an issue that affects the black community

This is a view Owens has held for some time. In 2016, she wrote an op-ed titled: " Black men getting shot by police isn’t about racism ."

In 2012,   black people made up 13 percent of the US population and 31 percent of police killing victims . Just look at the recent case of   Stephon Clark , who was shot eight times in the back by police in his family home.

Candace Owens thinks Black Lives Matter are a 'bunch of whiny toddlers'

Candace Owens denies she holds far-right views

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babe

Every oppressed demographic has had its sell outs!

Live and learn.

Yes you should. It is a fact that more Democrats voted against the Civil right act of 1964 than there counterparts.

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Yes you should. It is a fact that more Democrats voted against the Civil right act of 1964 than there counterparts.

Back atcha'!

How did a Deep South state that hadn’t gone Republican since Reconstruction suddenly, with no warning, vote over 95% Republican?

Never happened. 

Back atcha'!

bahaha a opinion piece by a freedom hating feminist, love it.

Facts are facts Republicans have done more for people rights than any other party. Democrats want people to be dependent on government that is a fact. 

As you see on this thread here. Democrats love calling others racist, they use that shit like ketchup. They put it on everything. 

Who was against the 19th Amendment?

Who was against the 15th amendment?

Work on your excuses for that voting record and i'll get back with ya.

How Southern Democrats Became Republicans:

This is one of the most overblown political myths in recent years. Yes, the South is mainly Republican now, but this is a very recent development - within the last 20 years. Look at presidential elections, House and Senate elections, and state governments. Through the 70s and most of the 90s, the South remained reliably Democratic. Only in the 90s really did they start giving ground to Republicans, and it didn't really get going until the early 2000s.

Didn't know it was opposite day again already. 

At what point do you realize that far right wing fascism is insanity?

Yeah, talk about angry and yelling people, a great photo of the right side. 

Those yelling and angry people in the picture are

...conservatives. Party affiliation isn't a good indicator of who embraced racism and bigotry, it's much easier to track by "conservative" and "liberal" which really hasn't changed much in the last 242 years of American history.

It is a fact that more Democrats voted against the Civil right act of 1964 than there counterparts.

That's only true because there were far more Democrats than there were Republicans, but when you look at the vote by party and region, it becomes quite clear that there were more Democrats who voted for it than against it, and in fact 100% of Southern Republicans voted against it and a larger percent of Northern Democrats voted for it than Northern Republicans. The 1964 civil rights act was passed BY DEMOCRATS with a total of 152 house Democrats and 46 Senate Democrats voting for it along with 138 house Republicans and 27 Senate Republicans.

1964 Civil Rights Act:

By party and region
Note: "Southern", as used in this section, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.

The original House version:

Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7–93%)
Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0–100%)
Northern Democrats: 145–9 (94–6%)
Northern Republicans: 138–24 (85–15%)
The Senate version:

Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5–95%)
Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0–100%)
Northern Democrats: 45–1 (98–2%) 
Northern Republicans: 27–5 (84–16%)

en.wikipedia

Those yelling and angry people in the picture are Democrats...and most of them feel the same way about blacks today, except when pandering for their vote.

Why are those racist Dixiecrats now the core voter demographic of the GOP?

Never happened.

The Dixiecrat south flipped from solid blue to blood red in 25 years. Why is that?

This is high school civics knowledge.

The Southern strategy was Richard Nixon 's strategy to whiteify the electorate so Republicans could hold onto power in light of demographic changes. It began as a grab for southern states during the 1968 and 1972 elections: a combination of dog-whistle politics as well as a deliberately racist agenda , effectively throwing any social clout the GOP had right out the window.

It resulted in a total party realignment over issues of civil rights and racism . Democrats went from being the party who opposed civil rights to being the party that passed them, ^[2] and Southerners who were formerly Democrats voted Republican instead, because Republicans opposed progress in those areas to various extents. This was the most significant political realignment in the US since the " New Deal Coalition ," and one that still continues to this day.

The core of the GOP in the south came from the younger people of that era who grew up and became adults and their children along with those of the rust belt to sun belt migration since the early 1970’s.

Don't be obtuse. Many of those voters are still alive and their children and grandchildren are still the racists that they were.  They are now TEAparty evangelical Republicans and the alt-right because the GOP welcomed them to the party when the Democrats pushed them out because of civil rights advances.  Are you going to claim that Roy Moore and Jeff Sessions are Democrats?

My apologies to Delbert McClinton but when you cant lie better than that you might as well tell the truth.

genius

It really is,  I moved to AL in 1974.  Around 1981 we started our campaign to turn our State toward Republican.  Darn, we worked hard.  We had had a Democratic Governor since 1820. 

We elected Guy Hunt in 1987.....it took 67 years for AL to elect a Republican as Governor for the Great State of Alabama.

There were black and white working the phones.....so, put your racist comments you know where.

H. Guy Hunt was run out of office on ethics charges.

Hunt came into office with the goals of bringing more business into the state and improving education. He established a tax reform commission, as well as several committees to look into improvements in education. However, educational leaders in 14 of the state's poorer counties sued the government, arguing that government funds were not equitably distributed. The court agreed, ordering the state to start remedying the problem.

Hunt also pledged that his administration would be "color blind," but was criticized by some Democrats for appointing only one black person in the 23 cabinet positions. He was further criticizing for his support of flying the Confederate flag from the state Capitol building, a practice Wallace had started in defiance of the civil rights movement. The flag was later removed after a court decision. In 1990, Hunt won re-election over Alabama Education Association leader Paul Hubbert. In that race, Republicans were accused of playing off race fears by circulating photos of Hubbert with black political leaders.

Much of Hunt's second term was consumed by controversy over whether he had violated state ethics laws. The investigation began after Hunt was found to have used a state plane to travel to preaching engagements across the South, where he was paid with cash donations. Hunt wrote a check for the expenses and dismissed the controversy as party politics. He also tried to have the investigation stopped on the argument that the ethics probe compromised the separation of powers in the state government, but the court of appeals ruled the investigation legal in 1992. In December of that year, he was indicted on 12 theft and conspiracy charges and one ethics charge. Only the ethics charge could go forward, as the statute of limitations had run out on the other counts.

Hunt went to trial in April of 1993. The remaining felony charge accused him of diverting $200,000 of a tax-exempt $800,000 inaugural fund to banks near his home for personal use. The items ranged from mortgage payments and cattle feed to a riding lawnmower and marble shower stall. The defense argued that Hunt had used the inaugural fund to legally pay back money advanced for a gubernatorial campaign.

The jury found Hunt guilty; the felony conviction automatically expelled him from office and promoted Lieutenant Governor James E. Folsom, Jr., a Democrat (and, at the time of this article, Lieutenant Governor of the state once again). The judge had instructed the jury that excess campaign funds could not legally be used for personal payments, a statute Republicans argued was not regularly enforced. "For a year and a half now practically the whole emphasis of that office has been to try to find something on me," Hunt said. In May of 1993, he was sentenced to five years of probation, 1,000 hours of community service, and a $211,000 fine.

here we go, again. Do you think I don't know that?  What's your point?

here we go, again. Do you think I don't know that?

He isn't a politician that I would be proud of working for and supporting.   But maybe that is just me.

who said anything about proud of Hunt?  We elected a Republican and we were proud. 

who said anything about proud of Hunt?  We elected a Republican and we were proud. 

Just maybe this,

It really is,  I moved to AL in 1974.  Around 1981 we started our campaign to turn our State toward Republican.  Darn, we worked hard.  We had had a Democratic Governor since 1820. 

We elected Guy Hunt in 1987.....it took 67 years for AL to elect a Republican as Governor for the Great State of Alabama.

When you realize the insanity that it is to call all conservatives here far right fascists?

What party does the KKK and the Neo-Nazis support?

Fascism is a far-right political ideal, despite your beliefs.

Yes, and we continue to be Republican.

Anything else?

Yes, and we continue to be Republican.

I'd be shocked if southern conservatives did otherwise, despite the fact that Republican economic policies are hurting you.

Yeah, talk about angry and yelling people, a great photo of the right side.

Tiki torch Nazis are so much fun. 

Calling another member a liar used to be against the coc.

Just because you may believe a spurious claim doesn't mean that it is factually true.

The racism that was espoused by those 1950s Dixiecrats didn't die out when they died, despite what the American Thinker, Breitbart, and Fox News may have convinced you.  

Mags, giving an unethical governor a pass just because he's a Republican?  Proud to do so, even?

Say it ain't so!

One of the bravest women ever.

The women of the Heartland Institute are truly brave.....

How is it brave to be a mouthpiece for failed economic ideas?

Are you being paid to support their policies?

Exactly what did Obama do to damage race relations? Any specifics, or just throwing shit at the wall and hoping in sticks. 

Seems like it's what both sides do these days.  Turnabout being fairplay?

Exactly what did Obama do to damage race relations?

Obama was elected President of the United State and he was, um, darker than a brown paper bag.

The melanin challenged having abused brown skinned Americans for centuries were upset by this...

Kanye is reported opiod addicted, off his bi-polar meds and suffering a manic episode for pete sake.

The gop is flogging Kanye's recent statements as proof the gop isn't racist. That is plainly NOT true.

Obama was elected President of the United State and he was, um, darker than a brown paper bag...

At least "Half" of the "Paper Bag" anyway.

"Exactly what did Obama do to damage race relations?
Obama was elected President of the United State and he was, um, darker than a brown paper bag.

The melanin challenged having abused brown skinned Americans for centuries were upset by this..."

And it's exactly answers like that which make race baiters expose themselves as the hypocrites they are. Anybody who automatically dismisses all the valid criticisms of Obama as racism does a disservice to the real racism that has been part of this county's history. The left has played the race card so many times that any accusation of racism is now meaningless and worthy of nothing more than an eye roll. Your infantile answer does nothing to explain the FACT that people who voted for Obama later voted for Trump. You'd have to do some real thinking to understand why the left has lost those voters permanently.

From my experience (my oldest son being black) when the former President spoke out [lack of a better term] supporting the idea that Travyon Martin was dead/murdered because he was black, changed the conversation at my house.

There is no way of knowing if race was a motivator in the death of Trayvon Martin .. NBC altered audio from the 911 call to make it sound racial ... I tend to think that Zimmerman was a loose cannon and that anyone that decided to confront him that night 'most likely' would have been shot .. but hey why not make it about race?  (Honestly surprised he has not killed again ... he def made the news, and it involved anger and a weapon - no race as a factor though)

By the time Michael Brown rolled around, I was sincerely dreading what the President might say .... my son did not support Mr. Obama politically, but he did believe that the President understood race .. so let the battles begin - I was a racist, his lil brother was racist [put it this way his white half was made up of racists] 

I cannot, and do not blame the former President for the things that have transpired - yet his words were a catalyst ....... the man is a great orator, and he def got his message across, that America is racist [it is in the DNA] and that there is a conversation that is needed - yet, he did not broach this much needed conversation, he talked circles around it ... America cannot understand, because America is racist .. rinse/repeat!

I admit, I was naïve - I sincerely believed that with the election of the first mixed race president ....... that America had moved on - I had no idea that racism would become such a prominent feature in many aspects of everyday life.

This Candace Owens individual needs to eliminate the 'blame' from her message ... did Obama help racial issues in America, No.. did Obama magnify what he considered racial issues, yes .... did he cause said issues, NO - so let it go..  

Just my opinion based on my experience Kavika .. 

did Obama help racial issues in America, No.. did Obama magnify what he considered racial issues, yes

what are the specifics that you are referring to (in your opinion) ?

Guess I do not have a specific beyond the former Presidents choice of words .. where Martin Luther King inspired through his words of "I have a dream"  the former President inspires through this input a week after the Zimmerman verdict (?)

The African-American community is also knowledgeable that there is a history of racial disparities in the application of our criminal laws — everything from the death penalty to enforcement of our drug laws. And that ends up having an impact in terms of how people interpret the case. Now this isn’t to say that the African-American community is naive about the fact that African-American young men are disproportionally [sic] involved in the criminal justice system; that they’re disproportionally [sic] both victims and perpetrators of violence. It’s not to make excuses for that fact, although black folks do interpret the reasons for that in a historical context; they understand that some of the violence that takes place in poor black neighborhoods in this country is born out of a very violent past in this country, and that the poverty and dysfunction that we see in those communities can be traced to a very difficult history. And so the fact that sometimes that’s unacknowledged adds to the frustration. And the fact that a lot of African-American boys are painted with a broad brush and the excuse is given, “Well there’s these statistics out there that show that African-Americanboys are more violent” — using that as an excuse to then see sons treated differently causes pain.

I think the African-American community is also not naive in understanding that statistically, somebody like Trayvon Martin was probably statistically more likely to be shot by a peer than he was by somebody else. So folks understand the challenges that exist for African-American boys. But they get frustrated, I think, if they feel that there’s not context for that, and that context is being denied; and — and that all contributes, I think, to a sense that if a white male teen was involved in the same kind of scenario, that from top to bottom, both the outcome and the aftermath might’ve been different.

My son was impacted by these words .. perhaps influenced (as I read in your next post) is the best choice of words .. all I can say is things changed at home .. I felt as though there was a bit of racial baiting in the presidents last sentence especially  ... seems I am unable to come up with a specific .. subtly / insinuation is what works though ... correct?

My son was impacted by these words .. perhaps influenced (as I read in your next post) is the best choice of words .. all I can say is things changed at home .. I felt as though there was a bit of racial baiting in the presidents last sentence especially  ... seems I am unable to come up with a specific .. subtly / insinuation is what works though ... correct?

you do have valid points, i appreciate your response and your thoughts. Although i am unsure if it was "racial baiting" as opposed to giving his opinion and thoughts coming from someone who isn't considered a "white male" (by appearance). Maybe he was just bringing to the surface some of the racial tensions that already existed ? I can't say for sure, I don't know.

Although i am unsure if it was "racial baiting" as opposed to giving his opinion and thoughts coming from someone who isn't considered a "white male" (by appearance). Maybe he was just bringing to the surface some of the racial tensions that already existed ? I can't say for sure, I don't know.

As I sit here and reflect .. timing was bad (?) .. there was discourse / division over the verdict across the nation and [for lack of better terminology] the former President seemingly chose a side (?) ... I do not know either.. it all comes down to personal perception and interpretation...

My lil family is still working through some things, but things have improved : )

Thank you for the civil exchange .. much appreciated..

Do you think that the meme's, comments, signs etc that depicted Obama as a monkey among many other vile things and the attacks on Michelle Obama enhanced race relations? Even today on NT the wording used by some is vile and really sucks regarding the Obama's....

That is how I see it, Colour.

timing was bad (?) ..

that is a point that i've heard brought up before too - but then my question is: when is the timing not bad ?

there was discourse / division over the verdict across the nation and [for lack of better terminology] the former President seeminglychose a side (?) ...

i absolutely agree - there was much diversion and discourse over that incident and others of that nature for sure. Do you think that some people felt the President seemingly chose a side due to the fact he wasn't of "their party" and they already disliked him (for whatever reason) ?

I do not know either.. it all comes down to personal perception and interpretation...

Yes, i think in many ways it does, seems to be an issue to "charge the base" on whichever side you are on (if you chose a side).

My lil family is still working through some things, but things have improved : )

that's great to hear

Thank you for the civil exchange .. much appreciated..

likewise - i think to get to the root of any of these issues, we need a civil exchange and to try to understand what people are thinking, perceiving etc.

Do you think that the meme's, comments, signs etc that depicted Obama as a monkey among many other vile things and the attacks on Michelle Obama enhanced race relations? Even today on NT the wording used by some is vile and really sucks regarding the Obama's....

very good question. i honestly don't think it helped at all and only served to further divide while still blaming someone else.

Do you think that the meme's, comments, signs etc that depicted Obama as a monkey among many other vile things and the attacks on Michelle Obama enhanced race relations? Even today on NT the wording used by some is vile and really sucks regarding the Obama's....

I was so oblivious to that nastiness until I began reading Newsvine in early 2011 .. it was/is still sickening.  I do not know what the potential affect on race relations is because of it (certainly did not enhance it), yet I do know that one must understand that those that speak that way are unreachable ... they are cloaked in anger and resentment that I do not even think they themselves truly understand.....

This was your question Kavika:

Exactly what did Obama do to damage race relations?

You did not ask what the nastiness of the opposition had to do with race relations.... 

Racial conflict, cruelty over an individuals skin colour makes NO sense to me ... Michelle Obama was vilified so severely, but if one was to pay attention, they would discover that she was a rather down to earth individual in many ways .. I did not have to agree with her, in order to respect her.. I hold her in high regard!

but then my question is: when is the timing not bad ?

And it is a good question .. one thing that I do not understand about Americans .. is why can 'we' not have a discussion outside of the scope of an immediate crisis .. why not continue the dialogue past the tragedy?  but 'we' never do!  Seems once something is not in the headlines, it is forgotten until the next time it happens .. then everything explodes once more - tensions run high, and NO one is listening to anyone .. frustrating...

Do you think that some people felt the President seemingly chose a side due to the fact he wasn't of "their party" and they already disliked him (for whatever reason) ?

NO, but yeah I can see that being a factor for some partisan individuals ... but not for me.  Oddly enough I was in the middle of a 5 year relationship with a black man when Travyon Martin was killed .. even he had to choke on the words coming from the President, he felt that the President should have tried to be more unifying.  (trust me, this man danced around singing the praises of President Obama, supported him 100)

(if you chose a side).

I understand playing for a 'team' ... but I do not understand partisanship ... once again something that just not make sense to me ...

Hopefully I have expressed myself clearly .. I have some difficulty putting all my thoughts into words, most of the time...

Peace...

And it is a good question .. one thing that I do not understand about Americans .. is why can 'we' not have a discussion outside of the scope of an immediate crisis .. why not continue the dialogue past the tragedy?  but 'we' never do!  Seems once something is not in the headlines, it is forgotten until the next time it happens .. then everything explodes once more - tensions run high, and NO one is listening to anyone .. frustrating...

i completely agree - it seems "we" only pounce on issues that are "popular" at the moment (whether good or bad) and as soon as something else grabs the headline, we forget the prior issue existed until it becomes "popular" again. It's extremely frustrating because "we" just spin our wheels constantly and never get anywhere - then complain that we never get anywhere instead of actually doing something about it.

NO, but yeah I can see that being a factor for some partisan individuals ... but not for me.  Oddly enough I was in the middle of a 5 year relationship with a black man when Travyon Martin was killed .. even he had to choke on the words coming from the President, he felt that the President should have tried to be more unifying.  (trust me, this man danced around singing the praises of President Obama, supported him 100)

I've heard that too from other Obama supporters and non-supporters alike. I guess it is all about perception and interpretation. i think Obama tried to look at it from the position of racial tensions and from the position of a parent - but i also think he failed at communicating that effectively, but i don't think that he was the cause of "racial divides" or furthering anything that wasn't already in existence (at least i haven't seen any credible evidence to indicate as much, if i see some credible evidence then i will reevaluate my position).

I understand playing for a 'team' ... but I do not understand partisanship ... once again something that just not make sense to me ...Hopefully I have expressed myself clearly .. I have some difficulty putting all my thoughts into words, most of the time...

Peace...

I don't understand the partisanship thing either - it's blinding to logical thought most times. I think you have expressed yourself quite clearly, i appreciate your time and efforts Peace to you as well !!

Your buddy George Zimmerman is back in the news.....

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That is how I see it, Colour.

Same here. 

Exactly what did Obama do to damage race relations?

very good question. I don't remember Obama passing any laws or anything that stated people must be racist (or more racist). It seems as tho the argument is being made that people were influenced to become racist (or become more racist) - yet no one could be influenced to vote a certain way for this past election (a separate argument but on the same lines of influence). Seems a bit odd to me. Are people influenced or not ?

Exactly what did Obama do to damage race relations?

For starters ...

• Cambridge police/Henry Louis Gates
• Trayvon Martin
• Michael Brown
• Freddie Gray

For starters ...

• Cambridge police/Henry Louis Gates
• Trayvon Martin
• Michael Brown
• Freddie Gray

ok, so what specifically did he do in these situations to cause damage to race relations ?

ok, so what specifically did he do in these situations to cause damage to race relations ?

Oh! Oh! teacher, teacher.!....call on me!......I know the answer!  He committed the worst sin in the eyes of racists....he told the truth about it and them. 

ok, so what specifically did he do in these situations to cause damage to race relations ?

I provided key words for research. Anyone can type them into a search engine. I'm certainly not going to re-litigate old issues, because that would be off-topic. Please feel free to do your own research if you're not familiar with those cases.

I'm certainly not going to re-litigate old issues, because that would be off-topic.

Does that mean you recognized your own BS and your way of saying "I got nothin" and need a quick escape route?

I provided key words for research. Anyone can type them into a search engine. I'm certainly not going to re-litigate old issues, because that would be off-topic. Please feel free to do your own research if you're not familiar with those cases.

i'm familiar with the cases - but not specifically what Obama did in these cases that caused damage to race relations, which is what i'm asking you. What specifically did he do in these situations to cause damage to race relations ? (and this is on topic - since that is what the article is about. If you cannot answer this question - then please just say so, it's perfectly alright)

Does that mean you recognized your own BS and your way of saying "I got nothin" and need a quick escape route?

No. I very clearly stated that you can do your own research about the key words I provided.

Cambridge police/Henry Louis Gates Trayvon Martin Michael Brown Freddie Gray

For starters ...

• Cambridge police/Henry Louis Gates
• Trayvon Martin
• Michael Brown
• Freddie Gray

Based on this list, i would say you have provided a perfect reason why race relations wont ever be fixed. Obama raised the idea that a choice was made by those in authority  and there response was not appropriate when interacting with these CITIZENS.

And yet time after time video after video there is proof that some police officers cant control themselves when interacting with black people( cop pulls gun on mentos buyer) and for obama to ask or suggest it is time for police depts to take a look at themselves and see if they are correctly responding to the citizenry is a reasonable request. 

Because sadly marches and videos and protests have occurred before and after these names and in many of those cities NOTHING has changed. But i know and others know change can happen if you kill the right citizen. ugh 

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In the end kanye has body guards to shield him, she lives away from the streets, and that alone changes her ability to criticize the former president in any form.  

and for obama to ask or suggest it is time for police depts to take a look at themselves and see if they are correctly responding to the citizenry is a reasonable request.

You cannot deny that former President Obama is also lawyer who should have waited for evidence and facts before publicly expressing his opinions about each of the cases I presented.

You cannot deny that former President Obama is also lawyer who should have waited for evidence and facts before publicly expressing his opinions about each of the cases I presented.

The aforementioned Obama speech quote was from AFTER the Zimmerman trial. As a lawyer, he need not wait until after the case is litigated before expressing his opinion. In fact, lawyers opine on cases pre-trial every day on cable, ask Rudy. 

well i call bullshit on your reply. mainly because he is a not a criminal court lawyer so he is not forced to wait for that process to take hold before he is allowed to give his opinion. 

The issue again is this lady and kanye dont represent people of color in any way because they dont have any connection to them. the president spent enough time on the streets to know that (based on your names) black people are tired of being judged or treated with a higher level of sensitivity and lower tolerance of use of force when it is displayed. 

in the end, based on your list, the part that MANY PEOPLE OF ALL COLORS agree on is that the result of death is not always the necessary way of dealing with black citizens. 

and sadly Mr Gates, provided the most basic principals of why police are not trusted when an officer can act that way on private property. A principal which is why america was founded. And as a constitutional lawyer, the president knew the officer was wrong as soon as he knew that there was no burglary in progress. because the police do not have rights to be present on private property when no exigent circumstances or probable cause exists. 

But as President of all the people he’s held to a higher standard than any regular lawyer commenting on a public case.

When the POTUS comments on anything, he/she isn't doing so as a lawyer. One would think that as a Trump supporter you would acknowledge that the concept of the POTUS being held to a higher standard is forever moot. 

When ever there was a fire somewhere, obama was always right there with the can of gasoline instead of the extinguisher.

Burning the place down is what y'all elected Trump to do, so why the issue with Obama getting a start on your goal? 

Trump has made America great again and now we are going to Keep America 🇺🇸 Great!

Delusion. 

Kavika, a certain element among whites was "triggered" when Barack Obama ran for president, and then especially when he won. 

The first black president's appearance roughly coincided chronologically with the theme known as "fear of a black planet", which is a pop shorthand for changing racial demographics in America (and the "West" in general including Europe". 

Approximately three weeks after Obama took office in 2009 Tea Party demonstrations were being organized against his presidency. Many of the tea party demonstrations had an open and obvious anti-black subtext. 

This was all related to the fear of a black planet , that was emphasized and exacerbated by the ascent of a black man to the most prominent public position in the country. Suddenly, minority issues would be at the forefront much more often, and many whites did not want that and could not accept that. They claimed that "their" country was being taken away from them by someone who, according to birther mythology wasn't even born here. The birtherism, and the tea party, and the fear of a black planet, and the claim that Obama was making race relations worse were all part of the same belief system. 

The main issue....ACA

it was all about opposing deficits and tax increases.

Obama cut the deficit by 65% while expanding the tax cuts to 95% of working Americans and making them permanent. But the haters will continue to hate, they don't care what the actual record was, the hate they have for Obama is as obvious as the skin on his face, which was really all it took for them to stoke their unwarranted fears and hate. 

The main issue....ACA

Now those poor republicans want to protect the healthcare coverage that the ACA gave them and still blame Obama.

We are still waiting for Trump's plan that will cover all Americans for cheaper. Maybe the next porn star that he sleeps with will explain that policy to him and his Russian advisors.

After he raised the deficit by a staggering amount when he and his friends wrote the FY2009 budget in Feb/March 2009 to 1.6 trillion.

The FY 2009 budget was passed through Congress and signed by GW Bush in Sept. of 2008. Of course, Bush never included the cost of the 'War on Terror' in ANY of his budgets. 

wasn't signed until President Obama took office in 2009

"The FY 2009  budget deficit  was $1.413 trillion"

So first, the deficit wasn't $1.6 trillion, that would be a lie according to your own link, and second, it was ALL Bush who authorized it, and Obama that implemented it with Republican support. 

Again, that is FALSE. By design, Bush's budget only funded the Iraq and Afghanistan wars until Jan 20, 2009. There was little to NO funding for 'mandatory spending' In short, Bush set a ticking time bomb and walked away. Yet of course, y'all insist that 'It's Obama's fault'. 

Exactly what did Obama do to damage race relations? Any specifics, or just throwing shit at the wall and hoping in sticks.

He didn't fix the problem and bring all the races together. So ya know...it's all his fault.  It's not the fault of those who support and promote racist rhetoric. /s

That's why I said the other day.....There are so many minority conservatives who are afraid to talk about it.

There are so many minority conservatives who are afraid to talk about it.

Who, exactly? 

I think that in theory it is fair to say that Democrats have not come through for African Americans and other racial minorities and maybe the other side should be given a chance. 

But in reality, those making this argument are often shown to be hustlers, opportunists, publicity seekers, or like Kanye West all of the above plus mentally disturbed. Kanye West has mental health issues and was not that long ago hospitalized for a "psychotic break". 

"Republicans" have no answers for minority groups, only gripes about the attention minority groups gain for themselves. 

Owens added that she supports a potential White House summit on race relations to which West could be invited.

Such a "summit" would be a publicity stunt for Trump, a publicity stunt for Owens, and a publicity stunt for Kanye West. None of these people have any qualifications to lead a "race" summit at the White House. It is bizarre and ridiculous to let these type of hucksters have a role in civil rights activity. 

"It’s been so black and white, the conversation, and I blame [Barack] Obama," Owens said on "Fox & Friends."

"His eight years in office did a lot of damage in terms of race relations in this country."  

It's a free country and she can say whatever hops out of her pie hole. But Candace Owens is no more qualified to pontificate about these issues than any of us are, she simply has wormed her way into a semi-visible role as a right wing cheerleader who gets a little face time on social media. 

Of course, her lack of qualifications has led Trump to declare her as some sort of deep thinker and leader. 

Please. 

Finally a black leader the black community can be proud of instead of ashamed of like Jesse Jackson jr and Sharpton. 

Finally a black leader

Candace Owens is a "black leader"?  ROFL. 

By any objective standard, race relations worsened under Obama. 

Not really a surprise that a  follower of the racist Rev Wright who sees the world through a racial lenses hurt race relations. 

Not really a surprise that a  follower of the racist Rev Wright who sees the world through a racial lenses hurt race relations. 

updated   4/29/2008 4:41:02 PM ET

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