What Manner of Government Administration Calls to its Depraved Hateful Base Via Inhumane Acts?
Sadly, the willingness or ability of the non-Jewish populations to rescue Jewish lives never matched the Nazis’ vehement desire to destroy them.
And now …
The Trump administration’s refugee and border policies cruelly ignore the lessons of the past
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/made-by-history/wp/2018/05/27/the-trump-administrations-refugee-and-border-policies-cruelly-ignore-the-lessons-of-the-past/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.71de943d1eed
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Do spare us the Godwin's Law protest … and understand that Godwin himself, posited a corollary!
Following the controversial Unite The Right Rally neo-Nazi gathering in August 2017, Mike Godwin responded to the controversy on Twitter. On August 13th, 2017, he tweeted [15] …
"By all means, compare these shitheads to Nazis. Again and again. I'm with you." The tweet (shown below) received more than 20,000 retweets and 48,000 likes in less than a week."
Enforcing border security and national sovereignty is now equated to concentration camps and genocide? This is why the left is not taken seriously.
If a burglar breaks into my house and I call the police, then I’m the bad guy and the people who hide him so he can escape justice are the good guys because keeping criminals (and their children) out of my house is like running a Nazi death camp. I really don’t see how anybody can believe this nonsense let alone tell it to anybody else with a straight face.
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Another swing and a miss by A.Mac. Is there a subject or topic in that typographical mess somewhere!
Yeah, let them all in, vetted or not, criminal or not, carrying unknown disease and vermin....and release them into the greater population. Another example of left wing magically beneficent thinking....
Another swing and a miss by A.Mac. Is there a subject or topic in that typographical mess somewhere!
Yeah, let them all in, vetted or not, criminal or not, carrying unknown disease and vermin....and release them into the greater population. Another example of left wing magically beneficent thinking..
Read the legal options and pretend the typography spells words, and, that the words have definitions, and, that altogether, they make sentences … which provide information and express ideas.
Conservative compassion and evangelical supporting ideology … noted.
I guess habits formed in kindergarten are kinda hard to break
Try reading the Constitution A. Mac. Better yet, try to get your "party" to start following the Constitution.
What Manner Of Government Administration Calls To Its Depraved Hateful Base Via Inhumane Acts?
IF the numbers are there for full-control I'll be surprised and disappointed in humanity and fearful for our future for damn sure. Even more so than after the election.
However after the reality of the last election I'd be much less surprises than before.
sad
I think comparing the deportation of aliens who knowingly and deliberately snuck into the country illegally to the extermination of innocent citizens because they were Jewish is beyond ridiculous. Illegal aliens are simply being removed the same way you remove trespassers and burglars from your property. They knew the risk when they entered and the consequences of being caught. Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time —Baretta TV show.
Not so … I posted the law on asylum seekers and temporary protected status.
AND THE ARTICLE IS ABOUT SEPARATING FAMILIES WHO ARE NOT IN VIOLATION OF THE LAW IF THE SEEK ASYLUM OR TEMPORARY PROTECTED STATUS.
We are talking about children imporperly separated from parents … and not how the laws have been properly imposed … rather how they are being insidiously imposed to pander to xenophobic Trump supporters.
Liberals dismiss everybody who disagrees with them as a “phobe” or an “ist.” The parents are the ones who decided to either bring their children with them when they violated the law or reproduce irresponsibly, knowing that they could be deported when caught. This is no different to me than trespassers and burglars who bring their children with them when they enter my property illegally and then have the gall to demand that their children be allowed to stay because they’re children. No family need be separated. The illegal aliens can take their children with them when they go and learn to respect the law before they attempt to come back. I’m opposed to any immigration reform until we get straight that illegal aliens should be deported and that sanctuary cities are an obstruction of justice.
The left has lost the argument on this issue. Get a grip and give it up.
Liberals dismiss everybody who disagrees with them as a “phobe” or an “ist.” The parents are the ones who decided to either bring their children with them when they violated the law or reproduce irresponsibly, knowing that they could be deported when caught. This is no different to me than trespassers and burglars who bring their children with them when they enter my property illegally and then have the gall to demand that their children be allowed to stay because they’re children. No family need be separated. The illegal aliens can take their children with them when they go and learn to respect the law before they attempt to come back. I’m opposed to any immigration reform until we get straight that illegal aliens should be deported and that sanctuary cities are an obstruction of justice.
Don't broad brush dismiss this by misrepresenting legitimate-asylum-seekers as trespassers and burglars …
You can ignore the realities of the legal options … but don't make the argument xenophobes, and/or those politicians who have misled both the willing and unknowing dupes have made.
Option 4 – Asylum
You can apply for the right to stay in the U.S. if you qualify for asylum and apply within one year of your entry or the expiration of your authorized stay.
You’ll need to show that you have been persecuted, or fear future persecution, in your home country, based on your race, religion, nationality, political opinion, or membership in a particular social group.
The process involves submitting an application, together with detailed documentation of your membership in the group that you claim and the persecution that you faced or fear.
If you are granted asylum, you can apply for a green card one year after your approval, and for U.S. citizenship four years after that. (If denied, you will be deported.).
Option 5 – Temporary Protected Status
If you come from a country that has recently had a civil war, environmental or natural disaster, or other trouble that makes it unsafe for its citizens to return there, the United States may offer what’s known as Temporary Protected Status or “TPS.”
This is not a green card, nor does it lead to a green card. However, TPS would allow you to stay in the United States legally for a set amount of time (maximum 18 months), and to receive a work permit while you’re here. See the USCIS website ( www.uscis.gov ) for details and the list of currently eligible countries.
If you lived in a country in which your children were subjected to, i.e. human trafficking, and, no way to protect them other than hoping for asylum in a civilized country that might show compassion and enable your children to live a relatively normal life …
Get educated and come back … and instead of a pronouncement and a dismissive "argument," discuss the legal options, which, you certainly have the right to decry … but the existence of which you cannot accurately deny.
By yours, and the legally-flawed arguments of some others, Native Americans could make an argument today, that out white-ass ancestors should have been kicked out of Jamestown before it was stolen and named …
… "Jamestown!"
“ If the facts are against you, argue the law. If the law is against you, argue the facts. If the law and the facts are against you, pound the table and yell like hell”
― Carl SandburgDoes that broad brush also apply to painting those who disagree with you as xenophobes?
I haven’t ignored anything. Illegal aliens can, and do, assert both options 4 and 5 after being caught sneaking across the border (just like a burglar can claim to have innocently gone to the wrong house via and open window) but it doesn’t immunize them from being arrested.
It's disingenuous
There is no rational comparison between immigration enforcement and Nazi genocide. Comparing what you think is actual and concluding that what you think is the reality when it isn’t is . . . only real to you.
I said nothing of slaughter! We are talking about separating children from parents as a form of deterrent in keeping from people seeking asylum. Inhumanity at any level is just that.
It was disgusting and an insult to the victims of the holocaust.
So, let me get this straight. You are taking Obama's policies that are currently still in place under Trump and NOW they are offensive? When did they become offensive? Let me guess, January 2017. And it STILL took 18 months for it to become fully offensive.
I have explained this once, but, again …
While There has always been a policy of separating children from parents at the border when the adults are facing criminal charges but — and it’s a big caveat — the current administration is manipulating the policy to deter migration.
To be perfectly clear, the U.S. has had a long-standing policy of family separation when the parents face a criminal charge, like illegal entry.
What changed was the enactment of the “ zero tolerance ” policy that requires all parents who cross illegally be put in criminal proceedings … rather than the more expedient civil removal proceedings. It removes the choice of law enforcement — otherwise known as prosecutorial discretion, used by both Presidents Bush and Obama — and requires law enforcement to charge parents with illegal entry even if they claim legal asylum.
As it always has been. But, you didn't seem too concerned until January 2017. And like I said, it STILL took 18 months for it to become fully offensive.
ZERO should have been the tolerance level from the start. But then again, left / liberals and Democrats welcomed them with open arms and demanded they be treated as US citizens when they should have been herded up and shipped back.
Your outrage on this really shows the hypocrasy of the left / liberals and Democrats.
Sanctuary cities are acting as hideouts for all illegal aliens (not just those “legitimately” seeking asylum) and eroding border enforcement. If sanctuary cities are determined to act as a hideout for illegal aliens, then Trump can counterbalance it on the enforcement end with a zero tolerance policy. In any event, aliens can solve this problem immediately by ceasing to cross the border illegally and dragging their children with them when they do it.
I'll take my chances.
Care to discuss the law, how and why it is implemented as it is?
Read the information instead of turning a blind eye because it suits your preferences.
I fail to see the comparison of dragging people from their homes and murdering them, as the Nazis did, and not opening the doors to allow open immigration from other countries without proper vetting or compliance to a point system requiring beneficial aspects.
Do you see any comparison in sending Jews back to Germany by the U.S. in 1939?
When oppressed human beings seek asylum … and they are turned away … and, in order to stoke popular opinion, are stereotyped and denigrated to appease a voter demographic, we compromise our humanity.
There are many illegals in the U.S. … but only certain nationalities get the Trump demagoguery …
This is who the Trump base and supporters are. Only when they lose something dear to them will the hurtful and evil policies of this Administration be acknowledged.
The European Union has opened the doors to anyone who can drag themselves past their borders, including those simply seeking a more comfortable (welfare benefits) life, terrorists hiding among the many, those who will refuse to assimilate or live by the laws of the land, and the countries it forces to admit them are paying the price. Not ALL refugees are escaping politically or religiously sanctioned murder or destruction of their life. I did not criticize admitting GENUINE refugees.
Those on board the SS St. Louis were not there because they just wanted to live a more comfortable life, they were trying to escape not the possibility, but the absolute future of being slaughtered. Such GENUINE refugees should not be refused.
Those on board the SS St. Louis were not there because they just wanted to live a more comfortable life, they were trying to escape not the possibility, but the absolute future of being slaughtered. Such GENUINE refugees should not be refused.
And do you decide arbitrarily that there are no current refugees trying to escape the realities of the dangers in their countries?
Gang warfare and violence have transformed parts of Central America into some of the most dangerous places on earth. In recent years, El Salvador, Honduras and Guatemala (known as the Northern Triangle) have experienced a dramatic escalation in organized crime by gangs, called maras.
Thousands of parents have fled with their families and, in many cases, children have made the perilous journey alone. These unaccompanied children are some of the world’s most vulnerable refugees – they have witnessed horrific violence and faced extreme risk. UNHCR, the UN Refugee Agency, is on the ground responding to this mounting crisis, but the needs are growing.
Current homicide rates are among the highest ever recorded in Central America. Several cities, including San Salvador, Tegucigalpa and San Pedro Sula, are among the 10 most dangerous in the world. The most visible evidence of violence is the high rate of brutal homicides, but other human rights abuses are on the rise, including the recruitment of children into gangs, extortion and sexual violence.
From 2011 to 2016, the number of people from the Northern Triangle who have sought refuge in surrounding countries has increased by 2,249 percent. The majority fleeing are women and children.
In 2016, 388,000 people fled the region – more continued to flee in 2017. The rapid growth of those forced from their homes is quickly outstripping available resources, leaving many vulnerable children, women and men without physical and legal protection.
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Any entity that murders innocents is like any other that does the same. And because the innocents are brown … does not make them any less innocent!
It seems to me that you're focusing on immigrants from the south whereas I'm more concerned about those from elsewhere, but your desire for an open-door policy still needs to be policed for terrorists hiding among the innocent. Europe wasn't prepared for that and now the crime rate there has skyrocketed. Rapes in Sweden have most likely at least doubled (not every victim is willing to report), young girls are being groomed and raped in England (and the police are ignoring it, because they don't want to be identified as Islamophobes or in accordance with what's happening there even the police could be convicted by what is becoming Star Chamber justice), murderous terrorism and no-go areas are starting to multiply in Europe......All I can say is "Beware".
Trump campaigned on stereotypes, bigotry and divisiveness …
… mission accomplished.
Divisiveness? The last time America saw such divisiveness was the Civil War. Today it's neighbour vs neighbour, and not because of who the POTUS is, but it's caused by the widening differences in political ideology. I think it's just an excuse to blame the POTUS for it.
You're not here, Buzz … take it from a friend … you don't know … you don't encounter the propaganda campaigns, the orchestrated lying, the hypocrisy nor the subtle and overt hatred that is fed every day …
… and those hungry for the feeding because, in their "minds," it validates their ignorance and hatred and gives them cover.
Buzz is in the same bucket as Alan Dershowitz, and undoubtedly many others. They support Trump because he is all in for Israel. Every US president has supported Israel of course, but Trump's shenanigans, for example making an open advocate of unlimited settlements the US ambassador to Israel, have given Trump an elevated status among Israeli partisans.
You're right, A.Mac. It's much more difficult for me to be subjective in my opinions, because I'm not mired in " the propaganda campaigns, the orchestrated lying, the hypocrisy nor the subtle and overt hatred that is fed every day" in America.
I neither support Trump nor oppose him. I approve of his support of Israel because I consider it to be correct (and yes, I am proud to be supportive of Israel), and I disapprove of his fucking with NAFTA in a way that will negatively affect Canada, because that will be harmful to me personally due to the negative effect it can have on the Canadian dollar and its conversion rate here.
Perhaps if you had bothered to learn the actual legal right of Israel through the history of mandates, conferences and agreements (I believe I posted that for you previously from one source, and there are others, even posted by an NT member who had researched it properly) you would not see a problem with being pro-settlement. However, the fact that the leftist media and the UN (controlled by the Arab League) are so vastly biased against Israel it blinds the world of the truth.
President Trump is doing everything possible to keep entire families — parents and children — in areas of violence and danger rather than to offer haven to those who qualify as legitimate refugees. And now, he is even separating families as a punishment.
The overriding American priority should be admitting refugees from violence-stricken countries, and sooner rather than later — a lesson of the Holocaust that Trump is ignoring. Moreover, he is dismissing the importance of compassion, which as USCOM workers demonstrated should be at the core of refugee policy. Separation today is not necessary. Instead, simply following the policies enacted to avoid another Holocaust would allow families to remain together, safe from violence.
Maxi Weilheimer, after turning his sons over to USCOM workers in 1942, wrote, “So much of joy and of beauty has been destroyed by the hands of man, and the world which God created could be so lovely and so peaceful. We had a family life of rare happiness and contentment — unfortunately it was too short.” In 1941 and 1942, the United States was a haven for some refugee children fleeing persecution. Today, we are the ones causing unnecessary pain.
Last week, Reveal, a project of the Center for Investigative Reporting, identified 150 incidents of verbal harassment or physical violence over the past 18 months in which the perpetrator explicitly mentioned Donald Trump. Reveal ’s Will Carless wrote that “nearly every metric of intolerance in the U.S. has surged over [that time period], from reported anti-Semitism and Islamophobia to violent hate crimes based on skin color, nationality or sexual orientation.”
How ironic, some of the comments herein …
“nearly every metric of intolerance in the U.S. has surged over [that time period], from reported anti-Semitism and Islamophobia to violent hate crimes based on skin color, nationality or sexual orientation.”
How ironic.
Those who fail to see any comparisons between Nazi Germany and what' happening in the Trump era need to spend some time researching what led up to the Holocaust.
The neo-Nazis gathered in a safe house a few hours after the deadly “Unite the Right” rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, last August. One of their chieftains, Robert “Azzmador” Ray, wanted to say a few words that evening, according to a description of the speech Ray posted online. As the man on the ground for the Daily Stormer, the biggest hate site in the U.S ., Ray had been in the middle of the action all day, leading his “Stormers” into battle. Now he wanted to read a fiery speech the site’s publisher, Andrew Anglin, had written for the occasion.
“My brothers,” Ray began, looking at his phone in the dark room. “A day is quickly coming when it is we who will be digging graves.” The neo-Nazis howled their approval. For them, the “Unite the Right” rally had always been more than a protest against the removal of a statue of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee. It was, as Ray and Anglin put it on the Daily Stormer, a “battle cry” for white nationalism.
“This is our war!” Ray yelled in the safe house. “This has always been our war. And I wouldn’t want it any other way. Death to traitors! Death to the enemies of the white race! Hail victory!”
WATCH THIS …
Don't tell me there's no comparison between one hateful regime and another! This is how it gets underway.
Kiss off, bub.
Just because you may have had relatives affected by it doesn't give YOU any special insight.
Only fools would equate America with Nazi Germany.
The fool is the one who thinks that a holocaust only occurs on a grand scale with ghettos and gas chambers! When Neo-Nazis demonstrate and synagogues and black churches are targets of vandalism … and then the people in them … and the Hater-in-Chief stokes the hatred he knows just needs a prodding and his quasi-official approval … he emboldens the shithead who runs down an innocent women and kills her … after which his President tells us, that among his kind are some "fine people" …
… then YOU kiss off …
Reading the Classic Novel That Predicted Trump
The anxiety began well before the Cleveland convention, where the candidate of the “Forgotten Men,” the one who declared Americans “the greatest Race on the face of this old Earth,” seemed likely to clinch his party’s presidential nomination. Doremus Jessup, the protagonist of Sinclair Lewis’s 1935 novel “It Can’t Happen Here,” sees something dark and terrible brewing in American politics — the potential for “a real fascist dictatorship” led by the up-and-coming populist candidate Berzelius Windrip. Friends scoff at this extravagant concern. “That couldn’t happen here in America, not possibly!” they assure him. But Jessup, a small-town Vermont newspaper editor and a “mild, rather indolent and somewhat sentimental liberal,” worries about the devastation ahead. “What can I do?” he agonizes night after night. “Oh — write another editorial viewing-with-alarm, I suppose!”
okay, Chicken-Little-wanna-be.
Have it your way.
meanwhile, back on Earth...……………………………………………………………………….no Nazis in power to do a darn thing in the U.S. of A.
My way?
US neo-Nazi groups on the rise under President Donald Trump: report
The number of hate groups in the US has risen during Trump's first year in office, according to a new report. Neo-Nazi groups in the US witnessed startling growth, increasing by 22 percent.
The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) on Wednesday published a report showing a rise in the number of hate groups operating in the United States during President Donald Trump's first year in office.
The number of hate groups in the US grew to 954, marking a 4-percent increase compared to last year. The report said Trump-inspired groups also provoked a backlash that witnessed a rise in black nationalist groups, such as the Nation of Islam.
Read more: White supremacy and neo-Nazis in the US: What you need to know
"President Trump's first year in office proved to be just as racially divisive as his campaign — but even more consequential," the report said. " President Trump in 2017 reflected what white supremacist groups want to see : a country where racism is sanctioned by the highest office, immigrants are given the boot and Muslims banned."
Neo-Nazis on the rise
There were more than 600 white supremacist groups in the US, according to the report. Neo-Nazi groups rose to 121 compared to 99 last year, marking a 22 percent increase.
Ah no. Illegal aliens and criminal aliens are given the boot .
No Muslims were never banned .
Saturday, January 28, 2017
As the Muslim ban went into effect on Saturday, lawyers from the ACLU-WA and the NW Immigrant Rights Project rushed to SeaTac Airport to help immigrants on incoming flights who were being denied entry to the U.S. The ACLU and NWIRP obtained a court order staying the deportation of two incoming travelers at SeaTac. With support from elected officials and more1,000 protesters, they secured the release of two people in the custody of Customs and Border Protection (CBP).
Just because the aclu claims simething does not make it true .
And just because you say something is "fake news" or false doesn't make it false.
NOTE: I want to be able to respond to comments … so, I will LOCK the discussion shortly and reopen it tomorrow in mid-morning.
WE ARE REOPENED FOR BUSINESS
Several things …
The Discussion Headline Asks a Question … namely …
"What Manner Of Government Administration Calls To Its Depraved Hateful Base Via Inhumane Acts?"
• Going forward in this thread, instead of attacking the question for its being asked … address it or risk being cited as "OFF-TOPIC"
• Cease and desist the pronouncement and personal attacks on participants in the discussion
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Given the pair of statements below, what if Trump (or, any POTUS) decides to deport "groups" of individuals who have not violated any laws, but, which are part of a demographic as identified and singled out by Trump (Spencer, Bannon, Gorka, Arpaio, Miller, etc.)?
Please don't equivocate or move the goalposts … let's have an actual discussion/debate.
POLITICS
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This article makes me think of a comment I read by one of our left leaning members.
Sen. Merkley refused entry into facility holding hundreds of children separated from parents.
Why is that?
In the words of the Great Equivocator, Trump … "We'll see what happens."
The thread has become a dismissive pissing contest.
LAST CALL FOR LAST WORDS … don't make them personal and they will stand.
Closing up at 4:15 PM or thereabouts …