Are we so brainwashed by Trump's bull shit that we reject our own Intelligence committee, the press, the media, the world leadership and side with Trump and Fox TV Fake News over our own best interests?

The United States is being "punked." If all we are allow leaders to stand for is a capitalist buck provided through any means necessary, what role does ethics and civic responsibility play in the life of the people? It is enough right now!

For over 35 years, in one of my companies, John Roberts & Associates, I worked with city governments, community leaders, property and business owners to set up non-profit organizations to guide downtown development using the model created by the Nation Trust For Historic Preservations.

I had intimate, daily and frequent contact with politicians. Regardless of the state or the city, they seem the same:  "Bull Slinger" like Trump, who spoke to the locals on their level shattering "corn pone" before the cows who gobble it up as if it were "Manna from Heaven".

I often wondered if politicians at the city, county, and state levels where this low function, what must they be like at the national level? It seemed to me, then, and down, the difference is slight, it is in the degree of slickness.

Often, I asked myself, "How can this nation succeed when corruption, greed, self-interest prevails. The worst "Con Men" were those politicians or religious leaders that wrapped their politics in florid biblical texts that they love to repeat, justifying their actions. 

Have we become a nation of MORONS? Trump answered that question, at least for me.

Yes, we have "become a nation of morons" when people think the Democrats aren't equally corrupt.  The Democrats/Republicans are two sides of the same corrupt Establishment coin. No matter which party holds power the Establishment wins.

Think the Obama's and Clinton's earned their millions legitimately? They are no better than any of the past Republican presidents. Think that Pelosi, Schumer, and the rest of the career Democrats in Congress are any cleaner than their Republican counterparts?  Insider deals, pay for play, and an Establishment government that refuses to take any action against them.  Trump is a part of the Establishment- he is on the money supply side- he is supposed to be paying Establishment politicians- not become one of them.

Trump won w/o Establishment backing. They can't have that. Next thing you know anyone might think they can be president w/o paying their Establishment dues.

Yep, spot on.

Spot on! Bull Crap is still bull crap whoever slings it. There is no comparison with the TYPE OF TREASON TAKING PLACE RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR FACE.

The GOP is now the Government of Putin! This is not a game, or, a nice political difference of opinion.

We are in a WAR. Choose your side wisely!

Sparty, consider the reality of this, not the Reality of Trump's Apprentice Show:

The GOP is now the Government of Putin!

Bwwwaaaaaaahhhaaaaaahahahardyharhar ........

Now please, accuse me of being a Russian bot/sympathizer ..... this former Marine who served during the cold war and still believes entirely in the concept of "better dead than red" ...... that would be hilariously obtuse of you but, in this case, SOSDD.

I agree. There is a smell in the air of disaster just over the horizon. This president, this man, Donald Trump, is either the mythical superman or he is a rank fool. He has flung too many political footballs heading down the field, where he plans to be there to catch them all. And, when those balls start their downward descents just how spectacular will Trump's performance be or will it be "curtains" for our leadership role in the world? As in "Helloooo, China!"

You are right. This is wrong on so many levels. I never thought I would see a day, when conservatives would split over a Russian President; blowing pass all the safeguards. President Trump wants to turn this nation's ethics on its head. President DJ© Trump's vessel is rudderless and the Republican Party is partially captured onboard. All this-for moments of, 'flash in the pan' sizzle!

• Isn't Russian President Putin a virtual international terrorist who brought down a Malaysian plane (200 plus deaths) in Ukraine?
• Is Russian President Putin actively poisoning citizens (at will) outside of Russian territories?  Why do our leader not literally 'quake' with personal apprehension in the company of a villain?
  
• Does Russian President Putin lie to the world about world-wide elections "king-making" around the globe. (With the U.S. president being the prize that will exceed and allow more of the same.)

Why is this Russian leader being brought into the fold? Has President Putin taken ownership of his diabolical actions? It is all on this one man - one president. No other contemporary Russian Leader has acted so recklessly. And for such intrusions our President wants to affirm this Russian Leader who does not "repent," does not seek forgiveness, or make restitution. Instead, President Trump wants to unilaterally lift U.S. sanctions off this international terrorist of the first order, restore this vile leader to a seat at the right hand of power, and reward his own self-interests all in our name.

Has the United States given up on ethics?

We were warned, this man does not have the temperament to be the world's preeminent leader. He is abrupt, impulsive, self-interested, cold-hearted, superficial, and lacking the big picture of a diverse nation of 300 plus million people and a world of billions. Standing at the apex of world leadership, President DJ© Trump burps and appears as an incoherent talking ass  (Open link, please!)

And no, I am not being too hard on Donald Trump! Once we take the measure of his antics and accept "what you see is what you get," we see that DJ© has given anyone who does not accept this manners, the Finger!

Sparty On @2..4:

"SOSDD" is a term I am not familiar with at this juncture in me age.  I am afraid, as a lifetime member of the "DEEP STATE", I, am my colleagues, are at a loss as to what it means and are not familiar it's meaning. Although, I like the way it looks and rolls off my tongue. Please enlighten me.

Would you mind so terribly, if you might find time from cleaning your arsenal of weapons to ed-you-ma-Kate, this old boy?

Hello, Russian.

"I Can See Putin's Red Ass From My Kitchen Window" is a new one-act play that I am working onHell but a simultaneous attack from the combined forces of Iran-North Korea, China, Afghanistan, Syria, and the Saudis has curtailed my plans.

As everyone that is anyone knows, Trump can do it All.  "Whistle In The Dark, etc.:

Thank you for that informative video.

Oddly, our illegally installed POS in the Whitehouse is worshiped by 39% of 'Merica's slow talking, slow waking slant heads that sincerely believe that Trump is a political genius.

Our best chance is to Kick Republicans out of office on November 6th, 2018, less than 106, or, so days.

No, it is not "the United States ethics", it is Donald J. Trump's lack of ethics. However, the Republican Party is not blameless. After all, they brought "the Donald" to the "dance", and, have been protecting since his arrival. 

this former Marine who served during the cold war and still believes entirely in the concept of "better dead than red"

Your defense of Trump and his total subservience and grovelling to Putin belies that statement.  Right now Trump and the GOP are taking Russian intel over the US, they are lying about and damaging our national security in their attempts to protect Trump and themselves (because it seems like a lot of the party has some Russian money circulating around it).  How does any veteran accept that cringe-worthy weakness and humiliation?  IN FRONT OF THE WORLD!  Shocking and embarrassing.

r.t..@2.1.14, at 76.7 years, I believe it is past time for the "When They Go Low - We Go High". That did not work, not in the "rough and tumble of politics" never does. It only works in Phantasies in movies or made for TV shows.

The reality is that there are millions who benefit financially from POLITICS, E.g., McConnell, Ryan, Nunes, well, every damn Republican in Congress and some Demon-crats, particularly those from the DEEP SOUTH.

My view is that we are no longer involved with polite POLITICAL DEBATES. There hasn't, in my humbled by the years opinion one of those since the JFK-NIXON televised debates.

Republicans have been getting down in the Swamp since they opened their doors to Evangelical Bigots to pound folks on the head with their "Backwoods, primitive religious hatred, and courted the Segregations from the South that bolted the Democratic Party in the 1960s.

We are in the middle of a CYBERWAR, in which the Russians are winning. Trump and the Conservative Republicans in Congress benefited from the disruption, interference and financial contribution of a FOREIGN GOVERNMENT into our presidential election in 2016.

The Trump Administration, the Republican-controlled Congress, nor, any Republican organizations have offered assistance to the American Voters. Rather, they have obstructed, denied, interfered at every level with uncovering what had happened and instituting steps to take to make our Midterm Election in less than 106, or, so days, SAFE!

The Secretary of the State, Rex Tillerson has appropriated $120 million dollars for this purpose. To date. not ONE RED CENT has been spent.

In the House of Representatives, the House's Intelligence Committee has consistently worked actively against any investigation to unravel what went wrong. Instead, under Chairman Devin Nunes' leadership, the Republican-controlled Intelligence committee has functioned as TRUMP's protection team, rather, than working at the task of finding out what
ready took place during our PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.

As I approach my EXPIRATION DATE, my views and civility have changed.

Now, "When They Go Low", I propose we smack them as hard as we can with a lead-filled baseball bat to bring them to their senses. A technics I learned in Vietnam. Never negotiate with someone who is shooting at you.

 

Of course! You do good work sir!

We are in a CYBER WAR Foreign Governments and our TOP ELECTED OFFICIALS are "aiding and abetting Russia" for their own personal, greedy benefits.

This no longer a contest between political rivals, this is a dangerous and deadly active war with Putin.

Chose a side, Hombre and pray like Hell you are on the right side of history. Because this is for keeps. It is not REALITY TV.

I am searching for the outrage!

President Obama got all 50 state collective out of the 'red' - out of a Recession. And, all the while, the conservatives lie, obfuscated, and bashed him personally and his administration without impunity. A democrat-moderate "original" saved us from a great recession and did not let us taste of a deep depression.

President Trump has chucked all of prior presidential administrations values and judgements into his "file 13!" President Trump speaks poorly of all other presidents and openly maligns his immediate predecessor. President Trump lies with deliberation before the fact, actively pals around with terrorists of the highest order, and rather than developing personal spirituality and connections—he improperly out-sources this to the Christian-Right. President Trump is attempting to position himself as this country's singular authority, thus sitting himself ontop of the Rule of Law!

For my part: I have had enough of listening to Trump and his sycophants! There has never been a more truer time: "To Take  Our Country Back For Everyone!"

INDEPENDENTS YOUR COUNTRY IS DEPENDING ON YOU TO DO THE RIGHT THING IN THE NOVEMBER MIDTERM ELECTIONS!

I qualify my vote with a "cautious" Amen. I understand your heart on this one, and no actual violence will occur (I think). Smile.

That is the same argument Trump used about the Charlottesville riot led by Neo-Nazis that result in the murder of an unarmed, innocent young ladies, "There was blame on all sides", our bloated, Con Artist, Faked President lied.

Wake up, and, stop protecting Republicans running interfence for Trump's treasonous behavior.

One side is romancing Putin.  The other is not.

One side is embracing "Open Carry Gun Laws". The Other is not.

One side is ripping children and babies from their Mother's arm for a misdemeanor offense and locking them in cages. The other side is not.

One side is accussing the Media, our own American Intelligence agencies and their top administrator of disseminating  FAKE NEWS. The other side is not.

One side is taking moneym illegally from Russia. The other side is not.

One side is supported by the National Rifle Association which took $45 million from Russian operatives.

One side had a political campaigned staffed at the highest level with people who had and still have financial ties to Russia. The other side did not.

One side had a presidential canidate that publicly encourage violence, used profanity and spewed likes like it was exhaling CO. The other side did not.

One side was rude, bellicose, attacking, unprofessional. The other side was not.

Comrade Obama only made our country worse.  He tried to complete the destruction of this country.

he will rank in the bottom 5 worst presidents

Comrade Obama only made our country worse.  He tried to complete the destruction of this country.

he will rank in the bottom 5 worst presidents

DNFTT

Livefreeordie - When did the last recession begin? Do you know the name of the president who announced the great Recession?

Who is this man and why is he dancing?!

Think the Obama's and Clinton's earned their millions legitimately? They are no better than any of the past Republican presidents. Think that Pelosi, Schumer, and the rest of the career Democrats in Congress are any cleaner than their Republican counterparts?  Insider deals, pay for play, and an Establishment government that refuses to take any action against them.  Trump is a part of the Establishment- he is on the money supply side- he is supposed to be paying Establishment politicians- not become one of them. Trump won w/o Establishment backing. They can't have that. Next thing you know anyone might think they can be president w/o paying their Establishment dues.

Well, this is true in part but, can you show me a tape were Putin admits to helping Clinton, Pelosi, Obama or, Schumer win an election? Let me help you out with one were Putin admits to helping Trump,

Everyone but Ayn Rand is supposedly a Marxist, a fascist or a communist totalitarian, but she also needed Social Security and Medicare, that the fake libertarians claim to hate.

That is the same argument Trump used about the Charlottesville riot led by Neo-Nazis that result in the murder of an unarmed, innocent young ladies, "There was blame on all sides", our bloated, Con Artist, Faked President lied.

Yep.   The "both sides do it" argument is both dishonest and ignores the reality of the situation.   Such false equivalencies aren't helpful at all.

 ..... google is your friend and like my great grandpappy used to say ..... "the lord helps those who help themselves."

If you're still having trouble after that, give me a shout and i'll be happy to dole out a little comprehension serenity now.

I don't know how you can seriously post such obtuse, rationalized nonsense.   One hopes you are not serious but based on available empirical evidence one knows that you are.

Yep, i think the cheese has finally slipped completely off that cracker this time or perhaps it always was.

LiveFreeOrCryLikeASpoiledBabyBecauseYouDidn'tGetYour Way on Everything:

As a lifetime member of the DEEP STATE, I can readily assure you that there is no "Comrade Obama" in our Super Secret Ranks of Misfits & Conspiracy Fools, of, which, I have at various times served as President.

However, as you know in these highly politicalized roles one is frequently and without cause, "Impeached", which leave the door open for your speculation.

But during my reign, aka, "Winnie's Absolute Terror", I knew all 12 disciples by their first name. I even knew my own.  

My research indicated that this character Obama never did exist and his contributions, if any, have been successfully blotted out by the most productive, self-promoting POS to ever hold that position.

Here is ONLY a partial list of Trump record-setting achievements.

Please, speak ENGLISH. We do not allow "Speaking-In-Tongues" on this site due to the influx of Demons that flock to our page like White Republicans to a Black Whorehouse. It's just overwhelming.

Besides, one must have some ethical boundaries! 

Republicans have a knack for selecting candidates that appeal to a certain segment of voter that "CANNOT, OR WILL NOT READ".

Their strategy is also effective at the local and state level. Soon, everyone in America will ONLY watch FOX TV NETWORK NEWS and workship Joel Olstein. It is written in the Bible, somewhere.

I am delighted that Putin, a stand-up guy, no,t like our own POS, Trump, admitted to his EVIL DEEDS.

Putin is not backing down and he will shot anyone that proposes he do so. Unlike our Commander & POS, Trump, who changes his position with every visitor to the Whitehouse.

Since the Republicans installed Putin as the new chair of the Republican Party, I believe 'Merican, all 'Mericans, even those Sons of the Devil, Liberals will come to their senses, learning to love Putin as Trump has.



















 It took a lot of COURAGE for Trump to come out of the closet.

The Republican Establishment are almost as bad as the Democrats

I watch the communist MSNBC every day because I want to know what the enemy of liberty is saying

Joel Osteen is a heretic and false preacher

Any Rand also was a slut, who slept with the Executive Director of her Ayn Rand Institute and had an long time affair with him. She was one of the first female woman CEOS that demanded sexual favors from her top employees.  Born in Russia to Jewish parent, they fled to America, where she began a vaery successful screen writer, before turning to writing fiction.

With the success of her books made in to hit movies like Fountain Head and Atlas Shrugged, she became filthy rich, developed the ethics of the "Filthy Rich", they, turned her FICTION into fact and established her Any Rand Institutes, in the late fifties though the 70's.

Although, her key core belief was that no one get a free ride ever, she kept her lazy, parasite of an unemployedartist-husband in the finest of life style all of his life and had countless affair. The remarkable thing she was as ugly as the Jewish, Movie Mogul was that got boot out of his motions for doing the very same thing.

A lot of politicians that claim to me Christians use her books and life-style as their guide, even though Ayn Rand was an ATHEISTS.

She was famous and idolized, and is till, among Right Wing Political Wonks, like Rand Paul, Paul Ryan, Alan Greensburg, (who worked for her), and, many, many more of today's RICH, RIGHT WING, POLITICAL EXTREMISTS that believe that Man's Purpose is to be SELFISH!

Apparently, ( Deleted ) no one, but, the "White, Blue Eyed, Blond Hair, non-Jewish JESUS measures up to your high standards.

I take it you live alone on Social Security and your Veterans Disability while condemning the poor, the mentally disable, the diseased the sick, the poorly educate as creating their own poverty by not "Beliving your Band of Hell Fire and Brimstone".

Has GOD ever spoken directly to you? HE has too me.

Has God ever worked miracles in your life as he has done many, many times in mine? Although, I do not denigrate HIM by calling myself a "Christian", nor do I list my religious beliefs as CHRISTIAN, meaning, "Christ like".

Has God allowed you to speak to and hear the "Dead", as he has done so in my life?

lets refer to each other by our chosen ( present ) screen names, please. name calling and labeling won't fly. {SP}

You go, Shrek, turn Green and jump on out. Your country NEED YOU NOW!

I have purposely never read Ayn Rand nor do iascribribe to her beliefs to get my minarchist  views.  John Locke, John Stuart Mills, Frederic Bastiat, Jefferson, Samuel Adams, and modern theorists like Hayek, Thomas Sowell, and Walter Williams are preferable 

If you hear the “dead” those are demons

im a working minister who owns and operates an insurance, tax preparation, and accounting business 

i received the gift of tongues in 1962.

HA!

Eat', you have a way with pictures! I love that, Sir!

DNFTT = "DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS"

"Black whorehouse"? I'm scared of you! (Smile.)

Please, speak ENGLISH. We do not allow "Speaking-In-Tongues" on this site due to the influx of Demons that flock to our page like White Republicans to a Black Whorehouse.

I do speak English, well American English, I did go to Hogwarts when I was younger though.

im a working minister who owns and operates an insurance, tax preparation, and accounting business 

What's the name of the business so I can avoid it in the future and, tell my friends to do the same.

i received the gift of tongues in 1962.

I've had a tongue in my mouth since the day I was born, who "gifted" yours to you and, when, I didn't know anyone could do something like that. Where can you get a different tongue?

i received the gift of tongues in 1962.

That reminds me of Robert Tilton: 

i received the gift of tongues in 1962

You grew extra tongues or did several arrive in the mail?

Well, those of some hefty reads, indeed. But, have you ever talked to God?

So, you are a businessman who received the gift of the tongues from Whom?

As the wise man said, a "picture is worth a 1000 words", I am but his humble servant. But, thank you, just the same. 

I believe that it is time we stop letting the most ignorant in our midst free access to peddle their conspiracy theories and their religious SUPERSTITION simply because they dress their bigotry and ignorance in religious grabs.

We are facing our WWII, our 9/11 again, our 3rd Civil Wa, as every generation, in America has faced theirs and rededicated themselves to our core principles. 

Will this generation answer the call, when our country rings them up, or, will they be too busy with their video games, internet chats, "bitcoins" accumulation to engage?

Pat Robertson sells "Talking In Tongues" audio kits on his 700 Club TV Show, only 34 channel from the Devil at 666 on your Morning Dial!

Babel, the fastest way to learn a new language, and the cause of multiple tongues in the first place, is currently locked in a convoluted lawsuit with Robertson over "the Rights" to sell "Talking-In-Tongues" to the general public.

It looks like it will go all the way to the Supreme Court. But, legal pundits are worried that the case will be published in "Tongues" and only the "Few" will know what the Hell, Hell was talking about.

Stay tuned! It looks like another barn burning, Hell & Fire Brimstone Raising top seller!  

Sorry, I missed typed, I meant "Black Water Ho's", a Cheney/Trump/Prince enterprise that is sweeping the Red Light districts and turning them all to GREEN!

Just as I suspected, talking in riddles is not that dissimilar to talking in CAPITAL LETTERS! (DNFTT), huh!

Midget grow, I, too, have witnessed that when several have come out of bone surgery. However, the cost is quite exonerating compare to the "Talking-In-Tongues" gifted crowd of "gifters".

i received the gift of tongues in 1962.

What language do you speak? If you don't speak a real language, even an ancient one, it's gibberish and you're not really speaking in tongues.

Robert Tilton is very gifted in tongues.   The man has an endless stream of gibberish languages to offer:

What a gift!

I'm totally embarrassed for this guy. I wonder if he could tell us what language he was speaking?

We've seen all of Obama's and Hillary and Bill Clinton's tax returns for the last 10 plus years.  What's Trump hiding?  I think it's way more than a piss tape.

We've seen all of Obama's and Hillary and Bill Clinton's tax returns for the last 10 plus years. 

Not true. I have not seen the because I don't care what their or anybody else's tax forms say. 

I'm totally embarrassed for this guy.

I'm not.  It's just another religious scam.

Hogwarts, my goodness gracious, I grad-u-mated there under the football bleachers. Both of my illiterate, illegitimate children were conceived there.

It's a small world, ain't it?

It is the language of "The Conned", an ancient one that is still used to this day by the Uber Rich.

Do you do your clients' taxes in "Tongues"? I think by CPA does. I can't understand a thing he says, other than, "You owe the IRA $$$$$$$$$$$$$$".

Now, now, my children, when one is as old as I, as feeble, one will see the Third Eye daily and understand that there are many ways to "skin a cat, but, none that the cat likes".

In other words, if I may speak in "gibberish", religious freedom is protected at the moment, so, I occasionally believe that one is entitled to make up their own.

Yup, he's entitled to be a smarmy fraud.  And fools are entitled to part with their money via him.

It is indeed.

Do you do your clients' taxes in "Tongues"? I think by CPA does. I can't understand a thing he says, other than, "You owe the IRA $$$$$$$$$$$$$$".

I think you were thinking of someone else when you wrote this.

Perhaps, I rarely, if ever, know what I am talking about, or, to whom. I just love to "rattle" on and on and on. Please, do not be offended. I make lost of mistakes, missteps and mispronunciations. It is awkward being a "Certified Part-Time Idiot and a Full-Time Moron", but, at least, now know who I "yam".

No thanks, I want those personal tax tax cuts to become permanent and that’s not going to happen if the Dems get in. I want another conservative Supreme Court Justice if Ginsburg goes in the next couple of years and I don’t want to see the Dems roadblocking that. I want deregulation not more unnecessary regulations. I’ve never voted for a Democrat in my entire life because they’ve never given me a reason to vote for them and I probably never will. In the big picture I’m much happier with congress now than I was when Obama and the Dems had control in 2009. If not for the Republicans getting control of the House in 2010 cash for clunkers would have been just the beginning of the theft and redistribution hell Obama would have unleashed upon us. 

You approve permanent TAX CUTS for billionaires , and, now want TAX CUTS for all America to be permant, as written in this shambles of a Tax Bill passed to appease Trump's base.

Obviously, you do not do your own taxes, know anything about this new tax law, and, made only enough money to get a tax benefit, from other folks money.

Wake up! Read the damn bill instead of repeating with the MULTI-MILLIONAIRE AND BILLIONAIRES in the GOP want you to believe. I know that many people are Republicans, because it make them feel good. Democrats are painted as the party of the poor, the shiftless, the cheaters and the loafers.

Are you that naive that you believe Trump, Pence, McConnell, Tillerson, Wilbur Ross, or, anyone in the REPUBLICAN PARTY.

We are, and, have been, robbed by REPUBLICAN POLICIES DESIGNED TO MAKE THE RICH RICHERS, and, public relation programs paid for my them, to tell the public how good it is for them to be bilked.

GROW UP!

Yes I just spent a couple of days dealing with the accounts and lawyers and see big benefits to the new tax laws. The benefits I’m getting will benefit all those below me as I’m able to create opportunities for them through my expanded capital investments.

"Tax cuts are not working for the 'forgotten American' who thought Donald Trump was going to get them a better deal. That's worth remembering." — Velshi.

"Not yet." — Ruhle.

Do you and Trump reside in the same dimension?  Please, spell out in plain English the benefits for giving Tax breaks to the 1%.

More FAX NEWS, fake fact, fake journalists!

Velshi and Ruhle (MSNBC) set the record straight without the spin. VP Pence is a staunch Christian and ought to be ashamed of himself for slanting and not scaling his tax facts properly! I love that we have trustworthy people who know their economics and are willing to speak out against the economic "fog-machine." Go Velshi and Ruhle! We should support these two clarion callers.

Because it’s their own money. ( deleted )

Those two are nothing but lovers of Marxist fascist crony capitalism, open borders, sexual perversion, infanticide, anti gun rights, and communist redistribution of wealth.

i watch them daily as one would monitor any enemy of liberty

Those two are nothing but lovers of Marxist fascist crony capitalism, open borders, sexual perversion, infanticide, anti gun rights, and communist redistribution of wealth.

You forgot to say they hate white people. 

Are you certain, LiveFreeOrDie?

That sound like you are describing one of the numerous orgies I attend in college. I certainly miss those "Religious Experiences", don't you?

I had repressed so much/

I completely blotted it out of me Left Leaning Liberal Mind until I read your post and then, like a magic mushroom, it all came raining down on me.  Thank you!

If that’s what I believed about them I would have stated it

Because it’s their own money.  Only you communists believe in totalitarian government forcibly seizing what people and businesses earn

 Your replies would be hilarious if they were satire, but I'm sure that you believe every word of this nonsense. 

Yes I can explain it so even you can understand. I do aerospace work. Right now I’m at full capacity and I’m farming some of the overload work out to a business located in Windsor, Ontario. The funds I’m currently accumulating from the tax cuts will soon be used for purchase of a building and equipment so the overflow work will be done in-house by American workers. I build a business the old fashion way with profit not debt. I will be able to hire more employees and put more Americans to work at high paying skilled jobs building a stronger USA. It is MAGA in action.  

Right and thanks for proving like a loyal leftist you believe what people earn belongs to the government 

Well, it is plain to see there is a whole lot of watchin' going on! Here's to stopping and patting down all the new robber barons before they skip away to Pleasantville with all the money they 'cheat' in not paying ordinary full-time wage earners.

I'll go there. We have no way of verifying anything you wrote there. Caution: And you should be clever not to expose yourself or your enterprises without proper forethought. But, that is not the gist of the discussion of tax cuts anyway. In 3.1.2 above, listen, the real issue is ordinary workers are not being brought in on the boon!

Right and thanks for proving like a loyal leftist you believe what people earn belongs to the government 

Where did I say that?

Oh, please, "Live Free Or Die", aka, " And Kill Everyone That Disagrees Wit'  You 'Cause They Ain't As  SUPERDUPER Patriotic as U be"!

Please, accept me apology if I offended thee. I meant no offense. I jest want to mend da fence.

I am a distinguished, frequently disbarred, high level member of the Super Secret DEEP STATE. We are so secret, we don't know where we are to meet, which means that there are less meetings per year, than other groups.

Perhaps, you would like to join?  Simply send $25 dollars "cash" to me and I will telepathetically email our application.

Man, I"ll tell you, you read our agenda as if you is one of us. Are you?  We, unfortunately, try so hard to keep our Agenda and Politica Plans TOP SECRET & CRYPTONIAN that we often forget what they are.

Thanks for reminding us what we are. Are we the "good guys" or the "bad guys"? At 76.7 years, I get a little mixed up!

Because you mocked that fact. The government through the communist income tax controls how much of our money we get to keep.

Marx wrote that the progressive income tax was an essential element to transition from capitalism to communism 

our founders considered an income tax to be part of tyrannical government 

Anyone who supports the Marxist Statism pushed on us by the Democrats and Establishment Republicans is either an enemy of liberty or lacking the cognitive ability to recognize they want us enslaved to the State

Your idea of slavery is that you are not allowed to catch rainwater. 

This is slavery dude.

Santa, looks alone, would be backwood preacher man living on "Guv'mint hand outs", you seem to have an enormous amount of backed up anger, misinformation, and limited education.

I, therefore, surmise that you are a STRONG SUPPORTER of Trump, the thrice married, serial adulterer, who has gotten rich, rich as HEROD by creating everyone he has none business with out of their hard earned MONEY.

Are you aware that the charges the SPECIAL COUNSEL is investigating are about TREASON, not collusion? Our POS FAKE PRESIDENT, installed in the Whitehouse "with a little help from his friend", Putin, i technicall correct. The is  "NO COLLUSION" as our First FAKE PRESIDENT whines about over and over on national TV everyday.

There is, however,  locked semi-trucks full of documents, indictments, videos, photos, memo, bank statements, and ye, even the FAKE POS's tax returns proving, without a "shadow of a doubt", that one, Donald J. Trump has been receiving billions of dollars from the Russian coverment for over 20 years and has had person relationship with Russian Mafia (Oligarch) for that length of time.

Some are saying that Trump was "Compromised" by the Russian, or, "duped". Others, that have known him and Manafort, and Nunes, and McConnel, say, "Trump was a willing participant in TREASON at the highest level", and, he damn near got away with it.

Because you mocked that fact. The government through the communist income tax controls how much of our money we get to keep.

Marx wrote that the progressive income tax was an essential element to transition from capitalism to communism 

our founders considered an income tax to be part of tyrannical government 

You need to stop using terms that you do not understand. There is no such thing as communist taxes because there would be no money under communism because everything is held jointly. 

Taxes were never seen as tyrannical by the founding fathers, as long as those taxpayers had commensurate representation in government. 

Remove the blinders from your eyes, you are seeing only what you want to see. You are not seeing the Truth. The Truth will set you free.

You are Not FREE, "Leave It or Love It Man", your hatred, bigotry and jealous controls what you see. Look at the sky and ask "Why"!

Repeating the warped rhetorics of Alex Jones, Fox TV Network News, Rush Limbaugh, etc. all is akin to looking at the moon through thick come bottle with sharp shards in them. the only thing one will see is the "blood and pain of self-inflicted injuries caused by stupid beliefs.

Evidently someone forgot to tell Marx about your view on communism and money.

you can find his statement on the need for heavy progressive income taxes along with an estate tax in Section II, Proletarians and Communists, steps to transition from Capitalism to Communism

Most of Marx's steps to transition from Capitalism to Communism found in Section II, Proletarians and Communists of the Communist Manifesto have already become law and policy (words in parenthesis are my comments)

“Chapter II. Proletarians and Communists

The Communist revolution is the most radical rupture with traditional property relations; no wonder that its development involved the most radical rupture with traditional ideas.

But let us have done with the bourgeois objections to Communism.

We have seen above, that the first step in the revolution by the working class is to raise the proletariat to the position of ruling class to win the battle of democracy.

The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degree, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralise all instruments of production in the hands of the State, i.e., of the proletariat organised as the ruling class; and to increase the total productive forces as rapidly as possible.

Of course, in the beginning, this cannot be effected except by means of despotic inroads on the rights of property, and on the conditions of bourgeois production; by means of measures, therefore, which appear economically insufficient and untenable, but which, in the course of the movement, outstrip themselves, necessitate further inroads upon the old social order, and are unavoidable as a means of entirely revolutionising the mode of production.

These measures will, of course, be different in different countries.

Nevertheless, in most advanced countries, the following will be pretty generally applicable.

A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes. (eminent domain)

Abolition of all rights of inheritance. (estate tax)

Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly. (Federal Reserve)

Centralization of the means of communication and transport in he hands of the state. (FCC & Dept Of Transportation)

Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a         common plan. (AIG, GM, Dept of Agriculture, OSHA, EPA)

Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.   (unionism)

Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country. (urbanization)

Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc (John Dewey a communist and founder of American Public Schools -Dewey considered "the great task of the school" to be "to counteract and transform those domestic and neighborhood tendencies" which he specifically and accurately identified as "the influence of home and Church." In order for Dewey's "progressive" agenda to advance, the moral authority of "home and Church" would have to be undermined and replaced with the authority of the state.)

“The bourgeois family will vanish as a matter of course when its complement vanishes, and both will vanish with the vanishing of capital. (homosexual marriage, feminism)

“seek to end all religious belief and practice (which is a common sentiment here by the      socialists)”

constitution

I never said the founders said all taxes, I said the income tax

Thomas Jefferson inaugural address March 4,1801

"what more is necessary to make us a happy and a prosperous people? Still one thing more, fellow citizens, a wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government; and this is necessary to close the circle of our felicities."

Thomas Jefferson inaugural address March 4,1801

• "[Montesquieu wrote in Spirit of the Laws, XIII,c.14:] 'A capitation is more natural to slavery; a duty on merchandise is more natural to liberty, by reason it has not so direct a relation to the person.'" --Thomas Jefferson: copied into his Commonplace Book.

Hylton v. United States , 3 U.S. 171 (1796), direct taxes are unconstitutional

The distinction between direct and indirect taxation was first extensively discussed by Adam Smith in his Wealth of Nations , as in the following passage:

“It is thus that a tax upon the necessaries of life operates exactly in the same manner as a direct tax upon the wages of labour. ... if he is a manufacturer, will charge upon the price of his goods this rise of wages, together with a profit; so that the final payment of the tax, together with this overcharge, will fall upon the consumer ^"

I have none of the issues you ascribe to me

i only want all mankind to live in liberty free of the oppression and control of others including governments.

nor as a minarchist do I seek to impose my morality on society.  I oppose all so called moral laws like drug laws, pornography, prostitution, marriage and divorce, and censorship.  These are private moral issues and should not under the purview 

Christian libertarianism describes the synthesis of Christian beliefs concerning free will, human nature, and God-given inalienable rights with libertarian political philosophy. It is also an ideology to the extent that its supporters promote their cause to others and join together as a movement. In contrast to the Christian left and the Christian right respectively, they believe charity and enforcement of personal-level morality should be the purview of the (voluntary) church and not the state. These responsibilities must not be abrogated, though any non-governmental organization (NGO) not publicly financed is free to pursue them as well.

Secular libertarianism, socialism, fascism, and crony capitalism are strongly opposed, as is theocracy. The latter does not include merely being influenced by Christian concepts; whereas in a theocracy, government derives its powers from a divine or religious authority directly exercising governmental control. The use of force is never justified to achieve purely political, social, or religious goals, but is reserved solely to uphold natural rights.

"Our founders" did not have 300 plus million citizens "stuffed" in 13 original colonies to contend with their necessities, hopes, and aspirations for one thing. In the founders' period, the count was more along the lines of five million citizens, including slaves, thereabouts. 

Our country's tendencies have not been towards socialism, or any such slippery slope effect, but an ever expanding population inevitably creates expansion of public services. As a matter of business growth, personal efficiency, and social conveniences, by the 1900's the citizenry had to develop (create systems) working roads for new autos, highway systems, public school systems, state universities, park systems, and aid programs for new industries and individuals alike. 13 colonies did not have to deal with modern business (negative) externalities such as industries to administer the safety of foods, general health departments (to tamp down epidemics), public research and development departments, all of these and more because of urbanization (people living in close proximity to one another: towns, cities, organized communities. For cities and close-knit communities to function properly with decency, services, and opportunities a compromise of business and worker compiling their efforts through taxes was struck. Some self-reliance, of necessity, gave way to the whole of the process.

Nonsense.

The Industrial Revolution

T he I ndustrial R evolution brought enormous advances in productivity, but with steep environmental costs. During the Industrial Revolution, environmental pollution in the United States increased with the emergence of new sources of fuel, large factories, and sprawling urban centers.

Link here!

Calbab: This country becoming industrialized did not bring about any sort of statist "divine right of kings" or "divine of government officials." People simply saw no reason or use, in large part, for staying out on the wilderness plains! Life was (becoming) easier in towns, cities, and early metropolises (aka. Collectives.)

Moreover, though industrialization came with some of the externalities and social issues I have listed here, we solved those issues through the collective use of government regulations .

That was an awfully long answer to be non responsive. It has nothing to do with why Statism and liberty are incompatible 

Statism is the belief that the civil government (or man via civil government) is the ultimate authority in the earth and as such is the source of law, morality, and righteousness (that which is right and wrong).   Statism has manifested itself in different ways throughout history, and can be expressed through democratic and non-democratic governments alike.

A statist government treats its political sovereignty as a platform for moral sovereignty. In other words, as ultimate sovereign, the state is therefore not subject to God , the Bible , natural law, or any other religion or ethical system. A statist government need not be accountable to its own citizens.  

The philosopher Georg Hegel described the state as "God walking on earth". ^[2] In other words, as the state is the ultimate power in life, it assumes the status of God and can do as it pleases. This line of thinking influenced the political thought of atheist Karl Marx .  

"STATISM is that particular form of collectivism in which individuals are forced to be subservient to government (as distinguished, if possible, from a religious or cult leader, roving invader or local gangster).  Anyone in government who wants to extend his power, or anyone else (who has political influence) with agendas to advance, monopolies to secure, axes to grind or revenge to take -- can make claims that certain governmental actions would be in the national, state, society or even family interest and must 'therefore' take precedence over any individual interests whatsoever.  With this 'justification' the people in government can proceed to enforce such claims, often enthusiastically, sometimes brutally, but always with impunity." -- Rick Gaber

"The policy of seeking values from human beings by means of force, when practiced by an individual, is called crime. When practiced by a government, it is called statism ..." -- Nathaniel Branden,  

Collectivism through Statism is in opposition to Christianity.  Jesus came to set the captives free from the oppression of both sin and anything including governments that put us in bondage.   Either we are looking to God as the one who gives us our rights, liberty, and our needs, or we look to government.  Either we are praising and glorifying God for these things, or you are doing so to the state.

. . . which shall restrain men from injuring one another. . . .

High-brow words, indeed! Who can get men to not injure one another? That will be a heavenly day!

All and all, by 1913 the government of the United States, made up of its citizens given designations , saw that if the nation and its people were going to prosper on the whole, a progressive (gradual) income tax (yes, redistributed prosperity) was necessary. Thus, Congress made the tax permanent:

Are you conflating God with (local) governmental rule?! Are you conflating Christianity with The Constitution of the United States?!

I would label such an esteem document as our Constitution, for the purposes of this conversation, "another gospel,'"except our mutual constitution has never lent itself to any such pronouncement or purposes.

Jesus came to set the captives free from the oppression of both sin and anything including governments that put us in bondage.

With much respect, what "captive in bondage" have you seen physically released on the authority of Jesus? Please elaborate. Indeed, the history of our two-hundred plus years old state, the United States, involves the "weirdness" of the Christian Church sadly once affirming a brute fact that men are free to own as property other men and women! It happened here of all places, with its Constitution, or should I state in-spite of it!

Oddly enough, there are shades of President Trump and his cohorts (Fox News, "Yes men and women," a percentage of conservatives, and the Christian-Right) racing through my mind as I read your comment. (Snort!)

I repeat:

Calbab: This country becoming industrialized did not bring about any sort of statist "divine right of kings" or "divine of government officials." People simply saw no reason or use, in large part, for staying out on the wilderness plains! Life was (becoming) easier in towns, cities, and early metropolises (aka. Collectives.)

Moreover, though industrialization came with some of the externalities and social issues I have listed here, we solved those issues through the collective use of government regulations.

300 plus people running around inside this country without 'regulation'? Sir, you would not like it very much and nor would I! You can recollect why this nation rushed to develop The U.S. Marshall Service in 1789? The need was present to rein in those "patriots" who acted against collective rules put in and held in place by the citizenry.

NOTE: Do I think there are abuses of power and too much taxation in places, at times, sure. But, my disagreements with our modern government which can be 'corrected' as needed, is far from hinting at dismantling our present system which incorporates all our collective history of living, working, and striving together to become a better union!

"Proving like a loyal leftist", are you starting to "Talk-In-Tongue". Is this a discussion on religion or economics, in which everything that is wrong with our commercial enterprises in the fault of evil liberal that can grow from midgets while talking in tongues to deities?

Now, even I, a confused man, am getting confused.

Go, Girl, I am calling the View and seeing if I can get you booked. When are you available?

Sir, I-not a girl. The View? Moi??  HA!

The income tax is a tool of all totalitarian governments. It turns free people into subjects.

i have fought to repeal the tyrannical 16th amendment since I was 10 and read the writings of the founders. I will oppose until I die.

leftists love seizing other people’s money to give government control over our lives and businesses.

"Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any further obedience." -- John Locke, 1690

I seek to dismantle most of what the Federal government does in its unconstitutional power grab from the states and the people

Have you invested any of your time in attempting to end farm subsidies, Livefreeordie? Because, in order to kill off this so-called, "tyrannical" permanent income tax, you should first lift the 'weights' off of it. That way you can plan this tax demise more readily. Then and again, . . . agriculture groups might not take kindly to non-farmers interfering in their maintenance programs.

Yes I’ve been writing to Congress and Presidents for 51 years calling for the end of all farm, corporate, and personal subsidies.  Too few politicians want to do what’s right

Repealing laws and regulations 

If you want no laws or regulations, there are places like that you could move to.

Define 'right' in this context, please.

You do realize the gulf existing now between the rich and poor, was more severe before a permanent income tax and subsidies, no?

I see, is that from one of your visions, your studies, or, a mammoth "Talking-In-Tongues" marathon to whoever it is you are Talking-In-Tongues to, who, then, talks in tongues back to you?

Mental Institutions, come to mind!

Pastor Jim Jones, an Evangelical, Born Again, Self-Proclaimed Christian, had much the same idea as you. Did you study with him, at his Church in Indianapolis?

Jesus did not instruct his followers or disciples to "tear down anything"!  Why do you believe that it is your role to do so?

Anyone can destroy, only a few can build.  Perhaps, you should re-focus on doing "GOOD", INSTEAD of tearing down the government.

Mental Institutions, come to mind!

every time I open my eyes

The image is a "laugh-a-thon."

The so-called power grabs you refer to settled by the CIVIL WAR.  Those biblical and racist bigots still cling to the ideals of the Confederacy, subservient to the Big Lie that they where fighting and killing for State Rights are delusional, sour, defeatists who want to turn the clock back to the dark, corrupt days of LEGAL SLAVERY.

Awaken from you twisted nightmare. It is not your role to dismantle anything unless you are aligned with the Dark Forces and not the GOD OF GOOD. You, sir, like all of us are put one sand particle screaming in the darkness of the injustice of the forces we do not, or, cannot understand.

Good night, your premise is, like Trump's based on ego, not, on doing good, I fear. Try praying in ENGLISH. Stop inviting the Devil into your heart and mind by speaking in gibberish.  There is no gift there, only, nonsense.

This, My Friends, are where we are today. Time to Awaken. It is no longer a political debate.

No thanks, I want those personal tax tax cuts to become permanent and that’s not going to happen if the Dems get in.

It's not going to happen with the Republicans and, Trump in there, they've already said so.

if you think not enough people came out to support the left in the last election?

ya aint seen nothing yet

3 MILLION MORE VOTERS came out to support HRC, then the Business Crook Trump, despite the 700,000 mail in ballot throw away in Florida, Republican Gerrymandering, Russian Interference and billions dumped into the campaign by the SUPERRICH and International Corporations.

A handful of Republican Family call the shots in America and they will do anything to hang on to the GOLDEN OX than only they get to gore.

Every damn trick in the book, include trying to fire Special Counsel Mueller, attempts to start a war, round the clock lies so numerous it is hard to keep up with them will be on STEROID by the greedy this NOVEMBER 6th to keep their cookie jar to themselve.

KICK THEIR CONGEALED ASSES OUT OF OFFICE!

3 MILLION MORE VOTERS came out to support HRC,

have you figured out the USA is not a democracy yet?   if not, work on that.

 the national majority does not mean a thing.  and it never will.

we took our country back and we did not ask anyone for permission or approval.

not only will we not apologize, but we will dismantle the liberal world order.

cheers

but we will dismantle the liberal world order.

case in point.

businessinsider

the days of the USA funding other countries growth via shit trade deals? are over.

So sayeth, the Man that the world trust and knows that in his heart of checkbooks, Trump has always worked for the "Little Man", for "country" and "to Right The Wrong", when not raping and pillaging.

HEADS UP:

Trump is not was he says he is. He is the opposite. 

He is the opposite.

you keep saying that... meanwhile, trump keeps doing exactly what we elected him to do.

 we know it is hard on the left to see lower taxes and better trade deals for our country but as they say...

c'est la vie

cheers

At some point in one's intellectual journey, one must stop regurgitating mother's opinions and develop one's own insights.

It is intimidating, at first, not to have all of the answers to all of the questions and all of the snappy replies, but, one gets used to the mysteries of life, as opposed to the autocratic beliefs systems of others.

Chill out, reach out, and recognize that you no little of the Universe, little of anything. Silence is best for the young.

The evidence is overwhelming if you want to seek the truth, rather, than confer FOX TV NETWORK NOISES' "TALKING POINTS"!

1. Trump and his so-called, business, Trump Organization, has been involved with 3500 LAWSUITS. Thousands more aggrieved contractors, (installers, painters, plumbers, electricians, and every trade in the construction business) settled for far less than they were owed.

The State of New Jersey's Contractors Association banned Trump's organization from hiring any of their contractors because he didn't pay, they, or only paid a portion. Then, threatened them with a team of attorneys that would tie their case up for decades in courts, nearly bankrupting the litigants.

2. Trump does business with the NY Mafia, the New York Mafia and the Russia Mafia. He also, and his children do as well, launders money for the Drug Cartel in Columbia and Panama.

3. Trump is a known pathological liar who lies about his hair, his weight, his height, his wife's education, his wealth, and, according to his ghost writer, "everything, even things he does not need to lie about."

In the Art of the Deal, Trump brags that he is successful because he is not bothered by ethics. He will do anything, including lying if it closes the "Deal."

4. Trump claims to be a "self-made billionaire." The fact is when his father, Frederick died; he left "the Donald" a fully operating company and 250,000,000 dollars in the early 1970's. In today's money that is the equivalent of 2.5 BILLION DOLLARS.

The list is endless. Trump is being investigated by the FBI, the CIA, and 14 other American Intel Agencies say he is compromised by the Russians.

I, too, for an "NY Minute" was taken with Trump's bravado, but, as I began to look more closely at his business record, I discovered that Trump is not a SUCCESSFUL BUSINESSMAN as he claims.  He is a SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS CROOK, as all of New York knows.

Ronin 2, the easy way out is to dismiss everyone as equally guilty without any evidence, rather than, taking the time, making the effort to siffting thorough themountan of materia, evidence and big boys stuff  to determine what can be done to SAVE YOUR COUNTRY FROM CORRUPTION!

Power, greed and corruption have driven civilizations since the beginning of time, but, like MURDER, it is not something we turn away from because everyone does it, and pat ourselves on the head assuming we are above those that do.

Burying your head in the sand under mounds of "Well, they did it too," is the cowards way of ducking their CALL TO DUTY!

There are three kinds of people:

1. The type that complain constantly.

2. The kind that can see no wrong.

3. And the kind that roles up their sleeve and says, "Yes, this is a Shithole Nation", as our FAKE, CORRUPT, MENTALLY DISTURBED, POS, say, then, roll up their sleeve, recognizing that every generation has a duty to FLUSH their own commode.

We can only make it better if we are actively participating, but, if we sit on the sidelines and expect others to do it. It never gets done.

This moment in HISTORY if our call to action. In twenty years, if we are still alive, we may very well have to throw the "Whole BUNCH OUT again".

We can fix it, but, not by giving up. Not my dreaming it away, not by forming 3rd, 4th parties and expecting miracle. We have what, 107 day left before the Midterm Election. I don't give a damn if a person is a Republican, a Conservative, a Liberal, a Fag, a Democrat, an Independent, or, a Religios Nut Bag filled with Superstition.

In our country it is OUR duty to vote our conscious, not pull the levers for WHAT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY and FOX TV TELL US is best for this country.

If you cannot see that TRUMP is the most corrupt president in the history of this country. Then, you know little of history.
If you cannot ascertain for yourself that BILLIONAIRES and rich International Corporations are not representing your interests, or, anyone's but their own, then, you are responsible as much as those that commit the crimes.

RUSSIA is working to undermind this country as it has to underminde NATO, THE UNITED NATIONS, THE EU because it is in their interest as a MAFIA STATE RUN COUNTRY.

We are at war - choose aside. Sitting is out, or, on the sideline because one belives they are above the fray is TREASONOUS.  We all reap the benefits of a free country, some more than others, but, we must not STOP working on improving it.

The MOST EFFECTIVE WAY, at this moment in time, is to KICK REPUBLICANS OUT of every damn office in this land. Then, bring down the hammer on the Guilty, regardless of how rich, how poweful they are, and, throw them into the slammer as the "So called, Righteous Right" are want to do with kids that smoke pot, or, believe differently than they do.

At no time in our history has this country been more vulnerable to collapsing as it is today.

What are you going to say to your kids, your grandkids, "Oh, well, everyone is corrupt!"?

Eat the Press. . ., you are working hard on this one and its refreshing for me to feel in-touch with your spirit! Barring one rude word, "fa_" you are on fire, my man! Tell the truth and shame the Devils!  (Smile.)

You seem to have an affinity for totalitarian communists. Sorry to see that

You seem to have an affinity for totalitarian communists.

An ironic comment for someone who supports Trump & Putin.

"Are you taking to me, Punk?" Becareful, I have seen "Taxi" at least a thousand times, and, once shaved my head and eyebrows.

The line was, if memory serves me right, which it never does, is:

"You seem to have a thing for totalitarian toilets", or, words, not remotely similar to these. 

I did once, she was a communist and I was, well, you know young, horny, etc.

Let me put it this way. I detest liars with a passion. Moreover, in my own life, I only want what is reasonable, practical, and affordable. Additionally, I detest white-washed tombs as in people who accept that other people can be oppressed as long as their whims are being "fed." Moses was raised on the "good side of town" but, God called him into higher service only after he found his 'true north' away from his whimsical life.

BTW, had Jesus Messiah been rigid and uncompromising like 2018 conservatives who boast about wanting it all, he never could have ameliorated a thief to salvation status at his crucifixion.

Pastor, do not bother attempting to browbeat me into submission with libertarian tendencies. I have seen too much as a multiple outcast "delivered," I study too deeply, and reflect on issues too long to buy into invective language or any one side of an issue. Thus, I stand against Trump for justified reasons. He is a compulsive and cool liar. You can cast your lot with this so-called, "modern" Nimrod-tyrant. The operative word being, tyrant. I reserve the right not to associate myself with hardcore deceitful authoritarian figures not even for the short-term.

Finally, perhaps you would care to hang around here long enough to provide some answers to other matters:

• Isn't Russian President Putin a virtual international terrorist who brought down a Malaysian plane (200 plus deaths) in Ukraine?
• Is Russian President Putin actively poisoning citizens (at will) inside and outside of Russian territories? 
• Why do our leader not literally 'quake' with personal apprehension in the company of this villainous Russian?
  
• Does Russian President Putin lie to the world about world-wide elections "king-making" around the globe? (With the U.S. president being the prize that will exceed and allow more of the same.)
• Are you personally confident President DJ© Trump will not "shiv" the Christian-Right 'on the yard,' if it fails to meet his personal expectations after he has solidified his hold over the systems of government with their aid?
  

Surely, you can remember how many times the Christian-Right has considered itself as victorious, only to discover it has been lied to. Well, if Donald Trump is one thing for sure it is a big fat liar!

I despise Putin and have told you that previously

No, Livefreeordie was addressing me. (Smile.)

Putin is a thug and I have no admiration for him or Russia.

im a disabled Veteran because of a Russian attack

i support Trump in the hope he will continue tearing down the Marxist fascist institutions of government.  Certainly he is far more preferable to either the Democrats or the Establishment Republicans.

The Trump administration announced plans for relief for farmers amid concerns about the growing trade dispute’s impact on the U.S. agricultural sector. Above, Don Bloss works on his farm Pawnee City, Neb.

Source: wsj

Unbelievable. I knew we would end up paying for his trade war one way or the other.

And you are correct. Now some people will yell about how trump saved them when he started the problem to begin with.

And now we all pay up.

Now some people will yell about how trump saved them when he started the problem to begin with.

trump supporters won't see that tho

I saw this a little while ago. Trump said in one of his "speechs" that the Democrats had caused 10 billion dollars in trade deficits, that is why he had to put tariffs out there, now he is spending 12 billion to bail out the farmers with farm welfare so, the grand total using his figures is 22 billion dollars lost because of the tariffs. Nice huh?

I oppose all subsidies or bailouts for anyone. I don’t agree with this move by Trump, but it pales to the damage done by Democrats and the Establishment Republicans 

Just Stop It.

President 'Nimrod' Trump has threw the Christian-Right its first Trumpian swerve out on the White House portico.

"Damn it! This thang is golden!" "Lookit, I can buy votes with it!!!"

Spare me, Livefreeordie! President Trump has revealed (to conservatives) what really matters to him, self-preservation. Your commentary is drowned out by "Nimrod" —himself. Now then, conservatives go get your share of the Trump bailout. . . . eat it with a precise count of bites for good digestion and swallow it down. . .

Note: The only question remaining, now that we know Trump's heart: Will "big old flag-waving, patriot" conservatives accept "hand-outs"?

I despise Putin and have told you that previously

Interesting then that you support Putin's puppet.

.

im a disabled Veteran because of a Russian attack

And yet you have no apparent problem with Russia's most recent attack on America.

Did you get your copy of the memo? Here's mine:

Trump invites Putin to visit Washington, White House says

President Trump has asked his White House to extend an invitation to Russian President Vladimir Putin to visit Washington later this year, Press Secretary Sarah Sanders said Thursday.

“In Helsinki, @POTUS agreed to ongoing working level dialogue between the two security council staffs. President Trump asked @Ambjohnbolton to invite President Putin to Washington in the fall and those discussions are already underway,” Sanders tweeted. MORE!

Hmm, I wonder if Sarah Palin got her copy of this one?!

Russia doesn’t threaten my liberties, business, or religious freedoms like the far greater threat from statists in both parties and the criminal enforcers, the FBI, IRS, DOJ, and ATF along with our intelligence agencies.

the left used to share this view until their hatred of Trump was greater than their distrust of those I mentioned 

Russia isn’t going to raise taxes, add more regulations and enlarge the Federal Government. Russia isn’t going to use the FBI, IRS, DOJ, or ATF to control and punish Americans or take away their right to keep and bear arms

Russia isn’t going to murder the unborn or promote sexual immorality in this country.

Russia and Putin are no friends of anyone who loves liberty.  But they aren’t near the danger that internal threats represent 

BTW, Eisenhower,JFK, and Reagan had Soviet leaders here when they were a far greater threat than they are now

Russia doesn’t threaten my liberties, business, or religious freedoms

Yes it does, every time it meddles in an election.

"Russia isn’t going to murder the unborn or promote sexual immorality in this country."

Were any of your unborn murdered? No, then get your nose out of other peoples bodies. You don't get to decide what is or isn't defined as "murder", our legislators do and our courts define those laws. 92% of abortions occur at or before 12 weeks when the zygote is the size of a kidney bean, why are you trying to be the kidney bean police? And why do you care what consulting adults do in their bedrooms? You don't want to be immoral, good for you, but why are you trying to police it? You act as if your unmarried neighbors who live together and might be atheists are scarier to you than a foreign government determined to destroy western democracy and is meddling in our elections. It makes absolutely no sense.

No comparison. You're grabbin' at toothpicks to keep from drowning on this one. It is not the same, but you know this.

You have every right in this country to defend yourself, and your rights and privileges under the U.S. Constitution. You have no right to order the government to structure, develop, and maintain suitable guidelines approved by your private collective alone (AKA. Private group or organization). The mere idea itself is offensive.

President DJ© Trump is a compulsive, concentrated, and deliberate liar to everybody, that along makes him unrelatable to by millions upon millions more than ever. Couple his lies with the disastrous paling around with terrorists who explodes a plane with hundreds of people in its 'tube' out of the sky, feed a family member to ravenous slavering dogs, orders the smearing of hazardous chemicals on the face of a living brother ending his life in a tortured manner, riggers of domestic and foreign elections around the globe, keepers of political prisoners, abusers of free press, and autocrats who believe the "divine right of kings and the divine right of government control" is theirs to wield for a lifetime!

Really Livefreeordie? What is there to love about Trump and his pals?

We have 300 plus million people in this country. Are you aware that in Russia significant monies and institutions go to the President - "The King" and is rationed out accordingly? Today's Russian "King" is a KGB agent! People are poisoned and shot on his orders. We have these matters explained to us through intelligence. Why do you hate our government so much?

Are you having any babies—all the babies you intend to? Are you sleeping with the 'wrong crowd'? Then, stop that!

What is it to you or me? The only 'territory' you must have complete faith 'travels' through is your own body! I have control over my urges, what about you?

Get out of other people's private lives. Surely, God can save whosoever God wills. After all, God saved you and me, and it was easy for God!

The "internal threat" du jour is this:

President DJ© Trump is lying to the citizens of this country everyday, is "snatching" systems and experts out of position every day, and you support this because you imagine that 300 plus million people from diverse cultures backgrounds can revert to being individuals feasting on this land at will. 

My brother, some conservatives are men and women born out of step with the times they occupy.

Like minds, I reckon on this one. Livefreeordie needs to be reminded that God will make a way somehow for all to know God and consider their ways accordingly at God's appointed time. Livefreeordie, needs to plant and water, and then take his ease: Let God give the increase.

I went there with you, DP! I hope you don't mind it this time. (Smile.)

I'm not DP, but I love when you make comments like that. It's a reminder that there are Christians who walk the walk every day. (((calbab)))

Thank you, TG! Your words are uplifting to me, as I share with my faithful brethren. Our faith journey is so much more a travel in resting. Rest is the beauty of faith. For what Jesus-Messiah actually wished for us to demonstrate to the surrounding world is simply what kind of love God has stored up for those who love God.

If we 'say' we have God's Spirit within us, then our spirit no longer struggles with the world. We are in the world, but not of it, in a sense. Our 'battles' ends. We began to trust (have faith) in God. CAUTION: I am going biblical for a tiny bit to enhance my meaning of "resting" in God:

Hebrews 4:¹⁰ For the one who has entered God’s rest has also rested from his own works, as God did from his. ¹¹ Therefore, let us do our best to enter that rest; so that no one will fall short because of the same kind of disobedience [of Israel in the desert].

¹² See, the Word of God is alive! It is at work and is sharper than any double-edged sword — it cuts right through to where soul meets spirit and joints meet marrow, and it is quick to judge the inner reflections and attitudes of the heart. ¹³ Before God, nothing created is hidden, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of him to whom we must render an account.

When a man or woman enters into the rest of God, war against and with mankind is ended. We rest in an understanding that as God delivered us, God can do so for others. All of this 'shaking of the fist' and 'pulling down strong towers built by others' is old-fashioned and out of step with the newness of winning hearts and minds through evidencing a unique love of Spirit. It is a slower process mind you, but surely God knows this—for method is God's.

Peace, my sister.

I am 76.7 years old, smoke weed Fer me athletic feet and forget stup mostly. So I apologize if I did not write it down, but, I am indebted to you for the clarification.

Are you aware that Trump has a "bromance with Putin"?

Entering God’s rest is to trust in the finished work of the cross for your salvation. It has nothing to do with my posts

nor does the passage about the sword of the Spirit

you always seem to ignore the commandment of Jesus as most “liberal Christians” are fond of avoiding

Christians are commanded to call all people to repent. Not doing so is to rebel against Jesus and place yourself outside of His kingdom

“From that time Jesus began to preach and to say, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.”  Matthew 4:17

I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish.  Luke 13:3

Then He said to them, “Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to risefn from the dead the third day, 47 and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 And you are witnesses of these things.  Luke 24:46-48

Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Men and brethren, what shall we do?”

Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.  For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”  Acts 2:37-39

“Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord,  Acts 3:19

“Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent,  Acts 17:30

Well, "Live Free On the Government Tit, As I Do, I, Too":

I, also, am a disabled Vet.

I suffered hearing loss from an unpleasant, and unsolicited attack  by those mean North Vietnamese Counter-Intelligence Unit, when they unexpected, and, unannounced, "blew up" the officers barracks, when I was stationed in Vietnam in 1965 and 1966, assigned to an Army Intelligence Unit, the 8th RRU, in Phu Bai.

I would happily share my own war stories with you. So many 'Mericans, jest tell me to "Fucazy Off", when I attempt to regally them with my glorious, heroic adventure as an E-5 Office Clerk, assigned to the Base Commander's Office.

Perhaps, you heard of us?  During the "Tet Offensive" our unit was overun by the Viet Cong in Black PJs, so gousch, because we were moslyt "sissified" egghead techicies that had no clue which end of our M16s were the fighting end, and, which ones was for sucking on.

Leftist nonsense

Well, I'll be dumb founded, that is another thing that we have in common. I, too, am a preacher. I got my license back in 1969, from the Universal Church of Life for the principle fee of ONLY $25 dollars cash, and, have been preaching and performing marriages for decades.

I, too, am a student of the Bible and have my very own Church, "The Church of the How Big Is Your Wallet - How Small Is Your Brain", located in Mildew, Ohio, where there are NO JOBS, no even BLOW JOBS, since the Re-Puritans came to power and closed down our main factory, the CORK SACKING FACTORY.

Back in the day, everyone is town was a "Cork Sacker", except Sodom Gormader, our Evangeligal, Born Upside Down, Talking-In-Tongues Jewish preacher, who we later Hung, when the "food shortage" got so bad.

Leftis none sense, you mean my getting compensation from the Army Fer me war injuries, or, the fact that I, too, call Talk-In-Tongues, although GOD SPEAKS directly to me in English.

I am on my way out to the store, but when I return I will give you my "ample" reply. Brother Pastor, then you may see that I have considered all these things. (Smile.)

I have degrees in both theology and history

God doesn’t speak in tongues. It’s a gift to believers

Trump's relief for FARMERS is to shift the damage he caused to them with his ONE MAN TARRIFF WAR by shifting it to all TAX PAYERS by shelling out $12 BILLION DOLLARS to America's Farmer before the Mid-Term ELECTION, Nov.6th.

Trump is "Buying VOTE in plain site, with federal tax payers dollars".

Do you think this is a legal, ethical or wise thing to do?

Degrees from where?

I have a Bachelor Degree from Central State University, Wilberforce, Ohio

My Divinity Degree from the Universal Life Church, 

And my Third Degree from countless "Deportables" who have spent sixty years of my life trying to beat me over the head with their little understood Bible, and 25 years kicking everyone's ass that disagrees with them about the need to slaughter millions of innocent people in unnecessary War, perpetuated by the Industrial Arms Complex, greedy bastards like the Koch Roach Brothers, the Bushes, and others.

Degrees do not make folks educated, or, smart, they often get in the way. A lot depends on whence their wisdom came. Is it from the Devil's who whispers nightly into their ears, or, from GOD, the universe, who many cannot or will not hear?

No, God Speaks in Miracles, i n deeds, in peoples' hearts, and, in my case directly into My Mind.

Speaking in Tongues is the equalilent to the Catholic Churches' Popes and religious leaders, threw out the the Dark Ages, who spoke in Latin, wrote in Latin and held their services in Latin.

It put the power  of the church in the hand of the senior leaders of the church, and forced the people to bend down to them. It has nothing to do with God, only man's insatiable greed.

Speaking is Tongue is a Con, like Donald J. Trump, who adherents to this "Nonsense" believe that GOD appoint Trump President.  Why do we want our time voting, if, their God has that power and my God doesn't?

Sorry, Live Free & Die Like Me, seems only interest in debating with you. I have addressed numerous statements to him, but, he, replies I suspect to you and not to my rebukes.

The so called “bromance” with Putin.

History degree, California State University at Fullerton 

Theology, Life Bible College, Los Angeles (my grandparents were also graduates there in 1927)

I have pastored 4 churches and served as a missionary in South Africa, Uganda, Taiwan, and the Philippines 

for over 25 years with a missionary organization where we feed the hungry, shelter the homeless, care for illegals, work on over 100 Native American Reservations, ship emergency relief nationally and globally

i have helped put in wells in Africa, build schools, and we provide training in animal husbandry, agriculture, personal hygiene, water purification, basic nutrition and more

“Repent therefore and be converted.

The whole of your comment can be summed up in this quote. I do not disagree with the quote. "Commanding," that is, preaching the Gospel is not causing all this 'heartburn' in this country. Taking it upon your specific "community of faith" to corral unbelievers into service of the God they do not plan on knowing is deleterious to all involved, and adds no advantage to said realm.

Were you to get what you desire- the "unrepentant" dwelling in the midst of your service -it could be tantamount to Sara compelling Abraham to bring Hagar into his house. It simply can not work out! Hagar and Ismael were abandoned and had to go there own way. I am confident you know this story.

We are free to share all the good the Lord provides in us with others (outsiders), who see our example of Christ-like living and ask what is this thing we have; we speak of?

But THIS: "By any means necessary" grouping of intensive and prolonged tactics and strategics meant to 'box' the outside world into God's service can never-ever meet our Spiritual commission, in my opinion.

Ultimately, God is the overseer who owns the field and its servants. Rest, and example love. "Plant," "water," and trust (have faith in God) to save to the uttermost!

NOTE: In accordance with a right example, brother, if you want to discuss this in-depth we should communicate together (private note) or on an article in the Religion and Ethics category. (Just let me know.) I choose not to overrun our host article with any far-flung bible discussion without securing the author's expressed permission. (Smile.)

repent

I repented 56 years ago

I won’t belabor but you cannot “corral”, “box”, or “by any means necessary” bring people into the kingdom of God.

it is an act of free will and desire for acceptance by God

So why is the Christian-Right supporting prime liar President Donald J. Trump rather than standing up for the men and women of the world's preeminent intelligence services: our intelligence agences?

Can you clarify for me, what other intelligence services does President Trump derive intel from, if not agencies whose sole purpose is to inform this country's leaders? Who else?

And, for that matter, does the Christian-Right have access to intelligence apart from our intel agencies? Please elaborate.

They need to discredit them in order to fulfill what they want to get done.

Pompeo said today that basically world leaders including our own president should be able to have private talks that we can never know about.

Basically that our leaders should be able to have talks and say and do whatever they want and we do not need to know about it.

Then right after, they say that people should not be able to look into it. Therefor they have to discredit an agency that might take a look at what is going on.

Sorry to take so long to get to this, Eat'!

Trump is being conciliatory to the farmers who he will be 'courtin' close-up in a matter of weeks. Iroiny is these folks do not wish to encourage President Trump's missteps by accepting excessive amounts of government funding. They simply need the Trump Administration to step out of their way!

The real test of one's self-righteous principle comes when MONEY is on the TABLE!  Suddenly the Righteous fall all over themselves reversing their life longs beliefs.

Will any of them refuse TRUMP's obvious bribe on principle? Will they have to be "drugged tested"?

Pompeii was selected to burn down the country's intelligence agency by what President.  Oh, so sorry, I meant Pompeo, my bad.

The difficulty with Pompeii explosive remarks is that Trump is a "proven pathological LIAR who no one can believe, not even Trump. Trump is a RUSSIAN OPERATIVE, indebted to Mother Russia since the late 1980's.

The Trump Organization received over a $1 Billion dollars from a Russian owned American firm. TRumps has sold a number of condos to the Russian Mafia. His daughter is friends with many of the daughters of Russia Oligarchs.

In Russian, Putin, as Head of State controls the government, businesses, and State. Putin is a know International Thug who has been roundly condemned by the United Nations, NATO, the EU, and the United Kingdom. These are all of the institutions that Putin and Russia are working to weaken, discredit and or collapse.

Trump is doing just that.

A fundamental question is, Where is the utter outrage?! 

Look at Trump's actions! His actions give away all his secrets. Words are a game for him. Our leader held personal business meetings to better his relationship and self-interests with the leaders of to despotic nations, and. . . then, he came out to the cameras to hold 'regular' meetings.

Questions:

1. Why is it of any interest to Donald Trump to have a (meaningful) personal relationship with Kim Jung Un and Vladimir Putin?
2. Do the citizens of this country for whom the 'talks' were supposedly held, see any value in our president having a personal trust relationship with Chairman Un and President Putin?

Again: Where is the utter outrage?! There ought to be outrage in the media, in the public marketplace, and in the White House Press Corps. (For the Press Corps has been cheated out of two important narratives and they should not let it stand another day longer!!!

Until The media and the White House Press Corps find out and deliver to the public "the message" of what was talked about in President Trump's two private meetings with other world leaders, both extremely dangerous men, your days are incomplete!

Try again, it didn't take the first time.

This is interesting. Many people are dumb-founded when 'trapped' by a set of actions, a principle 'trap.' These farmers were simply living and plying their trade everyday, with an understandable implication that the slogan: "Make America Great Again" was a message about less government intervention in their private business enterprises. Ironically, the government is "presenting" these good men and women a chance to recoup a set of financial losses, with certain apprehension on their part of long paperwork and "strings attached." What can they do?

1. The Trump Administration is factually responsible for these current and future financial losses.
2. There are loan payments (of various types) which have to be kept up-to-date.
3. Farmers "tittering on the brink" need to sale their goods. What happens when trade is handicapped?
4. At the end of the day, can one farmer afford his or her competitor accepting 'bail-outs' getting better positioned for next year?

Hard choices!

The same intelligence services that assassinated JFK and MLK?

the same intelligence agencies that the left despised until Trump was elected?

im consistent in opposing them for over 50 years

You trying to make God a liar won’t work

And now, I can add government intelligence agencies to your list of "dislikes."

Listen, my brother, our central government is not going away. Better chance of us firing a rocket tomorrow with a mission to blow out the sun! And bet this, you really do not want to live through the internal anarchies of 50 states acting totally independent of one another. It is a nice theory to toy around with. . ."What if we could.  ..  ." —maybe. In practice: You could only be a citizen of one state at a time. I may be you are a citizen of one state in your mind already?

"??"

I'm only asking! I have no (other) way of knowing anything beyond what you share with this group.

Are we good now?

What damage do you speak of, sir?  The constant lying? The billion-dollar backwater deals that Trump and Family are intimately involved in, in every public action they take.

Are you speaking of the outstretched hand to Putin, Russia, and dictators the world over? Or, are you referring to the blending of a backwoods, primitive, Evil-genital Fake Religion and government?

You completely misrepresented what it means to be a Republic of states.

it appears they stopped teaching civics when you went to school. Sadly most Americans are ignorant of the Constitution and US history

I am not desperate enough to attack you. I am actually trying to discuss these matters with you. So please, give me the 'down and dirty" version of what you wish me to know about the Constitution and this republic. I'm sure I would love to read it. Reading (a short version) is what I do!

The presidents that you reference had extensive government backgrounds, Eisenhower and JFK, were veterans, Reagan has been elected to the Governorship of California twice.

Trump, on the other hand, has no government experience, is woefully ignorant of the Constitution, the Separation of Powers, or, anything outside his box of Making Money By Deception.

Trump received a BILLION DOLLARS from a Russian Oligarch to bail out his company from financial collapse. He has a track record of selling his NY Condos to Russian Mafioso. Six were sold at one time to one Russian gangster and the State of New York ruled it a "Money Laundering Crime". His company was fine and told not to do it again.

Trump is actively doing business deals for his company, Trump Organization, and family member, which have been reported in every major news outlet in the world, except Fox TV Network FAKE News.

There is no equivocating Trump with other duly elected presidents. Trump was helped by Russia.

I noticed in your post, LFOD, that you criticized the Democrats, Liberals, even, Republicans, but, Trump's criminal activity and a long history of corruption seems to go unnoticed by your Talking-In-Tongue Spiritual knowledge!

Could it be that you are TALKING-IN-TONGUES to the wrong power, Satan, and, that you, in all of your tax preparing, insurance selling, pastoring time I been deceived by the Devil?

Yes, they will accept handouts for themselves while denying them for the shut-ins. Conservatives are cold, hard-headed, fake Christians.

Yes, they will accept handouts for themselves while denying them for the shut-ins. Conservatives are cold, hard-headed, fake Christians.

I beg to differ with so brilliant of a political theorist, as yourself, but, it was not Liberals, Democrats, Independents, or, Gays, who installed the Orange Buffoon n the Whitehouse. He was invited to the "Dance by the Republicans" with help from the Russians.

Russia is a RIGHT WING, CONSERVATIVE BRANCH, now, of the GOP (Government of Putin).

"This is an invasion"

How many times is that now ? 

I can't wait for 2.0 to be set in concrete. 

Well, there is no "Russian INVASION". They are here! Trump brought them through the front door.

Didn't know Russia was here. "Wolverines" time ?

Didn't know Russia was here. "Wolverines" time ?

Take a look at who's in the White House, there be Russians there.

It is Me :  Yes, it is an I N V A S I O N! 

What did you think Russia was trying to do when he broke into the DNC, into our Electric Grids, the IRS, our, voting registrations list in several state, or, donated $45 Million to the NRA to funnel along to Republicans in Congress, spent $1.2 million of disrupting Facebood blogs, held fake Trump Ralies, and, officially order 17 Top Randing Military Officers to execute this invasion into our political process to help one candidate?

Russia has been disrupting Democratic elected government since the 50's. Generally, it was a Tit for Tat operation, but, now they are lead in the Cyber War Attacks and our own COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF, despiste with our and Europe's Intelligence Agencies are say is "Yes, Russia attack, is attacking and will continue to disrupt the next election, which is in less than 105 days, because REPUBLICANS have REFUSED TO DO ANYTHING!

Did you think this was simply country intelligence agencies "geeks"  having fun, pulling Inter-Country Pranks on each other to survive the boredom of espionage?

" Russia has been disrupting Democratic elected government since the 50's ." 

So we've been waiting to make a big ol' stink about it because someone was finally elected into office that some truly hate ? 

I guess some of the other presidents were just "Disliked" a little, so no stink needed ? 

It is Me, as we surely know there are shades and degrees in every aspect of life. And so, it is with Russian spying and electronic hacking. We do not have to put up with any of that! Anymore than we have to accept President DJ© Trump is a compulsive, deliberate liar. Incidentally, do you mind sharing with us: How many lies do you personally have to hear from a president you support before you decide you "hate" liars? 

1. One?
2. Five?
3. Six?
4. Ten?
5. "X" number of lies are simply 'frosting' for Presidents.

Curious.

Using your standard I would hate every president

Well, that was not an available choice. FAIL.

It appears you do, except Trump, the most corrupt POS to every illegally occupy that office.

It appears you do, except Trump, the most corrupt POS to every illegally occupy that office.

In the American Revolution wars were fought formally, trained soldiers in full regala marching toward each others to their deaths.

Washington, Nathan Hale and many other changed that suicidal, so-called proper way to solve world wide dispute.

There was a time when dueling was considered proper, also. Debating with those that would commit treason, aide and abet a Traitor, lock babies up, and kids in gage, lie continually, take billions from China, and other foreign government do not deserved to be treated as equals, as worthy philosophical  opponents. They deserve to be treated like the most dangerous criminals in the world.

Do you think you are fooling anyone with your "there are bad actors on both sides" marlarky.  Come out of your Trump Supporter Closet and get down in the Swamp. Embrace your inherent hate of others, your self-center, whites only sense of superioity.

Only coward lurk in the shadows.

Bring it on

Even in prison Trump needs a golf cart to get around.

Good point, Shrek, BTW, I love your movies. Are you doing any this season?

I've never seen the movie, but Skrekk is a dead cat not a cartoon character.

So, you are a businessman who received the gift of the tongues from Whom?

From the Holy Spirit in 1962 in my grandfather’s church. I had never listened as a teenager to my grandfather preaching since my mind was focused on the girls in the church.

but when I found myself running forward to the altar and falling on the ground asking Jesus to forgive me and to give me His gift of salvation, I began to speak in tongues. 

I have over the years in my ministry, prophecies in tongues, prayed in tongues and song spiritual songs in tongues. The Holy Spirit has on occasion given me different tongues as I was praying for people

as Paul said “I wish that you all speak in tongues”

How rude!

As I understand it, livefreeordie has stated that in 1962 he -to his own surprise- was able to speak in tongues.   What does that mean?   Does it mean that he extemporaneously became fluent in one or more languages that he did not know a moment earlier?

Then on this:

The Holy Spirit has on occasion given me different tongues as I was praying for people

Does this mean that on occasion livefreeordie extemporaneously acquired fluency in even more languages?

What is your interpretation of his words?   What do you take him to be saying?

As I understand it, livefreeordie

E.A Interesting who and what IS the Topic!

LL.  Trump is an evil lunatic, criminal traitor who is owned by Putin, that's the issue, EA, I hope this helps!

The author established a sub-topic of speaking in tongues in his post @12.   The author determines what is and what is not on topic in his article.   Ergo, speaking in tongues is topical in this article.

livefreeordie personalized this topic to himself in his post @12.1.   This established a thread on the sub-topic of liverfreeordie's ability to speak in tongues.   Posts number 12.1.x are thus logically working within the topical guidelines of the author.

livefreeordie personalized

E.A  so now Attacking the Author of that Thread is OK?

Seeing who the Voters are on the Up, shows that the " wolf pack " is alive and well!

E.A  so now Attacking the Author of that Thread is OK?

You need to read more carefully.   That is an entirely different question.   My answer was about what is topical.

You need to read more carefully.   That is an entirely different question.   My answer was about what is topical.

E.A Twisting Much?

Meta is almost always off topic.   Do you have any comments on speaking in tongues?

Meta is almost always off topic.   Do you have any comments on speaking in tongues?

E.A If I do, it will not be with YOU, nor would it be an ATTACK on a member!

 Nice to see you twisting an attack on a member as  " Meta "  

Seeing who the Voters are on the Up, shows that the " wolf pack " is alive and well!

who or what is this "wolf pack" that you are referring to ?

who or what is this "wolf pack"

E.A take the time and do some research, you might be interested to see that your name might be in it ;-)

take the time and do some research, you might be interested to see that your name might be in it

interesting... so basically you are stating that people who support comments of people you don't like nor agree with are the " wolf pack " - wonderful inherent bias you have going on there , yet want to accuse others of "twisting" things...       

EA,

I just read this thread, and you went after Tig for a question he posed to LFOD and then didn't let up, using just a part of the question to twist its meaning. LFOD is quite capable of speaking for himself. Please do not do this again. 

Hi TiG! Scripturally-speaking, there are two types of biblical tongues: 1. Speaking to God (Praying in the Spirit), and 2. Speaking in another language (foreign to one's own). I will not take time to provide scriptural references. (I do have them, nevertheless.)

Because Pastor is a leader in our faith-I accept his claim, and for all those years he states (above) he has served in the mission "fields," I imagine he has experienced some dynamic "movements" equal to the sights and sounds he has deeply involved himself in.

Beyond this, wisdom informs me not to tread on another man or woman's personal journal in faith. (Smile.)

Beyond this, wisdom informs me not to tread on another man or woman's personal journal in faith.

Understood.

2. Speaking in another language 

But I was asking for your interpretation on this aspect (quoted).   Do you interpret his words to mean that he literally gained extemporaneous fluency in a new language?   In your opinion, is this a common belief ... do most Christians believe this actually happens?