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IG report on Clinton email probe reveals FBI agent's 'stop'-Trump text, calls Comey 'insubordinate'

  

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IG report on Clinton email probe reveals FBI agent's 'stop'-Trump text, calls Comey 'insubordinate'

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Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz, in a comprehensive and at-times scathing report on the handling of the Hillary Clinton email investigation, exposed extraordinary text messages by a top FBI official vowing to "stop" Donald Trump -- while calling then-director James Comey's actions in the case "insubordinate."

The long-awaited report was released Thursday afternoon, spanning nearly 600 pages and scrutinizing the actions of numerous figures who played a key role in the Justice Department and FBI's investigation. It is the product of an 18-month review, incorporating dozens of witness interviews and hundreds of thousands of documents.

But one of the most stunning findings concerns texts between agent Peter Strzok and bureau colleague Lisa Page.

According to the report, Page texted Strzok in August 2016 and said: “[Trump’s] not ever going to become president, right? Right?!”

“No. No he won’t. We’ll stop it,” Strzok responded.

Strzok was a lead investigator on the Clinton case and later worked the Russia investigation before being removed from that assignment.

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“In particular, we were concerned about text messages exchanged by FBI Deputy Assistant Director Peter Strzok and Lisa Page, Special Counsel to the Deputy Director, that potentially indicated or created the appearance that investigative decisions were impacted by bias or improper considerations,” the IG report said.

Still, the report said investigators found “no evidence that the conclusions by the prosecutors were affected by bias or other improper considerations.”

Months ago, Horowitz revealed other anti-Trump texts between the two FBI officials, who were romantically involved. The "stop" Trump text goes further, and fueled claims from the White House that the bureau was biased against him.

Press Secretary Sarah Sanders said the report "reaffirmed the president's suspicions about Comey's conduct and the political bias amongst some of the members of the FBI."

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The FBI, in its response to the review, said the inspector general “found no evidence to connect the political views expressed by these employees with the specific investigative decisions.”

But it said the inspector general has referred five employees for investigation into whether the messages violated the FBI’s Offense Codes and Penalty Guidelines.

Horowitz’s investigation looked at a variety of other allegations, including whether it was improper for Comey to make a public announcement recommending against prosecution over the Clinton email arrangement while calling her actions "extremely careless."

"We found that it was extraordinary and insubordinate for Comey to conceal his intentions from his superiors, the Attorney General and Deputy Attorney General, for the admitted purpose of preventing them from telling him not to make the statement, and to instruct his subordinates in the FBI to do the same," Horowitz’s report says.

Comey responded to the report on Thursday by tweeting that he believes the “conclusions are reasonable, even though I disagree with some.”

“People of good faith can see an unprecedented situation differently,” Comey said.

Trump fired Comey in May 2017, citing the Clinton email probe -- though he later cited the Russia probe as well.

The report also faults the FBI – and specifically Strzok – for not acting quickly enough after the discovery of Clinton emails on the laptop of ex-Rep. Anthony Weiner in the fall of 2016. The report says Strzok and others argued that the Russia investigation was a “higher priority” at the time than reviewing the laptop.

“We found this explanation unpersuasive and concerning,” the report said, noting the FBI could have gotten a search warrant in late September, but waited more than a month to do so -- ultimately revisiting the case days before the election. Clinton has long said that announcement contributed to her defeat. But the report also suggested that Strzok, ironically, may have acted out of bias for Clinton in slow-walking the laptop review.

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Based on the Strzok text messages, the report said, “We concluded that we did not have confidence that this decision by Strzok was free from bias.”

In the report, Horowitz also criticized then-Attorney General Loretta Lynch’s infamous meeting on an Arizona tarmac with former President Bill Clinton just days before the FBI decided it would not recommend criminal charges against Hillary Clinton.

The report said investigators "found no evidence" of an "inappropriate discussion." But it found that Lynch’s "failure to recognize the appearance problem created by former President Clinton’s visit and to take action to cut the visit short was an error in judgment."

House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Trey Gowdy, R-S.C., said in a statement the report shows “an alarming and destructive level of animus displayed by top officials at the FBI.”

Other Republican lawmakers pounced on the newly revealed Strzok text.

“In Louisiana, we call that bias, we don't call that objective,” Sen. John Kennedy, R-La., said on Fox News’ “Outnumbered Overtime” on Thursday.

Strzok had been assigned to Robert Mueller’s special counsel probe, but has since been reassigned. Page later resigned.

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An attorney for Strzok, Aitan Goelman, denied the agent’s personal political views influenced his work. “His dedication to unbiased service is a fact that would be universally echoed by the thousands of people who have worked with Pete during his 26 years of service in the FBI and U.S. Army,” Goelman said.

The final report could lead to repercussions for some in the DOJ and FBI.

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Attorney General Jeff Sessions said in a statement that the report “reveals a number of significant errors by the senior leadership of the Department of Justice and the FBI during the previous administration.”

In an interview with The Hill’s new web show “Rising” on Wednesday, Sessions said the option of “termination” is on the table for those accused of serious wrongdoing. Some of the key figures, though, have already been fired or left the government.

A related review already has put former top FBI official Andrew McCabe in legal jeopardy. The Justice Department’s internal watchdog sent a criminal referral for McCabe in April to the U.S. attorney’s office in Washington.

That was in response to Horowitz’s finding that McCabe leaked information to the press and later lied about it to Comey and federal investigators, prompting Sessions to fire him in March. The Washington Post reported that Comey has since been questioned by the U.S. attorney’s office as part of a McCabe investigation.

In his report Thursday, Horowitz also reviewed the circumstances of whether McCabe should have recused himself earlier from the Clinton probe because of his family’s ties to the Democratic Party.

McCabe’s wife took campaign money from a group tied to then-Democratic Gov. Terry McAuliffe, a Clinton ally, during her unsuccessful run for office in Virginia in 2015. McCabe did not recuse himself until a week before the 2016 election.

Horowitz said McCabe “did not fully comply with his recusal in a few instances” related to the Clinton Foundation investigation. He also said the FBI’s ethics officials and attorneys “did not fully appreciate the potential significant implications” to McCabe and the FBI from campaign contributions to his wife’s campaign.

An attorney for McCabe, Michael Bromwich, said in a Thursday statement that “any and all claims that political bias or political influence affected Mr. McCabe’s actions” are “entirely baseless.”

In a New York Times op-ed on Thursday, Comey stood by his decision not to recommend prosecuting Clinton over her emails while secretary of state.

“The report also resoundingly demonstrates that there was no prosecutable case against Mrs. Clinton, as we had concluded,” Comey said. “Although that probably will not stop some from continuing to claim the opposite is true, this independent assessment will be useful to thoughtful people and an important contribution to the historical record.”

Fox News’ Catherine Herridge, Judson Berger, Bill Mears, Jake Gibson and Brooke Singman contributed to this report.


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bbl-1
Professor Silent
2  bbl-1    8 years ago

Tarmacs and emails front page news.

Russian connections and Russian oligarch money a secret.

As far as those who had a dislike for Trump----------well, those people are out there.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2.1  Greg Jones  replied to  bbl-1 @2    8 years ago

Tarmacs and emails front page news.    Very bad optics and someone actually did hack the account. This is what really happened.

Russian connections and Russian oligarch money a secret. No secret, it's all out in the open, benign, and legal. No crimes committed Products of a wild imagination.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Greg Jones @2.1    8 years ago
Very bad optics and someone actually did hack the account.

Yup, another thing Comey smoothed over.

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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2.1.2  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Greg Jones @2.1    8 years ago
Russian connections and Russian oligarch money a secret. No secret, it's all out in the open, benign, and legal. No crimes committed Products of a wild imagination.

You forgot the key word in your post...…..now. Comey kept this part secret until after the election, what effect do you think it would have had on the election if it had come out BEFORE the election that Trumps campaign had Russian connections? Maybe the same result releasing a false story about Hillary emails eight days before the election?

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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2.1.4  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.3    8 years ago
Oh, you mean the emails found on Weiner's computer? They were fake?

I thought we had an agreement Texan. But, to answer this I'll just say one thing, the emails might have been real but, the idea that they in anyway proved Clinton guilty of anything was false and, is false.

 
 
 
Rmando
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3  Rmando    8 years ago

I can only imagine the lefts response if anybody investigating Trump had said about Clinton, "Don't worry. We'll stop her from becoming president."

 
 
 
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Freshman Silent
3.1    replied to  Rmando @3    8 years ago
had said about Clinton, "Don't worry. We'll stop her from becoming president."

E.A  Yes just imagine how the " Democrats " would have taken that as a democratic rights of the Voters!!  But then again they know that the US of A is not a Democracy!

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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3.2  Greg Jones  replied to  Rmando @3    8 years ago

Since some of these clowns were involved in the Mueller investigation, it would appear that whole investigation has been compromised and tainted.

 
 
 
Dulay
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3.2.1  Dulay  replied to  Greg Jones @3.2    8 years ago
Since some of these clowns were involved in the Mueller investigation, it would appear that whole investigation has been compromised and tainted.

So you don't believe the findings of the report? 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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3.2.2  Greg Jones  replied to  Dulay @3.2.1    8 years ago
So you don't believe the findings of the report?

No...it's just more left leaning bias.

 
 
 
Dulay
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3.2.3  Dulay  replied to  Greg Jones @3.2.2    8 years ago
No...it's just more left leaning bias.

Thanks for illustrating that no amount of investigation, no matter how thorough , will convince sycophants.

That's a strong argument against acquiescing to demands to investigate the investigators. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
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3.2.4  MrFrost  replied to  Greg Jones @3.2.2    8 years ago

How exactly is the FBI leaning to the left? How is announcing to the world that Hillary was under investigation..."helping" her? Do tell. 

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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3.3  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Rmando @3    8 years ago
I can only imagine the lefts response if anybody investigating Trump had said about Clinton, "Don't worry. We'll stop her from becoming president."

Comey's October surprise did just that.

 
 
 
Rmando
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3.3.2  Rmando  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @3.3    8 years ago

Comeys surprise was not intentionally meant to hurt Clinton. Comey wouldn't have bothered to "check the polls" first if he'd been trying to hurt Clinton. He was just trying to cover his own butt.

 
 
 
lib50
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3.3.3  lib50  replied to  Rmando @3.3.2    8 years ago
Comeys surprise was not intentionally meant to hurt Clinton.

Not meant to, but it did.  Along the same lines, Comey did NOT mention ongoing investigations into Trump malfeasance.  The only person hurt by Comey was Clinton. 

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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3.3.4  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Rmando @3.3.2    8 years ago
He was just trying to cover his own butt.

IF Comey was trying to cover his own butt, as you put it, then why didn't he reveal the FBI investigation into Russia and the Trump campaigns connections? Seems kind of fishy. Also, why not just do as his superiors said and, not present the October surprise at all?

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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3.3.5  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Rmando @3.3.2    8 years ago
Comeys surprise was not intentionally meant to hurt Clinton. Comey wouldn't have bothered to "check the polls" first if he'd been trying to hurt Clinton. He was just trying to cover his own butt.

Just keep digging there.

Digging a whole

 
 
 
tomwcraig
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4  tomwcraig    8 years ago

From the report:

18 U.S.C. §§ 793(d) and (e) (willful mishandling of documents or information relating to the national defense);

•18 U.S.C. § 793(f) (removal, loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction of documents or information relating to the national defense through gross negligence, or failure to report such removal, loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction);
•18 U.S.C. § 1924 (unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents or material by government employees); and
•18 U.S.C. § 2071 (concealment, removal, or mutilation of government records).
As described in Chapter Seven of our report, the prosecutors concluded that the evidence did not support prosecution under any of these statutes for various reasons, including that former Secretary Clinton and her senior aides lacked the intent to communicate classified information on unclassified systems. Critical to their conclusion was that the emails in question lacked proper classification markings, that the senders often refrained from using specific classified facts or terms in emails and worded emails carefully in an attempt to  “talk around” classified information, that the emails were sent to other government officials in furtherance of their official duties, and that former Secretary Clinton relied on the judgment of State Department employees to properly handle classified information, among other facts.
Okay, read the 2nd statue quoted above then read the conclusion.  Gross Negligence does not require intent, yet again Hillary and company get a free pass because they did not intend for such things to happen...This entire document reads as a whitewashing of behavior, and there was another section, in fact a paragraph, that actually claims there is no bias but that the department was biased!  That paragraph was displayed on this evening's "The Daily Ledger" on OANN.
 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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4.2  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  tomwcraig @4    8 years ago

OK, so, tell us lawyer Gregg were did you get your law degree? You're telling us that you know more than the people in the IG or, the DOJ about the law than they do? Really?

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.3  Dulay  replied to  tomwcraig @4    8 years ago
Okay, read the 2nd statue quoted above then read the conclusion. Gross Negligence does not require intent

It sure as hell requires knowledge that it was:

 illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trustor lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer

BTW, define 'gross negligence'. 

 
 
 
tomwcraig
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4.3.1  tomwcraig  replied to  Dulay @4.3    8 years ago

Gross Negligence

An indifference to, and a blatant violation of, a legal duty with respect to the rights of others.

Gross negligence is a conscious and voluntary disregard of the need to use reasonable care, which is likely to cause foreseeable grave injury or harm to persons, property, or both. It is conduct that is extreme when compared with ordinary Negligence , which is a mere failure to exercise reasonable care. Ordinary negligence and gross negligence differ in degree of inattention, while both differ from willful and wanton conduct, which is conduct that is reasonably considered to cause injury. This distinction is important, since contributory negligence—a lack of care by the plaintiff that combines with the defendant's conduct to cause the plaintiff's injury and completely bar his or her action—is not a defense to willful and wanton conduct but is a defense to gross negligence. In addition, a finding of willful and wanton misconduct usually supports a recovery of Punitive Damages , whereas gross negligence does not.

West's Encyclopedia of American Law, edition 2. Copyright 2008 The Gale Group, Inc. All rights reserved.
or
Gross negligence refers to an act taken without exercising even the most basic amount of care owed to others. Such an act involves a deliberate disregard for the safety or well being of another person. Gross negligence does not refer to acts undertaken with intent to harm another, but acts for which the perpetrator knew, or should have known, would result in injury or damages to another person. Such acts may be seen by the courts as bordering on intentional conduct, depending on the level of recklessness involved.
or
Gross negligence is a legal concept which means serious carelessness. Negligence is the opposite of diligence, or being careful. The standard of ordinary negligence is what conduct deviates from the proverbial "reasonable person."
So, there you go.
 
 
 
tomwcraig
Junior Silent
4.3.2  tomwcraig  replied to  tomwcraig @4.3.1    8 years ago

And example of gross negligence:

You are driving down the road while eating a hamburger when you take your hand off the wheel to tune in your radio because of loss of signal.

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.3.3  Dulay  replied to  tomwcraig @4.3.1    8 years ago

So since you started by insisting that the statute doesn't require intent, we'll stick with the legal definitions. 

Gross negligence is a conscious and voluntary
or

Such an act involves a deliberate disregard for the safety or well being of another person.

BOTH of those definitions require INTENT. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5  Vic Eldred    8 years ago

Still, the report said investigators found “no evidence that the conclusions by the prosecutors were affected by bias or other improper considerations.”

Let's make sure we understand that sentence. There was plenty of bias found, but there was no evidence that bias effected the conclusions of prosecutors. A few cable "news" stations were falsely claiming that there was no bias found and they made the claim repeatedly.

 
 
 
LynneA
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5.1  LynneA  replied to  Vic Eldred @5    8 years ago

No disputing the personal bias that is evidenced by the IG report.  Stunning was the trail left for all to read! 

Thankful the IG found bias wasn't a factor in the FBI carrying out their responsibilities.  That was the question I personally needed answered.  Seems many accept this truth and yet much to my dismay I'm hearing "the IG got it wrong". 

Still reading through the entire 568 pages, so far I've found it to be comprehensive and thorough.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6  Vic Eldred    8 years ago

Another big finding of the IG report was that "there was a culture of leaking at the FBI".  Something FBI Director promised to fix during his press conference after the report was released

 
 
 
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Freshman Silent
6.1    replied to  Vic Eldred @6    8 years ago
culture of leaking

E.A NO Govern Ment  can operate with out Leaks!!!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  @6.1    8 years ago

Evidently

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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6.1.2  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  @6.1    8 years ago

Exactly, we have had leakers since the beginning of our government, it's how our FREE PRESS gets its news about the government.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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6.1.3  Greg Jones  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @6.1.2    8 years ago
Exactly, we have had leakers since the beginning of our government, it's how our FREE PRESS gets its news about the government.

So it's altogether fitting and proper for the pols to collude with the press to share and release state secrets and other confidential national security information??   Face Palm

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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6.1.4  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Greg Jones @6.1.3    8 years ago
So it's altogether fitting and proper for the pols to collude with the press to share and release state secrets and other confidential national security information??

Did I say that? No, but, since the beginning of our country it is what has been done, I'm thinking of one of the biggest leaks of government secrets that got a president removed from office, it was called Watergate.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @6    8 years ago

Vic, for months you have been one of the ones saying "wait for the IG report" under the theory it would justify your deep state nonsense. It doesn't. You need to take a deep breath and go back to the drawing board. Along with all your compadres here. 

 
 
 
LynneA
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6.2.1  LynneA  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2    8 years ago

JR - Agree!  I recall inquiring, once the IG report were released would it be believed.  Is the report damning of actions and decisions made, yes.  Criminal, no.  Need of reforms, yes.

Mr. Wray accepts the full report, outlined improvements...I suppose he's now part of the FBI scum we're hearing about?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6.2.2  JohnRussell  replied to  LynneA @6.2.1    8 years ago

The true believers on the right will always find a way to move on to the next conspiracy. 

 
 
 
LynneA
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6.2.3  LynneA  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2.2    8 years ago

Trying to understand WHY.  I get that perception is our individual reality.  Yet at some point, when reality slams you in the face with factual information why do perceptions remain the same?  

For me, regardless of political leanings, if an American is unable to recognize positive and negative stances within their own party leadership...we're headed toward dictatorship as a ruling principle.  Perhaps a dying breed, I believe compromise is the ONLY way to insure the strength of our Republic and it democratic principles.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6.2.4  JohnRussell  replied to  LynneA @6.2.3    8 years ago

Kelly Anne Conway , with quite a straight face, once said that President Trump and his spokesman were presenting an "alternate truth". Trump likes the concept of "alternative facts" because if there are alternative facts available then he can never be wrong. And we know his aversion to being wrong about anything. 

The internet is to "blame" for all this. It encourages "alternative facts". 

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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6.2.5  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2.4    8 years ago

I got a laugh out of Trump's statement that "I may stand before you in six months and say I was wrong", since he couldn't let a full second pass before blurting out that he would never admit that.  He makes idiocy into an art form.

 
 
 
Studiusbagus
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6.2.6  Studiusbagus  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2    8 years ago

Hell yeah...along with "Comey's going to prison after the report" "Clinton's going to get hers after the IG report comes out"

So far, the IG says No and No...

The right just got all their bullshit wiped in to their face and still trying to put words in the IG's mouth.

Last great words I heard from Vic was "I'll back the IG's report 100%, I doubt you will" in response to me.

Well, I have no problem with the IG's report....Hmm.

 
 
 
Dulay
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6.2.7  Dulay  replied to  LynneA @6.2.3    8 years ago
I believe compromise is the ONLY way to insure the strength of our Republic and it democratic principles.

That begs the question: How do you compromise with a Party that has it's own set of facts? 

 
 
 
LynneA
Freshman Silent
6.2.8  LynneA  replied to  Dulay @6.2.7    8 years ago

That certainly presents a roadblock Face Palm

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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7  JohnRussell    8 years ago

The right wingers of Newstalkers are an embarrassment. The rightwingers of this country are an embarrassment. 

Seriously, all of you should be ashamed of yourselves. For MONTHS going on years you all have been screeching "lock her up" , more recently based on the idea that the IG report would reveal a deep state conspiracy to protect Clinton , Lynch, Obama, Mueller, etc. .

The report comes out and totally disproves your crackpot theories. 

Do you stop with your insanity? Hell no. 

There is strong reason for reasonable people to be ashamed of what the right is doing to this country. Hopefully the fall elections will rectify some of this. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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7.1  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @7    8 years ago
The report comes out and totally disproves your crackpot theories.

Oh no it doesn't Johnny...it simply muddies and befouls the swamp even further. All the evidence we've seen so far proves that the higher ups in the FBI and DOJ were indeed biased and corrupt, and that this taint likely extended into the Mueller investigation. They were protecting Hildabeast. You can spin it any way you want, but you can't change the facts of what was going on. It's called Reality 101

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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7.1.1  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Greg Jones @7.1    8 years ago
Oh no it doesn't Johnny...it simply muddies and befouls the swamp even further. All the evidence we've seen so far proves that the higher ups in the FBI and DOJ were indeed biased and corrupt, and that this taint likely extended into the Mueller investigation. They were protecting Hildabeast. You can spin it any way you want, but you can't change the facts of what was going on. It's called Reality 101

FACT, Hillary Clintons campaign was harmed by Comey's October surprise, FACT, Comey decided to keep the Russia investigation and, Trumps campaign involvement secret until after the election, FACT, both facts I've just stated were in the IG report so, using logic as a base here, Comey helped Trump get elected by hurting the Clinton campaign and, keeping key information on the Trump campaign secret. In other words, Comey helped elect Trump.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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7.1.2  Greg Jones  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @7.1.1    8 years ago

No, Comey and Lorreta's every act was to protect the first female president of the United States. That didn't work out. Now we'll have to wait for Nikki Haley.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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7.1.5  JohnRussell  replied to  Greg Jones @7.1    8 years ago

The IG report disproves everything you are saying. 

It is a waste of time for anyone to respond to you or even read your comments. 

John, although this comment isn't a violation, it is also not being a good host to your article. All comments with content should be considered. 

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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7.1.6  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  XXJefferson51 @7.1.4    8 years ago
Nikki Haley will be a great President.

Probably, if she can keep from drinking any more Trump Kool-aid.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
7.1.7  JohnRussell  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @7.1.6    8 years ago

Nikki Haley is very conservative. While I think she would project decorum and decency, her policies would be very bad for the country. 

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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7.1.8  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.7    8 years ago

That's why I added the caveat John, I think she would do what is right for the country, IMO, she is the only one out of the Trump camp that has gone against some of the Trump propaganda.

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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7.1.10  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Tessylo @7.1.9    8 years ago
IMHO and for the most part - I don't think any 'conservative' has earned or deserves my trust.

I can respect that but, I have to add that some conservatives are worth trusting......to a point.

 
 
 
Dulay
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7.1.12  Dulay  replied to  Greg Jones @7.1.2    8 years ago
No, Comey and Lorreta's every act was to protect the first female president of the United States.

Which you state despite all evidence to the contrary. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
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7.1.14  MrFrost  replied to  Texan1211 @7.1.11    8 years ago
"Why Abuela Lost"

Since no one by that name was running for president, it's not shocking that they lost. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
7.1.16  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @7.1.11    8 years ago

Who calls Hillary Clinton "Abuela"? I never heard that until you came here. Is that some Alex Jones bullshit? 

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
7.1.17  MrFrost  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.16    8 years ago
Who calls Hillary Clinton "Abuela"?

It's a nickname that her close friends call her. The cons think they are being sly and insulting by using a nickname. Kind of like calling Obama, "Barry", which happens to be what his close friends call him. In an effort to try and use insulting names, they actually look like they really like these two. Pretty funny actually. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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7.1.18  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @7.1.13    8 years ago
Comey decided not to prosecute Clinton.

Comey found no REASON to prosecute Clinton and the report states that decision was proper. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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7.1.21  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @7.1.19    8 years ago
The point is that the FBI shouldn't have MADE that decision.

Were does it say THAT in the report? The FBI makes those decisions every freaking day. Sheesh. 

 
 
 
Skrekk
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7.1.24  Skrekk  replied to  Texan1211 @7.1.23    8 years ago
the FBI is supposed to investigate. The Justice Dept., Office of the AG, should be making THOSE DECISIONS

The FBI merely investigates and makes a recommendation about whether charges are appropriate.    In this case the AG said in advance that she'd accept whatever recommendation the FBI made.    It would be highly unusual and unethical for an AG to prosecute when there's no evidence of a crime anyway.

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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7.1.26  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Greg Jones @7.1.2    8 years ago
No, Comey and Lorreta's every act was to protect the first female president of the United States.

Sure, and, unicorns line the White House lawn. Digging a whole  laughing dude

 
 
 
Skrekk
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7.1.27  Skrekk  replied to  Texan1211 @7.1.25    8 years ago
A decision SHE should have made--if she already hadn't shown such poor judgment.

It's a pretty simple decision - either there's evidence that a law was broken or there's not.

What you really seem to be whining about is that Lynch and the Clintons are personal friends.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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7.1.29  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.5    8 years ago

You continue the personal attacks because you know I'm right. You're trying to censor me, and it's not working for you.

 
 
 
Dulay
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7.1.30  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @7.1.25    8 years ago
A decision SHE should have made--if she already hadn't shown such poor judgment.

The ONLY difference THAT would make is that y'all would be whining more about Lynch than you are about Comey. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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7.2  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @7    8 years ago
Hopefully the fall elections will rectify some of this.

I suspect you will be disappointed in the results of the fall elections. The electorate has a lot of collective wisdom and common sense and can plainly see what is going on.

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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7.2.1  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Greg Jones @7.2    8 years ago
The electorate has a lot of collective wisdom and common sense and can plainly see what is going on.

Yep they do, and, the electorate is already showing how it will go.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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7.2.2  Greg Jones  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @7.2.1    8 years ago

Yep they do, and they are shying away from the Democrats, the party of intolerance, hate, lies, sore losers, and broken promises.

Tell us again what they offer to the average American citizen other than being anti-Trump. That's not gonna be enough.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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7.2.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Greg Jones @7.2    8 years ago

Greg, your comments are deadpan comedy fodder, and that is about all they are. 

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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7.2.5  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Greg Jones @7.2.2    8 years ago
Yep they do, and they are shying away from the Democrats, the party of intolerance, hate, lies, sore losers, and broken promises.

Alabama, Virginia, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, what do these states have in common? Oh yeah, they just elected Democrats to not only state offices but, the Congress when, up until now, they have been Red states.

 
 
 
Studiusbagus
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7.2.7  Studiusbagus  replied to  Greg Jones @7.2.2    8 years ago
Yep they do, and they are shying away from the Democrats, the party of intolerance, hate, lies, sore losers, and broken promises.

Is that what the FOX news poll showed....Um, Nope....Dems have a 9 point advantage that is widening....And don't ask again for the link because I already provided it to you twice and both times you disappeared.

 
 
 
Skrekk
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7.2.8  Skrekk  replied to  Texan1211 @7.2.6    8 years ago
I hope Dems run on the Hate Trump train.

That sounds like a good strategy given that the vast majority of Americans oppose your Fuhrer and oppose the GOP's vile agenda.

 
 
 
Skrekk
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7.2.15  Skrekk  replied to  Texan1211 @7.2.14    8 years ago

(Seeder called off topic) Telo

 
 
 
Skrekk
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7.2.17  Skrekk  replied to  Texan1211 @7.2.16    8 years ago

(Skirting the CoC removed) Telo

 
 
 
Skrekk
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7.2.19  Skrekk  replied to  Texan1211 @7.2.18    8 years ago

(Skirting removed again) Telo

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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7.2.22  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @7.2.3    8 years ago

Another personal attack.

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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7.2.24  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Texan1211 @7.2.23    8 years ago

 
 
 
It Is ME
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9  It Is ME    8 years ago

No "Politics" involved in the FBI fuckups what-so-ever. Face Palm

 
 
 
MrFrost
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10  MrFrost    8 years ago

The FBI employs 33,000 people and the right wing found ONE person that doesn't like trump....now they say the entire FBI is corrupt. That's some serious spin. I wonder how many FBI employees don't like Hillary? Should investigate that and whoever ends up with the most haters in the FBI wins.... /sarc [eye roll]

 
 
 
MrFrost
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11  MrFrost    8 years ago

Breaking news: Manafort's bail revoked, taken to jail.. LOL

 
 
 
LynneA
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11.1  LynneA  replied to  MrFrost @11    8 years ago

Now that's cause for celebration!

 
 
 
Skrekk
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11.3  Skrekk  replied to  MrFrost @11    8 years ago

So that makes at least 4 of Trump's campaign officials who are in jail, have pleaded guilty to crimes or are charged with numerous crimes.    LOL......no collusion, no collusion.

 
 
 
bugsy
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11.3.1  bugsy  replied to  Skrekk @11.3    8 years ago
So that makes at least 4 of Trump's campaign officials who are in jail, have pleaded guilty to crimes or are charged with numerous crimes

Exactly which one of those have been indicted, tried or convicted for anything that has to do with the Trump campaign or administration? Let me help you.......absolutely none of them.

Skirting the CoC [ph]

 
 
 
MrFrost
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11.3.2  MrFrost  replied to  bugsy @11.3.1    8 years ago

Manafort was trumps campaign manager for 144 days and he has VERY close ties to Putin. Now if he was the only one with ties to putin, I could easily blow it off and say, "big deal". But, the problem is that almost literally every single person on trumps staff has close ties to russia/putin. If you cannot see any ties between trump and putin, you are literally sitting on a raft in the middle of the ocean saying, "water? I don't see any water!!!". 

TrumpHisTeamsTiestoRussia44.png

 
 
 
Skrekk
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11.3.3  Skrekk  replied to  MrFrost @11.3.2    8 years ago

And that chart doesn't even show Trump's ties to the Russian mob.

 
 
 
bugsy
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11.3.4  bugsy  replied to  MrFrost @11.3.2    8 years ago

That is not what was asked. Who gives a shit about people and ties with Russia. Hell, there are probably more people in DC than not that have ties with Russia. Podesta is known to have Russian ties. Do we incarcerate him, too?

The question was....which one of those that were charged, accused, found guilty, whatever, had to do with the Trump campaign or the administration. I answered the question once and I will do it again...just for you

Not a damn one.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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11.3.5  MrFrost  replied to  Skrekk @11.3.3    8 years ago
And that chart doesn't even show Trump's ties to the Russian mob.

Very true. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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12  Sean Treacy    8 years ago

What a terrible day for the FBI. 

It's going to take decades to regain any confidence in the institution, if it can be regained. 

Besides Comey going rogue and assuming the role of prosecutor and judge, the blatent different treatment afforded Clinton vs Trump, and the spectacular mishandling of the CLinton investigation, you have FBI describing Trump voters as middle-class to poor ignorant pieces of shit.  FBI agents apparently feel free to talk like KKK members did about blacks or British landlords did about their Irish tenants.  How can anyone expect justice from such bigots? 

 
 
 
MrFrost
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12.1  MrFrost  replied to  Sean Treacy @12    8 years ago

How exactly is announcing, twice, that Clinton was under investigation..."helping" her? If anything, Comey threw the election to trump. You are forgetting that the trump campaign was also under investigation by the FBI at the time, but Comey never said a word about it. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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12.2  Dulay  replied to  Sean Treacy @12    8 years ago
the blatent different treatment afforded Clinton vs Trump,

Yes having press conferences and sending letters to Congress [then immediately leaked] about the Clinton investigation and saying NOT A PEEP about the Trump investigation. 

and the spectacular mishandling of the CLinton investigation,

Actually, the report found the Comey 'mishandled' the PUBLICITY about the Clinton investigation. It found that the investigation was conducted properly and that the findings and decision not to prosecute was proper too. 

you have FBI describing Trump voters as middle-class to poor ignorant pieces of shit.

And? 

FBI agents apparently feel free to talk like KKK members did about blacks or British landlords did about their Irish tenants.

Please quote the exact statement that was based on RACE or NATIONALITY. 

How can anyone expect justice from such bigots?

So is it your posit that disagreeing with someone politically is bigoted? 

 
 
 
Dulay
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12.2.2  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson51 @12.2.1    8 years ago
Perhaps if the left doesn’t like being called bigots they will refrain from using that term on the right.

You really had to twist shit to interject your agenda into that one. 

BTFW, it bothers me not to be accused of being a bigot, internalizing false accusations isn't healthy. 

 
 
 
Skrekk
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12.2.3  Skrekk  replied to  XXJefferson51 @12.2.1    8 years ago
Perhaps if the left doesn’t like being called bigots they will refrain from using that term on the right.

CoC Violation "BF"

 
 
 
bugsy
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12.2.5  bugsy  replied to  XXJefferson51 @12.2.4    8 years ago

Skirting the CoC "BF"

 
 
 
Rmando
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12.2.6  Rmando  replied to  bugsy @12.2.5    8 years ago

"You are a conservative, and that alone is good enough for demeaning and insulting you."

Keep up that attitude. Trump couldn't have won without it.

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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12.2.8  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  XXJefferson51 @12.2.7    8 years ago
It was reality that many votes for Trump were in fact a rejection of the condescending arrogance coming from the ivory towers of the limousine liberal elites from the bi coastal urban cores toward flyover America.

This is the irony of it all, you all elected someone who lives in one of the ivory towers and, fly's over most of America and, looks down on all of ya, gotta love the irony of it.

laughing dude

 
 
 
Skrekk
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12.2.10  Skrekk  replied to  XXJefferson51 @12.2.4    8 years ago
I’m so racist that I voted for Alan Keyes for President in 1996, supported Herman Cain for President in 2012 until he was no longer a candidate, and voted for Dr. Ben Carson in 2016.

LOL......not only did you vote for some of the dumbest conservative extremists but you even voted for a guy who belongs to a loony sect which was founded by a white supremacist who said that black folks were the product of sex between man and other animals!    In fact that nutty racist sect is still racially segregated today.

And yes, your views in support of Jim Crow laws against LGBT folks are very much the same as the Jim Crow laws 60 years ago.   The only difference is which minority group you're targeting for harm.    The best part is that it exposes your pathetic need to feel superior to the people you hate, just like it did for those fragile white supremacists.

 
 
 
Rmando
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12.2.11  Rmando  replied to  Skrekk @12.2.10    8 years ago

Jim Crow was a product of the Democrats. I am curious though- were Hillary and Obama carrying on the Jim Crow tradition ten years ago when they both were openly against gay marriage?

 
 
 
Skrekk
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12.2.12  Skrekk  replied to  Rmando @12.2.11    8 years ago
Jim Crow was a product of the Democrats.

It seems the only thing that's changed about southern conservatives in the past 150 years is their party affiliation, otherwise they're the same dumb bigots they've always been.    No wonder the confederate states are a solid block of red today......heck even Dixiecrats like Kim Davis have finally got the message that the GOP is the only true home for bigots today.

 
 
 
Rmando
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12.2.13  Rmando  replied to  Skrekk @12.2.12    8 years ago

And yet most of the stories about racism today come from enlightened Northern cities like Philidelphia and Democrat run cities.....

 
 
 
bugsy
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12.2.14  bugsy  replied to  Skrekk @12.2.12    8 years ago

The biggest difference today is that those bigoted Democrats that infested the south for 150 years finally packed up and now live in northern and western cities. The south today is far more diverse than any northern city.

Let me ask you this. If the north is so pure, why haven't African Americans packed up and moved north in droves? I'll answer that for you. It's because they know northerners are far more racist than any southern they have ever encountered. I have been told that.

I used to have arguments with a NV poster named Santa Monican who swore that her city was one of the more diverse city in the country. When I proved that Santa Monica has a less than 3 percent black population and the city in northeast Florida where I live has an almost 30 percent black population, and the biggest ethnic group second to blacks here are Filipinos, one of which I am married to, she went to the liberal standby and called me a bigot. Kinda sounds familar, huh?

 

 
 
 
Skrekk
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12.2.15  Skrekk  replied to  bugsy @12.2.14    8 years ago
If the north is so pure, why haven't African Americans packed up and moved north in droves?

Ummmmmm.........they did.    You might want to learn about the great African-American migration from about 1916 through about 1970.    6 million black folks fled the benighted Jim Crow south for good, literally almost half of the black population left the south in disgust and in fear for their lives.    The need for that migration ended not long after the Civil Rights Act was passed and the south's white supremacist structure was gradually dismantled.

That's not to say that the north was "pure", just that the south was a far far worse place for black folks to live.

.

It's also no surprise that you apparently knew nothing about that aspect of US history.

 
 
 
bugsy
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12.2.18  bugsy  replied to  Skrekk @12.2.15    8 years ago
6 million black folks fled the benighted Jim Crow south for good,

Because of democratic/liberal Jim Crowe policies. After that, liberals made many northern cities too expensive for African Americans to move to.Just another way of segregation.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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12.2.19  MrFrost  replied to  bugsy @12.2.18    8 years ago

Lincoln would be labeled a far left wing liberal by today's standards. Parties have switched sides many times over the decades. 

 
 
 
Skrekk
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12.2.20  Skrekk  replied to  bugsy @12.2.18    8 years ago
Because of democratic/liberal Jim Crowe policies.

Yep, it seems the only thing that's changed about southern conservatives in the past 150 years is their party affiliation.   Once a dumb bigot, always a dumb bigot.

 
 
 
bugsy
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12.2.21  bugsy  replied to  Skrekk @12.2.20    8 years ago
Once a dumb bigot, always a dumb bigot.

I have heard several African Americans say that about northern and western liberals. Which northern or western city do you live in?

 
 
 
bugsy
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12.2.22  bugsy  replied to  MrFrost @12.2.19    8 years ago
Lincoln would be labeled a far left wing liberal by today's standards.

No he wouldn't have. Republicans in the 19th century wanted to free blacks. Democrats wanted to continue to own them. No difference today except democrats have the welfare plantation instead of the cotton plantation to keep tight control of African Americans.

 
 

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